I'll just concile myself by saying she meant punk fashion sense. She loves punk fashion sense but also loves the government and would never ever ever rebel against it. Her dad's a policeman and her mom's a school principal.
edit: CONSOLE. i get so many english words wrong recently.
Yeah... 'punk' is an actual lifestyle, maybe you could say an ideology, or parts of an ideology, or a framework for ideology.
When you just wear it as a costume, you're not only missing the point, you're disposing of the meaning the style is supposed to signify... you're gentrifying a concept, and very likely commodifying it.
Now of course I don't expect every young person, young adult to ... grasp all of that... would be very stupid to 'well ackshually' some kid just trying to express themselves as unique, in some way.
But maybe, hopefully, some of em will read this, and it'll spur them to look into the actual history, the actual ideas... realize that how you live is incredibly more important than what you look like, while doing so.
Yeah it's a dumb meme. 1 & 3 are clearly claiming false persecution for sympathy, because the way you present yourself is the way you wish to be perceived and obviously gaslighting. 2 is hard racism.
It only works to poke fun at the irony of a stupid premise because only one of these things is a real issue.
3 though... I want to be perceived as someone with fantasy coloured hair, you are right. Why are you making the equivalence of crazy colours -> attention seeking person?
That's what the image is denouncing, and you are criticising the 3rd image, so that's the equivalence that you are supporting with your comment.
Out of curiosity, because I wish to understand your reasoning. What you're saying that even though they wish to dye their hair in unique bright fantasy colors that they wish to remain anonymous and inconspicuous in public. Logically that seems like the opposite. If I also like having unique colored hair then I should ignore that we have something in common and not draw attention to it?
Please take no offense, I genuinely want to know your reasoning.
It's not that it's done for no attention whatsoever, it's that the phrase "they're just doing this for attention" is a way that people dismiss each other, and ironically, over-fixate on people who just want to pay for their groceries and leave, you know?
By being fashionable in socially unapproved ways, people will assume you're being vain as a euphemism for their relative disgust, and vanity loses you a lot of social capital—aura, basically. They'll rather think of you as prissy than serious.
But you can comment on a person's hair if you like it, same as you would a band t-shirt for a group you both like.
Yeah, That statement suggests I can't do anything outside of the broadest of accepted pop culture for me, it has to be because I am desperately seeking attention to fill some sort of deficit in my life.
The commodification and commercialization of punk culture is a tragedy. BY DEFINITION if you're punk you are rebelling, it's not just a clothing style.
Capitalism is so good at absorbing all critiques of itself into itself. Punk is rebellion. Turning punk into a fashion trend got rid of all it's teeth.
Ahh yes LAMP... Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP. The software bundle that every high school kid installs when embarking on their journey to web development. I doubt its as popular as it used to be back in them days. WAMP particularly made it easy to get a website going. Sure does bring me back.
I was there dude, in my twenties, and it was dumb then too lol. At least hang a sword from one of those damn things, at least then you'd be vaguely interesting.
Wouldn't dyeing your hair a color that stands out and immediately gets noticed be for attention?
I mean, its like saying peacocks have their feathers like that not to get attention. Or colorful birds do it to not be noticed. It doesn't really make sense.
Maybe like, just want attention on my hair and not the rest of every part of my personality? Idk its weird though because every single thing we do to our outward appearance is for the attention of others around us whether sexually socially or whatever.
I'm a dude so maybe a little different but if I dyed my hair bright blue or pink then you can bet on it getting attention. And when asked whey I did and I'd say "oh man I didn't want anyone to notice!" People would rightfully call me out on that being bullshit.
Its ok to want the attention of fellow humans around you as long as you aren't manipulative about it. But to do it and seek it out and then act like its bothersome you are getting attention for it is strange behavior.
Idk its weird though because every single thing we do to our outward appearance is for the attention of others around us whether sexually socially or whatever.
This is where the disconnect is for you.
People can want to alter their appearance for their own reasons that have nothing to do with socialization. Sometimes it's just because they want to treat themselves, try something new, or just feel good about how they look.
While I think that caring about how you look is not the same as "attention seeking", I think that "feeling good about you look" is still related to socialization.
If we didn't care whatsoever about others, we wouldn't have any reason to care about how we look. It doesn't have to be consciously thought like "if I do that, I'll be more attractive to the other sex" or "if I wear this, my tribe will recognize me like one of theirs". But feeling good about your appearance is still, in a roundabout way, about socialization, I think.
When I look in the mirror and see myself with my long hair (as a man), my metal band shirt and a wristband with norse symbols, I feel great about myself. But I think it's not random coincidence that I happen to be really into metal.
