Almost 38 & This Is Where I'm At Now

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DmMacniel@feddit.org · 89 pts · 13h (3 replies)

So you want to become a librarian?

OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 107 pts · 13h (1 reply)

SSSHHHH not so loud or i'm gonna have to ask you to leave

frog@feddit.uk · 27 pts · 11h

^Great job. I'll keep it down.^

GolfFoxtrotLima@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 8h

I want to be a bookstore employee

Eq0@literature.cafe · 77 pts · 12h (8 replies)

Or: is there a job… where I can just live my life? Like, spend time with friends and doing hobbies and still getting paid?

Trex202@lemmy.world · 71 pts · 12h (2 replies)

You mean... you want to live your life and not add value to someone else's wallet?

chisel@piefed.social · 29 pts · 11h (1 reply)

I for one love to work for soulless schmucks who profit from my labor and make the tough decisions like not giving raises this year.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 9h

"3/5 - Meets Expectations"

yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 11h

Do what you love except hold a camera in your offhand and shout "bro bro honestly like actually what just happened!? Like and subscribe!" Every 30 seconds.

chocrates@piefed.world · 10 pts · 11h (1 reply)

Get independently wealthy. Can you marry someone rich?

Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 6h

Hey wait a minute! I did not said i wanted to meet a woman

Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 10h

Wealthy investor.

qarbone@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 10h

That's just called "being rich." Work duties do include disenfranchizing the poor, with quarterly reviews by peers in the Illuminati though.

So not quite as chill as you might hope from "having no logical fears or needs".

toynbee@piefed.social · 52 pts · 10h (2 replies)

During my first "job," I was too young to be legally employed, so I volunteered at a library with my mom. Initially I worked in one of the back rooms, hidden from the public, helping to scan and sort books put in the return bins. (I discovered several great books by seeing them come back; among them were Dogsbody, Lovely Bones, and Me Talk Pretty One Day. Those are listed alphabetically by title and that wasn't even by design!)

After I volunteered long enough, I was deemed sufficiently experienced to put books on the shelves in the stacks. I was titled a "page" and proudly announced that while attending a LAN party. One of the other attendees of said party said "and if you do that long enough maybe you'll become a full book!" I laughed quite heartily.

If you've never read anything else I wrote here, the post above will probably tell you everything you could possibly want to know about me.

dkppunk@piefed.social · 5 pts · 4h

Man, my first real job was at the library as a student page. That job fucking rocked so much and I wish I could have stayed there forever.

I got to shelve books, play with microfilm and microfiche, and listen to my CDs all day. It was the best job ever.

Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4h

So have you made it to a chapter of your own? :3

the_q@piefed.social · 42 pts · 11h (20 replies)

Librarians require a master's and make like $34k a year.

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 10 pts · 11h (16 replies)

The fuck you need a master's for? The dewy decimal system ain't that hard. 🤨

funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 24 pts · 11h

Because it's meant to be the case that a librarian can help me if I need to join a correlation between etchings of revolutionary France and the poetry of William Blake

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 10h (14 replies)

Because most people who work at the library aren't librarians. Librarians maintain and manage a collection, set up the database, etc etc.

Syltti@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 10h (13 replies)

You certainly don't need a masters just to do that.

Tar_alcaran@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 10h (10 replies)

Managing a collection is not a data-entry job, it requires you to know about stuff. Which book on, say, the middle-saharan 17th century tribes do you get, and which ones don't you get? Is the new one better than the old one? Which old works are to be digitized and which ones aren't?

Also included is actually running the library itself, helping people use it (from little bobby who wants that book about a mole who wants to know who pooped on its head, to a PhD student researching said 17th century tribes and what art they produced). It includes copyright law, information ethics, conservation, etc etc etc.

It's really much more broad than "Someone who works at the local library"

Source: me, someone who once worked at the local library, and seriously considered doing it for a living... untill I saw the effort required and the pay.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 2h (1 reply)

Your library experience was very different from mine. We mostly just told people how to sign up for the wait list for 50 Shades of gray, what programs we did for the kids, and putting away the books everyone left everywhere.

