What do you think of Christopher Nolan's Batman Trilogy?

Having recently seen the first trilogy among Nolan's works, I wonder what opinions you hold about the movies in general. Seeing that I'm quite late to the party, I expect some strong and mature takes in the comments, but you are still free to voice any opinion you may have.

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Toasticus@piefed.social · 20 pts · 12h (3 replies)

I felt that they were the most definitive Batman movies we'll get for a while. I don't think it was fair for people to uphold Dark Knight Rises against the Dark Knight, because the bar was already set high. It was all a nice breath of fresh air to have a series of movies that didn't play up to a lot of fan service like the MCU did.

To this day though, I really don't like how growling Batman got when he spoke. What was up with that? Give him a freaking cough drop.

toynbee@piefed.social · 13 pts · 11h

Christian Bale apparently once said that, when you put on the Batman suit, the growl just happens automatically.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 12h

If only he could ask Morgan Freeman for learning to speak with a deep voice

THB@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h

I laughed out loud in the theater when I heard the Batman voice for the first time.

IWW4@lemmy.zip · 14 pts · 10h (1 reply)

First movie was OK, It laid a good foundation.

The second one was great.

The third one was absolutely terrible.

andrewrgross@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 4h

It's pretty impressive how good the second one is considering what it's between.

I have an unpopular opinion in that I did not like Batman Begins. The direction is great. There's a great vibe to it all. The concept is there. But imo, the really high quality of Nolan's visual directing does so much work distracting people from how lacking the movie is in actual substance.

I don't know how he hit such gold with the second. It wasn't just the great performance from Ledger: the overall writing and story are just way, way better than the other two. Good for him, though.

LORDSMEGMA@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 13h (6 replies)

I give it a 5/7

baronvonj@piefed.social · 7 pts · 12h

doesn't get more perfect than that!

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 12h (4 replies)

Could you explain the reference behind this particular selection of numbers? Is it something like 6-7?

Carl@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 12h (2 replies)

It’s an old meme, based on a series of Facebook screenshots:

Once the screenshots went viral, people started memeing about it, like so:

As for why the 5/7 was posted here? Probably because OP was asking about the Nolan trilogy, which is mentioned in the original 5/7 meme.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 12h (1 reply)

I am somewhat able to get the idea of the meme, but I still fail to understand what got it popular to this extent.

On a separate note, the third comment in the first screenshot genuinely gave me a good chuckle.

hypnicjerk@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h

it's hilariously unfunny stuff and blatantly staged, just peak reddit humor.

one_old_coder@piefed.social · 1 pts · 10h
Z745812939054@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 13h (3 replies)

i wouldn't say bale is a bad actor, but he was vastly overshadowed by the rest of the cast, at least in part 1--morgan freeman, michael caine, cillian murphy, gary oldman, and whoever else was in there

part 2 was ok but way over hyped and overrated

part 3 was the worst, felt like nolan phoned in the whole movie

tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 11h (1 reply)

You just forgot my mans, Liam Neeson, from Straight Tooken?!

Z745812939054@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 11h

oh yea, and the last samurai dude

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 12h

Morgan Freeman was in the cast as well???!!! Somehow I assumed he was only destined to narrate throughout his entire career that I failed to acknowledge his existence as an actor even when he was in front of the screen countless times.

I was equally fascinated by the performance of each actor in the trilogy and hold no particular actor above the other, though I prefer Michael Caine in particular simply due to his role as a British, good-willed and supportive butler according to the plot.

I agree that the 2nd movie was overrated. I assumed by the plethora of Joker memes that the movie would be an all-time cinematic masterpiece. The Joker's character was certainly entertaining and unique, but it was not magnificent enough to rate it above all other antagonists in the movie industry.

I have mixed feelings about the 3rd movie. Some scenes had poor executions or just felt frustrating. However the first and last quarters if the movie kind of redeemed the movie for its imperfections and ultimately I was completely satisfied with its ending.

akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 13h (5 replies)

It's mighty fantastic. I love the soundtrack - by Hans Zimmer, naturally - and I love the grittier take on an "action hero" story. Not quite as dark as the later The Batman, but that one sucked. I fell asleep.

I strongly recommend watching them with high quality speakers! Volume UP!!!

An acquaintance of mine who was a movie/filmography major said to me some years ago, regarding Nolan's trilogy, "I'm sorry [my real name] but this is a piece of shit." I still don't know what he meant.

