It was a time of both plug and play simplicity, and head banging frustration. Consoles were dumb easy, and had to have a catalog that competed with the others. PC games were the wild west. Everything from it just works to eight disc setups, but not a single mainstream way to extract more money after the game had been sold. You could pop your ass on the couch and play the same game for 8 hours and still not do everything in it despite the lack of online capabilities. It was an era of mystery, is this article/friend/kid taking me for one? Or is Yoshi really there at the top of Peaches castle in Mario 64? If you'd never know if you or a friend didnt do it in front of you. Subscription was a thing but they seem modest by today's standards. Zezima, Athena, and LeeroyJenkins were the names of our Gods.
Oh man. Amen!
Thank you for this awesome text. I'm just 26 years old, but I think this is the golden times. Not like, those are the best games or stuff, it's just... I kinda feel like those were the good times. Even tho even then there was many shitty games. Probably even most of the games. It's hard to describe this feeling. :/
The games are still there. Nintendo may cost an arm and a leg now but it kinda did then too and Zelda still never asks where your season pass is. Some games are the classic games in disguise like Flock Around is just Pokemon Snap without rails. Theres this game called Star Garden thats Kirby Air Ride with a Chao Garden thrown in. Cassette Beasts is Steam Pokemon. I host my own Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2 server. Its all still there and still being made. The golden era never ended, its just the giants aren't peddling it anymore and the river is so wide it can be a chore to wade. But, have you slain Olga Flow in the depths of the world? Or repelled the second coming of Orochi with a stroke of your celestial brush? Or discovered the mystery behind what happened to Darth Revan? Theres thousands of hours of games to get through before the modern era. Vimm's lair has 1/4th of it. Kindle your soul and keep the age of fire burning a little longer.
Yeah, while my mind did go to GoldenEye, this really applied to NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and ps2, out of the systems I have/had.
My wii u games are still playable, though they might try to connect to a server that no longer exists to look for updates. Similar with ps3 (though I think my system needs an overhaul because it's running pretty slow these days, like many dropped frames in rock band 2 or even some in GH3).
For the ps5, I'm not sure what will happen when Sony no longer wants to support it. I mostly have physical games, maybe I should try disconnecting the internet and see what happens if I try to fire up random games, both ones I've already played and ones that haven't left their case yet.
Anyways, I mostly thought of the era of the first paragraph, since the others have updates.
I gotta play it. Sadly as I grew older, those old FPS with low FoV give me motion sickness in like minutes. Can't even enjoy Build Engine games anymore, which were my favorite old school games back then. :c
DK64. I see so much hate for it now, with people saying there are way too many collectibles, but those people fail to realize that back then most kids only had a few games that they just had to play over and over again if they wanted to play video games at all. To have a game that always had a new thing to collect even when you went to the same level for the 1000th time was a godsend.
Gotta agree here. That game was so much fun. Just remember the monkey assistant mode (don't know what it was called in english, the german localization called it "Affiger Assistent" which translates to "monkey-like assistant" or "silly assistant") in multiplayer!
While not my absolute favourite 2 player game, my friend and I sunk hours and hours into Champions of Norrath 1 and 2. We must have played new game+ like, 5 or 6 times. Loved it!
(Most love probably goes to Street Fighter 2 on the Megadrive)
Mortal Kombat: Deception. Honestly, fighting games are one of my least favorite genres nowadays. But as a very young kid (way too young to be playing MK lol), it was a lot of fun.
I always got my ass kicked by my older siblings, so I preferred taking turns in the story mode over playing against other people. Probably one of the reasons I strongly prefer co-op and PvE games even today, now that I think about it.
Fuzion Frenzy even though it doesn't really apply because it wasn't really single player at all, it was only local co-op mini games like a Mario Party kinda (with no board.)
Even though it doesn't really match what the greentext is describing, the vibe of just, like, enjoying video games in your living room with no DLC nor microtransactions made me think of it. It's a game that was, like, moderately successful but not enough that I ever run into people on the internet that know about it, so it almost feels like a kind of secret I share with my sister, and the game had strong art direction that was really early 2000s that hits me with nostalgia too.
Okay that looks REALLY interesting. Thank you for sharing!
Gotta share one thing: Bishi Bashi!
PSX game that's also a minigames collection. Pretty fun, quite high quality as far as I can tell. Haven't found someone to play it atm. :c
Still, looks fun af!
Honestly, that's the entire reason i lost interest in consoles after buying the PS4. If i need to:
1 Boot up the console.
2 Update the system (twice).
3 PSN account bullshit.
4 Insert disc.
5 Install the game.
6 Download 50GB update for the game.
7 Install said update.
8 Finally start the game.
9 Login and TOS bullshit.
10 Finally play game.
I might just as well use my PC for gaming at that point. The games library is larger and the exclusives are just not worth it. Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.
i've never had to spend hours finding the 'right driver' for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.
which is why i gave up on PC gaming, I'm old and I just want to play games, I don't wnat to spend 2-3 hours 'troubleshooting' every game on my PC and having to swap drivers because some games only run on some drivers.