The pay is what scared me away. Branch Manager, highest position I interacted with, couldn't afford their own transportation, and was going through their second green card marriage for money because they were desperate. Had 2 Masters.

Signtist@bookwyr.me · 1 pts · 9m

A lot of jobs are easy on a day-to-day basis, but get hard every once in a while when some edge case comes up and you've gotta have a breadth of background knowledge of the field to handle it effectively. It's why AI seems so useful to middle managers who don't realize that edge cases exist; their employees can handle them without issue, but AI spits out total garbage and calls it done. I'd imagine librarians are indeed dealing with people looking for the latest fad book more often than not, but they still have to be prepared for the person coming in wanting to know all about insect phylogeny.

VAK@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 10h (7 replies)

How would you choose which book to get on middle-saharan 17th century tribes anyway? You can't know about everything. You'd just have to ask a bunch of experts in the field, right?

mandolrain@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 9h (4 replies)

Research skills that you acquire during your master's (incl. but not limited to, talking to other experts)

Viceversa@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 8h

You can talk with other experts without having master's

Agent641@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 8h

Sure, you can ask 10 experts, and get 11 opinions.

Researching books, authors, subjects, and determining which ones are appropriate and which ones aren't is complex stuff.

You would, for example, research the authors prior publishing history of books and journal articles, read peer reviews of their articles, check their references, research the history of the authors of their references ECT to build an idea of what sort of author you're dealing with. Do they know their stuff, or are they just a book mill? Is any of the subject matter contradictory, controversial, out of date, or incomplete. Repeat for 30 books on the same subject to find the most comprehensive work for your collection.

smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 4m

part of librarianship is knowing how to evaluate various books to determine if they're worth acquiring for the collection. So, you'd look at book reviews by experts, ask the professor that teaches that subject if there's anything they'd suggest. You research the author, find out if they're involved in any scandals w.r.t. their research, if they have undisclosed conflicts of interest, what have you.

Yes, that sounds trivial, but there's a lot of things that go into it. Librarianship is mostly knowing how to find, store, and make available information.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 8h

I've been lobbying my office for a person with a Library Sciences degree to help manage our massive archive of Sharepoint files.

"Haha, how hard could it be?" is the sort of thing that gets you stuck with a multi-year long stint in Library Hell. I can say this from personal experience.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h

You don't but it does gatekeep the position. Helps your job security..

applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 8h (2 replies)

does it have to be a masters in librarian? ive got this engineering degree i wouldnt mind using for something a little less corporate.

the_q@piefed.social · 5 pts · 8h

Yup. MLS or MLIS.

smh@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 14m

Yes, but you can work in a library without being a librarian. Check out code4lib. It's a (free online) techie conference with associated slack channel, and it's for folks that, roughly, code for libraries. Tbh, I think the techie route to working in a library is easier than the master's degree. Source: engineering undergrad, have my mslis, work in a library, current position doesn't require an mslis.

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 11h (2 replies)

I had the job shelving books. I'd show up in a button-up shirt and slacks and I could shove all day with no problem at all. No one would bother me. I'd show up in ripped jeans, a Metallica t-shirt, and 4 years since my last haircut and people would ask me for help every moment of the day. Libraries are weird.

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 9h (1 reply)

Good example of outfits sending signals.

Slacks and a button-up probably made you look like management just out picking up slack, and people subconsciously left you alone - "oh, they're probably really busy with management stuff and also had to go shelve books.. I'll leave them alone"

Casual clothes in contrast would have signalled "worker" - "I'll just go ask that person, it's not like they're doing anything important, they're just shelving books!"

FauxPseudo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7h

It probably didn't help that I was a 17-year-old that looked like I was in my late twenties.

gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 12h (1 reply)

I found a nice quiet job in a lab that’s like this. No one fucks with me, some days I’m completely by myself, but the one drawback I’ve discovered is I find myself getting stuck in my own head a lot. Sometimes I have to go find something or someone to distract me.

