The process

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huppakee@lemmy.world · 119 pts · 2d (14 replies)

You forgot the step where the os/app again asks if you want to subscribe to premium and you again tell it to remind you later, because never ask me again isn't an option anymore.

lena@gregtech.eu · 71 pts · 2d (11 replies)

As Louis Rossmann said, the developers have a rapist mentality. They don't understand consent and believe they have a god-given right to your data.

atomicbocks@sh.itjust.works · 41 pts · 2d (1 reply)

It’s not the developers, it’s the assholes in charge that have an MBA (masters of business administration). Modern MBAs literally teach that it’s not their money it’s your money and they’re just an obstacle to it, and they apply that mentality to literally everything.

lena@gregtech.eu · 7 pts · 2d

First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 23 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Honestly, at first I thought the expression was perhaps a bit too harsh. Then the Epstein files came out and I now completely agree with the comparison

Funkt4st1c@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Theres literally no option to say no, and if you say yes once you can never take it back.

I understand the stakes are significantly lower and that rapists arent under the same vampire-entering-your-house rules, but its actually a very accurate and eye-opening analogy

Martineski@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 2d

Often "no" doesn't really mean anything anyway and they proceed with their thing.

WillFord27@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

I remember when DarkViperAU got into huge shit over this sort of phrasing

lena@gregtech.eu · 2 pts · 2d

Who's that?

stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d (3 replies)

Hard disagree, its not the developers who make these ideas, they just have to build them to keep their job.

lena@gregtech.eu · -1 pts · 1d (2 replies)
stopforgettingit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Understood like a true MBA, congrats.

lena@gregtech.eu · 1 pts · 1d

Wdym? Why the downvote?

binarytobis@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 2d

Does Apple understand consent?

  • Yes.
  • Ask me again later.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d

I’ll sooner straight iron the wrinkles out of my balls than to pay for YouTube premium

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 75 pts · 2d (6 replies)

Turn on my computer, boots super fast. Log in, I'm ready to compute in under a second. No AI in my face.

Thank you Linux.

RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 2d (4 replies)

Linus could do something funny and embed a copy of bonzi buddy with a tux skin in the kernel.

cyberpunk007@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d (3 replies)

Then maintainers would not add that to their distro or you could easily recompile your kernel without it.

Thassodar@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Linux noob: is recompiling your kernel a time consuming task?

pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d

5 minutes, 26 seconds. Arguably faster than a single Windows update installs.

https://openbenchmarking.org/test/pts/build-linux-kernel

over_clox@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d

The last time I had to recompile the Linux kernel was around 2013 or so, and it only took about the time it takes to go take a piss then go smoke a joint.

I'm a patient penguin...

Only gotta do it once for driver issues right?

Maybe? Right?

🐧

m3t00@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d

add fortune; to .bashrc for occasional laughs.

Malyca@lemmy.zip · 40 pts · 2d (2 replies)

Only for them to mysteriously change back after

slazer2au@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Well yea, you turned off the toggle in settings -> advanced features where as this new setting is a dropdown in user profile -> personalisation its a 100% different setting with no relation to the old one.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 2d

Wow, these Linux users just make up problems instead of simply asking AI for the latest solution every time.

Akasazh@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 2d

My Computer

But is it really?

justsomeguy@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 2d

Called the vet clinic with an emergency the other day. Instead of a human there was an AI calling itself "Emma" on the phone. It asked me about the symptoms so I was listing them. It replied "Is your cat puking too or only october?"

FUCK OUT OF MY FACE

LadyMeow@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Good news, I’m using AI to make an AI driven piece of software to turn off all the AI for you!!!

SatyrSack@quokk.au · 28 pts · 2d

MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 2d (4 replies)

Click link to website

Remove popup for their shitty app

Deny cookies

Halfway through paywall pops up

Never visit website again

OwOarchist@pawb.social · 4 pts · 2d

*laughs in noscript*

mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d

I also add them to my pihole blocklist if I'm not feeling lazy

chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

I hate the ads and tracking too, but I don't think "not visiting them ever again" is a real punishment for them if you bypass all the things that make your visit profitable to them.

"Oh no - all these users who don't make us any money refuse to tax our servers with their bandwidth. The horror!"

late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 1d

They never claimed they do it to punish website owners though. I see it as them having found the experience annoying enough to opt out from using the service altogether

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 2d (20 replies)

This isn't funny. This is sad AF. It's 1984 irl.

OwOarchist@pawb.social · 16 pts · 2d (9 replies)

Embrace the penguin. Finally say goodbye to updates that make your computer worse.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 2d (8 replies)

Yeah it's great we have that alternative, but it's sad AF it's pushed down our throats while no one is asking for it. Whether we have an alternative or not, it's just fucking disgusting something that was great and built for the users now changed to fuck the users for corporate gain. This goes for games, movies and series, cars, all sorts of machines like fridges and washing machines, software, almost the entire internet, basically most things you own, or used to own but now are cloud based and now prescription based. It's a total dystopia where corporations take control exponentially and start to push people into slavery. Nice to have Linux but how long until Google forces DRM's on websites so you're only able to use chrome to open sites on their servers. And what about PC hardware that's starting to implement AI into it. And that's just an example. How many options we have for browsing, I mean, we have Firefox right? But they are turning more evil too now. The evil corps are closing the gaps on independancy, privacy, diversity and ownership.

AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d

We just don't have enough penguins...

OwOarchist@pawb.social · -3 pts · 2d (6 replies)

Yeah it’s great we have that alternative, but it’s sad AF it’s pushed down our throats while no one is asking for it.

If you want it to stop being pushed down your throat, you've got to stop sucking corpo dick.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d (5 replies)

How though? Even our public transportation is a big corpo stealing our data, raising prices and adding shitty features no one asks for. Same with cars and e-bikes. "Then get a older car" you say, but they aren't allowed in my city anymore due to pollution. So I should just always walk? Same shit with my social housing corp, energy supplier, internet provider, phone provider. And even the grocery stores, they are all gettinf fucked up out of corporate greed. So should I go live out on the streets then, close my bank account, live on food out of trash cans? Yeah, that's going to be awesome, no more sucking corporate dick. Hoping the salvation army won't turn evil too.

Or do you think that by installing Linux on your PC means you're free of sucking any corporate dick? I'm a Linux fan but I'm not ignorant.

Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 1d (4 replies)

I have bad news. The Salvation Army has a history of anti LGBTQ activism and discrimination globally.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1d (3 replies)

Well there ya go.

Yeah, it's a Christian institute with strict Christian values. There's one in the street behind my house. But at least they are helping the homeless. Although not equally. But it's more than most do.

kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d

They've been known to let trans people freeze to death on the steps of their shelters. The Starvation Army is beyond fucked, and has been for a looong time.

Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 21h

Well thankfully there are usually many locally owned, secular thrift stores. Goodwill and Salvation Army both suck but the small ones don't have that baggage.

BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d (9 replies)

How is it 1984 IRL?

The ruling powers in 1984 are sadistically oppressing the people. With seemingly no other point to it, than oppressing and tormenting on a mass scale. The whole point of the surveillance in 1984 was to oppress, the surveillance was secondary. I'm not saying that we can't draw parallels, and some can probably be made without too much mental gymnastics, but it's not like 1984 1:1, not even close.

TigerAce@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Making people not own anything anymore while stealing all their data and forcing shit into them while making them pay monthly fees which increase constantly to bleed people dry, is not sadistic and oppressing? While at the same time taking control of governments by paying off corrupt politicians to change rules to make more money at the cost of safely, environment and freedom of people? Maybe the only difference is that the reason to torment and oppress is to gain money and power. But is that different to 1984? It's how regimes maintain power. Make the people weak enough so they can't do anything against you but make them not weak enough to work for you.

AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h

A lot of what you say resonates with me. I wish people who feel this way could just all move somewhere or something. But even if we could I'm sure it would just get bombed like Tulsa did.

I wonder what would happen if we all stopped using cell phones and laptops. Stopped really driving anywhere or buying things. I'm sure it's quite impossible for some. But we can always say no in some way or another. I wonder how bad it would have to get before people seriously think that the Amish lifestyle is preferable.

kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d

-- They posted from their smartphone/laptop that has a camera pointed directly at their face

pilferjinx@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1d

You bet your ass it'll be getting relatively sadistic if our governments become full dictatorships. They just end up being control systems for the sake of control, losing its foundational origins. There are plenty of countries that disappear dissenters and subject its people to 1984 style torture/re-eduction camps.

Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 2d (4 replies)

Do you mean AI companies are not using AI mostly to oppress other forms of thinking?

(Disclaimer: I do not share this opinion)

BigDanishGuy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Do you mean AI companies are not using AI mostly to oppress other forms of thinking?

I think it's the goal for some companies. I'm not sure that it is happening yet. Not for a lack of trying. I mean grok is supposed to be very friendly to Musk agenda of the day, but appear to be uncontrollable in regards to facts vs opinion.

(Disclaimer: I do not share this opinion)

I don't think I do either, IDK. It's not a hill I'm about to die on, I'm hardly even prepared to play yahtzee for this hill.

What I opined to was the invocation of 1984 as soon as something can be used as surveillance. Because people who do this have either never read the book, or they've read the cover when visiting someone, who just happened to have a copy laying casually on their coffee table.

My problem is that spying isn't the main purpose of the surveillance in 1984. The main purpose is to ensure people know they're under surveillance, and make sure that nobody not feel oppressed. And while I dislike AI in everything, I don't believe that AI was introduced to hurt me or most other people.

kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d

And while I dislike AI in everything, I don’t believe that AI was introduced to hurt me or most other people.

Then why are they losing money on it while it pollutes inordinately and denies people access to information? AI is basically signal jamming the entire internet, at great expense, with no actual path to profitability. They're certainly not doing it to make money, because as it stands they're all losing money right now. Oppression, in the form of information denial, and regulation of communication, appears to be the primary goal.

kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d (1 reply)

I mean, what do you call Grok attempting to rewrite Wikipedia to make it more conservative?