Carl@anarchist.nexus · 12 pts · 12h (2 replies)

I actually enjoyed the Pattinson Batman movie. It was a callback to the Detective Comics origins. Hollywood tends to focus on the action, but Batman in the comics is first and foremost a detective. So the Battinson movie was focused on that. And for most of the movie, he was basically just a dude in a hoodie with a bike, riding around town looking for clues. The Riddler was a great villain for that kind of movie, and doing it any other way would have reduced Riddler’s entire character to just another punching bag.

akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 12h

Thanks for explaining that! Maybe I just wasn't well enough informed before watching the movie. 😊

marlowe221@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h

It’s sooo good

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 12h (1 reply)

Interesting. I did find the soundtracks to be cinematic while watching the movies, but there was nothing iconic about it, not even a simple hum I could remember afterwards. I could always recall parts of the music for other Nolan's films I've watched, but the entire trilogy seems to be an exception for some reason.

akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 12h

I think I know what you mean. And it's funny you say "hum", because that kind of describes the soundtrack. It's mostly quietly, slowly moving deep string harmonies, sort of like a hum, so it's totally understandable that nothing of it really stands out. I think it's mostly for creating atmosphere.

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 13h (4 replies)

I would describe them as pretty good, definitely worth a watch.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 13h (3 replies)

I used to deliberately avoid them for the express purpose of being an MCU fan, but after watching a handful of Nolan's films I decided to give them a try, and I was not disappointed at all

SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 4 pts · 11h (1 reply)

Well that's the dumbest reason not to watch a movie that I've seen for a long time.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 10h

Yeah I'm not really that proud of that phase. It broke after witnessing consecutively poorer quality shows and movies released after Endgame, after which I tried exploring movies from other franchises.

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h

They were definitely better than the marvel movies IMO, like, significantly better.

Marvel movies are (mostly) OK if you view them from an action movie lens.

The Dark Knight movies were actually fairly OK as movies rather than just being action movies.

Melobol@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 11h

I saw them long ago. I believe I liked them - tho it gave Batman a different tone.
It is very interesting how Batman is one of those characters that change tones swinging any direction.
I grew up seeing episodes from the og Batman series, then the animated ones (even Batman Beyond) - and I still like Batman forever. These were all different in tones.

The 'new' ones are more modern action movie style, in my recall it was a good popcorn flick. It reminds me of the 'new' Star Trek movies - as is not Star Trek but a good movie.

I think I am going to do a Batman binge - thanks for the reminder :)

HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 6 pts · 12h (5 replies)

They are fine. The worst thing about them is Bale and his weird BatVoice. Sounds exhausting lol.

Anyway, might be unpopular opinon but I liked the 2022 Batman with Robert Pattinson better.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 12h (1 reply)

Same opinion on the voice thing. He probably used to take a dozen cough pills every morning after doing that fake cringey voice at night as Batman.

I have yet to watch The Batman, but I'll be looking forward to it since I've been a fan of Robert Pattinson's performance in the last few Nolan's movies.

HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 1 pts · 11h

Richard Harris did a similar thing in Cromwell (1970). Though he did the voice by actually breaking his voice. Bale probably broke his voice for putting the voice on lol.

Anyway, Harris' voice was excellent in Cromwell. Bale's voice was silly in Batman.

jacksilver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 12h (2 replies)

My only issue with the 2022 Batman is that Batman basically does nothing. He doesn't figure out the riddlers clues or plan, and constantly messes up. It would have been better if he had a win or two throughout the movie.

HuudaHarkiten@piefed.social · 4 pts · 11h (1 reply)

I think that sort of stuff was in there to make it clear that he is still very much learning. He did get quite a few things correct, I think the only things that led him off was the silly "rata el rada is penguin" thing and not figuring out the carpeting tool.

But I do agree, they could have maybe toned down some of the silly mistakes a bit. The rat with wings was completely stupid thing to make him miss it. Bats are widely known as rats with wings, penguins are not at all lol.

jacksilver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h

I got that he is supposed to come off inexperienced, the issue is that I'm not sure the plot of the entire movie changes much if he were removed from the events.

