People seem surprised that Herbert did draw inspiration from real life events. Dune is losely based on Russian imperialism in the Muslim Caucasus region. Which is also a region rich in oil deposits. This isn't Herbert seeing the future as much as history repeating.
Possibly because history tends to repeat itself. Especially in case of US starting conflicts there. Could easily see the Operation Ajax being what he based the book on.
Well the red flags have always been there from the beginning but the people chose to look the other way, considering the genocide of Native Americans had been a policy since the beginning.
The degree to which the O&G industry has co-opted the Republican Party cannot be understated. This only really took root under Ford, when guys like Bush and Cheney were promoted into the upper echelons of the political leadership while in the midst of converting historically Dixiecrat Gulf Coast states to the Republican Party.
Democrats were late to the party, having more heavily aligned with the NY-based Finance Sector and CA-based global shipping magnets. It's been the outsized demand for energy in Silicon Valley that has really collapsed the Green-ish Democrats into O&G by way of Obama/Trump/Biden Era rapidly escalating demands for electricity. And even then, Dems are consistently in favor of generic economic growth while Republicans are hyper-fixated on O&G growth exclusively.
The Emperor pitted two historic rival houses against one another, with the expectation that they'd annihilate themselves and leave room for upstarts to take their place. The Bene Jesuits had seen this cycle play out before and knew it would preserve the Emperor's power at the expense of the advancement of the society as a whole. So, they backchanneled a breeding program between Atreides and Harkonen - on the Atreides side via Lady Jessica and Duke Leto, on the Harkonen side between Feyd-Rautha and Margot Fenring - to yield the prophesied optimal off-spring, the Kwisatz Hadarach.
But all of this ran afoul of a third agency, the Planetologists of Dune, who believed the planet's perpetual condition of spice harvest was undermining what could be a new kind of Eden for domestic development and liberation. Their efforts to irrigate Arakus at the expense of the global galactic trade (catalyzed by Lady Jessica's unlicensed male hier) was what ultimately undermined both the Emperor's political schemes and the Bene Jesuits' breeding program.
In the end, the primary antagonists of the Dune series are the environmentalists, fighting a guerrilla war against a Galactic Oil & Gas Industry.
Eh, not so much about history repeating itself or seeing the future. These things tend to happen when you have dumb cretins in power, that don't learn from history. It's dead simple to avoid a mistake if you read a book and someone else has made it and with the power of hindsight you have the solution now. But some people are even too dumb for that. Enter the world of Donald Trump.
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Echinoderm@aussie.zone · 115 pts · 79d
People seem surprised that Herbert did draw inspiration from real life events. Dune is losely based on Russian imperialism in the Muslim Caucasus region. Which is also a region rich in oil deposits. This isn't Herbert seeing the future as much as history repeating.
https://lareviewofbooks.org/article/the-secret-history-of-dune is an interesting read.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 16 pts · 78d
I mean, the savior in the story is literally called the Mahdi, which is also the savior in Shia Islam.
lastweakness@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 78d
Sunni Islam as well
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 78d
https://youtu.be/kHHitXxH-us
lastweakness@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d
Very funny scene, but honestly not relevant
Napster153@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 78d
The Mahdi is a universally accepted prophesy, and one many pretenders have attempted.
Most are on par with the Leader of the Boxer Rebellion on that they never read the details behind said prophecy.
ICastFist@programming.dev · -1 pts · 77d
The Russian leaders weren't a bunch of bloated pedophiles tho, were they?
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 82 pts · 79d
I'm not saying you have to be on drugs to imagine space sex ninjas on cocaine planet, but I am saying something was on.
Anivia@feddit.org · 11 pts · 79d
Just your average dream when taking melatonin
CheesyFox@lemmy.sdf.org · 1 pts · 75d
those weren't melatonin gummies bro
trashboypro@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 46 pts · 79d
Herbert was on spice when he was writing Dune in 1965 because how else he could see the future of the USA?
Jiggs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 78d
Possibly because history tends to repeat itself. Especially in case of US starting conflicts there. Could easily see the Operation Ajax being what he based the book on.
Flower@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 78d
Same with cyberpunk lore. Often that reads like current events, but in the end it's extrapolation of events back then mixed with knowledge of history.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 78d
Well the red flags have always been there from the beginning but the people chose to look the other way, considering the genocide of Native Americans had been a policy since the beginning.