Goodlucksil@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d

A fool's errand

bold_omi@lemmy.today · 17 pts · 2d

Save yourself from that first bit by using GNU/Linux.

axh@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d

Wait? You are able to disable the AI feature without dismissing the tutorial first?!?

Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Switch to Linux and you won't deal with any of that.

OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Okay then you convince my multi billion dollar international company to switch. No? Then let us have our jokes ffs

Zephyr@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d

It's happening slowly. Many EU governments are switching or thinking about it

homoludens@feddit.org · 12 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Can't you instruct OpenClaw to do that for you?

thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d

🤣🤣🤣🤣

bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 2d

Yep. I won't touch your shitty diamond butthole ai logos. I puke the second I see it. Disable it all. When I can't disable it it goes in the trash.

chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 2d (1 reply)

If you wait until you accidentally use the AI feature before turning it back off, they get to report a higher percentage of user engagement.

huppakee@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d

"Chat, what's the easiest way to remove your presence from my experience?"

BenevolentOne@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 2d (1 reply)

Consumer mentality. Your only choice is to eat or not eat.

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d

Ah, you're likely referring to The whiney asshats that gave up all effort of making executive decisions in their life... but they aren't the ones complaining. They don't see someone taking away all their agency and advocacy as a problem as they errode into laziness and impatience.

minty@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 2d

Ive successfuly eliminated AI/chat bots completely out of my personal life. It was far far too much work. Well not that much, but if someone is tech illiterate its gonna be hard. Which unfortuntely is large swaths of the population.

Got a new email address with a provider that doesnt use AI, and also got the thunderbird client. Also changing the default search engine to no ai duckduckgo. Finally, going to linux so I dont have microsoft banging on about copilot. Well tbh i didnt go because of AI, its just that I liked the look of it and had heard that windows 11 was terrible.

ddplf@szmer.info · 7 pts · 1d

The people actually making use of all of these special AI features must be so very efficient at doing nothing in particular

Smoogs@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d

Linux

epicstove@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 2d

Damn. Corporate hit squad got him mid sentence.

Impractical_Island@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d

I just ate the computer so now the AI bothers me less, despite the indigestion. The heavy metal poisoning is going to be hell though...

Erusset@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 2d

Just ask an ai agent to turn them all off

iocase@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 2d (7 replies)

Nah you're doing it wrong. You write macros to copy paste between all the AI features so they talk to each other all night long while you sleep 😴🛌💤💤

🥹 It costs these idiot companies dozens of dollars per minute if you do it right ❤️ and you're just using it to make live art 😍

I like to generate 50 images of Mario smoking weed just because I can. These AI companies know better than lil ol' me. They surely must be right about their growth projections based on how much people need to generate free images of Mario smoking weed 🥹

fbn@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 2d (6 replies)

great job helping them destroy our planet

hopefully you'll get your reward sooner rather than later

ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 9 pts · 2d (4 replies)

I mean, there is an argument to be made for wrecking the financial models these companies run on by running their subsidized or "free" tiers into the ground. Right now, all of them are kept afloat on nothing but investor speculation, so if the financial results start to sour (further) there's a good chance the whole house of cards folds on this "industry" when those investors back out.

Doing it by creating pictures of Mario smoking weed is perhaps not how I would approach that, though.

fbn@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 2d (3 replies)

their finances need wrecking for sure, but they seem to be doing that well enough on their own

the increased processing is dumping literal tons of pollutants into the atmosphere, our drinking water, and our food supply and wasting our increasingly difficult to obtain fossil fuels, which we need for a bunch of other things like medical supplies and fertilizers for food for the actual real humans that are alive right now

i say all this with no anger or hostility

ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 2d (1 reply)

I think we could consider it a form of eco-terrorism like sabotaging an oil pipeline. It will hurt the ecosystem in the short term, but it hopefully reduces the much larger ecosystem damage the company would've otherwise done in the long term.

late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 1d

It could work in theory as a form of sabotage, but I believe one would need to have great self-restraint to do it correctly.

It's hard to notice the difference when you are

  1. actually hurting AI industry by abusing their free tiers and poisoning training data

  2. you rationalize your AI usage by telling yourself "I am not paying so I am in the clear" because you want to larp as freedom fighter without actually sacrificing any comfort

Both subjectively feel very similar.

So I would rather not risk becoming 2nd case and avoid AI altogether, unless you are some hacktivist who actually knows what they are doing.

iocase@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d

Going easier on the free tier stuff isn't going to speed up their collapse. I was shit posting but it's a genuine tactic people are using to be accelerationists against the AI bubble.

iocase@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2d

I was shit posting, but the faster the bubble pops by undeniable contact with financial reality, the better off we all are. That's less data centers being built, less power plants and gas turbines the sooner it all pops. The longer it goes on the more gets built, and the more that'll rot when these companies go bankrupt from the crash.

corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2d

a software

\facepalm

manxu@piefed.social · 1 pts · 2d

Chat, is it really "Funny" if it is true? 🤔