Go to any mid sized or larger company and run a port scan and you'll be immediately found and taken to the woodshed or fired.
But I guess doing it unannounced in peoples home is just fine.
You wouldn't add them to the network. HDMI to the conf room table or a dedicated phone controller. Maybe an HDMI matrix.
Forget the TV calling home for advertisement info, i'm worried about holes in their screen mirroring and microphone that would let people snoop from the floors above/below me. If we need smart features, we tie them to either real media hardware, or plug them to a small computer.
They literally run speech to text, store it and exfiltrate it to their servers...
Even if you deny internet access, it can hop to other smart devices of the same brand using hidden SSIDs and exfiltratr data that way, or if the TV gets sold and connected to a network, all of the stored conversations will get sent to their servers. This was from the original GN investigation and associated security researchers
There isn't really something one can network-admin a way out of it seems, sadly...
It sounded paranoid to say that they record with the screen off but here we are.
Fire sticks will use Sidewalk. Roku will strike a deal with Comcast. It's a matter of who gets caught first and how bad the backlash is. The rest will follow suit.
Keep in mind, they have to pay for those services, to identify traffic on your tv that's presumably not registered to a meaningfull address.
FireTV could conceivably do it because they own the ecosystem, but even then, that's a low-bandwidth network and doesn't tie you to a physical address, just that the traffic is in your general neighborhood.
Well this is something that every cheap WiFi chip can do in the last decade. Share WiFi through a hotspot. Hell, ESPHome does it by default just for ease of use and fallback debugging. Here is a very old project , dirt cheap chip that does it
There is no way, with all of the privacy intrusions + their blatant disregard for network security (See GN video) and LG's own advertiser marketing claims, that they don't do that.
Other "sounds paranoid" things companies are doing
Automatic content recognition is also done by every manufacturer and also a "very paranoid" thing 5 years ago.
Not to mention literally this whole wiretap scandal that OP report is from.
From the original report itself, they also constantly scan all devices on the network, Bluetooth, and in the free bands their radios can pick up and log them so they know every device that has passed in their range, characteristics, and WiFi + Bluetooth geolocating is quite a standard practice for years for "increasing location accuracy"
LG themselves bought a company that links your real identification from retailers to a unique product number so LG will be able to actually be certain that a specific person is associated with the spied data instead of a guess based on accounts. (Also in GN investigation video 1)
Profitability
From their own financial reports as highlighted in the original investigation, LG's profits from TV-based selling to advertisers and data brokers is literally more than their profits from selling the TVs themselves.
What else would stop them?
So we have established that it is dead simple, cheap, functionality already built into other features and profitable. The only other motive left would be ethics, but from the research by GN (reported on in the OP), they simply spy on you anyway, and when caught because that is illegal, they got a slap on the wrist (see US Texas lawsuit settlement), and changed their terms of service to say "you give your and everyone in your household's express consent to comply to your local wiretapping laws" (using exactly the language "wiretapping". So we can also establish that they have absolutely no ethics around data ex filtration, and no regard for legality and willingness to pay the small fines.
What would be the motive for them to look at this feature and say "nah, we aren't going to do that extremely easy thing"? Laziness would be the only one that I could see, in which case, it will appear in future models at some point.
It is not as though they have to stream video through it, raw text data is incredibly small. A whole 300 page e-book can be around 1MB. It is uploaded in under 1 second and it is encrypted, so it blends in with other traffic.
You're treating can host a hotspot and can get onto someone else's network for internet access as the same thing. They're different.
(though they weren’t testing the TV itself data ex filtration)
That document does not support your claim. Being able to hijack a remote control session is not the same as using it for internet access.
Other “sounds paranoid” things companies are doing
WiFi Radar is overblown. They can precisely locate you by data bursts off your cellphone without WiFi, both through tower triangulation and in person through cellular band yagi receivers if they wanted to.
The TV trying to hack other networks to send home your voice/watch traffic is both unverified and extremely unlikely. The always-on speech recognition itself is far more likely to have been accidental debug left on in a production build than a nefarious purpose simple because of the level of damage to brand recognition and the eventual lawsuits.