He never solves the riddlers riddles, he has to be told the answer (which the riddler might have told to anyone at that point). He does disarm the shooters at the very end, but he doesn't stop any killings/assassination attempt/flooding. It could be argued that maybe the politican would have been successfully killed if he didn't stop the riddlers henchmen (I don't think the shooter misses because of Batman, but can't recall). Additionally, he was the one that really set off the falcone plot point, which may have been dealt with very differently if he didn't get involved.

kat_angstrom@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 13h (1 reply)

It good

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 13h

Such an extreme opinion. I couldn't fathom a statement like this in centuries.

TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 6 pts · 13h (1 reply)

Great films, Great execution. The three movies are really good, better than every marvel

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 13h

Apart from a select few films I genuinely favour, I agree that the trilogy surpasses all MCU movies by a remarkable margin. I wish I could've watched them earlier.

Zonetrooper@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6h

Pretty good movies.

But I think that also understates how influential they were to superhero popular culture. It bears remembering that prior to the BatTrilogy, for a decade-ish superhero films had been either the squeezed-dry sequels of B-list characters, comedies, aimed largely at kids, and/or barely resembled their source material. While 90s and early 00s Superhero comics were moving through their edgy antihero phases, films struggling to define themselves.

The Nolan Trilogy brought the idea of Batman as a tortured loner, alienated from his family and allies, into the broader popular culture. Batman allows villains to die, spies on innocents, and eschews sidekicks. There is no Justice League. "You either die a hero, or live long enough to become the villain" is not the sentiment that pervaded superhero screen media in the years prior to the Nolan trilogy.

Even if you don't like superhero stuff, they're worth watching just as an artifact of mid-late 00's culture, in my opinion.

yesman@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 11h

I prefer the Marvel-type superhero movies where they don't take everything so seriously and pretend that the premise isn't ridiculous. I guess I just wonder "why so serious"?

Batman isn't an interesting character. His flamboyant rouges gallery is essential and I think a gritty/ realistic Batman-villain undercuts that.

Redfox8@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 10h (3 replies)

I didn't much enjoy them, I wasn't against the darker theme, gravelly voice etc. (Bane asides, can't stand his voice - but at least it spawned this sketch that cracks me up! https://youtu.be/1-GkQihKYvM or https://piped.video/watch?v=1-GkQihKYvM).

Oddly the design of the batmobile & bike really bugged me, just didn't like them at all for some reason, but they do fit with the films overall at least.

Style quibbles asides I just didn't enjoy the feel of the films, I couldn't get into the stories or characters much at all. I can't put a finger on why exactly, I just didn't enjoy them. Maybe it was the lack of cartoony villains (the 1989 version is the most impressioned film on me, not a stellar storyline, but great style & characters (Batman Returns also bug not do much)), but then I really liked The Joker, but then that is a solo story.

Then there's the line by Alfred in the 1st film about the bats 'nesting' in the cave. As an ecologist by profession, the whole series can be burned just for that faux pas!! (Joking, but it is also unforgivable!)

Overall, fine as a general action superhero movie series but I can't rate it highly in my experience of the Batman world.

tal@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h (1 reply)

I wasn’t against the darker theme

I'm one of the people who didn't like the "I won't kill you, but I don't have to save you" line that Batman says to Ra's al Ghul in Batman Begins.

It just really does not seem to me to fundamentally fit with the character of Batman as he's been built up over the decades. I have a hard time with Batman taking a legalistic take, and frankly, a lot of the reason that the series had recurring villains is because Batman had saved them on many occasions in many past stories.

That being said, I suppose that there have been much more dramatic changes to comic book characters.

Redfox8@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 8h

I know very little about the comic book versions, but this series struck me as a clear sidestep from the overall character design in that regards. Not necessarily a bad thing, like you say, any long running character has various iterations, but Batman has always come across to me as being a character formed almost wholly by the murder of his parents, so such an opinion re Ra's al Ghul feels quite a big sidestep.

Perhaps if Nolan leaned in a bit more and asked e.g. "what if Wayne turned out less principled and more psychotic? " that could've been an interesting take. Take Batman almost wholly out of the lore and suggest an alternative. Perhaps too risky even for someone at such a high point in his career!

andrewrgross@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 3h

Thanks for sharing that skit! I hadn't seen that before!

FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12h (1 reply)

I think I'm an outlier here but I didn't like the first film, and I decided not to watch the other two after that.