AmyAye@nord.pub · 9 pts · 11h

Yeah, being alone on the job is not necesarily great. I have worked in a small data center for a large company for like 15 years now. I am the only one in the building many days but it gets quite lonely and boring.

drcobaltjedi@programming.dev · 27 pts · 10h (7 replies)

Buddy of mine was a night janitor during college. I had to help him a few times, and it wasn't a bad gig, run around and vacuum, mop some stuff, take out the trash. Dude listened to music the whole time and basically never saw anyone. Sometimes I kinda want to quit doing software just to do night janitoring.

Viceversa@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 8h (2 replies)

And you can! Chase the dream!

drcobaltjedi@programming.dev · 13 pts · 8h (1 reply)

While it was kinda fun "mindless" work, I just bought a house and need my software developer pay to keep the house.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h
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OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2h (1 reply)

My bro is a dishie and never changed jobs once. I always used to try and push him to study or get into a career and would bang on about having a 'respectable job' - now im fantasising about listening to music while washing dishes all day

drcobaltjedi@programming.dev · 1 pts · 59m

Yeah, at times just having a nice simpler job sounds nice. Not needing to deal with stupid error messages and poorly documented libraries.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h (1 reply)

Why did you need to help him?

drcobaltjedi@programming.dev · 1 pts · 1h

He was one of 2 people that would clean like 4 buildings. Sometimes the other person wouldn't show up (or one time his boss was arrested and given 22 years) and sometimes he'd call me to be the other janitor (sometimes he'd just do the job solo and keep the extra cash).

Ariselas@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 6h (5 replies)

me at 50 after the latest round of cutbacks and layoffs, "are there still jobs that will allow me to pay my bills?"

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 3h

I had a 25-year career as a programmer, ending up making nearly $200K a year. Now I'm a school bus driver making about $30K, although fortunately that also includes subsidized (and really good) health insurance. I'm also fortunate because I already own a small house outright and was able to save a good bit when I was making good money. I quit programming (read: was laid off) just before the AI "revolution" so I'm thankful that I've missed all that bullshit.

Maybe I'll be able to get back into coding after all the AI slop fails catastrophically and there's nobody left in the industry who still knows how to actually code, but I don't have my hopes up for that. Corporate bullshit is simply too strong for catastrophic failure to be a real problem.

HeyJoe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 5h (1 reply)

Me after surviving the layoffs, great all my bosses are gone it's going to be months if not an entire year before they notice me again. Time to do the bare minimum!

ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3h

My company got purchased and then the purchasing company got purchased by a huge west coast tech giant. Everybody from the original company got reassigned to new teams and we all ended up with new bosses who had no idea who we were or why we were even there. I had a very enjoyable six months "working" from home doing absolutely nothing before I was laid off. I even got a severance package about equivalent to a year's salary for the first (and presumably last) time in my career.

Goldmage263@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 4h (1 reply)

Maybe I'm still too young. Early 30's and asking a lot of questions about "why did we have a restructuring and layoffs if we had a record year for financials?" Not getting any answers of course, but I sure am getting a lot of information. Also getting to be the voice of all my coworkers. Literally all of them. We all hate it.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 3 pts · 3h

Be the change you want to see. If you are the voice of your coworkers. U n I o n I z e

rabber@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 4h (5 replies)

I dunno I thought I wanted this and took a job at a datacenter

Some days I don't even interact with another human

5 years into this and it's completely killed my social skills and therefore social life, im thinking about moving on for this reason actually

Souvenir@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 4h (4 replies)

If it pays ok, why not volunteer?

