@owenfromcanada it's such a low risk principle. If they break on this imagine what other things they break on. Completely untrustworthy and incompetent organization.
*most humans dont care. I'd say 90% have zero clue of the fediverse, and do not realize why big tech centralization is horrendous for humanity.
Tell me how many folks have converted to Lemmy or matrix or peertube from their corpo counterparts. Of my hundreds of fb friends, I have 2 that I had to basically twist their arm to use signal. 2. The rest go "oh haha idk what that is maybe I'll look at it but everyone is already on fb I can't leave".
Its a losing battle and I've basically stopped trying. People refuse to change and will give all their info and data away without a thought.
Basically, yes. That's why the issue is with lawmakers, and going to shitty platforms with the excuse of "it's to reach the people there" is like when "left" parties shift to the far right to try to reach their voters base.
Sorry but your comment is rather silly. You want to see this change on a legislative level? Okay sure, so do I, that would be great. But you also don't want to reach out to people so that they care to make the change? Either because they culturally care or to write their reps. You should realize that those are connected and its why my fellow lemms don't get to make real change as they not pragmatic about results.
I understand why you and others here feel that way. You are not wrong, but you are also implicitly surrendering your cause without firing a shot.
The people that understand are already here. The people that need to hear this are on Reddit/Twitter. Granted many don't care. Just as many also don't know to care one way or the other. By not reaching out to where they could be they will never know and become your ally. Therefore you have surrendered your cause as no one knew they could join it.
People have been screaming about these things for decades.
What was before coming from lack of awareness, is now caused by an increasingly wide gap between "sides" and it's becoming an ideological war.
The ones that are not convinced by now, are convinced by the opposite side and aren't going to switch. We need to stop thinking that we need to increase our numbers or whatever, and just act. Let's not fool ourselves, a handful of moronic nazis able to change the world for the worst, it doesn't take that many people to actually change stuff. It just requires stubbornness.
@InternetCitizen2@owenfromcanada and to whom are they evangelizing on twitter? I'd genuinely like to see their growth campaign here because 100$ says it's non-existent.
I have personally done twitter growth in the past and there's nothing there unless you're selling scams or shitcoins.
If us Lemmy/Mastodon users want more people, we could do our own "marketing" by creating engagement rage bait conversations on those posts ... But do we want to? Probably not.
With the advent of LLM, we could (or even just a few of us, given the knowledge base of our atypical users) just start promoting our communities more aggressively on other platforms, and include onboarding tutorials and assistance.
But, I'm not going to be on the tip of that spear. I have other stuff going on lol.
Why the fuck did they think coming back was a good idea? The internet is changing for the worse and xitter is one of the places that is making it worse, abandoning that shithole is a step into making things better
"the internet is changing" like all of a sudden neonazi techbros and their platform where they make genAI child porn are cool and okay again, according to Mozilla. absolutely bonkers shit take
Did a reinstall recently and noticed you can no longer delete the FAANG search engines from the browser, now you can only toggle them off. Made all the worse by a fun little pop-up with the redesign saying "Same settings, new look".
Google funds fascist political campaigns and I don't think Mozilla does. Seems worse to me than using shitter. And it doesn't matter if you are using another chromium fork, Google is still getting more power to control web standards if you use a browser based on theirs.
You can donate to Mozilla , but those donations will not be used for Firefox development (no developer salaries, etc). Firefox is developed by a for-profit that only takes money through sponsorship deals like the Google search partnership. Your donations are used for everything else, including tens of millions of dollars of AI venture capital grants for example.
I cannot ultimately make all my decisions based on angry-ex-reddit-moderators-with-axes-to-grind's comments.
Is your contention that more of mozilla's funding should come from google? Do you use a chromium browser? I hardly see how you're helping by trying to shame me for doing something I believe helps the world a teensy bit.
@TrickDacy No, my contention is that if Mozilla wants people to contribute to their cause, they shouldn't stomp on the people that support their cause.
Otherwise, other people can support whatever their new cause is - since it isn't compatible with what their stated cause is.
PS: No I don't use a Chromium browser. Shockingly, I still care about the open web.
@recurse@Kenny2999 I moved to Librewolf. You need to disable some of the privacy nerdery if you aren't a privacy nerd - otherwise, it is basically Firefox.
"Funny" how in many sites like that one, one can only "like" or "heart", but there's no possibility of "dislike". It's full Orwell's 1984 and Newspeak on those sites β and spreading everywhere really.
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owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 176 pts · 34d
"We've decided to mingle with Nazis again"
It's important to use clear language.
wraptile@fosstodon.org · 37 pts · 34d
@owenfromcanada it's such a low risk principle. If they break on this imagine what other things they break on. Completely untrustworthy and incompetent organization.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
Idk it depends. Can't evangelize the better way here because we know, those at X might not. FOSS is still a niche.
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 34d
Those at X don't care.
bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 34d
*most humans dont care. I'd say 90% have zero clue of the fediverse, and do not realize why big tech centralization is horrendous for humanity.
