More like: 13 soon-to-be Republicans.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/13-moderate-democrats-reject-socialism-174443764.html
13 moderate democrats sign the "Promise to America" pledge to fight the democratic socialists
More like: 13 soon-to-be Republicans.
https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/13-moderate-democrats-reject-socialism-174443764.html
84 Comments
awmwrites@lemmy.cafe · 79 pts · 58d
"Vote blue no matter who!"
People are voting for blue candidates who promise to do good things and not do bad things.
"Over my dead body they are!"
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 58 pts · 58d
There’s always a part of that phrase that gets left out
“Vote blue no matter who…. during the general election”
Prior to that. Primary the hell out of anyone that isn’t progressive. Change the party from the bottom up. And guess what, you’re starting to see that actually happen and it scares the establishment. Let’s keep it going.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 21 pts · 58d
That’s actually started in a way.
Hilarious that candidates are being endorsed by the mayor of New York.
GraniteM@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 57d
New York City has a population greater than all but twelve states. It's like if the governor of Virginia were a wildly popular national figure and started endorsing primary candidates.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 9 pts · 57d
Yeah that makes it make sense.
Anyway, it’s good, because the bloke stands for something decent and it is reps like him who will pull the country out of its problems if that’s possible.
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 58d
Adam Gray won his June 2nd primary, running against a more progressive Democratic challenger but also two Republicans in a California Jungle Primary. A Republican finished second and will be his opponent in November. The progressive finished 4th.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 58d
Ok? So does that mean you’re going to vote for the Republican since the progressive candidate lost?
Mouselemming@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 58d
Oh it's not my district. I'm just pointing out that a lot of Democrats and Independents in this conservative district probably chose the Moderate Democrat because he had a chance, and they didn't want to wind up with 2 Republicans in the final.
Maeve@kbin.earth · 3 pts · 57d
Rotating villains
WraithGear@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 58d
that saying is basically admitting that they are right and you will fold when the cards are on the table? why take you seriously then?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 58d
I know this is a hot take, but these are mostly in red states. Also, yesterday it was 15, so progress?
https://www.thepromisetoamerica.com/signatories
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 38d
So tired of the constant gaslighting from both the centrists and fascists. I get downvoted into hell for mentioning that AOCs creds are questionable if she’s trying to wheel and deal with Hakeem Jeffries.
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 66 pts · 58d
Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-NY) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Adam Gray (D-CA) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ)
Rep. Susie Lee (D-NV)
Rep. Don Davis (D-NC)
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez Jr. (D-TX)
Rep. Laura Gillen (D-NY)
Rep. Janelle Bynum (D-OR)
Rep. Kristin McDonald Rivet (D-MI)
Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)
Jessica Killin (candidate)
Marlene Galán Woods (candidate)
Bobby Pulido (candidate)
EntheoNaut@lemmy.ml · 51 pts · 58d
Primary hit list. They all need to go.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 37 pts · 58d
Every single one of them supports big corporations over people
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 20 pts · 58d
Fuck all of them. I hope they all get primaried to hell.
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 58d
Bynum has been just a parade of milquetoast disappointment for OR5. I'm kind of surprised Gluesenkamp-Perez isn't on the list, maybe she's too conservative to count as a 'moderate dem'
sarcasticsunrise@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 58d
Get got, Gottheimer. What a shithead
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 58d
Yeah, not at all surprised to see him on the list tbh.
He's consistently on the wrong side of history whenever an opportunity presents itself.
🤮🤮🤮
orlyowl@piefed.ca · 53 pts · 58d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 45 pts · 57d
Here are the MAGA DINOS that just sacrificed their careers. Vote against them at every opportunity.
Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-NY) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Adam Gray (D-CA) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ)
Rep. Susie Lee (D-NV)
Rep. Don Davis (D-NC)
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez Jr. (D-TX)
Rep. Laura Gillen (D-NY)
Rep. Janelle Bynum (D-OR)
Rep. Kristin McDonald Rivet (D-MI)
Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)
Jessica Killin (candidate)
Marlene Galán Woods (candidate)
Bobby Pulido (candidate)
Those last three shouldn't win. Don't vote MAGA, vote 3rd party. If any of the rest survive their primary or elections, and the Dems take the majority, they should be shunned, and prohibited from holding any positions of authority on committees or anything else. Their careers are over.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 57d
Small correction: The Democratic Socialists are the "DINOs".