VLAN? Why would you let a monitor have a network connection? Grab the Mac address, and put it on a denylist so you don't accidentally give it an IP address as part of your setup procedure.
smart boards, remote power off. I generally prefer (as I mentioned in other comments) to run them from PCs or an HDMI matrix, but I've had reasons to network-connect some here and there.
Depending on the TOS details, that may very well be a legit crime. Even in 1-party consent states this wouldn't slide because LG isn't a participant in the conversations it's recording, and not everyone talking near a TV has agreed to the TOS.
And even with generous TOS, there's gonna be legal issues. HIPAA, for instance, could really fuck them if the TVs are in a medical facility and are recording and transmitting private medical data without consent of the patients.
I think the HIPAA stuff specifically could fuck them HARD. That can be more easily pursued civily. Criminal Courts don't mean much to companies because they have to pay a minor fine and it goes away, because criminal courts don't seek relief or compensation. Civil courts are where corporations can get gigafucked.
It is common behavior for a lot of consumer IoT devices. If it goes on your network and you don't control the software, you should consider it compromised. Even if the manufacturer isn't doing outright malicious stuff, it likely isn't secured very well (they never are) so there's every chance that someone else could find it and use it as a platform for malicious activity.
But if they don't ever get access to the internet, they can collect all the data they want? Unless they connect to nearby unsecured wifi and use that to connect to their server.
In the cases of the LG tvs, they will connect themselves to any open wifi in range, including the Xfinity/AT&T public wifi spots that are often enabled on people's rented routers.
So if your neighbor, or the Starbuck's on the corner has open wifi then that's enough for your TV to send all your data to the mothership.
Exactly, I’m very disappointed. I bought and LG OLED in 2019, loved it for the image quality and smooth UI. It’s time for an upgrade soon, and I was thinking LG, but will probably have to go diff direction.
I'm holding onto the last of the good plasma tvs from Panasonic, Circa 2012. it's a fantastic picture and no crap. Rs232 serial control for home assistant to turn it on and off.
I'm dreading the day it dies and I have to find the least shitty replacement
But go where though? Every single manufacturer is competing to see who can do the most anti-consumer bullshit and get away with it. They've been slowly boiling the frog for two decades now.
It’s literally just an algorithm applied to the WiFi antenna.
We’re fucked without comprehensive and effective privacy laws.
But they won’t do that. Someone will (dishonestly) argue that TV’s and monitors that can count how many viewers are watching and force everyone in the room to verify their identity when the ACR detects a curse word or breasts is “for the children.”
I'm interested in what they are doing with the information more than anything. It's not unusual for a media device to be using SSDP/UPNP and mDNS, looking for media devices to connect to. Ideally, off by default with a way to enable/disable and not used for advertising.
LG owns an advertising company. Just like Google tracks everything you do on the internet via their analytics and search products and then feeds you targeted ads, LG tracks everything you watch, all the electronics in your house, and any conversations you have nearby, then feeds you ads through their TVs.
Just like google is an advertising company first and everything else second it's probably a good idea to think of LG as an advertising company that happens to have a consumer electronics company bolted on. Their TVs are nothing but trojan horses these days, designed to spy on everything they can and get ads in front of your face.
Mostly targeting advertising. The original source is the GamerNexus video. They show in great details the kind of information they capture and give potential usage for it. For instance they can detect thermostats, air conditioning units and air purifier that may be on the network, products that LG also sells. They give another example: if they see you have an iPhone 13, they may send you ads for the new iPhone 17.
If you can detect and identify the other devices on the LAN, you know exactly which other smart devices the customer has, and at scale that's very valuable market research. They could probably even start sending ads to customers for an LG replacement if a device drops off the network.
Its all of them. The only tvs that aren't doing this are dumb ones. The reason why they're so cheap is that they are selling data. Its been this way for years.
On that note, does anybody know a good set top box with DolbyVision support that doesn’t require Amazon or Google services?
Because the only one that comes to my mind would be an AppleTV and I don’t want to believe that’s the least terrible option…
Hate to break it to you, but AppleTV really is the best option.