And we're on Linux even. It has its own share of issues. Generally, if a problem is game-specific, the fixes are stuff like "switch Proton versions" (there's a little dropdown in Steam or whatever launcher you use) or "toss some environment variable in the launch options". But those are really a thing of the past now, stuff just works.
And it never took installing drivers for a specific game (...huh?). Installing drivers is a thing you do once, if that, during initial setup, just like you'd do account creation for a console.
and we all had our own way of stacking the floppies. so you would never install anything with anyone you didn't trust around, because they might move your stacks.
Thats not really fair. Morrowind was so buggy someone decided they needed to remake the entire game engine to play it. I wouldn't say most games where like that.
Bloodline the masquerade was also infested. We remember these because the games were so good they were worth fighting to get running. The ones that were buggy and bad are mostly forgotten.
Most of them? Care to provide some examples without the ridiculous "don't work" hyperbole? Clearly most Sega games were functional, otherwise no one would've been playing them.
That wasn't actually good for the cartridge, long term. My parents provided us with q-tips, but we were a Nintendo family. I had a few friends that had the SEGA Master System, and though I don't remember the titles, I do remember several cartridges that we never played, because there were problems with the game a level or two in.
i'm pretty sure console wars start when two companies try to fill the same niche, not when one company (according to one person's anecdote) has broken games
"Anything that is in the world when youāre born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that's invented between when youāre fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.ā
ā Douglas Adams, "The Salmon of Doubt"
As someone who recently started hoarding old tools I wish that was true for all things.
We just recently got a singer 500a and its still impressive the engineering that went into that thing. The machine work is beautiful, and if you told me it was made in a CNC machine today I would of believed you.
Today modern and new, just means slave labor and plastic molded parts. Besides computers a lot of things haven't really changed. And often when they have changed it's for the worst. If I get a sewing machine today it would come with some app and internet connection for no reason, and would have plastic parts that struggle to get through 3 layers of cloth. While the singer 500a was meant to run 24/7 and is essentially the same exact thing.
For the most part the world has kind of been solved sense shortly after the industrial revolution. All the general commodities we interact with where mostly at their peak form back then. Dish washers, fridges, washing machines, driers. They're all almost exactly the same as they where when they where invented. There have been minor improvements that have been added over the years but for the most part things are in general just shittier.
You can blame so many things, you can say that mass production, trickle down economics, exporting labor etc all causes this. You can say that everyones access to mass produced garbage is an indicator of wealth and poverty dropping. What I don't think you can say anymore is that things "products" are better than they where in the old days.
I agree with your statement about cultural aspects though. Other than that when I hear some new innovative product the first thing that comes to my mind is its going to be another internet of things device that constantly bugs me and asks for more data, while providing 0 utility over the old version of the product, if anything its going to add more friction to my task, or attempt to insert a paywall into my life where one never existed before.
With games its harder to objectively say things where worse/better, but this infection of syphoning money out of every possible source infects games too. The only reason I can't say new modern games are bad is because indie games exist. Some of those indie games actually have brought me back to a childhood state where games where actually fun.
We're 26. The new stuff is crap, and that's not just nostalgia goggles, it is actually objectively worse.
There's plenty of new stuff that isn't crap, like say indie games. But the platforms, the consoles, etc.? Those are intentionally disrespectful these days in a way even, say, the Wii/PS3 era of consoles wasn't (and they certainly weren't perfect either, it just started getting way worse way faster after that).
When a game sucked ass then you had a physical product you could sell or trade to offload it. Instead of the whole game getting the servers shut off and delisted within a year if itās bad today. Even the bad games were better back then because of this
i've played single player games my entire life and got nothing but shit for it. i guess because they don't have all the drama of multiplayer games and the constant updates?
Back in 1997 I bought the game KKnD (Krush, Kill n' Destroy) in a local store for what would now be 110 dollars only to discover that it was broken and wouldn't run on my machine and there was no way to get a patch for it.
Nope :) I mean, I was 13, so maybe I could have if I'd pressed it but I was a kid and figured it was just bad luck.
Like, we weren't online - you couldn't look up consumer protection rules and shit back then, you had to rely on some adult who wasn't a complete moron knowing what to do.
games cost about 4x what they do today back then. you were paying 40-80 dollars per game, and they never got discounted really unless they became a huge hit and got a best seller release and maybe they went down to 20-30, in 2026 dollars, that's between 40-160 dollars per game. which is the reason why most folks only bought like 2-4 games a year if they were lucky. now you are buying dozens of games per year for like $100-200.