Wouldn’t dyeing your hair a color that stands out and immediately gets noticed be for attention?
As a kid I thought about dyeing my hair one day because hair-dyeing and gay culture were big, and i definitely wouldn't have been doing it "for attention" - rather just to see how it looks, and in case it looks better than my natural hair colour.
I don't think people like looking better for the sake of more attention, but rather to be perceived better when they do get noticed, which hopefully continues to happen at the same rate.
People tend to think in terms of "how will my current social circle respond to this change"
I mean, its like saying peacocks have their feathers like that not to get attention. Or colorful birds do it to not be noticed. It doesn’t really make sense.
They have their feathers like thst because they're born with it. Because of natural selection. Humans make cosmetic changes which are not related to genetics.
This can help with getting "naturally selected," but people also present themselves for work reasons, status signalling, signalling role specialisation, religious belief or other philosophy, fandom (which i'd ssy falls into philosophy or religion).
So the last 3 of those - roles, religion, fandom - might in some way help to stand out to mates seeking those traits or beliefs, but aren't primarily for that.
The former 3 are more about integrating and socialising with others, not about attracting mates.
I know a muslim woman who fully covers her hair with hijab in public and still colors a few select strands red if that introduces any new perspectives.
Besides humans not being peacocks, I think there's a philosophical difference between being genetically programmed to get attention and actually consciously desiring attention. And wanting to look a certain way is not the same as wanting attention at any given moment from whoever.
Yes. Dying your hair crazy colors will get you attention. But it doesn't mean that you dyed your hair because you wanted attention.
If my dog goes too far away, I will shout its name very loud so it hears me and comes back to me.
Doing this will inevitably draw the attention of most of the people around me. But that was not my intention though, I just wanted the attention of my dog. The attention of the other people is just an unavoidable side effect. It may even be an unwanted side effect.
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FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 103 pts · 37d
Never thought about this before but in what way is she a punk if she isn't rebelling against at least one thing?
zikzak025@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 37d
Maybe she's just rebelling against the idea of rebellion itself.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 37d
Being punk against punk is just ska.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 37d
Only if she also plays a brass instrument and/or tolerates someone doing so near her.
lolrightythen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
The math girl probably has one
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 35d
Asian kids are forced to learn a string instrument only violin, cello, classical guitar or piano.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 37d
She's so punk she circled around to being conformist!
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 37d
#normcore
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
Anacyclosis
BloodMuffin@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 37d
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
"Donate money to the machine."
markz@suppo.fi · 26 pts · 37d
And I just noticed that number 3's crazy hair color is just black.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Haha, yeah, but i guess she did that because too many people were hitting on her?
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 37d
Plot twist: her natural hair color is "several"
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 37d
She got confused and misspelled 'poser'.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 37d
I'll just concile myself by saying she meant punk fashion sense. She loves punk fashion sense but also loves the government and would never ever ever rebel against it. Her dad's a policeman and her mom's a school principal.
edit: CONSOLE. i get so many english words wrong recently.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 37d
Yeah... 'punk' is an actual lifestyle, maybe you could say an ideology, or parts of an ideology, or a framework for ideology.
When you just wear it as a costume, you're not only missing the point, you're disposing of the meaning the style is supposed to signify... you're gentrifying a concept, and very likely commodifying it.
Now of course I don't expect every young person, young adult to ... grasp all of that... would be very stupid to 'well ackshually' some kid just trying to express themselves as unique, in some way.
But maybe, hopefully, some of em will read this, and it'll spur them to look into the actual history, the actual ideas... realize that how you live is incredibly more important than what you look like, while doing so.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 36d
Yea and I don't even get what appeals someone to the aesthetic if they're not rebellious.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 37d
I despise her so much.
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
I'm so angry at her that I can't breathe.
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 37d
I can see why Rai likes you.
DaGreenGobbo@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 36d
And you misspelt "poseur" ;)
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 36d
And you misspelled 'The' ;)
kboos1@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 37d
Yeah it's a dumb meme. 1 & 3 are clearly claiming false persecution for sympathy, because the way you present yourself is the way you wish to be perceived and obviously gaslighting. 2 is hard racism.
It only works to poke fun at the irony of a stupid premise because only one of these things is a real issue.
fushuan@piefed.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 37d
1 is the only one that doesn't make sense.
3 though... I want to be perceived as someone with fantasy coloured hair, you are right. Why are you making the equivalence of crazy colours -> attention seeking person?