These listed are actual party-line Democrats.
anhydrous@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
26 palms that now have more money than most of those reading this thread
peripheralneuropathy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
The narrative framing is coordinated now that democrats "allowed" fascism by not controlling their opposition party's secret agent spy democrats??? ...just like how democrats were the party fighting FOR slaves in the civil war because of cross party corrupting co-option turn-coating exactly like this but just the reverse now? Cool cool.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 57d
Unfortunately, unless you can get enough people on board that surpasses the number of MAGA, a vote for 3rd party might as well be a vote for MAGA. I don't see how it'd end any different compared to the 1912 Presidential Election. I could be wrong though, maybe Trump has pissed off enough people to make 3rd party viable
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 57d
I’ve been hearing that argument for a handful of decades and the Democrats still haven’t changed. When do we say enough is enough and I won’t keep kicking the football Lucy is holding for me?
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 57d
Exactly we've been hearing that for 40 years now at least and every election cycle dems move farther right right behind the republicans.
timbuck2themoon@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 57d
If you think that's true you're seriously not paying attention at all.
Compare a 1990 dem to now and tell me theyre right of them.
There's plenty to criticize of the dems but let's not be foolish.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 56d
Just because the argument has been repeated many times that doesn't make it any less true. I do think that Democrats who take advantage of the fact that we have a 2 party system is a problem, but I think we fix that by advocating for ranked choice voting. Otherwise, a third party winning in a major election is a pipe dream. If they truly wanted to build a presence, they should be trying to win more minor elections to build themselves up rather than going for a hail mary for a Senate seat or as the president. Luckily, there are only few Democrats right now that I'd consider to be just Republicans painted blue. In the niche cases where that's true, then maybe consider voting third party
Lyrl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 57d
I hope ranked choice voting continues to make inroads in the US. Massachusetts and Alaska now have it for many statewide elections, and as more people are exposed to it hopefully the part of the opposition that is rooted in unfamiliarity will recede.
Being able to express a first choice for a third party, and then rank a second choice of the lesser evil of the major parties and have it count has the potential to reshape campaigning and voting behavior.
pirate2377@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 56d
Yeah, it's the only way we are going to keep the 2 major political parties in the united states in check and we won't be forced to vote blue no matter who
DevDave@piefed.social · 35 pts · 58d
Bill Clinton named an airport after Ronald Reagan, the guy who fired something like 10,000 FAA air traffic controllers for wanting to strike.
Biden told the rail road engineers who were almost literally begging to be treated like human beings they couldn't strike, here's more money you don't have any time to spend, and kiss my ass because "I am the pro-union" president. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_United_States_railroad_labor_dispute
Newsom pushed through a age verification law. How can that work unless it is a national login page? Reddit, imgur, lemmy/piefed, and pretty much everything else would require a digital bouncer at the door because none of this is designed to keep a tiny fraction of the countries total population from being psychologically scared like all the rest of us have been.
Establishment Democrats have been enabling the Republicans for decades.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 15 pts · 58d
Makes much more sense how we got here when you realize the Democrats haven't been that different from Republicans.
nomy@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 58d
They push the exact same neoliberal policies, they just act slightly nicer to gay people while they do it.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 58d
Fascism with a pride sticker.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 57d
It's like those two managers at work. One is a sweetheart, and everybody wants to be on their team. The other is an insufferable sonuvabitch that makes every minute at work miserable, and nobody wants to be on his team.
But make no mistake, despite their total opposite approaches, they both have the same job - to advance the corporation's agenda. Ultimately, they both have the same objective.
That's Rebublicans vs Democrats.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 57d
-"psychologically scarred?"
Yeah, we would hate for kids to find out what human genitalia look like. If we do a good enough job, they'll go their entire lives without ever learning that boys and girls have different parts in their pants.