Tell me how many folks have converted to Lemmy or matrix or peertube from their corpo counterparts. Of my hundreds of fb friends, I have 2 that I had to basically twist their arm to use signal. 2. The rest go "oh haha idk what that is maybe I'll look at it but everyone is already on fb I can't leave".
Its a losing battle and I've basically stopped trying. People refuse to change and will give all their info and data away without a thought.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 34d
Pretty much. We're out in our own little bubble here. Which is both good and bad.
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
Basically, yes. That's why the issue is with lawmakers, and going to shitty platforms with the excuse of "it's to reach the people there" is like when "left" parties shift to the far right to try to reach their voters base.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
Sorry but your comment is rather silly. You want to see this change on a legislative level? Okay sure, so do I, that would be great. But you also don't want to reach out to people so that they care to make the change? Either because they culturally care or to write their reps. You should realize that those are connected and its why my fellow lemms don't get to make real change as they not pragmatic about results.
I understand why you and others here feel that way. You are not wrong, but you are also implicitly surrendering your cause without firing a shot.
The people that understand are already here. The people that need to hear this are on Reddit/Twitter. Granted many don't care. Just as many also don't know to care one way or the other. By not reaching out to where they could be they will never know and become your ally. Therefore you have surrendered your cause as no one knew they could join it.
Solumbran@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
People have been screaming about these things for decades.
What was before coming from lack of awareness, is now caused by an increasingly wide gap between "sides" and it's becoming an ideological war.
The ones that are not convinced by now, are convinced by the opposite side and aren't going to switch. We need to stop thinking that we need to increase our numbers or whatever, and just act. Let's not fool ourselves, a handful of moronic nazis able to change the world for the worst, it doesn't take that many people to actually change stuff. It just requires stubbornness.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
True. Guess what tho, not everyone heard you then and there are new people today that have not heard.
wraptile@fosstodon.org · 12 pts · 34d
@InternetCitizen2 @owenfromcanada and to whom are they evangelizing on twitter? I'd genuinely like to see their growth campaign here because 100$ says it's non-existent.
I have personally done twitter growth in the past and there's nothing there unless you're selling scams or shitcoins.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 34d
Most ppl know about twt/reddit not mastodon or Lemmy. That's where newer users will be and you can drop comments to let them know about us here.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
If us Lemmy/Mastodon users want more people, we could do our own "marketing" by creating engagement rage bait conversations on those posts ... But do we want to? Probably not.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
Fair, but then we can't complain about why the internet is becoming less open.
zarathustrad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
It's a legit argument either way honestly.
With the advent of LLM, we could (or even just a few of us, given the knowledge base of our atypical users) just start promoting our communities more aggressively on other platforms, and include onboarding tutorials and assistance.
But, I'm not going to be on the tip of that spear. I have other stuff going on lol.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 67 pts · 34d
Why the fuck did they think coming back was a good idea? The internet is changing for the worse and xitter is one of the places that is making it worse, abandoning that shithole is a step into making things better
DeLancre@piefed.social · 16 pts · 34d
Money. It's always money.
TemplaerDude@sh.itjust.works · 62 pts · 34d
Itβs one thing to continue using the fascism pedophile app. Itβs something else to leave and come back.
XLE@piefed.social · 30 pts · 34d
To come back by practically apologizing!
Carighan@piefed.world · 4 pts · 34d
Yeah if the only reason they came back were daily doodles of a firefox pissing on Trump or Musk that'd be fine, but they're not doing that!
volore@scribe.disroot.org · 28 pts · 34d
"the internet is changing" like all of a sudden neonazi techbros and their platform where they make genAI child porn are cool and okay again, according to Mozilla. absolutely bonkers shit take
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 34d
Man mozilla is so embarrassing these days.
chortle_tortle@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 33d
Did a reinstall recently and noticed you can no longer delete the FAANG search engines from the browser, now you can only toggle them off. Made all the worse by a fun little pop-up with the redesign saying "Same settings, new look".
So depressing watching them enshitify.
sidebro@lemmy.zip · 31 pts · 34d
Why do they always seem so out of touch, it saddens me
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 34d
What? Theyβre still run by the AI child porn generating nazis.
purplerabbit@piefed.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 34d
I guess Mozilla didn't like seeing Mullvad get all the attention for supporting fascists, they had to do something!
fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 33d
What did Mullvad do?
ooterness@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 33d
One of their co-founders gave a huge donation to a far-right party in Sweden--72% of the party's donations for 2025.
fantasyocean@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 33d
Disappointing, but yet another reminder that corporations are not your friends
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 22 pts · 34d
booooo fuck the site formerly known as Twitter.
ordnance_qf_17_pounder@reddthat.com · 22 pts · 34d
Usage of ε is approval of it. Embarrassing.