I haven’t tried it, but I would think that running something shitty like a Roku but gating it with a pi-hole would be reasonable. You just have to make sure that there’s no open networks within reach (neighbors, etc).
I mean, it’s good in that case, too, but it’s also good if you have a Jellyfin server and want a device that supports modern standards like DolbyVision and that isn’t completely overflowing with ads.
the older my Shield gets, the more I end up looking at the apple TV as the least worst of the bunch. until some foss Linux approach gets easy enough for me to be satisfied it won't drive the rest of the household mad, that is
Yup. I went Apple TV for our main TV. Apple TV is easy for rest of the household and isn’t a huge Trojan horse. Retired the shield to the upstairs bedroom.
True. But also, a Linux box at the TV just isn’t practical when you live with normal non technical people. Pick your poison unfortunately. I will say it is behind a pi-hole.
I've been pretty shocked at the "non technical people" who just walk up to our Linux box TV setup, fire up Kodi, navigate the menus and start movies. 10 years ago that NEVER happened, today it's not unusual. Even 15 years ago it was also common that all kinds of TV setups, including "normal" consumer gear, needed a one page "user's guide" that a lot of people still couldn't manage to make work.
I ran Wireshark to capture traffic from my LG C5 and the only "scanning" it did was SSDP. Did they post any written article with further information on what it's doing? Most if not all of what was detailed in the video can be opted out of;
There are roughly 216 million LG smart TVs in homes, hospitals, offices, and hotels worldwide. Each one maps its local network, fingerprints its content, and logs audio, on or off, whether you’re talking to it or to someone else, whether you’re online or not, and feeds that into an ad engine that sells access to your living room.
Nah, it's mostly because gamers Nexus reviewed an LG monitor, which also had that shit (monitors were traditionally 'dumb' before this), so he decided to do a broader investigation.
I can't speak for every TV, but I was able to remove the Wi-Fi card from my TV. It might be something you can do with your TV too. In my case I just had to unscrew the back panel, find the card, and disconnect it. Thankfully it was a separate circuit board rather than part of a larger board.
all smart tvs do this! they've been doing it for a decade at this point! I've been saying never to connect your tv to your internet for the past decade because of this stupid shit that's only coming out now.
never connect your tv to your internet or network. you want to watch netflix? don't use your tv, use an appletv or nvidia shield device!
Are those devices not doing the exact same thing though? Why wouldn't they? Sure they probably don't have cameras and microphones in them but they probably still do ACR
it may go around your choice to not configure a network and connect to an open wifi or one in a shared network that some providers run via secondary ssid on their CPE
I'm not sure I care as much if it's using a neighbor's unsecured WiFi. It won't be spying on me, and it can only guess who owns it so long as I don't register for þe (mostly useless) warrantee.
I had a smart LG dishwasher which I never connected. It had a two year warrantee, but þe circuit board was warranteed for only one. When it failed at 14 m/o, it was of course þe circuit board.
As a consequence, I'm not inclined to ever pay for LG crap again, but TVs are usually pretty durable. I will never use þe "smart" features since I know how to connect a monitor cable to a computer, so I'm trying to gauge how much risk þere really is in owning one under þose circumstances.
The collection of any ID's from other gear you happen to have on you; such as your bluetooth MAC from your phone or headphones. That gets stored along with the text.
If that is then sent via an unsecured link, your conversations, along with any ID info is sucked into their system to be analysed.
Ok, þat's a really good point. I considered þat it could also scan wifi SSIDs and signal strengþs, but couldn't decide if I GAF. Þat and Bluetooth togeþer is certainly worrying.
What unsecured link? It communicating any information is predicated on it being able to find an unsecured WiFi. Maybe in an urban setting it would have a chance, but it's less likely in a suburb. Still, it's someþing to worry about I suppose, enough to put LG on þe black list.
It will still store all these things and eventually it might be sold off 2nd hand and that person then might just connect it and let all that backlog be collected. Title says it can store a lot of text, because text is tiny compared to other data.
