Why in the fuck is CNN "interviewing" this thing?

The "interview"

Edit: fixed the link

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grte@lemmy.ca · 174 pts · 22h (21 replies)

CNN is a media company that has a lot to gain if it can get its audience to accept AI "personalities".

terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 98 pts · 22h (8 replies)

Oh god. This is it.

They are dying for people to gradually accept slop media, and likely their investors as well. They want to normalize a "no human" media feed so they can just skip the camera crew and writers and makeup and all that expensive shit and just pay a cloud ai bill which redirects a stream of video content that you buy.

They really want to eliminate all the arts and have robots do that while we mine the coal mines.

MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 64 pts · 21h

Woah CNN is the forerunner of Picus News from Deus Ex.

Lmao this future is stupid.

Hackworth@piefed.ca · 23 pts · 21h

Yeah, in 2006 it took a dozen people behind the camera to run a local newscast. Now they do it with three people and a ton of automation.

AmyAye@nord.pub · 18 pts · 19h (5 replies)

Oh even better. It could be customized through the app, by default. Maybe you like blondes with boobs, maybe your neighbor likes brunettes with tiny titties, maybe your other neighbor wants a big black dude.

But with this tech, we can MaXiMiZe eNgAgEmEnT with custom talking heads for the 24x7 outrage bull shit machine.

tmyakal@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 16h

I swear this was a plot point in Fahrenheit 451...

DrSoap@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 13h (3 replies)

What if I like crochet patterns that work? I don't understand how AI can be capable of so much technical stuff that we are trusting it with little to no oversight, but go ahead, ask it to generate a crochet/knitting pattern and then follow it and tell me what you get. 🤣

cecilkorik@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 10h

So here's the thing, generative AI is a technology, and it's created by humans, and I have no doubt that enough smart humans working together will easily be able to develop a technology that can generate a crochet/knitting pattern by feeding it other people's stolen crochet/knitting patterns without paying or crediting them. That's not a hard thing to do. What AI is doing is not actually hard.

The biggest problem with generative AI is that doing it efficiently is in fact very, very hard, and almost certainly always will be. The reality is that it's an absurdly inefficient way of doing anything, even just for model inference alone, nevermind the training data. Some of that inefficiency is being masked by the fact that they stole all its training data they used to create it. Some of that inefficiency is being masked by the fact that they're giving it away at a loss in order to get people hooked. Some of that inefficiency is being masked by the fact that the entire thing is a game of financial musical chairs that they won't stop playing because none of them want to be left holding the fucking empty bag without a chair when the music stops.

But none of those things reflect the true cost of generating stuff with generative AI. The wastefulness is the point. Imagine the efficiency if each person looking for a crochet/knitting pattern would be able to download the same pattern as someone else previously already did with only a few handfuls of bytes of internet traffic, not millions of tokens of furiously churning datacenter GPUs. Imagine if we had a simple text search engine where we could search effectively for the crochet/knitting patterns other people, real people, have already made, instead of having thousands of different people ask their own personal slop machine for slop a few dozen times until it gets it sort of right.

At a time when we are trying to save the fucking planet from burning down, they are very intentionally and very deliberately shoving this garbage, inefficient technology down our throats, replacing older, more sensible technologies, breaking those technologies to make them seem even less sensible, selling it like it's the second coming of god, and powering it with fossil fuels to further destroy the environment. This is not an accident. Hey ChatGPT, can you think of any of the richest industries in the world that would be happy to team up with some of the other richest industries in the world to increase demand for fossil fuels, even though we're not supposed to be using fossil fuels anymore, and can you tell me how much money they all made last year? I bet it's a fucking lot, isn't it? How can they keep making so much money when we're not supposed to be using fossil fuels anymore? Mysterious. /s

We're being fucked, the planet's being fucked, and the future's being fucked, and the people responsible are laughing all the way to the bank, then jumping on their yachts, and heading somewhere very similar to epstein's island, where they will party and do drugs and plan how they're all going to set up their new mansions on Mars once it gets so bad here on Earth that they have to leave us behind to burn. This is not really about AI, this is about people who don't consider most of humanity worth caring about or in any way consequential to their plans. We do not exist in the future they are building. We should probably find that very upsetting.

nickiwest@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 13h (1 reply)

I don't seek them out, but I hear that LLM monstrosity patterns are largely a thing of the past.