In Germany you could buy most games for 12.95DM in the 90s/10ā¬ in the 2000s, if you were willing to wait a year after the initial release. And unless you had enough money to buy the newest PC, you often had to resort to last year's games anyway. As a comparison, I got 20DM for mowing my neighbours lawn.
These re-releases came with just a jewel case and no box, the manual was a PDF on the disk but on the other hand they often had some bugs fixed since the first release.
i agree with you in a way, its true that in the 2000ās i could only buy about a game a year also because you werenāt switching consoles as frequently as we do. I could wish for a game from Xbox and i would never play it because the console i had at home was playstation. Nowadays that is leveled, but this goes hand in hand with the things related to the amount of games we have vs what games we finish. And back then i fisnished all small amounts of games and we recall every nook and cranny of the games, nowadays its really cool to look at a 200 game library but we are not taking the best of them because of the diversity, we have so much we quite cant click as easily (at least this is how i feel but i have found people with different opinions)
The sweet spot was getting the full game on disc and getting included DLC, having the ability to mod the game, and run private servers. It was kinda the golden era of this stage in gaming. Computers were powerful enough to give a great visual experience and studios were still interested in producing engaging storylines in triple A releases instead of just banging out battle royale games.
You could just enjoy the game as-is with a really good singleplayer campaign and then with whatever online offered. To this day I still have great memories of Half Life, Crysis, or even MoH:AA, especially the Snowy Park map. Do they compare graphically with todayās games like Fortnite? Not a chance. But you remember the story and how the game was way better at pulling you into it.
Some of the mods from this era turned out to be just as popular, if not moreso, than the original base game. Some of them live on to this day.
Sure, some Steam games offer mods and the like, but it certainly isnāt the same thing as what we had 15 or so years ago.
It's a modern day Half Life 1. Fan remake, with greatly expanded Xen levels. Obviously they got Valve's permission, given the whole companion cube steam machine fiasco.
I never got the "modern games are no fun!" thing because I've always played retro games only. Growing up around my dad and his SNES Station, I ended getting influenced.
Iām lucky in that I never sold any old consoles. Iāve got stuff dating back to the NES and Master System. And all of it still works too, right down to the Dreamcast.
So thankfully Iāll still be able to play games once the console market implodes. Iām definitely not buying a new console if thereās no physical medium available.
And yeah, Iām going to be more actively collecting for those older systems. They canāt steal the stuff you physically ownā¦
The only thing here that is mostly BS is the "tons of unlockable content." That really became more of a thing after DLC and always online shit. Most of the time it was ONE level and/or ONE character if it had anything at all.
Why do people want physical media? It's shit. Sorry, I have to leave my house and go take the bus to transfer some data? IPoAC is a meme, not a serious distribution system. Yet it would still be better than games on physical media!
If you don't like the DRM that some digital copies come with I totally get that but GOG has existed for a very long time at this point. Also physical copies frequently come with more DRM than a digital copy from GOG does.
They can't make my physical copy just not be in my physical library anymore. They sure can any digital they wish. At anytime they wish. Digital is crap because you don't actually own it.
It would still be in your library, sure. But that doesn't mean they can't make it not work anymore. It needs to be on physical media and not be required to connect to a server.
I keep seeing this attitude toward physical media like everyone forgot about what happend with The Crew.
And, legally speaking, you don't own the software on the disk, either. You just own the disk.
Did you not read my message? I said I totally get not liking DRM. Which btw can turn physical copies into paperweights too if its Orwellian enough. If a digital copy has no DRM it is even more resilient than physical because most physical copies do have DRM that prevents making backup copies.
Hard disagree. Did you read my message? I said they can't just make my physical copy disappear from my library. My physical library. Never in my life have i had a physical copy not play flawless when i put it in. Had to give the old carts a blowy every now and then but never did they not work. Never.
Also drm has nothing to do with a company pulling digital access. Nothing.
They can't delete digital copies I have downloaded either.
Sure they may not let you download a new copy in 50 years, but your physical copy is probably going to be fucked by then too. At least my digital copy could have been backed up and copied to multiple different storage devices. Your physical copy almost certainly has some kind of copy protection that prevents you from making a backup.
This isn't actually true with GoG though. They can delist the game from their store, but if you already have it downloaded then you have it for as long as you maintain your digital files
I wouldn't, it's not technically "physically" on your drive.
Like, the real benefit of physical media is that it is separate from the medium you use to view it on. If your blu-ray player breaks, you still have your disks. If your computer breaks, you might not be able to recover those files and then they would be lost forever. Maybe if you have an external backup that can be disconnected from your system? That I'd be closer to considering physical media, since it can be disconnected from the medium.