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kreskin@lemmy.world · 162 pts · 3d
Go to any mid sized or larger company and run a port scan and you'll be immediately found and taken to the woodshed or fired.
But I guess doing it unannounced in peoples home is just fine.
galbraith@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 3d
What about the larger companies with LG tvs in their offices?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 41 pts · 3d
You wouldn't add them to the network. HDMI to the conf room table or a dedicated phone controller. Maybe an HDMI matrix.
Forget the TV calling home for advertisement info, i'm worried about holes in their screen mirroring and microphone that would let people snoop from the floors above/below me. If we need smart features, we tie them to either real media hardware, or plug them to a small computer.
Dultas@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
They probably buy commercial/display TVs which don't have that garbage.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 27 pts · 3d
Media bullshit at work gets its own isolation VLAN.
If they were serious enough to buy serious equipment, I wouldn't have to do it. I'd still do it, but I wouldn't have to.
JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net · 23 pts · 2d
They literally run speech to text, store it and exfiltrate it to their servers...
Even if you deny internet access, it can hop to other smart devices of the same brand using hidden SSIDs and exfiltratr data that way, or if the TV gets sold and connected to a network, all of the stored conversations will get sent to their servers. This was from the original GN investigation and associated security researchers
There isn't really something one can network-admin a way out of it seems, sadly...
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 2d
is there any actual evidence of
because that's a touch paranoid sounding
lemming741@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
It sounded paranoid to say that they record with the screen off but here we are.
Fire sticks will use Sidewalk. Roku will strike a deal with Comcast. It's a matter of who gets caught first and how bad the backlash is. The rest will follow suit.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amazon_Sidewalk
https://www.houstonchronicle.com/business/technology/article/comcast-turns-houston-home-routers-into-150-000-5540419.php
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Keep in mind, they have to pay for those services, to identify traffic on your tv that's presumably not registered to a meaningfull address.
FireTV could conceivably do it because they own the ecosystem, but even then, that's a low-bandwidth network and doesn't tie you to a physical address, just that the traffic is in your general neighborhood.
lemming741@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
They don't need an address, they have your Bluetooth MAC.
My point is, they're all trying to create Networks that only they control, and you cannot stop
JustEnoughDucks@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 2d
Capability
Well this is something that every cheap WiFi chip can do in the last decade. Share WiFi through a hotspot. Hell, ESPHome does it by default just for ease of use and fallback debugging. Here is a very old project , dirt cheap chip that does it
Ease of Implementation
They already broadcast hidden SSIDs for direct connection for features like screen mirroring, etc... Researchers have exploited this exact thing for attack vector testing (though they weren't testing the TV itself data ex filtration)
There is no way, with all of the privacy intrusions + their blatant disregard for network security (See GN video) and LG's own advertiser marketing claims, that they don't do that.
Other "sounds paranoid" things companies are doing
It isn't like "they are tracking you in your own house from WiFi through your walls" (which now ALSO has been proven correct and is now an advertised "feature" for american ISPs) yet here we are. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2026/05/260522023127.htm, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WiFi_Sensing, https://www.theverge.com/news/981381/comcast-xfinity-shield-wifi-motion-sensing
Automatic content recognition is also done by every manufacturer and also a "very paranoid" thing 5 years ago.
Not to mention literally this whole wiretap scandal that OP report is from.
From the original report itself, they also constantly scan all devices on the network, Bluetooth, and in the free bands their radios can pick up and log them so they know every device that has passed in their range, characteristics, and WiFi + Bluetooth geolocating is quite a standard practice for years for "increasing location accuracy"
LG themselves bought a company that links your real identification from retailers to a unique product number so LG will be able to actually be certain that a specific person is associated with the spied data instead of a guess based on accounts. (Also in GN investigation video 1)
Profitability
From their own financial reports as highlighted in the original investigation, LG's profits from TV-based selling to advertisers and data brokers is literally more than their profits from selling the TVs themselves.
What else would stop them?