That's what the image is denouncing, and you are criticising the 3rd image, so that's the equivalence that you are supporting with your comment.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
Out of curiosity, because I wish to understand your reasoning. What you're saying that even though they wish to dye their hair in unique bright fantasy colors that they wish to remain anonymous and inconspicuous in public. Logically that seems like the opposite. If I also like having unique colored hair then I should ignore that we have something in common and not draw attention to it?
Please take no offense, I genuinely want to know your reasoning.
petrol_sniff_king@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 37d
I think you might be confusing a few things?
It's not that it's done for no attention whatsoever, it's that the phrase "they're just doing this for attention" is a way that people dismiss each other, and ironically, over-fixate on people who just want to pay for their groceries and leave, you know?
By being fashionable in socially unapproved ways, people will assume you're being vain as a euphemism for their relative disgust, and vanity loses you a lot of social capital—aura, basically. They'll rather think of you as prissy than serious.
But you can comment on a person's hair if you like it, same as you would a band t-shirt for a group you both like.
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 2 pts · 36d
Yeah, That statement suggests I can't do anything outside of the broadest of accepted pop culture for me, it has to be because I am desperately seeking attention to fill some sort of deficit in my life.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 37d
cosmos8188@leminal.space · 1 pts · 37d
I think you missed the point on 2.
kboos1@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
In what way? Seems racist to me.
ickplant@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 37d
This is a very valid question.
candyman337@piefed.ca · 73 pts · 37d
The commodification and commercialization of punk culture is a tragedy. BY DEFINITION if you're punk you are rebelling, it's not just a clothing style.
cosmos8188@leminal.space · 25 pts · 37d
I agree, thats what being punk is all about. This ain't a stereotype but the essence of punk, so this meme/picture template isnt even true.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 36d
It's so bad. I hate this meme template.
SaraTonin@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 37d
Also, the crazy colours girl has black hair
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 3 pts · 37d
btw this is a great moment to recommend chikoi the maid artist.
also punk is about expressing sadness and grief which this track manages to do for me.
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 37d
Um, if you're punk, you actually do have to rebel. It's not about wearing jackets with band patches.
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 36d
Maybe they are confusing being a punk with liking punk music? There is still a huge overlap
expatriado@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 37d
i thought punk was pretty much rebel by definition
sidebro@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 37d
Maybe that's what she's rebelling about
markz@suppo.fi · 8 pts · 37d
I was going to dismiss her as a poser, but I like the idea of multiple layers of
ironypunk.punk²
cosmos8188@leminal.space · 3 pts · 37d
Yes, but I guess people want punk version 2 now, judging by this image.
thepig@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 37d
itrealgood@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 37d
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 37d
But why are they flying towards the lamp? They don't fly towards the sun. Or are they flying around the lamp? I'm confused
thepig@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 37d
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 37d
You just turned a regular moth month into moth education month.
Seriously, thank you! It makes a lot of sense now
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 1 pts · 37d
light isn't always up btw. it can also be down a reflection in the water, e.g. moonlight.
thepig@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 36d
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 37d
Girl at the top right is clearly French.
Elechicken@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 37d
I wear a beret so I must be French
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 37d
I have no beret yet I must mime
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
I don't see no baguette
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
She eats cheese and drinks wiiiiine!
gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org · 10 pts · 37d
i have no mouth and i must scream
knexcar@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
I am a mouth and I must sing
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 37d
This is the third moth post I've seen in under 24hrs. Is it moth month or something? What did I miss?
ickplant@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 37d
We serve the LÄMP, bröther.
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 37d
Every month is moth month if you month your moth
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 37d
Janx@piefed.social · 4 pts · 37d
Do you really love the lamp, or are you just saying it because you saw it?
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online · 7 pts · 36d
Capitalism is so good at absorbing all critiques of itself into itself. Punk is rebellion. Turning punk into a fashion trend got rid of all it's teeth.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 5 pts · 37d
"I'm a furry, so I must be a zoophile."
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 36d
The punk and moth aren't stereotypes; they are biologically compelled.
PieMePlenty@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 36d
Ahh yes LAMP... Linux, Apache, MySQL, and PHP. The software bundle that every high school kid installs when embarking on their journey to web development. I doubt its as popular as it used to be back in them days. WAMP particularly made it easy to get a website going. Sure does bring me back.
Etterra@discuss.online · 5 pts · 36d
I think that kid in the bottom left has bypassed the number of useless belts that are acceptable to wear without looking silly.
Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
zalgotext@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 36d
Ah yes, Lulu was the greatest work of Nomura's belt era
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 36d
Come sit with gramps by the fire and let me tell you about a little time we called the early 2000s...