DevDave@piefed.social · 1 pts · 56d
I was thinking of other stuff but even if you were on the internet in the 90's and early 00's it would be difficult to convey how unhinged a lot of us seemed to have been.
kkj@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 54d
I think they were talking about Goatse, not Brazzers.
robear@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 57d
Hardcore porn is a little different from general nudity and access to it probably has a bigger impact on a child's development than you want to admit.
Banning kids from corporate social media is also objectively a good thing. Banning everyone would be better.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 57d
Porn doesn't have anywhere close to the impact as a lifetime of mass surveillance and government control that impacts every aspect of your life, forever.
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 38d
The problem is they try to negotiate with fascists, extend the olive branch and create a “big tent.” They use scare tactics because leftist candidates are “too far left” and they want to woo ancient voters who will be dead in 10 years to leave us with a dystopian future.
Don’t try to reason with fools. They’ll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience.
“Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
DevDave@piefed.social · 1 pts · 37d
Another factor is that politicians aren't in the positions they have attained through entirely altruistic means. From my observations, when people achieve some larger amount of means, they trend towards being conservative to varying degrees of their accumulated wealth and status.
A measurable amount of the older generation don't want to give up anything, perhaps even being aware they have much more then they actually need. Or perhaps not, I don't know. A more socialist government means giving up portions of their wealth for things that have no benefit to them (eg schools for children) and or they assume it is all just a ruse to cheat them? Again, I don't know.
hoppeduponcoffee@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 37d
I wish they would realize in the face of death, wealth means nothing. However, one can live in a better world overall, when they realize a rising tide raises all sails. The inevitably of capitalism, at least on the path it’s currently on, will spell disaster for the majority of people.
It is definitely hard to find people with integrity. But with people like Mamdani turning down a pay raise, or the former president of Uruguay only accepting a pittance and living in poverty, it gives me hope there are people out there in the world with principles. There just needs to be more. A “public servant” should be exactly that. They only serve the public interest, not to line their pockets.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 58d
I love this. Give us a specific list of who to never vote for.
Rep. Tom Suozzi (D-NY) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Adam Gray (D-CA) — Co-leading the initiative
Rep. Josh Gottheimer (D-NJ)
Rep. Susie Lee (D-NV)
Rep. Don Davis (D-NC)
Rep. Vicente Gonzalez Jr. (D-TX)
Rep. Laura Gillen (D-NY)
Rep. Janelle Bynum (D-OR)
Rep. Kristin McDonald Rivet (D-MI)
Rep. Maggie Goodlander (D-NH)
Jessica Killin (candidate)
Marlene Galán Woods (candidate)
Bobby Pulido (candidate)
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 57d
I bet they keep this pledge, they'll be like "sorry minimum wage is still 7.50 in 2030, BUT we did oppose that Mamdami guy! We promise to raise minimum wage by 2040, super swear believe it!
marxismtomorrow@lemmy.today · 20 pts · 57d
Liberals will always side with fascists before they side with communists, as fascism doesn't threaten their power.
cecinestpasunecommunication@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 57d
There was one time they didn't, and the rest of the libs haven't forgiven them
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 57d
Threaten it? It gives them more...
CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 58d
What a bunch of cunts. Why don't they fight Trump this hard?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 13 pts · 58d
Because he has enough policies that align with them that they don't actually hate him.
TheGoldenV@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 57d
Isn’t that just nuts? Like, boy I’m against his baby killing policy, but I sure do like moderate tax cuts.
CoolSouthpaw@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 58d
I know. What fucking pieces of shit. All of them.
optimisticturtle@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 57d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 57d
They told you, they're "Capitalists." Seemed real proud of it, too.
Dryad@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 58d
Oh look at that, they’re writing a strongly worded letter!
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 58d
They should write themselves a resignation letter for failing Americans
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 57d
I'm literally shocked that one of the singers wasn't Schmuck Schumer.
Proprietary_Blend@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 58d
They signed a pledge to maybe send an email. That can't happen until they choose a caterer committee.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 57d
Im just over economic growth, we don't need anymore economic growth. We make enough food housing and medicine to take care of everyone twice over. There's zero benefit to more economic growth, it's just more money for billionaires to waste labor on luxuries like insanely huge party yachts and weddings in fairy tale settings.
