So on one hand, that reads to me like she meant "we are not pulling from the existing comics or books", as opposed to "we are unaware of them".
On the other hand, Darth Caedus (aka Jacen Solo) might have something to say about Kylo Ren being an "original concept" that "was not pulled from the books or comics".
Jurassic World director Colin Trevorrow was slated to write and direct Episode IX before you brought J.J. Abrams back in. Is this final entry in the trilogy a particularly hard nut to crack?
Every one of these movies is a particularly hard nut to crack. There’s no source material. We don’t have comic books. We don’t have 800-page novels. We don’t have anything other than passionate storytellers who get together and talk about what the next iteration might be.
As bad as that last movie was, I'm still glad Colin Trevorrow want allowed anywhere near it. There are few directors who are that out of their depth when given a big budget...
It's so much worse than that. It's like saying "We can't trace any completed connect the dots drawings" when there were 200 already completed connect the dots drawings specifically based on Star Wars.
I would kill to have a Darth Bane movie trilogy or two movies based on Revan. There's even a Star Wars zombie book they could have turned into a movie at the height of the zombie media craze for crying out loud.
Two zombie books, one set during the Old Republic and then another set during the Imperial era. Both are pretty solid, though I'd give the crown to death troopers since I get some real Dead Space vibes from it.
Super Mario Bros was published in 1985 not 1972 but yeah.
Back in the 90's, video games were new enough that you could forgive the film industry for not being familiar with them. It's been 30 years. They still don't get it.
I kinda stand with Yahtzee Croshaw on this: The video game industry is a lot bigger than the film industry and makes a hell of a lot more money, so filmmakers should probably do a little learning their place.
Yes, like GoldenEye. No one played it, and it was definitely not a popular FPS where you jumped on enemies. It's an obscure game based on the obscure movie where James Bond jumped on every single woman he saw. /s
I've got a suspicion that this is one of those "say something intentionally stupid so that everyone jumps on the train to correct you and create engagement".
That's how everything in the internet works nowadays. I just can't do it. Everyone (mostly bots I suspect) seem to want to get pissed off or feel themselves like correct or interesting.
There's not all that much fact checking about something like that. It's not like they claimed something and got one small detail wrong. It's just a blanket statement that is unsubstantiated. Assuming they have common knowledge of the industry they're in, it takes just one game that is not coin-operated and has some save functionality to make the original statement invalid.
You can't die in Doom. Per the quote - you die after jumping on enemies. The lack of jump button and infinitely tall monsters were specifically implemented to prevent player death in Doom.
I did once. The quarter fell onto some solder points and short circuited a bunch of stuff. Fried the whole machine. This was back in the early 90s, of course, when a typical computer cost as much as a nice used car and maybe four people in the county had one, much less knew how to fix one. Some original joke about getting beaten with jumper cables. Sometimes the hard lessons are the ones that stick with you most because as I got older, I learned how to solder and perform board level repairs. It's an insanely useful skill.
I was listening to a podcast recently, New York Videogames Critics Circle, and they talked about The Last of Us 1 and 2 and Neil Druckman as if it was the first game to ever make the player feel emotions. Like not just that it did so successfully, but that it did it at all.
That's literally not the joke though. The joke doesn't change at all if we correct the date to 1985, so clearly the error not only isn't the joke, it's not even a part of the joke. How is this so upvoted? People just slackjawed reacting like "omfg I remember the Simpsons!"
That makes no sense. You could literally remove the dates entirely and that point would still be made just by Mario -> Last of Us. Having the incorrect date for Mario doesn't reinforce that point in any way.
The Last of Us is just something I cannot get in to. Been trying for 10 years. I just do not care and it bores me to death even when I was trying to force myself to stay with it. Turns out as I get older, I still don't want walking simulators. I still just want more of the games I played as a kid, and luckily I still have them all.
It is fine to have a different experience and taste in games. But The Last Of Us is absolutely not a Walking Sim. For one thing, Walking Sims, by definition, have no combat. You just walk around and explore a place and uncover a story along the way. TLOU is filled with stealth combat and 3rd person shooting, survival horror style resource management, as well as exploration and an unfolding story.
I think what you mean is that you dislike Narrative-driven adventure games. Walking Sims are a sub-genre of narrative driven games, but not all narrative driven games are Walking Sims. The Last Of Us is an narrative- driven action-adventure survival-horror game.
The second game starts off with killing the MC from the first game and you follow the other MC around on their revenge tour. From the bits I’ve seen it’s going for an ultra gritty, introspective, Walking Dead style narrative that I just honestly don’t care for anymore. It’s just not my thing.
I also don’t want to invest in the series when I know the main guy from the first one gets done dirty.
I wouldn't call it "Walking Dead" style. If anything, it wears its Cormac McCarthy influences on its sleeve. If the first game was The Road, the second game is Blood Meridian. The story is intentionally dreary, miserable, uncomfortable, and emotionally draining. Kotaku's review of the game was pretty on the money for a lot of people, it's entirely possible to be so put off by the tone and story of the game because it's so miserable.
