Sony threatens to cut off customer support and pursue legal action over harassment as backlash to PlayStation’s physical-disc phaseout intensifies

https://www.tomshardware.com/video-games/playstation/sony-threatens-to-cut-off-customer-support-and-pursue-legal-action-over-harassment-as-backlash-to-playstations-physical-disc-phaseout-intensifies-company-to-move-forward-with-no-disc-decision-despite-several-lawsuits

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Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 91 pts · 1d

Bye, Sony. I'll be avoiding all of your products for the foreseeable future. Sony gaming just talked several other departments out their sales.

farmgineer@nord.pub · 60 pts · 1d (2 replies)

The first few paragraphs basically describe a movement within Japan because entitled (mostly middle-aged and older men, but not exclusively) fuckheads were screaming at staff, forcing them to prostrate themselves on the ground and apologize, and even becoming physically violent. Signs have been up for years about physically abusing station staff and it has continued from there. Just to give some cultural background on that one. Fuck Sony.

lemmyng@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1d

Edit: Nvm, read the first couple of paragraphs and yeah, it was over-entitled customers taking their Twitter rage offline and taking it out on innocent Sony staff. What the actual fuck?

Just to be sure I understand, Sony CEOs/management were the entitled fuckheads abusing staff? Or were the customers/shareholders the ones abusing staff?

castle88@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2h

Yes, nobody should be harassing customer service employees. They are not the ones who made this decision and aren't able to change it.

Almacca@aussie.zone · 46 pts · 20h (2 replies)

It sounds like Sony really doesn't want customers at all any more.

nik282000@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 18h (1 reply)

Sony image sensors and TV panels are some of the best. Everything else they touch is fucking garbage. It's amazing they have manged to stick around this long.

Smaile@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 13h

So what your saying is pry the rest of the junk out

kn0wmad1c@programming.dev · 42 pts · 1d

They're saying this because they know they can wipe their asses with customer complaints since those same customers will happily buy a ps5 if it meant playing gta6 at launch.

And they're probably right.

But I'm doing my part by not buying gta 6 until pc release and it's on sale.

dudesss@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Just get a PC at that point if its digital.

Ask a PC gamer to make it as much as a console experience for you as possible if that is what you need.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 10 pts · 1d (1 reply)

We've already cracked PS3, PS2, PS1, and PSP emulation, as well. I'm not saying PlayStation game developers don't deserve supportbut they're choosing not to sell games anymore by not providing physical media: you don't own digital copies in the store.

Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 1d

If purchasing isn't owning, piracy isn't theft.

DebatableRaccoon@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 1d

"No disc, no sale" or in the words of a wiser man: "Put the game in the box or piss off".

vane@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 21h (3 replies)

PlayStation ended with PS3 because that was last console that have not required PlayStation Plus to play online.

Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 12h (1 reply)

They also removed other OS functionality after consoles went live and units were already sold. Glad I never bought one; it pushed me into PC gaming.

ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2h

Unofficially you can run Linux on every PlayStation.

dubs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1h

I've always thought that moving to the internet was the worst thing to happen to consoles. Now they have all the downsides of PC gaming, with all the downsides of console gaming.

SeeMarkFly@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 1d

They can do what they want, I'm not a member.

AND I will NEVER be a member. Put THAT in your quarterly report. I've got a recommended filing location.

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 19 pts · 1d

I don't understand... If they want so badly to stop being a business, why don't they just quit? 🤔

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 19 pts · 1d

I honestly cannot believe that despite Microsoft's fuckups with XBox that instead it's PlayStation losing the Console War harder.

AzuranAurora@piefed.ca · 19 pts · 1d

What a joke of a company.

n4sdaq@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 1d

Fuck off, Sony.

lemmelemmy@feddit.org · 9 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Legal action to who? Their users?

captcha_incorrect@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12h (1 reply)

Yes, according to the article. Also if what is written is true, I don’t find it unreasonable.

Even if one does not agree with Sony’s new policy, taking it out on their support is not OK.

qaeta@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 11h

I they don't want it taken out on their support, then they need to make the decision makers available to receive the rightful backlash as they should have in the first place.

Regardless of right or wrong, angry people are going to take it out on the people closest to the source of the anger they can get to.

Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d

fuck em. the libraries of their older system are extensive enough that nobody really needs a new digital only system

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1d (3 replies)

The company also listed “forcing someone to prostrate themselves,”

I have questions. Is this a bad translation as telling them to go fuck themselves?

django@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 1d

The translation is most likely correct and references a Japanese custom.

Prostration is the gesture of placing one's body in a reverentially or submissively prone position. Typically prostration is distinguished from the lesser acts of bowing or kneeling by involving a part of the body above the knee, especially the hands, touching the ground.

In Japan, a common form of prostration is called dogeza, which was used as a sign of deep respect and submission for the elders of a family, guests, samurai, daimyōs and the Emperor. In modern times, it is generally used only in extreme circumstances, such as when apologizing for very serious transgressions or begging for an incredible favor.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostration

tyler@programming.dev · 12 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Prostrate is not the same thing as prostate.

panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 1d

I did not think it was, except that one time, but that was an earnest misreading.