The most plausible theory I've heard is that people realized LLMs are bad at writing patterns and so pivoted to feeding them other people's patterns to reformat or maybe grade for new sizes.

The new sizes may have stitch counts that don't quite work, but they don't seem to make the same ridiculous infinite increases/decreases that haunted the first generation of LLM-generated patterns.

Still, I doubt that an LLM could give you a reasonable pattern for any garment without directly ripping off an existing pattern.

DrSoap@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h

Even when they rip off another pattern, it's a mess. It's in the range of uncanny Valley where it makes enough sense to workup, but it doesn't make the item you're looking to make (which is usually the original pattern).

I'm just salty the internet/new books got flooded with these patterns so its a little more difficult to trust the process.

Rhaedas@fedia.io · 20 pts · 22h

I'd be okay with Max Headroom, but he told it like it is. Might be too far for them.

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 20h (8 replies)

It's literally the perfect business model, like the one refined by ad-based mobile game companies, but even easier.

Agents troll for the news. Agents right up the news. It's fed to a video agent that reads the news. No need for human intervention. No need for any pesky slowdowns. Everything is ready in moments from the moment it happens.

Unfortunately, we're going to lose integrity, accuracy, and virtually everything else that we need in the news source.

cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 20h (2 replies)

It's going to be unwatchable but they will still shove it in our face until they find out they can't really make that much money from it. But they won't hire the real people back again because then they'd have to admit they were wrong so they will just not have serious news anymore and even more people will get informed from podcasts and youtubers and other alternative media. These people in the Entertainment Business would rather destroy a business than pay people.

jtrek@startrek.website · 5 pts · 18h (1 reply)

These people in the Entertainment Business would rather destroy a business than pay people.

Capitalism.

Friend of mine told me his boss said he'd rather burn the place to the ground than let the workers unionize.

So far as I know, that boss never suffered any personal violence, despite treating everyone like shit.

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h

Give him time. It sounds like he's working on the discrepancy right now.

Infinite@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 12h (2 replies)

We already don't have integrity and accuracy from most news sources.

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h (1 reply)

Okay, now broaden your conclusions. Imagine the level of distrust is even earned because we don't know what to fucking think. Because everywhere we look, there's a different message.

I get this mark, but I think that you're underestimating the damage that we're going to be seeing in the very near term.

bampop@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 8h

Good point. With AI news we'll be able to trust it more because the message will be consistent across multiple sources and delivered reliably, compellingly, with conviction, and targeted to the current desires, fears and prejudices of the viewer. All of this will help to maintain a sense of trust, and shape your worldview.

Human beings are, for the most part, not mentally equipped to deal with this. We already see a significant part of the population lost in constructed realities. That's the tip of the iceberg.

WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 18h (1 reply)

Sounds like Americans will get the news they deserve

a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 16h

I mean literally everyone will. All media will become a cesspool of magnificently curated garbage. That's going to transcend national boundaries.

Honestly, I think you'd be right at home here. You're sort of one of us now.

What you're saying is almost verbatim Trump's fans claiming that they voted for him and will endure whatever pain he dishes out just to own the libs.

dumnezero@piefed.social · 7 pts · 17h

They're also, generally, in service of the status quo.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 9h

also to capture another potential republican voting audience.

Madrigal@lemmy.world · 75 pts · 22h

Propaganda

athairmor@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 21h (13 replies)

Theoretically, could you feed to some genAI video of this Tilly Norwood and create an exact—or close enough—replica?

Then, theoretically, make videos of her saying and doing extremely offensive things?

Aqivex@fedinsfw.app · 19 pts · 20h (2 replies)

No theory needed. You absolutely can, almost trivially so.

