My dude, you've posted once since you've joined. You could re-type it out for him? Don't be so harsh on the content posters. If it bothers you so much, start posting your own memes the old school way. I could see you being shitty if you're doing everything by hand. https://imgflip.com/memegenerator
But certainly more than 2 while bitching about other people's content? This is just to distract from the OP's point for you guys anyway, right? That's why I picked this one to confront you guys, it's not that big of a deal if it's distracted from.
Well, it's not the OP's content. It's not even the content of whoever posted it for the first time. It's AI slop and you're embarassing yourself trying to defend it
shadow ban. They only let some of them through. Every now and then I post to a random community that's not theirs, and it sneaks through their filter. It's not a big deal, it is what it is.
The half of the Hispanic demographic which doesn't work for ICE probably isn't coming back. I saw a clip where a Portuguese restaurant chain owner was going out of business and said "I thought he was going to be a good businessman and get the economy back on track."
The average joe doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on outside of the occasional fox news clip or TikTok.
This is always so frustrating. Republican policies are not good for the economy! They lead to poisoned air and water and like two mega corps in a cartel charging you unreasonable rates!
yes its like every time there is improvement during the democrats term but the republicans are like. its not enough we would have it better by now and then every time they inflate the stockmarket but bury the economy.
"So of course now you've learned you're a gullible dumbass with poor decision making skills and you'll listen the next time someone smarter than you tries to warn you, right? Right?"
Every single republican voter has to have something bad happen to them personally before they'll support the opposite. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. They're incapable of thinking how it'll affect them until it does. It's really pathetic.
Honestly I have to agree with this. My grandfather became the most solid democrat you could ever find, to the point where he actively participates in the election system during polling days and drives candidates around.
He used to be a solid republican, but he got super burned with his retirement due to the dismantlement of the system back during I think it was the bush era(?).
Honestly I wish he didn't go so hard core though, like he went so far down the hole he uses MS Now as his news source which is basically Fox News but for the other direction :\
We did everything we could to tell them this would happen. Project 2025 was out there. They choose to believe the shit peddlers over the facts, again. Now, Project 2025 is about 60% complete and the US is a joke on the world stage.
I don't care what they think anymore. They destroyed their own country and I cheer every time one of them suffers due to the shit-show they chose.
You wanted to own the libs at any cost right? Well it's time to pay up bitches.
When who send us to the showers? The one who left Trump's movement? Or the ones still in who could be convinced out by those who left, if someone cared about them and helped them?
What good does it bring to just laught at them?
How rejecting them is different from Trump's politics of rejecting all the “not like us”?
I mean I saw the people who "had a moment of clarity" in 2007, realized that Bush was a war criminal bring led by the nose by the defence and banking industry who ruined the country. And then suffered 0 literal 0 consequences.
And I saw who they voted for 8 years later.
So ya fuck em. Their broken. Built wrong. I'm not gonna give them a moment of peace or suffer their credence. I'm not gonna listen to them soft-pedal their excuses and try to limit our potentials because "It's just like what Trump would have done."
If they want to come to our side I want them to lie. I want them to be so ashamed they invent a fictional reality and live in that. Because I don't want them on our side if they're talking about how they didn't know what he was gonna do.
"It is their fault if they are as they are, so they do not deserve anything."
Put who ever you want as the "they", it is still fascism.
The society you live in seems pushing its population to think that way. But no, it is not a "natural" way of thinking.
A recent post showed a study made in New York to find why maga neighborhood voted for the new mayor. The study shows how some people have clearly no political education and a very poor critical thinking capacity. You can't decently blame them for being abused, just as you can't blame the victime for the crime.
They would need help, and without it they will keep "limit your potentials".
True, but also, I hope no Democrat or Democratic ally says this to someone who has left the Republican party. Just thank them for changing their mind and move on. If they are no longer voting Republican, try to keep it that way.
Maybe if the libs weren’t so smug and obnoxious about calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid then people wouldn’t want to own them all the time.
You mean how this disgusting orange pedo commonly refers to the opposition as dumocrats...you're ok with that but your snowflake fee-fees get hurt of they did the same to you and yours?
He bragged about sexually assaulting women, and got elected, tried to overturn the next election with violence, stole a huge pile of documents, which was illegal, had multiple felonies, but got away with it all and elected again.