If you really wanna fall down a rabbit hole though, what's the difference between an installation server being taken down, and a disc you own getting smudged and becoming unreadable? In both cases, your access to the media you "own" was lost due to factors outside your control.
I mean, you can, but it has to be DRM free like GOG, and has to be able to run independent of the launcher.
then again, even if you do own it, doesn't mean you can install/run it without code updates. part of the genius of GoG is they include the update/emulation code to make old games run on modern hardware and OS w/o having to hack it yourself or download some mod from some repository that might be malware.
126 Comments
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 56 pts · 32d
Okay guys 'n gals. What's your first game you thought of while reading this greentext?
Mine is TimeSplitters 2 on PS2.
karpintero@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 32d
GoldenEye N64
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 31 pts · 32d
I thought of an era, not a specific game.
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
Tell me more! :D
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 20 pts · 32d
It was a time of both plug and play simplicity, and head banging frustration. Consoles were dumb easy, and had to have a catalog that competed with the others. PC games were the wild west. Everything from it just works to eight disc setups, but not a single mainstream way to extract more money after the game had been sold. You could pop your ass on the couch and play the same game for 8 hours and still not do everything in it despite the lack of online capabilities. It was an era of mystery, is this article/friend/kid taking me for one? Or is Yoshi really there at the top of Peaches castle in Mario 64? If you'd never know if you or a friend didnt do it in front of you. Subscription was a thing but they seem modest by today's standards. Zezima, Athena, and LeeroyJenkins were the names of our Gods.
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
Oh man. Amen! Thank you for this awesome text. I'm just 26 years old, but I think this is the golden times. Not like, those are the best games or stuff, it's just... I kinda feel like those were the good times. Even tho even then there was many shitty games. Probably even most of the games. It's hard to describe this feeling. :/
Sanctus@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 32d
The games are still there. Nintendo may cost an arm and a leg now but it kinda did then too and Zelda still never asks where your season pass is. Some games are the classic games in disguise like Flock Around is just Pokemon Snap without rails. Theres this game called Star Garden thats Kirby Air Ride with a Chao Garden thrown in. Cassette Beasts is Steam Pokemon. I host my own Phantasy Star Online Episode 1 & 2 server. Its all still there and still being made. The golden era never ended, its just the giants aren't peddling it anymore and the river is so wide it can be a chore to wade. But, have you slain Olga Flow in the depths of the world? Or repelled the second coming of Orochi with a stroke of your celestial brush? Or discovered the mystery behind what happened to Darth Revan? Theres thousands of hours of games to get through before the modern era. Vimm's lair has 1/4th of it. Kindle your soul and keep the age of fire burning a little longer.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 32d
Yeah, while my mind did go to GoldenEye, this really applied to NES, SNES, N64, GameCube, and ps2, out of the systems I have/had.
My wii u games are still playable, though they might try to connect to a server that no longer exists to look for updates. Similar with ps3 (though I think my system needs an overhaul because it's running pretty slow these days, like many dropped frames in rock band 2 or even some in GH3).
For the ps5, I'm not sure what will happen when Sony no longer wants to support it. I mostly have physical games, maybe I should try disconnecting the internet and see what happens if I try to fire up random games, both ones I've already played and ones that haven't left their case yet.
Anyways, I mostly thought of the era of the first paragraph, since the others have updates.
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 32d
Super Mario World on SNES
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
Goldeneye
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
I gotta play it. Sadly as I grew older, those old FPS with low FoV give me motion sickness in like minutes. Can't even enjoy Build Engine games anymore, which were my favorite old school games back then. :c
mctoasterson@reddthat.com · 8 pts · 32d
Perfect Dark
Fetus@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
You mean Goldeneye 2?
Zulu@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
Halo ce
CheeseNoodle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
Super Mario World
That game is like 50% secrets and still Nintendos best work IMO.
Signtist@bookwyr.me · 4 pts · 32d
DK64. I see so much hate for it now, with people saying there are way too many collectibles, but those people fail to realize that back then most kids only had a few games that they just had to play over and over again if they wanted to play video games at all. To have a game that always had a new thing to collect even when you went to the same level for the 1000th time was a godsend.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 31d
I loved playing as Lanky Kong.
I had that, 007, Pokemon Stadium, Tony Hawk, and Turok. Anything else I had to rent from Blockbuster.
9point6@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
Mario kart 64
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
That and Quake II are the only console games I've ever sunk an enormous amount of time into.
Captain_Baka@feddit.org · 4 pts · 32d
Gotta agree here. That game was so much fun. Just remember the monkey assistant mode (don't know what it was called in english, the german localization called it "Affiger Assistent" which translates to "monkey-like assistant" or "silly assistant") in multiplayer!
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
As a fellow German, I feel ya. The monkey was also my favorite char when playing pvp. lol
Phantaloons@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 32d
Jet Force Gemini
ArcaneGadget@nord.pub · 3 pts · 32d
Spyro the Dragon. Man I need to find the time to play through that entire stack of games again...