The thing is that you play as Ellie and then as Abby to get both perspectives on the story. The entire message of the game is that revenge and unending conflict a downward spiral of self-destruction. Joel gets done dirty... but so does everyone. That's the whole point of the game.
Sure. I respect the choice and understand why people like it. But it’s definitely not a story for me. I think I’d just burn out of playing something that dreary for so long only then having to go through it again from the other perspective.
Between that and hating stealth games it’s just not a game for me.
I can respect that others love it but it’s not a game for me.
Unfortunately foe the both of us, because rightwingers used this game for their agenda, neither of us will ever be taken seriously. It's like telling one of those narcissists that make their abusive childhood their entire personality that running a stoplight is bad.
I hope the 4th Witcher game ends up being good, because I'm not sure how many more times I can watch the same situation go down, man.
In the ps3 release the Fireflies hospital was dirty and dingy. In the sequel it's all squeaky clean.
In the first game the Fireflies are portrayed as shortsighted and incapable of even crossing the country with heavy weaponry. In the sequel they're treated as if they were perfectly capable of making and disseminating a vaccine.
Neil clearly didn't like how the first games story turned out and made the sequel into his little fanfic.
Your idea of a retcon is that the hospital looks different in the sequel game in that tiny cutscene you see? It's not even true, the hospital is still dirty and dingy. You're also claiming a character having a wishful opinion is a retcon.
Neither of these are retcons.
There's zero plot or story changes here too to even start making the assertion a retcon happened. How and why are you escalating to accusing the entire TLOU2 of being a fanfic because of two extremely minor things about the previous game, one of which isn't even true.
I absolutely loved playing The Last of Us. But I find no enjoyment in ever playing it again (I tried and got bored). It will be like rewatching a movie I've seen, but meanwhile having to relearn how to watch it as well.
I think these storydriven games have their place, but there are surely more engaging games.
I've been balls fucking deep in Spider-Man 2 lately. I got it a couple weeks ago and haven't stopped since. I'm already almost 100% done with my NG+ run. I got a bunch of costume mods and some gameplay tweak mods, and I'm having a blast swinging around the expanded NYC (including Queens and Brooklyn) in all these different costumes that all honestly look fantastic.
It's just more of the same/similar Spider-Man games we've all been playing for the better part of 20 years, but it's just so goddamn fun.
I can't think of any aspect of The Last of Us that didn't appear in an earlier game. It was well enough done, but I don't feel like it was innovative in any way.
It was the other showrunner, Craig Mazin, who said this. He doesn’t work in vidya gaems Though I can’t find the original source where he said it. So could be a shitpost.
It is however the absence of reason to assume it's factual
In this case though this is real. Where it might have been said to not be real is the quote is often attributed to the director of the game, where as it was actually said by the screen writer of the show.
Craig Mazin never said this at all. The closest source I could find on it is a seemingly bot generated article about a sarcastic tweet that someone made about him.
This isn't even a controversial association, you people have to fucking grow up.
"Druckmann has openly stated that the themes of revenge and cyclical violence in The Last of Us Part II stem from his reaction to the 2000 Ramallah lynching of two Israeli soldiers, where footage of the event filled him with "intense hatred" and a desire to "kill all these people that committed this horrible act" and "make them feel the same pain." He later reflected on feeling "gross and guilty" for these impulses, but used them as the foundation for the game's narrative. Druckmann also draws parallels to Israeli politics, citing the 2011 exchange of over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, noting how his father viewed the deal as harmful to Israel overall but would release every prisoner to save his own son. These inspirations manifest in The Last of Us Part II's portrayal of warring factions: the secular, militarized Washington Liberation Front (WLF), equipped with advanced weaponry and resources, mirrors the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) as a "brutal but well-intended" military, while the Seraphites, a religious cult engaging in ritual disembowelment and fanaticism, dehumanizes Palestinians as an extremist threat akin to Hamas."
Yeah I know there's some really deranged people on the internet.
It's a bizarre thing when people think that proving the existence of a narrative is the same thing as something being true.
Apparently there's a synagogue in it so some people are upset by that. You'll of course claim that Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, while also spending a lot of time reading a lot of articles that tell you to hate a video game because it shows a synagogue in it.
That was a lot of words for, "yes, I forgot." Guy's own fucking words, you chud. He meant it to be a parallel, grow the fuck up. Not everything is about comforting you, FFS.
What is it you think I forgot? No one's forgetting how there's people spending a lot of time trying to convince everyone that anything that recognizes the existence of Jews should be labelled "zionists" and be a target of hatred.
I also haven't forgotten then general pattern of posts on "Lemmy Shitpost". One day Gal Gadot is the target of your two minutes hate, next day it's this guy I never even heard of before.
Also I haven't forgotten that this isn't the first time in history people have acted this way. Not everything is about comforting you by making you feel like no one notices this pattern of behaviour.