Yea and no. If they haven’t actually learned anything then they will continue making the same mistakes and being the same problem. Conservatives should be radicalizing people and yet there are still hordes of centrists going “yea but maaaaaybe” and conservatives who are just mad at one particular guy but will forget it all right quick.
While I understand the sentiment (and harbor it myself) this sort of "I'm rubbing your face in it" rhetoric does nothing constructive. It isn't propaganda for would-be Trump cult survivors. It's mere pandering to those on the right side of history by sneering at "the other".
If I saw a crack in any of my MAGA-cult relative's façades or genuine walls I would leap at the opportunity to commiserate as an entry point to more reality-alignment discussion and see how far I could get.
People must stop doing harm before being taken back in as comrades but they're still human being who deserve, and must be allowed by society, the opportunity to improve themselves and their behavior.
Disallowing that leads to much worse alternatives. Barring genuine sociopathy: we seek, and are often driven by, acceptance. It's part of what soliciters of right-wing ideologies (e.g., manosphere) exploit, especially with young men, to convince them alignment with fascist theory as a way of life emotionally and sociopolitically must be within their best interest.
But let's even go so far as to discard empathy and sentiment for a moment. If we set our humanity aside and consider this strategically (transactionally) then I see this as an opportunity to potentially mitigate harm. I am going to seize that advantage. Even if I've lost hope for that particular cultist. Taking the time to be supportive of (what may only ever turn out to be) a lapse in otherwise perpetual cognitive misfire may divert their path from "worst outcome" to "unacceptable but not an active threat". I cannot effectively work with material if I find the material revolting.
I think even this colder perspective pushes us closer toward exercising empathy though. Because that's the pit in my stomach that churned injustice into compulsion for radical action. The deep-seated stark truth that every feeling creature deserves respect and the opportunity to create safety together. That the promises of authoritarian rhetoric are a perversion of literal civilization.
At possibly its most blunt and mundane: "I don't want other people abusing me, and; if I think I am the same thing other people are then it's not going to feel good, or be reasonable, for me to abuse others.
Sneering is for snobs. The snobbish turn their nose at impure things because of, at least in part, their disgust of what's stained them. Transposed onto persons directly that disgust reduces one or some of us to merely a point on which one may anchor one's rage.
I won't do that. Both because it offers no advantage in advancing even triage to response, let alone treatment, and because I find it distasteful, at best, without effort.
A lot of us are just tired of dealing with the actual children that compose 90% of maga, you give someone 900 warning signs and they say "lol funny angry liberals!!" You're not sneering at them for being on the wrong side of history, you're sneering at them for ignoring every single sign on purpose because they thought it wouldn't affect them. It's like people watching videos of auschwitz and then turning in their neighbor anyway to own the libs. I can see people not being willing to use kid gloves with them after that.
If you're tired of dealing with them, you don't even need to express empathy as the gp post so eloquently described, just don't throw it back in their faces if they show signs of breaking away, even a little bit. If you don't have the energy to respond to them and try to expand that break, maybe someone else does, but if you are hostile you'll just drive them back into the darkness and make them that much harder to ever pull away.
None of this means you have to welcome them with open arms, or even forget what they've done. Just give them a space to be less awful than they were. As the gp post said, thinking strategically we need to break away as many supporters of maga as possible, but that doesn't mean they immediately, or automatically, become allies.
I'm not even opposed to the substance of what they're saying, it's just the way they've framed it as "eye for an eye" or "I told you so" is not fair at all. The amount of horror and loss they subjected everyone else to, while ignoring and waving off every warning sign. If someone lost their family because of trump they would call this guy a monster and be even more disgusted that now he cares only because he was personally affected. That's not an "I told you so haha."
I am personally lucky enough to not be in the shoes of people who were impacted, so I try to do what you and op have said. If someone is affected though, I can say they should try and move forward and pull in someone who's learned better, but that's a huge ask to do for someone who has directly contributed to ruining parts of your life.
I'm not suggesting people engaged in evil do not deserve ire. Punch Nazis. Full stop. Neither am I suggesting we tread gingerly lest we offend. I'm asserting that constructive responses toward those open to correction align with our stated ideals and that destructive attacks which merely stroke the ego of the attacker do not.