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 32d
The remake of the trilogy is pretty good, if you haven't tried it.
ArcaneGadget@nord.pub · 3 pts · 32d
I have, and i loved every minute of it. š But it has been to long since i played the PS2 and PS3 games...
mx_smith@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
At least with those games you had a collectible figure once the game was finished.
ArcaneGadget@nord.pub · 1 pts · 32d
???
-Oh you talking about Skylanders? Never got into that. I was talking about the original games.
mx_smith@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Oh yeah I forgot there was the other game.
Lampenoel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 32d
Ratchet and Clank - Up your Arsenal
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 32d
Twisted Metal on PS1
Zarobi@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 32d
Goof Troop... Surprisingly hard to beat that game in co-op š
DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
While not my absolute favourite 2 player game, my friend and I sunk hours and hours into Champions of Norrath 1 and 2. We must have played new game+ like, 5 or 6 times. Loved it!
(Most love probably goes to Street Fighter 2 on the Megadrive)
missphant@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 32d
Super Monkey Ball 2 on GC. My brother and I spent more time playing the mini games than the game itself.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Soldier of Fortune
Nelots@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 31d
Mortal Kombat: Deception. Honestly, fighting games are one of my least favorite genres nowadays. But as a very young kid (way too young to be playing MK lol), it was a lot of fun.
I always got my ass kicked by my older siblings, so I preferred taking turns in the story mode over playing against other people. Probably one of the reasons I strongly prefer co-op and PvE games even today, now that I think about it.
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
You should try Tekken Tag Tournament. It's one of my favorite games because you can play the Story Mode in CoOp and it's soo much fun!
SharkWeek@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 32d
Resonosity@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 32d
PokƩmon Leaf Green
LiarAmongAll@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 32d
Oh definitely Gauntlet Legends on the N64, I ruined the game cartridge I played it so often. Good times
EmilieEasie@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 32d
Fuzion Frenzy even though it doesn't really apply because it wasn't really single player at all, it was only local co-op mini games like a Mario Party kinda (with no board.)
Even though it doesn't really match what the greentext is describing, the vibe of just, like, enjoying video games in your living room with no DLC nor microtransactions made me think of it. It's a game that was, like, moderately successful but not enough that I ever run into people on the internet that know about it, so it almost feels like a kind of secret I share with my sister, and the game had strong art direction that was really early 2000s that hits me with nostalgia too.
Chezus9247@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Okay that looks REALLY interesting. Thank you for sharing! Gotta share one thing: Bishi Bashi! PSX game that's also a minigames collection. Pretty fun, quite high quality as far as I can tell. Haven't found someone to play it atm. :c Still, looks fun af!
BoxOfFeet@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15d
Bonk's Adventure for the TG16.
Doc_Crankenstein@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 31d
Turok.
Nima@leminal.space · 0 pts · 32d
Golden Sun š
ArcaneGadget@nord.pub · 41 pts · 32d
Honestly, that's the entire reason i lost interest in consoles after buying the PS4. If i need to:
1 Boot up the console.
2 Update the system (twice).
3 PSN account bullshit.
4 Insert disc.
5 Install the game.
6 Download 50GB update for the game.
7 Install said update.
8 Finally start the game.
9 Login and TOS bullshit.
10 Finally play game.
I might just as well use my PC for gaming at that point. The games library is larger and the exclusives are just not worth it. Especially after Sony started releasing those on PC as well.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 32d
They put a stop to that, and now it's more clear why: they want absolute control over the price of their games.
QueenHawlSera@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 30d
Which is a shame. I was going to buy Marvel's Wolverine and that God of War remake collection.
Now I will go back to not supporting Sony in anyway shape or form
jnod4@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 32d
PC gaming has more exclusives btw
OhVenus_Baby@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 32d
Arggg too.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 32d
i've never had to spend hours finding the 'right driver' for my PS4 to run a game. or having to mod the game to get it to just play.
which is why i gave up on PC gaming, I'm old and I just want to play games, I don't wnat to spend 2-3 hours 'troubleshooting' every game on my PC and having to swap drivers because some games only run on some drivers.
TheLowestStone@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 32d
Funny, I've never had to.do.those things on my PC.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
that makes one of us
forestbeasts@pawb.social · 5 pts · 31d
Two of us.
And we're on Linux even. It has its own share of issues. Generally, if a problem is game-specific, the fixes are stuff like "switch Proton versions" (there's a little dropdown in Steam or whatever launcher you use) or "toss some environment variable in the launch options". But those are really a thing of the past now, stuff just works.
And it never took installing drivers for a specific game (...huh?). Installing drivers is a thing you do once, if that, during initial setup, just like you'd do account creation for a console.