It is underappreciated just how much Nolan's shifty lighting and sound design does to ruin an otherwise good enough film. I have a problem with the story too, though. Batman begins is mainly background stuff. Batman does stuff like walk up to Falcone, only to have harsh words and then be forced to back off. I don't remember a lot of action happening full stop. I believe I had a problem with the pacing, and in terms of comic:realistic vibes, the vibes are more realistic - I prefer comic book movies to be more comic-cy. Stylistic, in other words. It just has a generic style. Things i like because of their stylistic cinematography are guardians of the galaxy, netflix daredevil, and James Gunn's Superman

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 12h

Fair enough. I didn't happen to like the Dune movies, so I didn't even bother finishing the first one.

Agree with the sound design problem. I was lucky I was able to view the trilogy at home, else I would probably have my ears blown off like a cartoon character by the end.

bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 9h

They're amazing

Baggie@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 3h

My hot take is 3 feels like a movie about occupy wallstreet, but Nolan wasn't allowed to show those parties having any kind of validity, and the script got rewritten. The last half is just so wildly lower in quality than the first half.

DigDoug@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h (2 replies)

I thought all of them were excellent, though admittedly I only saw Rises the one time in the theatre. The Dark Knight stands out above the other two, though.

I'm not a Batman or comic fan, which could explain my taste. In fact, a group of friends and I tried watching the 1989 one with no nostalgia and we all agreed to turn it off halfway through.

Z745812939054@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 9h (1 reply)

tim burton's second batman was way better than the first, worth trying. danny devito nailed it as the penguin, christopher walken was an amazing corpo ceo slimeball, and michelle pfeiffer still the best catwoman

the rest of the pre-nolan movies were all steamy diarrhea. one of them actually wrecked chris o'donnell's career

andrewrgross@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 4h

The original '89 Batman is still dope. I'm surprised @DigDoug@lemmy.world didn't like it.

What was off? Michael Keaton is one of those actors that I think can hold an audience even with weak material, and I didn't think that was weak material at all. And that's before we even get into Jack Nicholson's Joker. Was it bad? Or did it just feel boring or something?

BoosBeau@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h

If I do as bad a job at dying as Marion Cotillard did in the 3rd movie, I hope I die again. Edit: In minecraft

ToiletFlushShowerScream@piefed.world · 2 pts · 12h (2 replies)

Nolan has been a solid director and his batman films are mostly quality filmmaking, but Bale in the titular role ruined them. He was so unenjoyable to watch. I've never rooted against the character before him. Which is weird because the rest of the casting was absolutely superb. Music and cinematography were in the sweet spot for the franchise.

schipelblorp@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 11h

Who watches Batman to see Batman? He is a drearily boring character. The villains are the ones I watch.

Adam West and Michael Keaton are the only good Batmen, and they lean towards a self-aware comedy completely drained out of the Nolan's trilology. I can't really fault Bale.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 12h

What did you dislike about Bale's performance in particular? I'm interested to know since I am biased in favour of him as an actor and could've overlooked his flaws in the process.

FatVegan@leminal.space · 2 pts · 10h

I don't really like them. To me their biggest flaw is gotham. Gotham is like it's own character and in his trilogy it's just chicago.

ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 1 pts · 1h

3.5/10

aesthelete@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 46m

Eh.

solrize@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 11h

I liked the "Batman, nananana nananana" theme song.

theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 10h

Terrible pro police and pro surveillance slop.

Rhynoplaz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h

I never saw the first one, the second one was great, and the third one didn't really make any sense. I mean, I understood what was happening, but it felt ridiculous even for a superhero movie.

Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 1 pts · 47m

I've only seen the one with Bane, and I thought it sucked.

It felt like Bane beat Batman for no reason, and Batman just had to overcome a pointless trial where he learned nothing, to create a manufactured darkest hour. I didn't feel like Batman ideologically bested Bane, and ideology is important to Me.

My favourite Batman bossfight is Terry McGinnis beating the Joker in Batman Beyond. Terry is a gen alpha kid who grew up on 67 and Skibidi Toilet. Terry knows funny. And the Joker isn't funny. The Joker can't stand being the butt of the joke, he can't stand being vulnerable. Vulnerability is the key to all great comedy, and the Joker can't do it. Terry defeats the Joker by out-funnying the Joker. That's meaningful.