We should not want those lost to the cult of MAGA to self-flagelate and apologize because this is not about them and words are cheap. They need to see the harm they've helped cause and start actively counter-acting that harm.
This meme is specifically directed at those who are realizing they've been conned. When someone breaks from delusion, especially delusion that has been central to identity, sharing that with anyone requires vulnerability. If hypocrisy is worth avoiding at all then its value increases wildly around such shared crossroads.
Salt in the wound only benefits the salter who enjoys inflicting useless pain in others. We ought to be better than that. Inability to do so cannot justify the indulgence of cruelty.
i.e., being tired of their bullshit confers no license to vindictive prejudicial lashings.
Fo’ sheezy. If hate is the problem in US politics then any neutral outside observer can’t help but notice the hate runs both ways, viscerally. To me, I’d go further, they seem to be so wrapped up in labels they’ve forgotten their basic humanity.
Edit before posting: Not all USians are consumed with hate - maybe just the vocal ones?
Some of them aren't, it is hard to know how much since our position usually attract both sides' hate. And so those among them, who live with them, but share our view, must live in a constant terror.
Regardless of your personal feelings, it's 100% true: Give your opponent a golden bridge on which to retreat.
Maybe they are reformed and truly see that you were right. Maybe they aren't. Maybe they actually are incredibly stupid and will do the same thing again the first chance they get. But if they're ideologically aligned with your same goals at the moment, then you better open up and make some space for them because I guarantee that your actual enemies are busy doing everything they can to make the path back to the dark side as easy and non-judgemental as possible.
If your goal is a short term win, yeah. For long term you're better off messaging to those who would actually be democrats, rather than appealing to those who buy into the newest snake oil and don't care who it hurts so long as it's not them.
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calebwill@lemmy.zip · 69 pts · 1d
Maybe this didn't need to be AI slop though.
rarWars@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 1d
NEVER SLOP!
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 20h
for real, it would have taken all of 20 seconds to make this on a meme generator site
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -41 pts · 1d
My dude, you've posted once since you've joined. You could re-type it out for him? Don't be so harsh on the content posters. If it bothers you so much, start posting your own memes the old school way. I could see you being shitty if you're doing everything by hand. https://imgflip.com/memegenerator
4am@lemmy.zip · 45 pts · 1d
“It’s better to flood the Internet with bullshit GenAI slop than to wait into you have something worth posting”
Bro, you are the problem
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -36 pts · 1d
Another non-poster. Thanks for your bitching about something you aren't trying to change.
AdolfSchmitler@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 1d
Strawman/Whataboutism?
Its one thing to cuck yourself for AI slop but it's wild trying to think you have the moral high ground for it or something lol
JoeBigelow@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 1d
I am another lurker that doesn't appreciate slop.
Deal with it.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 1d
Sorry. Not all of us have the time to make 5000+ posts on this website.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -24 pts · 1d
But certainly more than 2 while bitching about other people's content? This is just to distract from the OP's point for you guys anyway, right? That's why I picked this one to confront you guys, it's not that big of a deal if it's distracted from.
LostCarcosan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 1d
Well, it's not the OP's content. It's not even the content of whoever posted it for the first time. It's AI slop and you're embarassing yourself trying to defend it
then_three_more@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
The way you're going on at them is as if you had hundreds of posts, rather than 0.
Edit, weird must be something up with .world I can see from your profile stats that you do have posts, but they're not showing.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · -6 pts · 1d
World has me on curated, they only let some through. Not a fan.
then_three_more@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23h
No it was just bugging. It literally showed you only had comments. Then I checked my own profile and it said the same.
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 12h
Nah, dude, there are signs: https://github.com/SleeplessOne1917/lemmy-bouncer
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 1 pts · 22h
What does that mean to be on curated?
pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 12h
shadow ban. They only let some of them through. Every now and then I post to a random community that's not theirs, and it sneaks through their filter. It's not a big deal, it is what it is.
Edit: Here is the code they probably use. https://github.com/SleeplessOne1917/lemmy-bouncer
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1d
No one wants the crap
wholookshere@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 1d
You're the one who thinks its a problem, not a feature.
Also, yeah, let's totally use the tools of our oppressors to overthrow them. That totally works....
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 53 pts · 1d
And if he switched back to hurting others, they would all flock back to him, and lick the grunge between his toes.
FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 20 pts · 1d
The half of the Hispanic demographic which doesn't work for ICE probably isn't coming back. I saw a clip where a Portuguese restaurant chain owner was going out of business and said "I thought he was going to be a good businessman and get the economy back on track."
The average joe doesn't have a fucking clue what's going on outside of the occasional fox news clip or TikTok.
jtrek@startrek.website · 14 pts · 1d
This is always so frustrating. Republican policies are not good for the economy! They lead to poisoned air and water and like two mega corps in a cartel charging you unreasonable rates!
HubertManne@piefed.social · 6 pts · 1d
yes its like every time there is improvement during the democrats term but the republicans are like. its not enough we would have it better by now and then every time they inflate the stockmarket but bury the economy.
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1d
guyoverthere123@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 12h
I wonder if that lady is alive, and has seen this photo of her.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
"So of course now you've learned you're a gullible dumbass with poor decision making skills and you'll listen the next time someone smarter than you tries to warn you, right? Right?"
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 1d
Every single republican voter has to have something bad happen to them personally before they'll support the opposite. Every. Single. Fucking. Time. They're incapable of thinking how it'll affect them until it does. It's really pathetic.
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 1d
They have zero empathy and struggle with irony.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 1d
their hatred always gets in the way.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 1d
And sarcasm.
Pika@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
Honestly I have to agree with this. My grandfather became the most solid democrat you could ever find, to the point where he actively participates in the election system during polling days and drives candidates around.
He used to be a solid republican, but he got super burned with his retirement due to the dismantlement of the system back during I think it was the bush era(?).
Honestly I wish he didn't go so hard core though, like he went so far down the hole he uses MS Now as his news source which is basically Fox News but for the other direction :\
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
"The guy who is constantly lying told the truth the whole time" is certainly a take
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
its almost like you can tell both truth and lines within the same day!
WhoIzDisIz@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1d
Would those be white lines? 'Cause that would 'splain a few things.
jatone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1d
I'll allow it! =)
LeftReddit2@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 20h
Shout outs to the gemini logo in the bottom right.
Strawberry@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 20h
Facebook ass meme
sin_free_for_00_days@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1h
OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 1d
We did everything we could to tell them this would happen. Project 2025 was out there. They choose to believe the shit peddlers over the facts, again. Now, Project 2025 is about 60% complete and the US is a joke on the world stage.
I don't care what they think anymore. They destroyed their own country and I cheer every time one of them suffers due to the shit-show they chose.
You wanted to own the libs at any cost right? Well it's time to pay up bitches.
peacepath@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 12h
That is exactly the mentality which has put Trump in power.
Don't care, don't think, just judge based on your stereotype and without even trying to check reality. Go for hate and revange... it is so tiring
I hope a time will come when we can all calm down and talk about politics with reason rather than hate.
OnyxRex@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 9h
whatever fence-sitter. See you when they send us to the showers I guess.
peacepath@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 9h
When who send us to the showers? The one who left Trump's movement? Or the ones still in who could be convinced out by those who left, if someone cared about them and helped them?
What good does it bring to just laught at them?
How rejecting them is different from Trump's politics of rejecting all the “not like us”?
Alwaysnownevernotme@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4h
I mean I saw the people who "had a moment of clarity" in 2007, realized that Bush was a war criminal bring led by the nose by the defence and banking industry who ruined the country. And then suffered 0 literal 0 consequences.
And I saw who they voted for 8 years later.
So ya fuck em. Their broken. Built wrong. I'm not gonna give them a moment of peace or suffer their credence. I'm not gonna listen to them soft-pedal their excuses and try to limit our potentials because "It's just like what Trump would have done."
If they want to come to our side I want them to lie. I want them to be so ashamed they invent a fictional reality and live in that. Because I don't want them on our side if they're talking about how they didn't know what he was gonna do.
peacepath@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
"It is their fault if they are as they are, so they do not deserve anything."
Put who ever you want as the "they", it is still fascism.
The society you live in seems pushing its population to think that way. But no, it is not a "natural" way of thinking.
A recent post showed a study made in New York to find why maga neighborhood voted for the new mayor. The study shows how some people have clearly no political education and a very poor critical thinking capacity. You can't decently blame them for being abused, just as you can't blame the victime for the crime.
They would need help, and without it they will keep "limit your potentials".