-- Frost
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 32d
cool. I am not you. I have to do it basically every time i want to PC game, and always have.
even my nephews have to do it frequently and they just bought new gaming PCs that are a few months old.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
Yeah you should probably stick with consoles then.
carpelbridgesyndrome@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 32d
On PC I don't have to rebuy games because Sony doesn't believe in backwards compatibility.
solidsmoke@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 32d
-Actually belongs to you -Developers can't delete it
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 32d
It's usually publishers who are the villains here, not devs.
solidsmoke@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 32d
You're completely right, whoops
Ariselas@piefed.ca · 26 pts · 32d
Full game on a disk? You new school kids don't know that 1/2 of the game is loading the 17, 5 1/2" floppies in order just to install your game.
lordziv@lemmy.nz · 4 pts · 31d
Final Fantasy VII was so big it came on 7 discs
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
and we all had our own way of stacking the floppies. so you would never install anything with anyone you didn't trust around, because they might move your stacks.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 32d
This is def nostalgia goggles, so many games were broken buggy messes back then because there was no way to ship updates
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 32d
No, they weren't. Most had bugs, but they weren't game-breaking. A lot of people took joy in finding and exploiting the bugs too. Dupes, etc.
Yeah, some shitty games were loaded with bugs.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 32d
bugs? nah, not a problem
whistles in Morrowind
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 31d
Thats not really fair. Morrowind was so buggy someone decided they needed to remake the entire game engine to play it. I wouldn't say most games where like that.
Simulation6@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 31d
Bloodline the masquerade was also infested. We remember these because the games were so good they were worth fighting to get running. The ones that were buggy and bad are mostly forgotten.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 30d
yeah, back in the day it was "crashed to desktop every 15? set a timer to save every 14. this is a cool game."
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 32d
Try playing the original SEGA catalog. Lemme know how many of those games work.
vithigar@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 32d
Most of them? Care to provide some examples without the ridiculous "don't work" hyperbole? Clearly most Sega games were functional, otherwise no one would've been playing them.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 32d
Did you try blowing in them?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 32d
That wasn't actually good for the cartridge, long term. My parents provided us with q-tips, but we were a Nintendo family. I had a few friends that had the SEGA Master System, and though I don't remember the titles, I do remember several cartridges that we never played, because there were problems with the game a level or two in.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 31d
oh so the whole "sega games are broken" thing was just your experience with your friend's pirated or literally broken cartridges?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Nope. Those were official SEGA games. This is literally the reason that the SEGA vs Nintendo wars started.
festnt@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 31d
i'm pretty sure console wars start when two companies try to fill the same niche, not when one company (according to one person's anecdote) has broken games
flapperfivethousand@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 32d
"Anything that is in the world when youāre born is normal and ordinary and is just a natural part of the way the world works. Anything that's invented between when youāre fifteen and thirty-five is new and exciting and revolutionary and you can probably get a career in it. Anything invented after you're thirty-five is against the natural order of things.ā ā Douglas Adams, "The Salmon of Doubt"
FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 31d
As someone who recently started hoarding old tools I wish that was true for all things.
We just recently got a singer 500a and its still impressive the engineering that went into that thing. The machine work is beautiful, and if you told me it was made in a CNC machine today I would of believed you.
Today modern and new, just means slave labor and plastic molded parts. Besides computers a lot of things haven't really changed. And often when they have changed it's for the worst. If I get a sewing machine today it would come with some app and internet connection for no reason, and would have plastic parts that struggle to get through 3 layers of cloth. While the singer 500a was meant to run 24/7 and is essentially the same exact thing.
For the most part the world has kind of been solved sense shortly after the industrial revolution. All the general commodities we interact with where mostly at their peak form back then. Dish washers, fridges, washing machines, driers. They're all almost exactly the same as they where when they where invented. There have been minor improvements that have been added over the years but for the most part things are in general just shittier.
You can blame so many things, you can say that mass production, trickle down economics, exporting labor etc all causes this. You can say that everyones access to mass produced garbage is an indicator of wealth and poverty dropping. What I don't think you can say anymore is that things "products" are better than they where in the old days.
I agree with your statement about cultural aspects though. Other than that when I hear some new innovative product the first thing that comes to my mind is its going to be another internet of things device that constantly bugs me and asks for more data, while providing 0 utility over the old version of the product, if anything its going to add more friction to my task, or attempt to insert a paywall into my life where one never existed before.
With games its harder to objectively say things where worse/better, but this infection of syphoning money out of every possible source infects games too. The only reason I can't say new modern games are bad is because indie games exist. Some of those indie games actually have brought me back to a childhood state where games where actually fun.
forestbeasts@pawb.social · 2 pts · 31d
We're 26. The new stuff is crap, and that's not just nostalgia goggles, it is actually objectively worse.