So we have established that it is dead simple, cheap, functionality already built into other features and profitable. The only other motive left would be ethics, but from the research by GN (reported on in the OP), they simply spy on you anyway, and when caught because that is illegal, they got a slap on the wrist (see US Texas lawsuit settlement), and changed their terms of service to say "you give your and everyone in your household's express consent to comply to your local wiretapping laws" (using exactly the language "wiretapping". So we can also establish that they have absolutely no ethics around data ex filtration, and no regard for legality and willingness to pay the small fines.
What would be the motive for them to look at this feature and say "nah, we aren't going to do that extremely easy thing"? Laziness would be the only one that I could see, in which case, it will appear in future models at some point.
It is not as though they have to stream video through it, raw text data is incredibly small. A whole 300 page e-book can be around 1MB. It is uploaded in under 1 second and it is encrypted, so it blends in with other traffic.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 1d
You're treating can host a hotspot and can get onto someone else's network for internet access as the same thing. They're different.
That document does not support your claim. Being able to hijack a remote control session is not the same as using it for internet access.
The TV trying to hack other networks to send home your voice/watch traffic is both unverified and extremely unlikely. The always-on speech recognition itself is far more likely to have been accidental debug left on in a production build than a nefarious purpose simple because of the level of damage to brand recognition and the eventual lawsuits.
nickhammes@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 3d
VLAN? Why would you let a monitor have a network connection? Grab the Mac address, and put it on a denylist so you don't accidentally give it an IP address as part of your setup procedure.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 3d
smart boards, remote power off. I generally prefer (as I mentioned in other comments) to run them from PCs or an HDMI matrix, but I've had reasons to network-connect some here and there.
Darkcoffee@sh.itjust.works · 90 pts · 3d
God damn LG is really flaming all the way down to the ground aren't they. Greed will make you do crazy shit.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 78 pts · 2d
It’s weird that this is the takeaway from that investigation that big media is pushing.
This is maliciously burying the headline that LG TVS ARE TRANSCRIBING EVERY WORD THEY HEAR IN YOUR HOUSE AND THEY’RE UPLOADING A TEXT LOG OF IT.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 2d
Depending on the TOS details, that may very well be a legit crime. Even in 1-party consent states this wouldn't slide because LG isn't a participant in the conversations it's recording, and not everyone talking near a TV has agreed to the TOS.
And even with generous TOS, there's gonna be legal issues. HIPAA, for instance, could really fuck them if the TVs are in a medical facility and are recording and transmitting private medical data without consent of the patients.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 2d
It is undeniably a crime. But in Glorious Free Republican America large corporations are exempt from the law.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
I think the HIPAA stuff specifically could fuck them HARD. That can be more easily pursued civily. Criminal Courts don't mean much to companies because they have to pay a minor fine and it goes away, because criminal courts don't seek relief or compensation. Civil courts are where corporations can get gigafucked.
douglasg14b@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
🍾🔥
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
Fucking hell we have two of these at home.
https://appleinsider.com/articles/26/09/07/disconnect-your-lg-television-from-the-internet-now
Australis13@fedia.io · 47 pts · 3d
Honestly, I'm surprised this isn't common behaviour with all Smart TVs these days. It is trivial to probe a LAN network.
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 53 pts · 3d
It is common behavior for a lot of consumer IoT devices. If it goes on your network and you don't control the software, you should consider it compromised. Even if the manufacturer isn't doing outright malicious stuff, it likely isn't secured very well (they never are) so there's every chance that someone else could find it and use it as a platform for malicious activity.
Tim_Bisley@piefed.social · 8 pts · 2d
It is common, RTINGS did a video on it.
BooBees@fedinsfw.app · 7 pts · 3d
Only if you give it access
plateee@piefed.social · 15 pts · 3d
I have a dedicated IOT ssid and vlan (when my Orbi goes, I don't know what I'll replace it with...).
Each wifi node on that ssid is in client isolation mode and I carefully monitor where outbound traffic from that segment is headed.
It's a lot of work, but it makes me feel slightly better about a thermostat, self-hosted security camera setup, and home assistant setup.
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works · 36 pts · 3d
My dad's HP laptop started tripping a Honeypot on my network, now I gotta worry about LG as well...