StillAlive@piefed.world · 9 pts · 34d
Why are you bringing Hindus into this?
tisktisk@piefed.social · 3 pts · 34d
Why is everyone acting like they've never seen a ninja-star?!?!
bluGill@fedia.io · 18 pts · 34d
@wraptile@fosstodon.org Wayland is the future, stop flirting with X, it is dead dead dead!
DeLancre@piefed.social · 5 pts · 34d
I lol'ed, thank you.
Marthirial@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 34d
They are positioning to inject CSAM generator Grok in the browser.
skittle07crusher@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 33d
not even gonna read the other comments, because
WHAT THE FUCK FIREFOX/MOZILLA
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 33d
Great, they finish ripping MV2 out of chrome and here's firefox ready to be whatever the fuck they want with impunity
cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 34d
Why do people still use Xitter
hal_5700X@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 33d
It's the biggest social media site in the world.
Kenny2999@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 34d
Oh well. Uninstall and move on. 'Twas a good run.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 34d
Google funds fascist political campaigns and I don't think Mozilla does. Seems worse to me than using shitter. And it doesn't matter if you are using another chromium fork, Google is still getting more power to control web standards if you use a browser based on theirs.
XLE@piefed.social · 2 pts · 34d
And Google funds Firefox, to the tune of basically their entire budget. They don't take individual donations.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 34d
I literally donate to Mozilla every month, so...
Is the point that you should go ahead and use chrome because Mozilla currently has a shitty funding model?
XLE@piefed.social · 5 pts · 34d
You can donate to Mozilla , but those donations will not be used for Firefox development (no developer salaries, etc). Firefox is developed by a for-profit that only takes money through sponsorship deals like the Google search partnership. Your donations are used for everything else, including tens of millions of dollars of AI venture capital grants for example.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
Okay, well assuming that is true, I'm not entirely sure what to do with that information. I ask again,
XLE@piefed.social · 1 pts · 34d
Heavens no. Use a fork, and probably don't donate to Mozilla unless you agree with how they're spending your donations (i.e. not Firefox).
I'd use Firefox over Chrome no question, but I'd use a decent fork of Chrome before Firefox.
yoasif@mastodon.social · 3 pts · 34d
@XLE @TrickDacy I wouldn't use a Chrome fork over Firefox, but I would also disable all data collection in Firefox.
Just the browser, please.
yoasif@mastodon.social · -1 pts · 34d
@TrickDacy @XLE I mean, why are you giving them money?
They are openly spitting in people's faces: https://www.quippd.com/writing/2025/11/27/thank-mozilla-for-killing-localization-on-support-mozilla-and-replacing-human-contributions-with-AI-bots.html
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
Two reasons:
Is your contention that more of mozilla's funding should come from google? Do you use a chromium browser? I hardly see how you're helping by trying to shame me for doing something I believe helps the world a teensy bit.
yoasif@mastodon.social · 4 pts · 34d
@TrickDacy No, my contention is that if Mozilla wants people to contribute to their cause, they shouldn't stomp on the people that support their cause.
Otherwise, other people can support whatever their new cause is - since it isn't compatible with what their stated cause is.
PS: No I don't use a Chromium browser. Shockingly, I still care about the open web.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 34d
Alright then. FYI, This sounds much more reasonable (especially in tone) than that first comment.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 33d
That is your first mistake. Many lemms live to do that. Particularly in the
.mlside.TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 33d
Yeah it's pretty much the fundamental problem with society, if you get down to it.
recurse@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 34d
Any recommendations for an open source alternative? This might be the final straw for me as wellβ¦
yoasif@mastodon.social · 3 pts · 34d
@recurse @Kenny2999 I moved to Librewolf. You need to disable some of the privacy nerdery if you aren't a privacy nerd - otherwise, it is basically Firefox.
_fryerDan@sh.itjust.works · -19 pts · 34d
tbh, chromium is better anyway. i had to switch to that for work stuff and its been blowing ff out of the water
menixator@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 33d
Please donate to mozilla so that they can buy a spine.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 34d
Didn't they install some facebook suckholes to be in charge fairly recently?
I forget.
58008@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 33d
The pally way they've been replying to obvious nazi accounts is so disturbing.
kevinrns@mstdn.social · 2 pts · 33d
@58008 @wraptile
Screen shots, but no links.
pglpm@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 33d
"Funny" how in many sites like that one, one can only "like" or "heart", but there's no possibility of "dislike". It's full Orwell's 1984 and Newspeak on those sites β and spreading everywhere really.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 34d
I wonder if they'd be better off if Mozilla starts selling VPN, DNS, mail, drive and LLM services akin to Proton.
4am@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 34d
Good news, we can answer that.
Among other things, they joined X again
D1re_W0lf@piefed.social · 2 pts · 33d
Deletes Firefox from laptop, phone and tablet and replaces with Vivaldi. Fire who? I barely new him.
yoasif@mastodon.social · 3 pts · 33d
@D1re_W0lf @wraptile Vivaldi never left X.
aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 32d
nothing has changed on twitter since they left, only worse, why
thepurplepope@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 33d
shame!