There's plenty of new stuff that isn't crap, like say indie games. But the platforms, the consoles, etc.? Those are intentionally disrespectful these days in a way even, say, the Wii/PS3 era of consoles wasn't (and they certainly weren't perfect either, it just started getting way worse way faster after that).
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 31d
I guess GenAI slop is making me age faster, then
TORFdot0@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 32d
When a game sucked ass then you had a physical product you could sell or trade to offload it. Instead of the whole game getting the servers shut off and delisted within a year if itās bad today. Even the bad games were better back then because of this
placebo@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 32d
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
i've played single player games my entire life and got nothing but shit for it. i guess because they don't have all the drama of multiplayer games and the constant updates?
CarstenBoll@feddit.dk · 18 pts · 32d
Back in 1997 I bought the game KKnD (Krush, Kill n' Destroy) in a local store for what would now be 110 dollars only to discover that it was broken and wouldn't run on my machine and there was no way to get a patch for it.
lokalhorst@feddit.org · 8 pts · 32d
But I guess you could get your money back?
CarstenBoll@feddit.dk · 14 pts · 32d
Nope :) I mean, I was 13, so maybe I could have if I'd pressed it but I was a kid and figured it was just bad luck.
Like, we weren't online - you couldn't look up consumer protection rules and shit back then, you had to rely on some adult who wasn't a complete moron knowing what to do.
punkhazard@feddit.org · 6 pts · 32d
I randomly got KKnD Crossfires for PS1 and we played countless hours in split screen :D
CarstenBoll@feddit.dk · 13 pts · 32d
Well, that's just rubbing it in, isn't it? :P
rachelzsnow@lemmy.pt · 17 pts · 32d
when can i stop living in this universe and switch back to the one we originally were on? man i miss it so much. That and original pizzahut
GeeDubHayduke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 32d
Convince another weasel to dine on the particle collider in Switzerland.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
and those planters cheeseballs. the new ones don't have as much msg
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 32d
you never did and you never will.
games cost about 4x what they do today back then. you were paying 40-80 dollars per game, and they never got discounted really unless they became a huge hit and got a best seller release and maybe they went down to 20-30, in 2026 dollars, that's between 40-160 dollars per game. which is the reason why most folks only bought like 2-4 games a year if they were lucky. now you are buying dozens of games per year for like $100-200.
brotundspiele@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 32d
In Germany you could buy most games for 12.95DM in the 90s/10ā¬ in the 2000s, if you were willing to wait a year after the initial release. And unless you had enough money to buy the newest PC, you often had to resort to last year's games anyway. As a comparison, I got 20DM for mowing my neighbours lawn.
These re-releases came with just a jewel case and no box, the manual was a PDF on the disk but on the other hand they often had some bugs fixed since the first release.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
i buy two games per year for $100 tops but more like $50 after shipping and taxes. my personal and local public library give me plenty to do.
rachelzsnow@lemmy.pt · 1 pts · 31d
i agree with you in a way, its true that in the 2000ās i could only buy about a game a year also because you werenāt switching consoles as frequently as we do. I could wish for a game from Xbox and i would never play it because the console i had at home was playstation. Nowadays that is leveled, but this goes hand in hand with the things related to the amount of games we have vs what games we finish. And back then i fisnished all small amounts of games and we recall every nook and cranny of the games, nowadays its really cool to look at a 200 game library but we are not taking the best of them because of the diversity, we have so much we quite cant click as easily (at least this is how i feel but i have found people with different opinions)
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 32d
The sweet spot was getting the full game on disc and getting included DLC, having the ability to mod the game, and run private servers. It was kinda the golden era of this stage in gaming. Computers were powerful enough to give a great visual experience and studios were still interested in producing engaging storylines in triple A releases instead of just banging out battle royale games.
You could just enjoy the game as-is with a really good singleplayer campaign and then with whatever online offered. To this day I still have great memories of Half Life, Crysis, or even MoH:AA, especially the Snowy Park map. Do they compare graphically with todayās games like Fortnite? Not a chance. But you remember the story and how the game was way better at pulling you into it.
Some of the mods from this era turned out to be just as popular, if not moreso, than the original base game. Some of them live on to this day.
Sure, some Steam games offer mods and the like, but it certainly isnāt the same thing as what we had 15 or so years ago.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 32d
If you haven't grabbed it, Black Mesa is like $3 right now during the summer sale
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
Never played it. Iāll have a look. Thanks.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 32d
It's a modern day Half Life 1. Fan remake, with greatly expanded Xen levels. Obviously they got Valve's permission, given the whole companion cube steam machine fiasco.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 32d
Rooskie91@discuss.online · 10 pts · 32d
That'll be $75 (for N64 cartridges).