Malica@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 1d

I've been using Sony products my whole life, not anymore. Sometimes you have to have principles.

DeadEndLink@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 1d

Wow....

BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 7 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Is Sony getting lolcowed?

Redditmodstouchgrass@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 13h (1 reply)

"I want all the videos on my disc's OFF. THE. INTERNET! I'll send in police, I'll send in detectives, I'll send everything in my power!"

BaraCoded@literature.cafe · 1 pts · 3h

"Thus began the legend of Sonychu."

TerdFerguson@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Sony fully-embracing its enshittification arc.

I have a lot of Sony gear; I've been really happy with the quality.. but I'll look elsewhere as they have been self-destructing as a company for a while now. I know their TVs are going to be crappier than they have been, because they stopped making them themselves. Probably the audio gear will be next.

Washedupcynic@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 1d

The first enshitification arc was them removing other OS functionality from consoles AFTER units had already been sold. It's been a steady decline that is intensifying.

DonutsRMeh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Those “protests” are actually pathetic. And . Is it this feels like Stockholm syndrome to me. They’re threatening legal actions against people they actually fucked over? Lol

pdxfed@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d

That's not what Stockholm syndrome is, more like they're playing the victim.

AfterlifeAdventures@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1d

'Gaslighting' or as I call it maga

DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h

Sony threatens to pursue legal action?

Legal action has already been pursued, against them. And threats like these suggest it isn't going too well for them.

Snapz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h

You deserve it all, Hideaki Nishino.

himboswaggins@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 21m

And this is why I have no sympathy for game companies crying about emulation and piracy. Also there is NO reason to harass employees.

creamfresh@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23h
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ZkhqrD5o@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 1d (11 replies)

Why do people obsess over disks? I don't get it. Sony destroys it with DRM anyway. What's the point of owning an encrypted disk that refuses to install? People should be upset about digital restrictions management instead.

giant_smeeg@feddit.uk · 41 pts · 1d (3 replies)

Because if the game isn't for me I can sell it. I can share them with friends easily. I can install and play a game if my network has issues. I can buy games way cheaper than the insane PS store prices as there is actual competition in physical media sales.

poVoq@slrpnk.net · 0 pts · 1d (2 replies)

Not if the game you bought on a disk is linked to your Playstation account and requires an online connection to play, which the majority of games do these days. The disk is really secondary to that.

Rawrosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d (1 reply)

Those are pretty arbitrary requirements only put in place to stifle second hand sales, pulling physical discs entirely makes sense when they've already done that. But both requiring the game to be linked to your account and an online connection to play is already bullshit and something people have been complaining about for years.

poVoq@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1d

Exactly, but as long as those measures are in place, not getting a piece of useless plastic is irrelevant.

TAG@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1d
  1. I like to borrow game disks from my friends.
  2. Sony will delete digital purchases from customer devices and not compensate the customers. Other companies have done it, but Sony seems to do it more often than anyone.
blunderworld@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 1d

Because without physical games there is no secondhand market. If the only place you can buy PlayStation games is Sony's digital only store, they have no incentive to lower prices and can revoke access whenever they want.

klymilark@herbicide.fallcounty.omg.lol · 10 pts · 1d

We have sellers like Amazon removing items from their store, which are then fully unavailable to the consumer. They also allow people who have shit internet to be able to play games. I knew someone in college who tried installing Terraria and got an ETA of ~12 hours.

Lots of people are also mad about DRM, it's just also an older argument, so less new. Also with physical media DRM will inevitably be cracked, so it's less of a forever barrier than not being able to own the game on disc.

It also affects people who don't care about DRM. Collectors can't get games for their shelf anymore. You can't sell a game you've played to get back some of the cash. You can't tell friends to look at your shelf to see what games you have, which isn't that bad with one console, but if you have all 3 of the major ones you suddenly have to boot up 3 consoles instead of looking at one shelf.

Also, just human psychology: We hate change. DRM has been in games for longer than a lot of gamers have been alive, discs disappearing just happened.

Montagge@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 1d

Because not everyone has good internet. It took me nearly a month to download Doom 2013.

myyass@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d

I have a feeling you haven't been without power or internet for a few weeks. I have. What do you do in that time? I played my 3ds, that I charged with a mini solar panel, it kept me sane while eating mre's and canned goods in candle light in hot ass heat.

Feyd@programming.dev · 5 pts · 1d

Physical media doesn't really contain the whole game anymore since most games get a day 1 patch and further patches to make them actually release-quality, BUT the physical media still represents what people consider to be an irrevocable license. People expect purchasing games to be like purchasing a super Nintendo game back in the day was. No one can take it away from you. If there were strong consumer rights around the purchase of digital media people probably wouldn't care as much, but in the meantime we have Sony actively demonstrating they will fuck you over by removing movies from people's accounts.

Also, I can buy a physical game copy and share it with my friends and family when I'm done. Not being able to do that is a giant middle finger in this.

FiniteBanjo@feddit.online · 4 pts · 1d

If you don't have a physical copy (without online DRM) then you do not even own it. You purchased a lease with an unknown expiration for the full price of a game.