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club · 10 pts · 22h
True, but also, I hope no Democrat or Democratic ally says this to someone who has left the Republican party. Just thank them for changing their mind and move on. If they are no longer voting Republican, try to keep it that way.
thespcicifcocean@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 20h
they might vote dem. but more than likely, they'll vote for the next right wing populist nutjob who comes along so they can own the libs.
knexcar@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 3h
Maybe if the libs weren’t so smug and obnoxious about calling anyone who disagrees with them stupid then people wouldn’t want to own them all the time.
Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
You mean how this disgusting orange pedo commonly refers to the opposition as dumocrats...you're ok with that but your snowflake fee-fees get hurt of they did the same to you and yours?
knexcar@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 41m
I refuse to conflate the terrible actions of a president with the morals of half the country.
Alexfire@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3h
He bragged about sexually assaulting women, and got elected, tried to overturn the next election with violence, stole a huge pile of documents, which was illegal, had multiple felonies, but got away with it all and elected again.
Multi-count felon,
Wasn’t even held in jail,
Workers put in camps
BradleyUffner@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 7h
I'm not going to give anyone grief for leaving maga. Infact, I welcome them back with open arms.
Kowowow@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d
Was it for hitler that someone said don't believe him he's telling the truth?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 12h
Don't look a gift horse in the mouth
Soup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 11h
Yea and no. If they haven’t actually learned anything then they will continue making the same mistakes and being the same problem. Conservatives should be radicalizing people and yet there are still hordes of centrists going “yea but maaaaaybe” and conservatives who are just mad at one particular guy but will forget it all right quick.
Stolas@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 12h
Trying to be open minded and accept people who are willing to change their views here, but it is very, very hard not to be bitter.
It's also very hard to believe that people can change at all.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 11h
Do not forget, and do not try not to be bitter.
Just quietly acknowledge they're making a logical choice while you make sure they stay far away from your life.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
And you know they're all going to come crawling back to Dear Leader and sick his duck.
joranm1@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 21h
It is not only true of the US in 2026, but it is also a rule for too many human beings, to begin to care only when shit is hitting their fan.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 1d
derek@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 1d
While I understand the sentiment (and harbor it myself) this sort of "I'm rubbing your face in it" rhetoric does nothing constructive. It isn't propaganda for would-be Trump cult survivors. It's mere pandering to those on the right side of history by sneering at "the other".
If I saw a crack in any of my MAGA-cult relative's façades or genuine walls I would leap at the opportunity to commiserate as an entry point to more reality-alignment discussion and see how far I could get.
People must stop doing harm before being taken back in as comrades but they're still human being who deserve, and must be allowed by society, the opportunity to improve themselves and their behavior.
Disallowing that leads to much worse alternatives. Barring genuine sociopathy: we seek, and are often driven by, acceptance. It's part of what soliciters of right-wing ideologies (e.g., manosphere) exploit, especially with young men, to convince them alignment with fascist theory as a way of life emotionally and sociopolitically must be within their best interest.
But let's even go so far as to discard empathy and sentiment for a moment. If we set our humanity aside and consider this strategically (transactionally) then I see this as an opportunity to potentially mitigate harm. I am going to seize that advantage. Even if I've lost hope for that particular cultist. Taking the time to be supportive of (what may only ever turn out to be) a lapse in otherwise perpetual cognitive misfire may divert their path from "worst outcome" to "unacceptable but not an active threat". I cannot effectively work with material if I find the material revolting.
I think even this colder perspective pushes us closer toward exercising empathy though. Because that's the pit in my stomach that churned injustice into compulsion for radical action. The deep-seated stark truth that every feeling creature deserves respect and the opportunity to create safety together. That the promises of authoritarian rhetoric are a perversion of literal civilization.
At possibly its most blunt and mundane: "I don't want other people abusing me, and; if I think I am the same thing other people are then it's not going to feel good, or be reasonable, for me to abuse others.
Sneering is for snobs. The snobbish turn their nose at impure things because of, at least in part, their disgust of what's stained them. Transposed onto persons directly that disgust reduces one or some of us to merely a point on which one may anchor one's rage.