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 78d
Look at its past.
Dzheyk@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 79d
This made me giggle in the best way possible
Etterra@discuss.online · 35 pts · 79d
Is there a drug that gives you visions of the future?
JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 27 pts · 79d
Snorting crude oil
Luisp@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 78d
Peyote
dontbelievethis@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 78d
Raw milk.
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 79d
Whatever drugs he was on, I want some. Just like one or two doses. So I can forget about all this bullshit for a little while. 😮💨
Catoblepas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 79d
Listen, there may be a drug at the gas station called spice, but do NOT smoke it!
Akasazh@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 78d
I prefer my spice vintage:
Remember_the_tooth@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 79d
Will it help you forget or will it make you see every potential outcome?
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 79d
We can resurrect this pile of shit
Nonconfrontational@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 78d
Almost like America has been doing this for decades, regardless of which of the 2 parties are in power.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 77d
The degree to which the O&G industry has co-opted the Republican Party cannot be understated. This only really took root under Ford, when guys like Bush and Cheney were promoted into the upper echelons of the political leadership while in the midst of converting historically Dixiecrat Gulf Coast states to the Republican Party.
Democrats were late to the party, having more heavily aligned with the NY-based Finance Sector and CA-based global shipping magnets. It's been the outsized demand for energy in Silicon Valley that has really collapsed the Green-ish Democrats into O&G by way of Obama/Trump/Biden Era rapidly escalating demands for electricity. And even then, Dems are consistently in favor of generic economic growth while Republicans are hyper-fixated on O&G growth exclusively.
gh0stb4tz@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 79d
It’s well known that shrooms inspired him when he wrote the Dune series.
Chaunticleer@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 79d
It was not known to me but based just on the description of melange and how Paul saw reality after taking it, it should have been obvious
whoisearth@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 78d
Keeping with the story, if only Iran had a white savior to come and free them! /s
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 79d
Frank Herbert and Philip K. Dick were high as fuck and they were creative but very fucking stupid
silver@das-eck.haus · 7 pts · 79d
Frank was on that Algerian cinnamon
The_Wumpus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 78d
The spice must flow
unemployedclaquer@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 79d
Corn. Beans. Why are hu-mans so tedious.
Gates9@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 78d
Harkonnen was only appointed to manage a war, and to decapitate the only threat to the imperial throne.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 77d
The Emperor pitted two historic rival houses against one another, with the expectation that they'd annihilate themselves and leave room for upstarts to take their place. The Bene Jesuits had seen this cycle play out before and knew it would preserve the Emperor's power at the expense of the advancement of the society as a whole. So, they backchanneled a breeding program between Atreides and Harkonen - on the Atreides side via Lady Jessica and Duke Leto, on the Harkonen side between Feyd-Rautha and Margot Fenring - to yield the prophesied optimal off-spring, the Kwisatz Hadarach.
But all of this ran afoul of a third agency, the Planetologists of Dune, who believed the planet's perpetual condition of spice harvest was undermining what could be a new kind of Eden for domestic development and liberation. Their efforts to irrigate Arakus at the expense of the global galactic trade (catalyzed by Lady Jessica's unlicensed male hier) was what ultimately undermined both the Emperor's political schemes and the Bene Jesuits' breeding program.
In the end, the primary antagonists of the Dune series are the environmentalists, fighting a guerrilla war against a Galactic Oil & Gas Industry.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 3 pts · 77d
Bene Jesuit, now I can't help but think all those ladies were secretly the catholic church all along 🤣
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 77d
Napster153@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 78d
Just like in real life!
Akamun@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 77d
This has happened a lot in history. But things change and what used to work just fail. He was unable to adapt quickly.
While his opponent remade themselves every time.
bender223@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 77d
bro, thats just trump without his makeup and hair 😛
spacegoat@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 78d
How big is his dick, canonically
binux@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 78d
He’s got chode energy for sure
ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 78d
Eh, not so much about history repeating itself or seeing the future. These things tend to happen when you have dumb cretins in power, that don't learn from history. It's dead simple to avoid a mistake if you read a book and someone else has made it and with the power of hindsight you have the solution now. But some people are even too dumb for that. Enter the world of Donald Trump.