Only real challenge(s) would be either owning the hardware capacity or renting from a neutral host to run the fake AI personality at/or near equivalent levels if you're gonna unleash Titty SouthRisesWood in an autonomous form.

Maybe a lawyer with a sense of humor on retainer to respond to the frivolous demand letters if they eventually find out you're behind it.

And that's just if you want to fight AI with AI.

Anyone could copy the model the good ol' fashioned way in Blender, turn on a voice changer or use non-AI TTS and get to uploading their protected parodies.

FrChazzz@lemmus.org · 9 pts · 17h

And aren't there recent legal rulings in the US that say that LLM-generated content is not able to copyrighted?

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 16h

Not anymore. Anyone with a beefy gaming PC can do reference-to-video with enough fidelity for memes.

...Especially when the "AI Actress" is already so bad.

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 17h (5 replies)

FYI this was just a quick test with Minimax H3, locally generated on a RTX 3090/Ryzen 7800 desktop.

And to answer your question... yep. It's not a prompt box. H3 will take any combination of audio, video, and images as reference, as well as controlnets for poses, masking, character swapping...

mrmisses@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 17h (4 replies)

All her how she feels about the genocide in Palestine

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 16h (3 replies)

(turboslop warning)

mrmisses@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h (2 replies)

That's not a response that's just repeating the question

shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 15h

Ready for politics

brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 16h
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you_are_dust@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 21h

Probably? I'm curious of the result of feeding AI more AI to try to replicate a particular AI creation.

Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 20h (2 replies)

This made me wonder about the ethics of "deepfake" porn of genAI pixels that look like a human.

FoxAlive@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 16h (1 reply)

Ai companies are not held responsible even though many of them directly advertise this as a feature like grok.

Instead they say "its already illegal" and try to go after the individuals to generated it. And even then thats not even true, the courts said ai generated porn is legal even if its csam, and Donald trump made it illegal for the states to regulate ai in any form. Which includes generating csam, deepfakes, etc. Because to the epstine class that's just innovation.

Their argument is that they can't be held responsible because someone used their tool inappropriately when the tool was specifically designed and has features to do this.

My argument is this is a level of willful incompetence to the point of allowing it. Its for example like if a father would go to prison for leaving his gun loaded on the kitchen table, and his son goes out and commits crimes with said gun. Ai companies like grok are doing the equivalent of unloading truck loads of automatic guns at the capitol building during January 6th.

Section 230 only applies to people who you aren't virtually guiding to do these illegal/harmful things. You can't just say we aren't responsible for teens using your platform(like meta is) and then do everything in your power to get kids addicted on your platform short of making it mandatory for every child to sign up for their services.

These people know what they are doing and pretending like they don't know what happened or know how to stop it.

Edit* I'm stupid I didnt even read/comprehend your post and essentially went on my own rant. If it means anything I brought up a few points that still apply.

Tartas1995@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 7h

I feel you. 😘

I hate everything about this bs.

h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 12h

Because they’re not real journalists

DoctorWhoDMC@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 14h

"On camera"?

Wouldn't that just be a camera pointed at a processor in a data centre somewhere?

Jiral@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 19h

Engagement, ie bait. It works it seems.

saltesc@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 21h (1 reply)

It's not an interview if it's genAI lol

Literally no intelligence in the answers. Literally pointless questions and answers.

Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 18h

Realistically, I think characters like these would be designed and run by committee, just like all other corpo slop media we've been getting. Games, music, series, and films that have been written by teams of people, and then molded by data gathered on viewership and control groups. No daring creative decisions can be allowed, as everything has to be backed by market research to ensure mass appeal, marketability, and dreadful mediocrity.

It makes me think of the On-Lyne side story in Warframe.

Been thinking a lot lately about some words I saw in your Technocyte Coda debrief: predictable, standardized, and controlled. Music to my eyes right now. The only thing predictable about pop stars these days is their whining and complaining. Fame really goes to their perfectly coiffed heads.

Predictable, standardised, controlled. That's what they want. Workers being complex individuals with their own passions and lives is so annoying. You can't work them 24/7, and they might get silly things like ideas, and thoughts of their own.

OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 15h (1 reply)

The CNN anchors are training their replacements

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 9h

ellison eventually wants cnn, so this is the beginning, plus zaslav is a total pushover for the right wing owners.

FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 18h (2 replies)

Donald Trump was right about cnn he just didn't know why

boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 8 pts · 17h (1 reply)

Right about CNN? Well we don't know for sure if they would've done this before his buddies bought it. But who knows. Even without this bullshit, it's worth boycotting CNN now. They bought Warner Bros knowing full well it would make for a great extension to their propaganda machine.

What saddens me is Warner Bros also owns HBO, which makes Last Week Tonight. I doubt John Oliver would cave in, but they can just cancel his show.

njm1314@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 14h

I absolutely know that for sure. No doubt my mind whatsoever. This is a very CNN thing to do.

Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 19 pts · 22h

To obtain money. I remember cnn airing bits about "the secret" without disclosing that it was an ad.

forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 22h (1 reply)

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destructdisc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 11h

Fixed, sorry

vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 14h

Ya know that scens from The Thing where Macready pours his scotch into the chess computer, I want to do that to AI data center server racks. Sadly I am not nearly as handsome as a young or even current Kurt Russell.

LegoBrickOnFire@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 6h

I really hate the cognitive dissonance in seeing a bot avatar pretend to be human when I clearly know it's merely stealimg our likeness and behaviour.

It's like the demons from Frieren for the weebs amongst us.

stoly@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 18h

This gives "calling the house phone from the living room using the new-fangle cell phone because hahaha that's so cool" vibes. My father did that and freaked out my idiot brother.

lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 15h

Sweet, i will add this to my Roomba’s playlist.

lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 14h

dan69@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 13h (2 replies)

This when society should drop cnn as a legitimate source of worthy news.

ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 10h

That happened when it got bought by a Republican shitbag.

h0tbeef@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 12h

I stopped a while back, but this really should be enough for even the least serious viewers

grooveygroovester@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 13h (4 replies)

This is the problem with AI that is so marketable, valuable and potentially unstoppable: people thinking and behaving like it is human. They are trying to take the human out of the equation for everything. When there are so few many human roles left there will no longer be empathy, compassion or reasoning from entertainers, customer service, management or eventually potentially law.

hancock@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 12h (3 replies)

I think youre overestimating the tech here

chilicheeselies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 11h (2 replies)

They are not overestimating the response though.

echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 8h

I think I'm an optimist because I think that eventually the various companies are going to have to start turning a profit, and I just don't see it happening. When the investment money runs out there's going to be a huge crash. Frivolous pointless stuff like this will drop by the wayside.

What will be left is the useful applications of AI like scientific research and the automation of simple, but non-deterministic tasks that couldn't previously be automated via a script, such as organising logistical supply chains. But AI isn't going to replace human labour until they move away from LLM chat bots, and even then it's just a possibility not an inevitability.

hancock@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 11h

Unfortunetly, true.

Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 15h

Max Headroom and the new Pepsi generation 2026

dotCody@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 22h

Reminds me of that Al Pacino movie.

RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 22h

Same reason they give shitty people like trump airtime.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 17h (1 reply)

Link 404s

ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 16h

Yep. It died.

Duamerthrax@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 15h

I only want to see some geriatric from CNN interview Neuro-sama.

Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 9h

classic CNN, faking NEWS articles or segments.

Maxxie@piefed.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 22h

I want to talk about your career, but only after you help me write a bubble sort in python

minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 13h

They are destroying any confidence left in the truth of digital records.

Zerush@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 6h

Next Alexa and Siri

Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22h

For the views

whiteblacula@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 19h

Wasn’t this the premise for a dumb movie 20 years ago? Now it’s a premise of dumb real life?

potustheplant@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 9h

Strong "Simone" vibes

Malica@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 17h

Anyone got a working link or any link to a story about this?

omghi@thelemmy.club · 0 pts · 17h

the link doesn't work :(