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 3d
I need to learn how to do this
scottmeme@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1h
Have you heard about ubiquiti yet?
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 3d
Someone at LG needs an ass whooping
WhatAmLemmy@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 2d
No. They need life in prison. Hundreds of them.
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Por que no los dos?
SnowMeowXP@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 3d
They used to have good TVs :( It’s a good thing I stay away from Smart TVs in general.
DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 3d
I found it to be a struggle to find a non-smart TV that was decent...
TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 3d
Aren't all TVs non-smart if you do not connect it to the internet?
maturelemontree@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 2d
No they will still collect data that they can
TwoTiredMice@feddit.dk · 4 pts · 2d
But if they don't ever get access to the internet, they can collect all the data they want? Unless they connect to nearby unsecured wifi and use that to connect to their server.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 2d
There were unsubstantiated rumours that:
None of those have been observed or proven though.
skibidi@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 2d
In the cases of the LG tvs, they will connect themselves to any open wifi in range, including the Xfinity/AT&T public wifi spots that are often enabled on people's rented routers.
So if your neighbor, or the Starbuck's on the corner has open wifi then that's enough for your TV to send all your data to the mothership.
mirshafie@europe.pub · 3 pts · 2d
And just to reiterate, "all your data" includes transcripts of everything you've said in vicinity of said TV.
slaacaa@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
Exactly, I’m very disappointed. I bought and LG OLED in 2019, loved it for the image quality and smooth UI. It’s time for an upgrade soon, and I was thinking LG, but will probably have to go diff direction.
Munkisquisher@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 2d
I'm holding onto the last of the good plasma tvs from Panasonic, Circa 2012. it's a fantastic picture and no crap. Rs232 serial control for home assistant to turn it on and off.
I'm dreading the day it dies and I have to find the least shitty replacement
kalpol@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 2d
I've got the same one. It is awesome. I will pay for someone to repair it if it breaks. 720p of course but all my stuff is DVD so who cares.
Geth@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 2d
But go where though? Every single manufacturer is competing to see who can do the most anti-consumer bullshit and get away with it. They've been slowly boiling the frog for two decades now.
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 3d
I wonder if I could desolder the WiFi chip
portifornia@piefed.social · 4 pts · 2d
If they don't already, they will probably make doing that a kill switch trigger. 🫠
ohshit604@lemmy.halstead.host · 0 pts · 2d
Desolder the kill switch
Monument@piefed.world · 14 pts · 2d
I wonder if the next generation will know if you’re watching the advertisements. They’ll probably call it something innocuous, like “auto pause.”
It’s literally just an algorithm applied to the WiFi antenna.
We’re fucked without comprehensive and effective privacy laws.
But they won’t do that. Someone will (dishonestly) argue that TV’s and monitors that can count how many viewers are watching and force everyone in the room to verify their identity when the ACR detects a curse word or breasts is “for the children.”
nickspacek@piefed.ca · 12 pts · 2d
I'm interested in what they are doing with the information more than anything. It's not unusual for a media device to be using SSDP/UPNP and mDNS, looking for media devices to connect to. Ideally, off by default with a way to enable/disable and not used for advertising.
orclev@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 2d
LG owns an advertising company. Just like Google tracks everything you do on the internet via their analytics and search products and then feeds you targeted ads, LG tracks everything you watch, all the electronics in your house, and any conversations you have nearby, then feeds you ads through their TVs.
Just like google is an advertising company first and everything else second it's probably a good idea to think of LG as an advertising company that happens to have a consumer electronics company bolted on. Their TVs are nothing but trojan horses these days, designed to spy on everything they can and get ads in front of your face.
synapse1278@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 2d
Mostly targeting advertising. The original source is the GamerNexus video. They show in great details the kind of information they capture and give potential usage for it. For instance they can detect thermostats, air conditioning units and air purifier that may be on the network, products that LG also sells. They give another example: if they see you have an iPhone 13, they may send you ads for the new iPhone 17.
jonne@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 2d
If you can detect and identify the other devices on the LAN, you know exactly which other smart devices the customer has, and at scale that's very valuable market research. They could probably even start sending ads to customers for an LG replacement if a device drops off the network.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 1 pts · 2d
Scanning for phones sounds a bit like the old-school Nielsen viewing statistics collection - who's in the room, what are they watching?