You get to socialise, you get to feel a part of your community, you get to feel like you're making a difference, etc.

rabber@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 4h (2 replies)

I don't know why but the hermit nature of the job leaks into my real life and I tend to not want to socialize outside of work either

It's all been a slow burn in this way

tetris11@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 4h (1 reply)

Im in the same boat. Perpetual screen time is fine if you have colleagues next to you that you can shoot the shit with. Without them? Brain becomes a spongey moss

rabber@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 2h

It's not just screen time in my case. Alone in the datacenter at night is like some liminal space and it feels like there is something inherently unhealthy standing amongst the whirring server racks. Even with hearing protection it just drives a guy mad in a way

jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46m

I'll second the volunteering, though I never really feel comfortable socializing among the volunteers, it still feels good actually doing something I think matters, but at the same time know I'm utterly replacable and no one would specifically need me to do any of it.

stoy@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 12h

If I could organize the arkane library daily with my current salary, I would be happy

The_v@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 10h

I've climbed the corporate ladder and traveled all over the world until I got near the top where the nepotism is thick. Said 'fuck that' and bailed out early.

New plan: "Work for myself." Took me a decade to get here because of little things like health care and capital.

Been on my own for almost 2 years now and it is glorious.

dejikero@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 9h (1 reply)

at least once a month i'll text my friend: i'm so tired of working, let's just live in the woods! as i begrudgingly get ready for my shift.

toxicbubble@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46m

almost all my friends dream of this. ideally, communes start with a community buying land and building infrastructure, which gets pricier each day 😌 I'll settle for an RV at this point

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 11h (4 replies)

I'm 40 and getting my massage therapy license out of nowhere. Similar line of thinking.

chocrates@piefed.world · 4 pts · 11h (3 replies)

I've heard that has a time table before your hands wear out. Is that true?

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h (2 replies)

Probably! We'll see! I've read there are ways to minimize the strain, e.g. using your forearms and elbows. But I start classes in three weeks. I don't think it'll take me into old age, but if I can charge $90ish starting out per 60-minute massage, then increase a bit as I go, I should be able to get at least a few solid years out of it/my body. It's a hail mary, Lord knows there are potential downsides. 🤞

Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 9h

RMTs often work alongside physiotherapists in a practice. If that's where you end up, there might be a perk of after-hours PT sessions to keep your joints in shape. If not, then engaging the services of a physiotherapist a couple times a year can definitely help.

fracture@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 8h

make sure you keep your shit stretched and use what you learn on your own forearms / wrists / hands

village604@adultswim.fan · 10 pts · 8h (8 replies)

IT security is like that. It's really boring until it isn't.

Agent641@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 8h

Make note of the Crowdstrike update schedule, and book holidays immediately afterwards

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 8h (6 replies)

If you do your job right, nobody will know you did anything at all.

ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 7h (4 replies)

And management will subsequently ask you why your position shouldn't be terminated, as you're clearly not contributing anything.

UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h

"Why is your finger in that dam? You're clearly just standing there doing nothing."

The good(ish) news is that black hats are very skilled at their jobs. IT Security more often needs to justify their fuck-ups than their excessive competency.

Rooster326@programming.dev · 1 pts · 3h (1 reply)

They don't ask in the year of our lord.

ZC3rr0r@piefed.ca · 1 pts · 2h

Fine. They'll have AI measure productivity and ask it to defend your position instead.

village604@adultswim.fan · 1 pts · 7h

Luckily I report directly to the CISO.

Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 2h

Prod operator is like that too. Every delivery have zero issue why do we even pay you. So I took 1 month holiday without my computer, they lost 2 clients :/ because they knew nobody would check there tests book since I wasn't here. They managed to let test Iban hard coded they sent all the salaries of a company to another and only noticed 5-7 days laters... They are still trying to get the monney back.. This was a one man company and they can't reach the guy, it seem that he emptied his accounts than disapeared... They fucking Dev even tried to tell my manager that was my fault because I was on holiday...

Rooster326@programming.dev · 8 pts · 3h (1 reply)

The job you are looking for at 38 is Page but like every job within the library system. It pays worse than teaching for the no-exceptions required-education

jj4211@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 47m

Have a colleague who went from over $300k/year to like a $50k/year job. Basically something to vaguely keep the lights on while his savings took care of itself. Way too young to retire, but he figures he can be ok with his savings and bonuses he had over his high paying career.