Things have changed significantly since Super Mario Bros. was released. For example, vast majority of video games released these days feature no senseless violence toward turtles. Many even portray turtles in factual, chilly way! 🐢
If we want to be charitable there's a nugget of truth to what he's saying though. I'm 48 now and I've played computer games since I was seven, and I've worked with game development myself. TLOU was the first game that felt like it had a story for someone who's 40+. It felt like some kind of milestone. The art of games has matured significantly in the past 15 years.
I think there are a lot of candidates before TLOU, and you are being very charitable I would say.
The first game that I remember having a worthwhile story is probably Max Payne (themes of bereavement, drug addiction, betrayal) or the Thief games (environmental storytelling!)
Neither was Leisure Suit Larry. But I'd argue that the the game still appealed more to kids than to adults. With TLOU I saw something else happen: many kids hated the ending, while dads like me totally got it.
I am 43 and feel it necessary to point out that this a really ignorant take. Not that storytelling in games hasn't progressed, but discounting the myriad of games (especially in the RPG genre) that have excellent storytelling is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.
Hey, it's subjective. And you're misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm not saying there haven't been games with excellent storytelling. FF7, Another World, Space Quest 3 come to my mind. There are undoubtedly a hundred more. But in reality those games still appealed more to us kids than my dad. With TLOU I feel like something new happened: the story resonated more with the dad in the house (me) than with the kids.
Yeah, it's worded stupidly, but there's a point there. TLOU was emotive in a way I haven't felt often in video game writing. Ref how well it adapted into TV.
I think what he's getting at is that gaming has focused more on gameplay loop than storytelling, which is generally fair.
If anyone has recommendations for games they think have writing of comparable quality, lay them on me. For me so far the pantheon is bioshock, RDR2, TLOU, and I have high hopes for Bg3.
Planescape Torment, The Longest Journey, Max Payne, Mafia the city of Lost Heaven, BioWare games (KotOR, Mass Effect, etc), Persona 3/4, Dead Space, Alan Wake, Deus Ex... I mean storytelling over gameplay is Quantic Dream's whole schtick, success/failure aside. Previous Naughty Dog games.
There's a bit of a a conflation between cinematic presentation and storytelling. I literally grew up on story driven games well before TLoU. Homeworld was absolutely haunting with its understated dialogue, sweeping score, and timeless themes.
Even the year before TLoU, Spec Ops the Line came out, a deft and timely reimagining of The Heart of Darkness for the late Iraq war era--adding into it through the mechanics of the shooter genre. Talk about literary.
Oh shit dead space, yeah that definitely needs to go higher up my list.
Cinema/storytelling interesting point. For sure there's a lot of personal taste at play. Maybe the other dimension is agency in the story. A branching narrative is obviously harder to write/produce but is what separates games from other media (which is a reasonable critique for e.g. TLOU, which works so well as just... a HBO series).
The first two are "walking simulators", i.e. very linear. But the story telling of all three is amazing. Firewatch also feels like a "game for grown-ups". It deals with a person who leaves his wife because she gets early onset dementia. He runs off to work as a firewatch in a national park. Lots of complicated feelings involved and an extremely engaging mystery unfolding.
A part of me really does want to get onboard with the “there isn’t enough representation of women in video games” train, but I just love looking at dudes’ bums.
The cut scenes are good, but the stealth bits are really exciting gameplay too. Genuinely scared my partner with the faces I pulled playing the left behind expansion.
https://youtu.be/e5jDspIC4hY?t=214 is the timestamp for that final definition of what I generally try to push as the definition of a game. Not sure I agree with it, but it's an interesting take and what I was mostly speaking to.
Ah interesting. I'm a big fan of the "what is a sport" pub chat, so this is fun too. "single player game" = oxymoron doesn't hit common understanding of what constitutes a game, but I don't think we have a word for the subset of games being singled out here.
Is there a level of capability for AI where you would consider them "agents" according to this schema? Obviously TLOU enemies don't qualify, and multiplayer is generally more fun. Aah so many questions. I'm going to have to find someone who will put up with 2hrs of debate on this if I stand them pints.
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Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip · 217 pts · 4d
It's frustrating how people in charge are so far away from reality.
Remember when Kathleen Kennedy said that writing for Star Wars is hard because there aren't any books and comics?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 61 pts · 4d
She can't have said that.
TallonMetroid@lemmy.world · 96 pts · 4d
Hate to break it to you, but...
https://www.superherohype.com/movies/472176-kathleen-kennedy-claims-star-wars-films-have-no-source-material
snooggums@piefed.world · 53 pts · 4d
This explains so much.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 4d
What the ACTUAL fuck?
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 4d
Can't use material you don't own, if your primary interest is money.
tempest@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 4d
No books or comics*
*That we own the rights to
Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 3d
But they did take things from pre-Disney books (and made them worse)
TaterTot@piefed.social · 12 pts · 4d
So on one hand, that reads to me like she meant "we are not pulling from the existing comics or books", as opposed to "we are unaware of them".
On the other hand, Darth Caedus (aka Jacen Solo) might have something to say about Kylo Ren being an "original concept" that "was not pulled from the books or comics".