DudeWhoYapsTooMuch@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 2d
Fuck buying an LG Tv lmao
Shindo66@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 2d
Its all of them. The only tvs that aren't doing this are dumb ones. The reason why they're so cheap is that they are selling data. Its been this way for years.
accideath@feddit.org · 11 pts · 2d
On that note, does anybody know a good set top box with DolbyVision support that doesn’t require Amazon or Google services?
Because the only one that comes to my mind would be an AppleTV and I don’t want to believe that’s the least terrible option…
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 2d
Hate to break it to you, but AppleTV really is the best option.
I haven’t tried it, but I would think that running something shitty like a Roku but gating it with a pi-hole would be reasonable. You just have to make sure that there’s no open networks within reach (neighbors, etc).
MangoCats@feddit.it · 2 pts · 2d
Best for who? There are all kinds of options starting from a physical DVD player...
baggachipz@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 2d
For people who want a streaming box.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 1 pts · 2d
I thought it was best for people who want to pay for subscriptions - and of course the people who take their money.
accideath@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
I mean, it’s good in that case, too, but it’s also good if you have a Jellyfin server and want a device that supports modern standards like DolbyVision and that isn’t completely overflowing with ads.
party_planet@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
the older my Shield gets, the more I end up looking at the apple TV as the least worst of the bunch. until some foss Linux approach gets easy enough for me to be satisfied it won't drive the rest of the household mad, that is
oh_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
Yup. I went Apple TV for our main TV. Apple TV is easy for rest of the household and isn’t a huge Trojan horse. Retired the shield to the upstairs bedroom.
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 2d
it's a trojan horse for Apple though right? Apple still collects tons of telemetry they've just never been caught selling it
oh_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
True. But also, a Linux box at the TV just isn’t practical when you live with normal non technical people. Pick your poison unfortunately. I will say it is behind a pi-hole.
MangoCats@feddit.it · 4 pts · 2d
I've been pretty shocked at the "non technical people" who just walk up to our Linux box TV setup, fire up Kodi, navigate the menus and start movies. 10 years ago that NEVER happened, today it's not unusual. Even 15 years ago it was also common that all kinds of TV setups, including "normal" consumer gear, needed a one page "user's guide" that a lot of people still couldn't manage to make work.
hirihit640@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 2d
Fair enough. I also recommend Apple when Linux isn't an option
lps2@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2d
Roll your own with a mini-PC?
accideath@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1d
Can I get support for DolbyVision using kodi or similar?
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 3d
I ran Wireshark to capture traffic from my LG C5 and the only "scanning" it did was SSDP. Did they post any written article with further information on what it's doing? Most if not all of what was detailed in the video can be opted out of;
https://www.pocket-lint.com/i-stopped-my-lg-tv-from-spying-on-me-by-adjusting-these-settings/
adespoton@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 3d
Why should we have to opt out of our devices spying on our LAN?
cogitase@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 2d
You shouldn't have to opt-out of any of this, but if you own one and want to keep using it, I thought this would be helpful information.
duckshuffgoose@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2d
Of course youre right, but we have to opt out of tracking at every level today. Thats the way we collectively allowed the goalpost to be moved.
Now, do they respect the opt out? Thats the real question
IsoKiero@sopuli.xyz · 14 pts · 3d
https://thecybersecguru.com/news/lg-smart-tv-spying-investigation/
They do a lot more than just scan the network.
HejMedDig@feddit.dk · 13 pts · 3d
Gamer Nexus, who uncovered this, has a 2 hour episode about it https://youtu.be/Q9uefFYe6bM
hornedfiend@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 3d
I love how this is showing you an ad for a LG tv at the end of the article. Priceless.
melfie@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 2d
How long until smart TV manufacturers partner with AT&T, Verizon, and T-Mobile to collect your data even when you don’t give them a connection?