I never felt like anything happening in Nolan's Batman had any meaning.

cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 10h

I like Nolan for sci-fi/fantasy, but I didn't care for his Batman movies. Watched every one, they bored me. I liked the first two with Michael Keaton and the one with Val Kilmer, though I was pretty young when they came out and they left an impression. Rose coloured glasses and all that. I don't really watch them now but I remember them being good.

DC stuff in general just bores me, though I did like last year's Superman. My problem with Superman is that only a fake green rock from a planet that does not exist (so far as we know) is his one weakness, and the film opens with him having gotten his ass kicked. Didn't love it but thought it was decent. I thought I liked Batman more, but those are boring to me, too.

quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1h

They fall into the category of movies I liked but not enough to rewatch on my own. Those movies that never crosses my mind to put on but if it is already on I keep watching until they end.

Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 10h

I'm an admitted Nolan fan boy. I loved the first 2 when they first came out but the third was pretty shaky. Given the entire story shift due to Ledger's passing though, I thought it was an ok pivot overall. I would have loved to see the Joker story to its original conclusion though.

On rewatches years later, the first one is still good but I don't feel it's held up nearly as well as Dark Knight. I still absolutely adore that one, but Ledger did do a lot of heavy lifting. I rewatched the third recently and it just struggles to hold up. The tone shift from the first 2 is jarring and I honestly feel like Levitt was wasted as a potential Robin. The third movie could have been used as his introduction with a different villain rather than Bane, possibly Harley Quinn stepping up to fill Joker's shoes.

tacosanonymous@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 11h

Deeply flawed but fun to watch.

Lots of funny lines to meme about and great character actors.

DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 1 pts · 10h

Some of the better superhero movies, most of which are mid at best.

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 39m

I want to know what voice Hardy gave Bane before the one we heard because I heard he was asked to change it because it sucked. I gotta hear how bad it was before the one they approved because I still wanna know why he gave him that voice.

5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org · 1 pts · 11h

5.5/7 because in the words of the famous Brendan Sullivan:

„shut the f*ck up rob i liked the movie. I thought it was dark and mysterious, almost as good as the dark night“

Davel23@fedia.io · 1 pts · 12h (7 replies)

I thought they were good, but Heath Ledger's Joker was overrated. I mean, he's fine but I didn't think he was amazing which seems to be the general consensus. I don't think he would have won the Oscar if he hadn't died.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 12h (4 replies)

Is this how I get to know Heath Ledger died? His acting was great nonetheless and I would've loved to watch him in future movies. I feel bad now ;(

Davel23@fedia.io · 4 pts · 12h

Yeah, just a few months after The Dark Knight came out. 18 years ago.

andyburke@fedia.io · 3 pts · 12h (2 replies)

It's a shame if you got it from this comment because in my opinion, in the context of the time when the film was released, and with the history of portrayals of The Joker at that time, Ledger absolutely would have been in serious contention for a supporting actor Oscar.

Davel23@fedia.io · 3 pts · 11h (1 reply)

He... was in serious contention for the Supporting Actor Oscar. Serious enough that he won it. Posthumously of course, but he still won.

tal@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 8h

I kind of wish we could have seen what we'd have had in terms of movies if we hadn't had the drug/alcohol deaths and suicides from famous actors over the years.

FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 10h (1 reply)

Actually love his joker. His joker is the joker for me

Davel23@fedia.io · 1 pts · 10h

I'm not saying he was bad, he was as good as the rest of the movie and if one saw the movie at the right age I can see how he would be the definitive Joker, but he just didn't do anything special for me.

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 13h (4 replies)

My primary motivation to watch the trilogy was to see how Christian Bale would play a regular non psychopathic role across three complete movies, even though I haven't actually seen American Psycho. I don't know why this was my main motivation, just that it was.

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 13h (3 replies)

Batman

non psychopathic

Hmm...

enchantedgoldapple@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 13h (2 replies)

I would consider him to be more of a man kid with bunch of money to play with and a naive wish to 'do good'

_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 10h

My take has always been he was a super fucked up dude who never got over his parents' murder.

Through the lens of reality, pretty much everything he does would be considered crazy (but then again, playing out childhood fantasies in the way he does falls solidly into crazy territory in my book even within the comic book universe).

tal@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 8h

I think that it kind of depends on the particular presentation of Batman; they've varied quite a bit.