Themosthighstrange@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 32d
I knew Nintendo was done when playstation started selling games for twenty dollars
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 32d
Hope you like 20fps with drops.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 32d
Why would anyone build a whole ass in split screen mode?
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 32d
A Wario game?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 32d
billwashere@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 32d
I didnāt know I needed this gif until now.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 32d
Right?!
MeowerMisfit817@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 31d
I never got the "modern games are no fun!" thing because I've always played retro games only. Growing up around my dad and his SNES Station, I ended getting influenced.
Nosebear@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 31d
Because of this and also the whole RAM deal, I'm wondering if some retro trend is going to happen. Like gamers just going back to exactly those games.
Iambus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
Pretty sure it's already happening, retro console pricing has been going up from what I've seen
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 31d
Retro games and indie games, the golden combo.
They all run in potatoes, are fun, unique, doesn't have anti-consumer practices built in. It's all golden.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 31d
With the exception of "buy game", "disk/cartridge", and split-screen mode with minigames, this is Endless Sky.
Digital gaming can be great when corpos don't ruin everything that makes it great.
FinishingDutch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 31d
Iām lucky in that I never sold any old consoles. Iāve got stuff dating back to the NES and Master System. And all of it still works too, right down to the Dreamcast.
So thankfully Iāll still be able to play games once the console market implodes. Iām definitely not buying a new console if thereās no physical medium available.
And yeah, Iām going to be more actively collecting for those older systems. They canāt steal the stuff you physically ownā¦
DamienGramatacus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
ssfckdt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 31d
This is why I sometimes still play Civ2 or SC2K
R00bot@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 32d
Nintendo games still do this bros.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · -2 pts · 32d
The only thing here that is mostly BS is the "tons of unlockable content." That really became more of a thing after DLC and always online shit. Most of the time it was ONE level and/or ONE character if it had anything at all.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · -3 pts · 32d
Why do people want physical media? It's shit. Sorry, I have to leave my house and go take the bus to transfer some data? IPoAC is a meme, not a serious distribution system. Yet it would still be better than games on physical media!
If you don't like the DRM that some digital copies come with I totally get that but GOG has existed for a very long time at this point. Also physical copies frequently come with more DRM than a digital copy from GOG does.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 32d
They can't make my physical copy just not be in my physical library anymore. They sure can any digital they wish. At anytime they wish. Digital is crap because you don't actually own it.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 2 pts · 32d
It would still be in your library, sure. But that doesn't mean they can't make it not work anymore. It needs to be on physical media and not be required to connect to a server.
I keep seeing this attitude toward physical media like everyone forgot about what happend with The Crew.
And, legally speaking, you don't own the software on the disk, either. You just own the disk.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 32d
Did you not read my message? I said I totally get not liking DRM. Which btw can turn physical copies into paperweights too if its Orwellian enough. If a digital copy has no DRM it is even more resilient than physical because most physical copies do have DRM that prevents making backup copies.
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 32d
Hard disagree. Did you read my message? I said they can't just make my physical copy disappear from my library. My physical library. Never in my life have i had a physical copy not play flawless when i put it in. Had to give the old carts a blowy every now and then but never did they not work. Never.
Also drm has nothing to do with a company pulling digital access. Nothing.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 31d
They can't delete digital copies I have downloaded either.
Sure they may not let you download a new copy in 50 years, but your physical copy is probably going to be fucked by then too. At least my digital copy could have been backed up and copied to multiple different storage devices. Your physical copy almost certainly has some kind of copy protection that prevents you from making a backup.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 32d
This isn't actually true with GoG though. They can delist the game from their store, but if you already have it downloaded then you have it for as long as you maintain your digital files
Entertainmeonly@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 32d
Would that not be considered a physical copy then? It's physically on your drive and not a digital license.
djsoren19@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 32d
I wouldn't, it's not technically "physically" on your drive.
Like, the real benefit of physical media is that it is separate from the medium you use to view it on. If your blu-ray player breaks, you still have your disks. If your computer breaks, you might not be able to recover those files and then they would be lost forever. Maybe if you have an external backup that can be disconnected from your system? That I'd be closer to considering physical media, since it can be disconnected from the medium.
If you really wanna fall down a rabbit hole though, what's the difference between an installation server being taken down, and a disc you own getting smudged and becoming unreadable? In both cases, your access to the media you "own" was lost due to factors outside your control.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 32d
I mean, you can, but it has to be DRM free like GOG, and has to be able to run independent of the launcher.
then again, even if you do own it, doesn't mean you can install/run it without code updates. part of the genius of GoG is they include the update/emulation code to make old games run on modern hardware and OS w/o having to hack it yourself or download some mod from some repository that might be malware.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 32d
because it's a physical tangible object you own.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 32d
You own your SSD, you can stick it on an SD card if you like.