Kanda@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 3d
There's no Disney source material
Stefan_S_from_H@piefed.zip · 16 pts · 4d
https://www.rollingstone.com/feature/lucasfilm-president-kathleen-kennedy-interview-rise-skywalker-future-star-wars-912393/
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 4d
As bad as that last movie was, I'm still glad Colin Trevorrow want allowed anywhere near it. There are few directors who are that out of their depth when given a big budget...
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 4d
What the Michael A. Stackpole is she on about?
NotSteve_@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 4d
Lol what? That's like saying drawing is hard if there's no connect the dots
static09@piefed.world · 22 pts · 4d
I have a biased take here, but:
It's so much worse than that. It's like saying "We can't trace any completed connect the dots drawings" when there were 200 already completed connect the dots drawings specifically based on Star Wars.
I would kill to have a Darth Bane movie trilogy or two movies based on Revan. There's even a Star Wars zombie book they could have turned into a movie at the height of the zombie media craze for crying out loud.
Horribly, horribly mismanaged.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
Two zombie books, one set during the Old Republic and then another set during the Imperial era. Both are pretty solid, though I'd give the crown to death troopers since I get some real Dead Space vibes from it.
snooggums@piefed.world · 7 pts · 4d
It is like she is saying filming Lord of the Rings was hard because there were no books to start from.
brb@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
There are Star Wars books and comics??
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 109 pts · 4d
It's like hearing someone say "there were no strong female leads in movies before the Hunger Games"
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 4d
Ellen Ripley enters the chat
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 9 pts · 4d
Foxy Brown looks on from the back of the bus.
TastyWheat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
"Did IQs just drop sharply while I was away?"
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3d
Nuke the site from orbit
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
Yes I'm pretty sure her actress replied to that. At least in the screenshot that was posted here, no idea if it was real or not
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 3d
Sigourney Weaver enters the chat
MML@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 3d
Sucker Punch came out a year before
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 1 pts · 2d
Steady on now!
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
I was about to post that. Thanks for saving me the trouble.
thiscat@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 79 pts · 4d
i love how it says 1972 while showing the original super mario bros
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 28 pts · 4d
Anyone else with fond 1970s memories of finding the parents' lock to the coinbox of the home NES?
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 73 pts · 4d
Super Mario Bros was published in 1985 not 1972 but yeah.
Back in the 90's, video games were new enough that you could forgive the film industry for not being familiar with them. It's been 30 years. They still don't get it.
grahamja@reddthat.com · 36 pts · 3d
They don't play video games, they do coke or children. They live different lives than us poors.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 3d
I kinda stand with Yahtzee Croshaw on this: The video game industry is a lot bigger than the film industry and makes a hell of a lot more money, so filmmakers should probably do a little learning their place.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Got it, fire everyone after the film is completed.
rainwall@piefed.social · 9 pts · 3d
Thats pretty much what already happens in films. Most people work on one of them and then have to be rehired for the next.
LogicalDrivel@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 3d
I mean, lets be fair here. Its both coke and children.
Goforce5@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I know bartenders who do a lot of coke. That doesn't take that much money.
AngryRedHerring@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 3d
You're being too generous. In the 90s we were playing PlayStation and TV shows were still using the death sound from Atari Pac-Man
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Yes, like GoldenEye. No one played it, and it was definitely not a popular FPS where you jumped on enemies. It's an obscure game based on the obscure movie where James Bond jumped on every single woman he saw. /s
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 3d
There have been more good Movie: The Video Game releases than Video Game: The Movie.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
It's maybe 50/50 on Movie: Game releases. The NES had a TON of really terrible movie-based games, some utterly unplayable.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
The NES had a bunch of garbage software anyway. Look at Hydlide or King's Knight.
gigastasio@sh.itjust.works · 66 pts · 4d
Have I been playing Skyrim wrong all this time?
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 45 pts · 4d
Someone call a psychiatrist, we have another case of Other Games Syndrome.
You'll be ok. Let's just sit down and play either of your games. Do you want to play Super Mario, or Last of Us
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 4d
No, it's the same thing. You're an arrow who jumps on the heads of enemies.
Wait, you didn't think you were the person with the bow did you? The stealth archer is inconsequential to the story. It's the arrow that matters.
ms_lane@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 4d
You owe Todd a lot of quarters missy.
realitista@lemmus.org · 51 pts · 3d
There are actually very few games overall where you jump on enemies.
Renat@szmer.info · 24 pts · 3d
Assassin creed series
alekwithak@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
Church climbing simulator?
BigBananaDealer@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
this is the real reason why the people of lemmy hate the industry
kamen@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 4d
I've got a suspicion that this is one of those "say something intentionally stupid so that everyone jumps on the train to correct you and create engagement".
boonhet@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 3d
Next up: post a math problem with no right answers and watch the post get a million comments (where only 10% notice the lack of a right answer)
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
It's Cunningham's Law in action.
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
Sod's Razor
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
I couldn't find your reference on google, could you explain what that is and how it relates or corrects my comment of Cunningham's Law?
MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
It was an amalgamation of sod's law and occam's razor, to be purposefully wrong
HoneyMustardGas@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
lol
selokichtli@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 3d
That's how everything in the internet works nowadays. I just can't do it. Everyone (mostly bots I suspect) seem to want to get pissed off or feel themselves like correct or interesting.
kamen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
I try to "vote with my wallet" on these things whenever I can.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
You can’t just call people on the spectrum bots :P
ohulancutash@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 3d
Or someone says something evocative of their meaning but not fully fact-checked and cited because they aren’t a clanker.
kamen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
There's not all that much fact checking about something like that. It's not like they claimed something and got one small detail wrong. It's just a blanket statement that is unsubstantiated. Assuming they have common knowledge of the industry they're in, it takes just one game that is not coin-operated and has some save functionality to make the original statement invalid.
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 3d
Honestly, I'm more angry about the meme creator thinking that Super Mario Bros. was 1972.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
1972 Mario would've been a literal room-size machine
pjwestin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
myyass@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 3d
That's right because playing Dark Souls, I had to insert my sanity in the coin slot every time I died and it said Thanks Obama.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 3d
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Ah yes the torture boss fight.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
At least on the first time or two.
EonNShadow@pawb.social · 6 pts · 3d
Wonderful mod, that one
myyass@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Yeah I got a good giggle out of it.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 34 pts · 4d
Nobody else inserted quarters into their computer whenever you died in Doom?
Klear@piefed.world · 33 pts · 4d
You can't die in Doom. Per the quote - you die after jumping on enemies. The lack of jump button and infinitely tall monsters were specifically implemented to prevent player death in Doom.
MarcomachtKuchen@feddit.org · 11 pts · 4d
That’s why it’s considered a milestone game. Truely astonishingly design.
spicytuna62@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 4d
I did once. The quarter fell onto some solder points and short circuited a bunch of stuff. Fried the whole machine. This was back in the early 90s, of course, when a typical computer cost as much as a nice used car and maybe four people in the county had one, much less knew how to fix one. Some original joke about getting beaten with jumper cables. Sometimes the hard lessons are the ones that stick with you most because as I got older, I learned how to solder and perform board level repairs. It's an insanely useful skill.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 30 pts · 4d
The Last of Us whas the first game you could play without quarters? I had no idea. That's pretty incredible.
Ryanmiller70@lemmy.zip · 22 pts · 4d
I was listening to a podcast recently, New York Videogames Critics Circle, and they talked about The Last of Us 1 and 2 and Neil Druckman as if it was the first game to ever make the player feel emotions. Like not just that it did so successfully, but that it did it at all.
kreiger@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 4d
Super Mario Bros came out in 1985, not 1972. Pong was 1972.
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 4d
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 4d
Grateful for you both bc I did not catch that part of the joke lol
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 4d
That's literally not the joke though. The joke doesn't change at all if we correct the date to 1985, so clearly the error not only isn't the joke, it's not even a part of the joke. How is this so upvoted? People just slackjawed reacting like "omfg I remember the Simpsons!"
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 3d
I think it is an important part of the joke, because it reinforces that no other types of games exist in this guys mind
Vespair@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 3d
That makes no sense. You could literally remove the dates entirely and that point would still be made just by Mario -> Last of Us. Having the incorrect date for Mario doesn't reinforce that point in any way.
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d
I think having the incorrect date for Mario makes it be more funnier
Vespair@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3d
That's fine, you can enjoy the silliness of an error or fun addition to the joke. But that's still not "the joke" being made, which is my point.
TherapyGary@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 3d
It's definitely not the joke, but you can't know that it wasn't an intentional part of the joke being made
kreiger@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
No, the joke was that since 1985 there's been no games, but the image says 1972.
bequirtle@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 3d
Philomena Cunk on video games
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 4d
The Last of Us is just something I cannot get in to. Been trying for 10 years. I just do not care and it bores me to death even when I was trying to force myself to stay with it. Turns out as I get older, I still don't want walking simulators. I still just want more of the games I played as a kid, and luckily I still have them all.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 4d
It is fine to have a different experience and taste in games. But The Last Of Us is absolutely not a Walking Sim. For one thing, Walking Sims, by definition, have no combat. You just walk around and explore a place and uncover a story along the way. TLOU is filled with stealth combat and 3rd person shooting, survival horror style resource management, as well as exploration and an unfolding story.
I think what you mean is that you dislike Narrative-driven adventure games. Walking Sims are a sub-genre of narrative driven games, but not all narrative driven games are Walking Sims. The Last Of Us is an narrative- driven action-adventure survival-horror game.
Einskjaldi@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
You can bypass 90% of the game challenges by just running past it, it works alarmingly well.
kryptonianCodeMonkey@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Okay. Doesn't make it a walking sim still
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
I like walking sims but I hate stealth action games. Will never be able to play TLOU.
Also hearing about what they did in the 2nd one kinda kills my interest.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
Did what in the second one? Made the stealth action more involved?