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 57d
Yeah and constant economic growth has huge downsides like global ecological collapse and climate change.
Leviathan@fedinsfw.app · 16 pts · 58d
Yo, what the fuck? That's just straight up treason against half the country.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 58d
Remember their names when they try to beg for a vote.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 15 pts · 58d
Democratic socialists are truly the greatest threat to our glorious nation if you ignore literally everything else.
Daft_ish@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 57d
Dont trust these dem socs. They will let this country descend into authoritarianism! As we all know, neo-libs have done all the heavy lifting when it comes to that and to imagine these dirty dem socs come in at the last minute and take all the credit.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 57d
I'm not worried about Democratic Socialists, I'm worried about MAGA Socialists.
TomMasz@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 58d
Nothing succeeds like the old strategy that didn't succeed.
Abyssian@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 57d
"We promise America we will continue to make sure our donors can fuck you all as hard and rough as they want."
flandish@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 57d
capitalists gonna capitalism
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 57d
Criminals gonna crime. FIFY.
flandish@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
same same.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 58d
They're promising to screw you over
uriel238@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 57d
This is frustrating but not surprising. Progressives and Democratic Socialists have been the red-haired stepchildren of the Democratic Party since Bernie Sanders and Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez. (Right after AOC won her primary, the DCCC changed its rules to deny support to other Democratic Socialist candidates. They were later pressured to revert the policy change.)
But we've already seen in the last decade evidence of active capture of the Democratic party and its institutions. Corporate lobbyists really prefer officials who are soulless and obedient and would rather get super wealthy than serve the public.
Sadly, it's the same neoliberal disease that infects all of the industrialized world, which factors into why authoritarianism and even fascism are gaining traction in those nations as well.
The Democrats may not be effective in taking back power, but if they do, we have to remake the entire system to address corruption, the influence of money, and to create social safety nets stronger than before. If we appease the capitalists and neoliberals even a little bit, then we'll be right back here again with some Trump-like figure in power and the Heritage Foundation wrecking the country's institutions all over again.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 57d
It's pathetic that they didn't even read the wiki page on socialism before declaring themselves to be against it. They don't seem to be aware of market socialism and mixed economies. If they truly had the best interests of their constituents in mind, they would perform basic research before ruling out entire economic philosophies.
TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 57d
No offense to Americans but i find them insular as if no other ideas exist if it is not from the US. I don't blame ordinary Americans because they are conditioned by corporate media that ultimately cater to the capitalist narrative.
Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org · 7 pts · 57d
There's a long history of rich assholes who support democracy siding with rich assholes who don't support democracy over democracy supporters interested in social change.
Goes back at least to the mid-1800's
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
Rich people don’t support democracy. Democracy is fundamentally incompatible with wealth inequality.
Verdorrterpunkt@feddit.org · 1 pts · 57d
The 1840's would like to have a word. This was not a defense of rich people, just what history has shown.
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 58d
DINO lol. Democrats in name only
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
The democratic party is technically more than one party all shoved into one, who knew? Just like the republican party.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 12 pts · 57d
Maybe Republicans 15 years ago.
Trump has cleaned out any Republican dissenters.
If you don't kiss the orange cock, he sends death threats your way.
bold_atlas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
If the left did a Jan 6th then these "lesser evils" would be fighting and crawling over themselves be part of the firing squads.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 58d
I'd rather they were Republicans than useless Democrats
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
Vote them all out at all costs. Time to get motivated. Moderates can be Republicans if they won’t provide public medical option. Affordable housing and a guarantee to a job.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 56d
"We believe in a growing, fair, and competitive economy that rewards hard work, innovation, entrepreneurship, and ownership. Full-time work should make it possible to own a home, raise a family, afford healthcare, and retire with dignity. Economic, permitting, and tax policy should expand opportunity and lower costs for workers, families, entrepreneurs, and those striving to join the middle class, not disproportionately favor those already at the top."
Absolute garbage. They know they are not working towards a single thing on this list. At least they are not lying about being capitalists when they work with Republicans to gut Social Security and remove our ability to redress the government in the future.