Etterra@discuss.online · 1 pts · 35d
I was there dude, in my twenties, and it was dumb then too lol. At least hang a sword from one of those damn things, at least then you'd be vaguely interesting.
lemmysmash@piefed.social · 4 pts · 36d
FudgyMcTubbs@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 36d
Slap!
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 37d
Wouldn't dyeing your hair a color that stands out and immediately gets noticed be for attention?
I mean, its like saying peacocks have their feathers like that not to get attention. Or colorful birds do it to not be noticed. It doesn't really make sense.
Maybe like, just want attention on my hair and not the rest of every part of my personality? Idk its weird though because every single thing we do to our outward appearance is for the attention of others around us whether sexually socially or whatever.
I'm a dude so maybe a little different but if I dyed my hair bright blue or pink then you can bet on it getting attention. And when asked whey I did and I'd say "oh man I didn't want anyone to notice!" People would rightfully call me out on that being bullshit.
Its ok to want the attention of fellow humans around you as long as you aren't manipulative about it. But to do it and seek it out and then act like its bothersome you are getting attention for it is strange behavior.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 37d
This is where the disconnect is for you.
People can want to alter their appearance for their own reasons that have nothing to do with socialization. Sometimes it's just because they want to treat themselves, try something new, or just feel good about how they look.
Danquebec@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 36d
While I think that caring about how you look is not the same as "attention seeking", I think that "feeling good about you look" is still related to socialization.
If we didn't care whatsoever about others, we wouldn't have any reason to care about how we look. It doesn't have to be consciously thought like "if I do that, I'll be more attractive to the other sex" or "if I wear this, my tribe will recognize me like one of theirs". But feeling good about your appearance is still, in a roundabout way, about socialization, I think.
When I look in the mirror and see myself with my long hair (as a man), my metal band shirt and a wristband with norse symbols, I feel great about myself. But I think it's not random coincidence that I happen to be really into metal.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 37d
As a kid I thought about dyeing my hair one day because hair-dyeing and gay culture were big, and i definitely wouldn't have been doing it "for attention" - rather just to see how it looks, and in case it looks better than my natural hair colour.
I don't think people like looking better for the sake of more attention, but rather to be perceived better when they do get noticed, which hopefully continues to happen at the same rate.
People tend to think in terms of "how will my current social circle respond to this change"
They have their feathers like thst because they're born with it. Because of natural selection. Humans make cosmetic changes which are not related to genetics.
This can help with getting "naturally selected," but people also present themselves for work reasons, status signalling, signalling role specialisation, religious belief or other philosophy, fandom (which i'd ssy falls into philosophy or religion).
So the last 3 of those - roles, religion, fandom - might in some way help to stand out to mates seeking those traits or beliefs, but aren't primarily for that.
The former 3 are more about integrating and socialising with others, not about attracting mates.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 37d
I know a muslim woman who fully covers her hair with hijab in public and still colors a few select strands red if that introduces any new perspectives.
gray@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 37d
Besides humans not being peacocks, I think there's a philosophical difference between being genetically programmed to get attention and actually consciously desiring attention. And wanting to look a certain way is not the same as wanting attention at any given moment from whoever.
calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 37d
Yes. Dying your hair crazy colors will get you attention. But it doesn't mean that you dyed your hair because you wanted attention.
If my dog goes too far away, I will shout its name very loud so it hears me and comes back to me.
Doing this will inevitably draw the attention of most of the people around me. But that was not my intention though, I just wanted the attention of my dog. The attention of the other people is just an unavoidable side effect. It may even be an unwanted side effect.
wowwoweowza@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 36d
Does not dye hair crazy colors. Not the day this photo was taken at least.
Leviathan@fedinsfw.app · 2 pts · 35d
I don't like the word "Poser" much but that's like the definition of posing as a punk, right?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -6 pts · 37d
They didn't even spell colors or math right.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 37d
British spelling.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -5 pts · 37d
Color does not rhyme with flour so one of them needs different spelling.
Math is short for arethmathicalism.
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 37d
Congratulations, this is the stupidest rationalization I've ever heard for this. Language isn't that systematic, especially English spelling
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · -5 pts · 37d
Everybody bitches about how bad english is but then they bitch harder when a certified genius tries to fix it 🙄
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 37d
Wow, you even topped your last comment
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 37d
Thank you.
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 37d
What ever
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 37d
How about four, pour, your?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 37d
All rhyme with each other but not color.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 37d
That's some fine shitpost commenting, lol
slackassassin@piefed.social · 2 pts · 37d
I can't believe all the bait gobblers out here feasting shitpost.
ptu@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 36d
Yes, so how should we spell them?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 0 pts · 36d
replace the u with a w