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
STORY SPOILERS AHEAD
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The second game starts off with killing the MC from the first game and you follow the other MC around on their revenge tour. From the bits I’ve seen it’s going for an ultra gritty, introspective, Walking Dead style narrative that I just honestly don’t care for anymore. It’s just not my thing.
I also don’t want to invest in the series when I know the main guy from the first one gets done dirty.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3d
I wouldn't call it "Walking Dead" style. If anything, it wears its Cormac McCarthy influences on its sleeve. If the first game was The Road, the second game is Blood Meridian. The story is intentionally dreary, miserable, uncomfortable, and emotionally draining. Kotaku's review of the game was pretty on the money for a lot of people, it's entirely possible to be so put off by the tone and story of the game because it's so miserable.
The thing is that you play as Ellie and then as Abby to get both perspectives on the story. The entire message of the game is that revenge and unending conflict a downward spiral of self-destruction. Joel gets done dirty... but so does everyone. That's the whole point of the game.
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 3d
Sure. I respect the choice and understand why people like it. But it’s definitely not a story for me. I think I’d just burn out of playing something that dreary for so long only then having to go through it again from the other perspective.
Between that and hating stealth games it’s just not a game for me.
I can respect that others love it but it’s not a game for me.
late_pessimistic@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 3d
BTW Lemmy supports spoiler tag for cases like this. You can write using this template:
To get the following result:
::: spoiler write whatever button name you want here write whatever spoiler you want :::
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 3d
Maybe it's the gay or the woman with muscles
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
It’s not that. It’s story beats. I explained it in another comment.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 3d
Unfortunately foe the both of us, because rightwingers used this game for their agenda, neither of us will ever be taken seriously. It's like telling one of those narcissists that make their abusive childhood their entire personality that running a stoplight is bad.
I hope the 4th Witcher game ends up being good, because I'm not sure how many more times I can watch the same situation go down, man.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 3d
Made a questionable choice with the story that required retconning the depiction of the final antagonists from the first game, among other choices.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
I dunno what you heard but the Fireflies didn't get retconned.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · -2 pts · 3d
In the ps3 release the Fireflies hospital was dirty and dingy. In the sequel it's all squeaky clean.
In the first game the Fireflies are portrayed as shortsighted and incapable of even crossing the country with heavy weaponry. In the sequel they're treated as if they were perfectly capable of making and disseminating a vaccine.
Neil clearly didn't like how the first games story turned out and made the sequel into his little fanfic.
blartcap_@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 3d
Your idea of a retcon is that the hospital looks different in the sequel game in that tiny cutscene you see? It's not even true, the hospital is still dirty and dingy. You're also claiming a character having a wishful opinion is a retcon.
Neither of these are retcons.
There's zero plot or story changes here too to even start making the assertion a retcon happened. How and why are you escalating to accusing the entire TLOU2 of being a fanfic because of two extremely minor things about the previous game, one of which isn't even true.
Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 3d
It's literally the definition of a retcon, and there's way more, but you're clearly not worth talking to.
You really don't see a difference here?!?
myotheraccount@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
I absolutely loved playing The Last of Us. But I find no enjoyment in ever playing it again (I tried and got bored). It will be like rewatching a movie I've seen, but meanwhile having to relearn how to watch it as well. I think these storydriven games have their place, but there are surely more engaging games.
Evotech@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
I agree. Rogue lites and choose 3
v4ld1z@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 3d
+2 +2
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
I've been balls fucking deep in Spider-Man 2 lately. I got it a couple weeks ago and haven't stopped since. I'm already almost 100% done with my NG+ run. I got a bunch of costume mods and some gameplay tweak mods, and I'm having a blast swinging around the expanded NYC (including Queens and Brooklyn) in all these different costumes that all honestly look fantastic.
It's just more of the same/similar Spider-Man games we've all been playing for the better part of 20 years, but it's just so goddamn fun.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Seemed like my sort of game, but I don't like third-person, so I didn't even try playing it.
SomethingBurger@jlai.lu · 0 pts · 3d
TLoU is as far as I know the only instance of a movie or series adaptation of a video game being better than its source material.
FluidBeef@quokk.au · 14 pts · 3d
I got pretty fed up with always needing change to play Counter Strike.
Anchorxiety@reddthat.com · 12 pts · 4d
I have to admit I miss the days before the invention of the home console and PC in 2012 😣
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 4d
I can't think of any aspect of The Last of Us that didn't appear in an earlier game. It was well enough done, but I don't feel like it was innovative in any way.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d
As far as I'm concerned Pong is the ONLY video game worth playing.
Imhotep@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3d
Pretty simple they hit the ball in your direction, you hit it back.
Truck simulator 2012 changed that.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
all downhill from there... not
ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 3d
It went back and forth.
BreadOven@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
Hahahaha yes!
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3d
yup
ImgurRefugee114@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 4d
I keep jumping people in leisure suit Larry and they aren't dying is this a bug
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
You might get a bug.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 3d
The showrunner of TLOU was also the head writer for the game.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 3d
It was the other showrunner, Craig Mazin, who said this. He doesn’t work in vidya gaems Though I can’t find the original source where he said it. So could be a shitpost.
Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 3d
According to google, this popular meme is entirely fictional.
I do not trust google but i am skeptical all around
Edit with the real quote that inspired this:
“They didn't shoot anything out of their eyeballs. They were just people. And that, in and of itself, is remarkably rare in games”
Combined with calling tlos “the greatest story that has ever been told in video games”
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 9 pts · 3d
The Last of Sus?
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 3d
movies and tv shows are pretty simple -- you had charlie chaplin and leave it to beaver and then the last of us on HBO.
i have a private school/ivy league education in film theory btw. i'm short for time, so excuse the grammer.
DudeImMacGyver@kbin.earth · 9 pts · 4d
Is that a real quote?
Delusions@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 4d
if you don't think so, spend the two seconds it takes to search it out yourself
Nope doesn't look like it, looks like it was someone being gamergate about videogames
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 4d
The absence of evidence is no evidence of absence
Jiggle_Physics@quokk.au · 5 pts · 3d
It is however the absence of reason to assume it's factual
In this case though this is real. Where it might have been said to not be real is the quote is often attributed to the director of the game, where as it was actually said by the screen writer of the show.
Zahille7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
Alright, Gin Rummy
abbiistabbii@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 4d
Clearly the showrunner has never played a video game.
OriginEnergySux@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 4d
Lol can you imagine the jump if that's how it was 🤣
boletus@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2d
Craig Mazin never said this at all. The closest source I could find on it is a seemingly bot generated article about a sarcastic tweet that someone made about him.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
I guess Zionism is a bold innovation in video game storytelling now.
Edit: putting this here because I know you goddamn morons arent gonna read two comments down:
https://www.reversecanarymission.org/person/neil-druckmann
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-not-so-hidden-israeli-politics-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii/
https://time.com/7275781/the-last-of-us-controversy-israel-gaza/
This isn't even a controversial association, you people have to fucking grow up.
"Druckmann has openly stated that the themes of revenge and cyclical violence in The Last of Us Part II stem from his reaction to the 2000 Ramallah lynching of two Israeli soldiers, where footage of the event filled him with "intense hatred" and a desire to "kill all these people that committed this horrible act" and "make them feel the same pain." He later reflected on feeling "gross and guilty" for these impulses, but used them as the foundation for the game's narrative. Druckmann also draws parallels to Israeli politics, citing the 2011 exchange of over 1,000 Palestinian prisoners for captured Israeli soldier Gilad Shalit, noting how his father viewed the deal as harmful to Israel overall but would release every prisoner to save his own son. These inspirations manifest in The Last of Us Part II's portrayal of warring factions: the secular, militarized Washington Liberation Front (WLF), equipped with advanced weaponry and resources, mirrors the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) as a "brutal but well-intended" military, while the Seraphites, a religious cult engaging in ritual disembowelment and fanaticism, dehumanizes Palestinians as an extremist threat akin to Hamas."
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 4d
Not everything has something to do with Zionism FFS.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 4d
lol, lmao even. Literally the most famous video game instance of it:
https://www.reversecanarymission.org/person/neil-druckmann
https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-not-so-hidden-israeli-politics-of-the-last-of-us-part-ii/
https://time.com/7275781/the-last-of-us-controversy-israel-gaza/
Maybe read a bit eh. Did you like, forget this was a famous story not three years ago?
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 3d
Yeah I know there's some really deranged people on the internet.
It's a bizarre thing when people think that proving the existence of a narrative is the same thing as something being true.
Apparently there's a synagogue in it so some people are upset by that. You'll of course claim that Zionism is not the same as antisemitism, while also spending a lot of time reading a lot of articles that tell you to hate a video game because it shows a synagogue in it.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
That was a lot of words for, "yes, I forgot." Guy's own fucking words, you chud. He meant it to be a parallel, grow the fuck up. Not everything is about comforting you, FFS.
SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1d
What is it you think I forgot? No one's forgetting how there's people spending a lot of time trying to convince everyone that anything that recognizes the existence of Jews should be labelled "zionists" and be a target of hatred.
I also haven't forgotten then general pattern of posts on "Lemmy Shitpost". One day Gal Gadot is the target of your two minutes hate, next day it's this guy I never even heard of before.
Also I haven't forgotten that this isn't the first time in history people have acted this way. Not everything is about comforting you by making you feel like no one notices this pattern of behaviour.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Hey, read the sources I provided.
LazyOldPervert@lemmus.org · 4 pts · 4d
You kinda undercut your point when you say that the most famous video game of all time was released aover a decade before it actually was. . .
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Which is?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 4d
The point or the game?
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4d
Sorry, the game
lyrial@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 3d
The start of the timeline is the release of Pong.
tigeruppercut@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 3d
Doom? Pacman?