GreenKnight23@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
I'm sure they are already on the market
thethrilloftime69@feddit.online · 9 pts · 3d
Dang I've had a LG TV for years. I must be an idiot.
jonne@infosec.pub · 7 pts · 2d
Don't worry, they all do it. You basically have to buy a dumb display if you want privacy.
ContactClosure@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 2d
It makes me wonder why we've been seeing so much about LG, is Samsung or Sony pushing these stories?
jonne@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 2d
Nah, it's mostly because gamers Nexus reviewed an LG monitor, which also had that shit (monitors were traditionally 'dumb' before this), so he decided to do a broader investigation.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 3d
I really need to finish setting up an isolated network. The problem is I at least want to be able to cast to it.
SnowMeowXP@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 2d
That’s my thought on TVs that support casting (so it is probably a smart tv).
I have an old chromecast connected to my parents’ normal tv to avoid smart tvs and possible shenanigans
13igTyme@piefed.social · 4 pts · 3d
Good thing those ultra wide curved OLED monitors had horrible specs. I was waiting a year for them to release it and almost got one.
Everyday more and more shitty things coming from LG.
uuj8za@piefed.social · 3 pts · 2d
OOoookokokok. This post was the last push I needed to setup vlans on my network.
oyzmo@piefed.social · 2 pts · 3d
Goldstar - do like their oled technology, but hard pass on general quality and durability
halloween_spookster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
I can't speak for every TV, but I was able to remove the Wi-Fi card from my TV. It might be something you can do with your TV too. In my case I just had to unscrew the back panel, find the card, and disconnect it. Thankfully it was a separate circuit board rather than part of a larger board.
hahattpro@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 3d
It time to mine more value out of customer.
green_link@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
all smart tvs do this! they've been doing it for a decade at this point! I've been saying never to connect your tv to your internet for the past decade because of this stupid shit that's only coming out now.
never connect your tv to your internet or network. you want to watch netflix? don't use your tv, use an appletv or nvidia shield device!
AstralPath@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 2d
Are those devices not doing the exact same thing though? Why wouldn't they? Sure they probably don't have cameras and microphones in them but they probably still do ACR
Sxan@piefed.zip · -8 pts · 2d
I get why people might want to connect þeir TV to þeir LAN. Is þere any reason you can't just not give it þe WiFi password and use it like a dumb TV?
adarza@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 2d
it may go around your choice to not configure a network and connect to an open wifi or one in a shared network that some providers run via secondary ssid on their CPE
Sxan@piefed.zip · 1 pts · 2d
I'm not sure I care as much if it's using a neighbor's unsecured WiFi. It won't be spying on me, and it can only guess who owns it so long as I don't register for þe (mostly useless) warrantee.
I had a smart LG dishwasher which I never connected. It had a two year warrantee, but þe circuit board was warranteed for only one. When it failed at 14 m/o, it was of course þe circuit board.
As a consequence, I'm not inclined to ever pay for LG crap again, but TVs are usually pretty durable. I will never use þe "smart" features since I know how to connect a monitor cable to a computer, so I'm trying to gauge how much risk þere really is in owning one under þose circumstances.
absGeekNZ@lemmy.nz · 0 pts · 2d
The collection of any ID's from other gear you happen to have on you; such as your bluetooth MAC from your phone or headphones. That gets stored along with the text.
If that is then sent via an unsecured link, your conversations, along with any ID info is sucked into their system to be analysed.
Sxan@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 2h
Ok, þat's a really good point. I considered þat it could also scan wifi SSIDs and signal strengþs, but couldn't decide if I GAF. Þat and Bluetooth togeþer is certainly worrying.
What unsecured link? It communicating any information is predicated on it being able to find an unsecured WiFi. Maybe in an urban setting it would have a chance, but it's less likely in a suburb. Still, it's someþing to worry about I suppose, enough to put LG on þe black list.
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 2d
It will still store all these things and eventually it might be sold off 2nd hand and that person then might just connect it and let all that backlog be collected. Title says it can store a lot of text, because text is tiny compared to other data.