I won't do that. Both because it offers no advantage in advancing even triage to response, let alone treatment, and because I find it distasteful, at best, without effort.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 1d
A lot of us are just tired of dealing with the actual children that compose 90% of maga, you give someone 900 warning signs and they say "lol funny angry liberals!!" You're not sneering at them for being on the wrong side of history, you're sneering at them for ignoring every single sign on purpose because they thought it wouldn't affect them. It's like people watching videos of auschwitz and then turning in their neighbor anyway to own the libs. I can see people not being willing to use kid gloves with them after that.
notabot@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
If you're tired of dealing with them, you don't even need to express empathy as the gp post so eloquently described, just don't throw it back in their faces if they show signs of breaking away, even a little bit. If you don't have the energy to respond to them and try to expand that break, maybe someone else does, but if you are hostile you'll just drive them back into the darkness and make them that much harder to ever pull away.
None of this means you have to welcome them with open arms, or even forget what they've done. Just give them a space to be less awful than they were. As the gp post said, thinking strategically we need to break away as many supporters of maga as possible, but that doesn't mean they immediately, or automatically, become allies.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
I'm not even opposed to the substance of what they're saying, it's just the way they've framed it as "eye for an eye" or "I told you so" is not fair at all. The amount of horror and loss they subjected everyone else to, while ignoring and waving off every warning sign. If someone lost their family because of trump they would call this guy a monster and be even more disgusted that now he cares only because he was personally affected. That's not an "I told you so haha."
I am personally lucky enough to not be in the shoes of people who were impacted, so I try to do what you and op have said. If someone is affected though, I can say they should try and move forward and pull in someone who's learned better, but that's a huge ask to do for someone who has directly contributed to ruining parts of your life.
derek@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 20h
I'm not suggesting people engaged in evil do not deserve ire. Punch Nazis. Full stop. Neither am I suggesting we tread gingerly lest we offend. I'm asserting that constructive responses toward those open to correction align with our stated ideals and that destructive attacks which merely stroke the ego of the attacker do not.
We should not want those lost to the cult of MAGA to self-flagelate and apologize because this is not about them and words are cheap. They need to see the harm they've helped cause and start actively counter-acting that harm.
This meme is specifically directed at those who are realizing they've been conned. When someone breaks from delusion, especially delusion that has been central to identity, sharing that with anyone requires vulnerability. If hypocrisy is worth avoiding at all then its value increases wildly around such shared crossroads.
Salt in the wound only benefits the salter who enjoys inflicting useless pain in others. We ought to be better than that. Inability to do so cannot justify the indulgence of cruelty.
i.e., being tired of their bullshit confers no license to vindictive prejudicial lashings.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1d
They refused to listen by snuffing it as “woke.”
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
Meanwhile in Europe, the liberal US imperialists are doing everything to make certain the fascists win.
nanometer1625@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 22h
Liberal imperialists? That's a new one.
peacepath@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h
Free markets and imperialism are new? They seem to go well together since a long time...
Sparky@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 26m
Meanwhile, Biden left the election campaign, after the assassination against his presidential elect competitor failed :D
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 1d
Honestly, if i was USian and somebody left the MAGA movement i wouldn’t throw it back in their face…
peacepath@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 10h
Thank you so much! The comments this thread are so depressing... it seems they don't have what they would need to get outof politics based on hate
Noel_Skum@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 10h
Fo’ sheezy. If hate is the problem in US politics then any neutral outside observer can’t help but notice the hate runs both ways, viscerally. To me, I’d go further, they seem to be so wrapped up in labels they’ve forgotten their basic humanity.
Edit before posting: Not all USians are consumed with hate - maybe just the vocal ones?
peacepath@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
Some of them aren't, it is hard to know how much since our position usually attract both sides' hate. And so those among them, who live with them, but share our view, must live in a constant terror.
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 1d
You are as much the enemy as they are.
Regardless of your personal feelings, it's 100% true: Give your opponent a golden bridge on which to retreat.
Maybe they are reformed and truly see that you were right. Maybe they aren't. Maybe they actually are incredibly stupid and will do the same thing again the first chance they get. But if they're ideologically aligned with your same goals at the moment, then you better open up and make some space for them because I guarantee that your actual enemies are busy doing everything they can to make the path back to the dark side as easy and non-judgemental as possible.
starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1d
If your goal is a short term win, yeah. For long term you're better off messaging to those who would actually be democrats, rather than appealing to those who buy into the newest snake oil and don't care who it hurts so long as it's not them.