LazyOldPervert@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 3d
Clearly I'm talking about the Sims
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 3d
Things have changed significantly since Super Mario Bros. was released. For example, vast majority of video games released these days feature no senseless violence toward turtles. Many even portray turtles in factual, chilly way! 🐢
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 4d
If we want to be charitable there's a nugget of truth to what he's saying though. I'm 48 now and I've played computer games since I was seven, and I've worked with game development myself. TLOU was the first game that felt like it had a story for someone who's 40+. It felt like some kind of milestone. The art of games has matured significantly in the past 15 years.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 4d
Clearly you've never played the cinematic masterpiece that is Sonic Adventure 2.
FishFace@piefed.social · 12 pts · 4d
I think there are a lot of candidates before TLOU, and you are being very charitable I would say.
The first game that I remember having a worthwhile story is probably Max Payne (themes of bereavement, drug addiction, betrayal) or the Thief games (environmental storytelling!)
how_we_burned@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 4d
Come on, Space Quest V was not written for kids
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 4d
Neither was Leisure Suit Larry. But I'd argue that the the game still appealed more to kids than to adults. With TLOU I saw something else happen: many kids hated the ending, while dads like me totally got it.
lyrial@anarchist.nexus · 6 pts · 3d
I am 43 and feel it necessary to point out that this a really ignorant take. Not that storytelling in games hasn't progressed, but discounting the myriad of games (especially in the RPG genre) that have excellent storytelling is ignorant at best and disingenuous at worst.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 3d
Hey, it's subjective. And you're misrepresenting what I'm saying. I'm not saying there haven't been games with excellent storytelling. FF7, Another World, Space Quest 3 come to my mind. There are undoubtedly a hundred more. But in reality those games still appealed more to us kids than my dad. With TLOU I feel like something new happened: the story resonated more with the dad in the house (me) than with the kids.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 4d
Yeah, it's worded stupidly, but there's a point there. TLOU was emotive in a way I haven't felt often in video game writing. Ref how well it adapted into TV.
I think what he's getting at is that gaming has focused more on gameplay loop than storytelling, which is generally fair.
If anyone has recommendations for games they think have writing of comparable quality, lay them on me. For me so far the pantheon is bioshock, RDR2, TLOU, and I have high hopes for Bg3.
Soleos@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 3d
Planescape Torment, The Longest Journey, Max Payne, Mafia the city of Lost Heaven, BioWare games (KotOR, Mass Effect, etc), Persona 3/4, Dead Space, Alan Wake, Deus Ex... I mean storytelling over gameplay is Quantic Dream's whole schtick, success/failure aside. Previous Naughty Dog games.
There's a bit of a a conflation between cinematic presentation and storytelling. I literally grew up on story driven games well before TLoU. Homeworld was absolutely haunting with its understated dialogue, sweeping score, and timeless themes.
Even the year before TLoU, Spec Ops the Line came out, a deft and timely reimagining of The Heart of Darkness for the late Iraq war era--adding into it through the mechanics of the shooter genre. Talk about literary.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
Oh shit dead space, yeah that definitely needs to go higher up my list.
Cinema/storytelling interesting point. For sure there's a lot of personal taste at play. Maybe the other dimension is agency in the story. A branching narrative is obviously harder to write/produce but is what separates games from other media (which is a reasonable critique for e.g. TLOU, which works so well as just... a HBO series).
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 4d
The first two are "walking simulators", i.e. very linear. But the story telling of all three is amazing. Firewatch also feels like a "game for grown-ups". It deals with a person who leaves his wife because she gets early onset dementia. He runs off to work as a firewatch in a national park. Lots of complicated feelings involved and an extremely engaging mystery unfolding.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 3d
I need to find more time for walking sim stuff. Played "everybody's gone to the rapture" and ejoyed it.
tias@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 3d
Firewatch and What remains of Edith Finch both take around four hours to finish. You can easily finish them in a day or two.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
It's like you've never heard of Star Control 2: The Ur-Quan Masters
abc@suppo.fi · 3 pts · 3d
Now they eat strawberries gaily
JimVanDeventer@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
A part of me really does want to get onboard with the “there isn’t enough representation of women in video games” train, but I just love looking at dudes’ bums.
Enzy@feddit.nu · 2 pts · 4d
Uncharted my beloved
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 4d
Also, once you think about it, the last of us isn't even categorically a game.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 4d
The cut scenes are good, but the stealth bits are really exciting gameplay too. Genuinely scared my partner with the faces I pulled playing the left behind expansion.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 4d
https://youtu.be/e5jDspIC4hY?t=214 is the timestamp for that final definition of what I generally try to push as the definition of a game. Not sure I agree with it, but it's an interesting take and what I was mostly speaking to.
julietOscarEcho@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 4d
Ah interesting. I'm a big fan of the "what is a sport" pub chat, so this is fun too. "single player game" = oxymoron doesn't hit common understanding of what constitutes a game, but I don't think we have a word for the subset of games being singled out here.
Is there a level of capability for AI where you would consider them "agents" according to this schema? Obviously TLOU enemies don't qualify, and multiplayer is generally more fun. Aah so many questions. I'm going to have to find someone who will put up with 2hrs of debate on this if I stand them pints.