Souvenir@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 4h

Honestly, at 45 with a very patchy CV because I was forced to become a full time carer more than once (fuck cancer), I'm probably fucked.

Feel like I might as well flush my degrees down the toilet. Luckily I live in Europe, so I didn't have to go into a huge amount of debt for them.

That's life I suppose. Sticking around for the life ending asteroid Hollywood has promised us.

fuck_u_spez_in_particular@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7h

Yeah, feel the same since the great slopification of the internet and also my job...

db2@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4h

FishFace@piefed.social · 6 pts · 4h (1 reply)

Bernard! Bernard! Bernard look! Look Bernard! Bernard!

OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2h

MANNY!

JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 8h (1 reply)

Me at 41: can I just move to a cave and live off berries?

DmMacniel@feddit.org · 4 pts · 7h

berries

only during salmon berry and blackberry seasons.

jj4211@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 50m

Never wanted to climb the ladder, but it was the only way I could really get better pay.

The higher I go, the more I can't stand the conversations. Being straightforward is a career killer. Competing with folks that talk big without knowledge, knowing I need to carefully balance working with them while making sure my ass is documented and covered for any blame when they screw up and want to throw someone under the bus.

I have generally still loved talking to the "grunts" and customers. People who have real problems and doing real stuff without so much office politic crap going on. Not people trying to write blog posts to try to sound smart without actually doing anything or actually knowing the material.

neomachino@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 1h

One of the best jobs I ever had was night shift stocker at a grocery store. I'd clock in as the store was closing and would clock out about an hour after it opened. I'd get stoned out of my mind, listen to music or audio books the whole time and restock cereal and stuff.

My job now is pretty cushy now, but I do reminisce when I didn't have to think about work during off hours.

Iammetheone@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 8h

Me at 34 I wanna go back in time and do nothing

M137@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 1h

I never wanted the former, even as a kid.
All I've ever wanted is something that's unstressful and fulfilling by doing good to others and gives me enough, both time and money, to be comfortable (and my view of comfortable in the money part is a lot less than the vast majority of people want).

HobbitFoot@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 8h

I took it as a sign of pride that my junior engineers never wanted to be project managers while it is common for the industry because My staff understood the bullshit that comes with project management.

MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 12h

Internet Archive?

Blackmist@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 33m

Me at 46: I want to dismantle the machinery that makes trillionaires.

melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 12h

I'm guessing this is a common thought or feeling for most in a dissonant corporate world.

CkrnkFrnchMn@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 11h

You could go check for bugs in tea shipments...

bitwolf@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4h

I guess I'm 31 going on 38 then.

DrStanleyGoodspeed@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 30m

I work in a hospital in a lab where I look at small pieces of the human body through a microscope in a quiet office where people apologize for interrupting me. It’s heaven

grahamja@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 24m

Don't librarians in the US have to have masters degrees? I thought it was another underpaid very competitive career path where you had to wait for people to retire to find a job.

Tikiporch@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h

You can do both. Climb the corporate book ladder!

CascadianGiraffe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 49m

Every interview: "oh great! You have a lot of manager experience! We've been looking for somebody with those skills!"

Me: "I'm not really looking to be in charge of people. I find the generational differences too tiring. I can't relate and I'm tired of having to tell children to put away their phones."

And within a year I'm a manager again. Just can't seem to shake it. Which is why every damn job on my resume is manager. At least this time around I am managing things and not people. So a little better.

Steve@startrek.website · -18 pts · 13h (5 replies)

Lead, follow, or get out of the way.

blackberry28@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 10h (1 reply)

Sounds like the vacuous slop u would find some narcisstic corpo post on LinkedIn lol

AmyAye@nord.pub · 6 pts · 11h (2 replies)

What does that mean anyway?

Steve@startrek.website · 7 pts · 9h

Its a line from Idiocracy. When Joe is arguing about being reassigned from his basement library job.

https://youtu.be/onoaKEEyNEI?is=C_rrwaeLwJa5hF2b

lost_faith@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 9h

Ask Joe Bauers, he likes to get out of the way