Ed Sheeran is a fucking coward that tried to say he can't have Macklemore talking about Palestine because of the children in the audience. The appropriate thing for someone with $400m in the bank would have been to cancel the tour, raincheck or refund the tickets and find decent venue owners for the next attempt.
Also, I'm pretty damn sure that Robert Kraft's stadium gets tax money for something. That should fucking stop immediately.
His contracts with all those venues may cost him far more than you'd imagine if he just doesn't show or drops out. The only telling thing he has done that makes him look really badly is his lack of any statements he could have made by now.
Take the stage and read statements from every act that canceled, call for an end to genocide, and maybe cover some of their protest songs and maybe then.
tell Kraft to such a dick, and if he Still gets paid because he is evil and has good lawyers then learn your lesson and never sign a contract that allows that again. Play in dive bars until the rich fucks cave.
Kraft also owns the new england patriots. Hate to give those athletes a splash effect of their owner's awfulness. But I also think thats the celebrity world for you. We have to make zionism as toxic in the business community as it already is in public opinion polls. BDS works.
Yeah, but people will take any reason to hate on the Patriots lol. Patriots being known as pro genocide might turn people anti genocide just because haha.
I mean, I was vocally against Biden (in 2020) in a sense of, “this guy is way too conservative on Israel and will probably lose re-election as a result if the conflict there heats up.” Not a very satisfying “I told you so.” I still voted for him in 2020, but I told this to everyone at the time, and with hindsight I was absolutely right. I still voted for Harris in ‘24, but I wasn’t surprised when she lost after all the Liz Cheney/“most lethal military” shit. The job of politicians is to convince voters to support them, not to ignore them, and Biden/Harris were completely out of touch with their own base. This is not the voters’ or Macklemore’s fault, it is Biden and Harris’s fault. Can’t even blame Trump for this one.
“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe.”
Yes, Jewish people suffered greatly in the last century.
Yes, there people in certain countries/religions who actively want to kill Jews or at least Israelis.
Yes, Israel is a majority Jewish state.
But.
No, a past genocide does not give a free pass to execute a new one.
No, murdering thousands in collateral to catch the ones who might be dangerous is not acceptable (not to mention the executions etc of obvious non-combatants).
No Israel does not speak for all Jewish people nor have justification to excuse their behaviour/crimes as such.
Also, yes the Israeli government/leadership is corrupt as fuck, uses war to dodge accountability, and is involved in a lot more terrible acts than "just" the ones in Palestine.
Honestly, when Mossad was blowing up pages and mobiles I thought that was great. It was strategic, effective, and we'll targeted at the actual terrorist leaders/allies rather than causing mass casualties.. they obviously have the capability to be much more surgical in their responses, so mass-bombings etc seem that much more like war/hate crimes. Doing this just creates more hatred, which leads to more terrorists and a continual cycle.
80 years of making the wrong political decision at every fork in the road.
Always on the wrong side of things.
Eventually that catches up with you. No matter who you are.
That is what we are seeing unfold in Gaza in our present times.
Walking out on the U.N. partition plan negotiations back in 1948 was a tragic mistake,
and it's only become more disastrous with the passage of the years and
decades since then.
No musician or singer poncing about on stage like an uninformed idiot before a crowd of even less informed idiots
can change anything about those facts.
Here is a simple take on this. I'm living here near a little town on my little half acre of land. Then some people move in beside me on their little half acre of land and they have support of the nearby town and several counties giving them the land and the house. It's not the best land in the area but they get it for free. Now I'm sitting here on my little half acre minding my own business and the nearby town and counties decide that hey we're going to give the people that just moved in beside you a quarter of your land and I go no you're not so I put up a fence they come in and tear it down and take it anyway. Now my neighbors on the other side of me they want to back me but they're afraid because my new neighbors have the backing of the local police and sheriff. So they just stick to their own business. Well I'm not very powerful but I'll go out there and I step on my old stolen piece of land and I put up a fence again. This time The neighbor comes out with guns and start shooting my cats tears down the fence and says well we're going to take a little more and so they take a little more. So we kind of settle into an uneasy fuck you across the fence for a while. Eventually my neighbor sees that hey my land is growing corn and stuff and it's nice and flat so they decide that that's what they want to so they decide one day they take down part of the fence and they move it another 50 ft intake my whole front yard now what do you think I'm going to do? I'm going to fight the whole time cuz I got nowhere to go. Then my neighbors decide they want my fucking house too so they come over start shooting my cats and throwing my shit out in the yard setting it on fire all what the help of the local police and sheriff. Now you tell me who the terrorist is?. That's a rhetorical question.
That was not a lot of words. Maybe you should work on your reading. Or you could just fuck all the way off. Either choice would be a net benefit to the world.
If Palestine agreed to give up the most fertile part of their land, to the government that just invaded and genocided them, do you think Israel would have stopped?
No you have to confront trash at every turn, even if it seems pointless. I dont have the energy to do it most of the time and that's on me, but I certainly won't discourage those who have it
#I'm tired boss and #thats the point. The shit storm they are staring up in every direction is quite literally a tactic in debate. "Gish Gallop" (or bullshit storm) is what it is called. Just being used in physical form by these fuckers on the geopolitical level.
The real damage is done by those millions who want to 'survive.' The honest men who just want to be left in peace. Those who don’t want their little lives disturbed by anything bigger than themselves. Those with no sides and no causes. Those who won’t take measure of their own strength, for fear of antagonizing their own weakness. Those who don’t like to make waves—or enemies.
Sophie Scholl
Sophie Scholl and her little group opposed the Nazis from inside Germany, she was executed 22. February 1943, she was 21 years old
All of the remaining support acts on Ed Sheeran's US tour have quit, after the rapper Macklemore was dropped from the line-up for making pro-Palestinian remarks on stage.
Among them were Finneas, the brother of pop star Billie Eilish, who said in a statement: "Artists must not be silenced when they speak up for the oppressed."
Irish singer-songwriter Aaron Rowe and Danish band Lukas Graham also announced their departure. Irish folk band Beoga, who perform with Sheeran on stage every night, dropped out too.
I made a reminder at work that Target took down lgbt products, removed "DEI" language out of their policies, and did a racism when I saw the party planner bought some shit from Target for a pizza party. Immediately the dog piling began and she's terrified to bring a target bag here again.
I understand Costco, I think it was, consistently made the opposite choices from Target. That's off the top of my mind, though, so do check for yourself.
If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor. If an elephant has its foot on the tail of a mouse and you say that you are neutral, the mouse will not appreciate your neutrality.
I mean, practically speaking, he probably won't be playing his next show given that his touring band and all his other openers quit in protest. So unless it's going to be four hours of Ed and an acoustic guitar...
His band and opening performers quit. I'm not sure how he could do a show. Apparently with Macklemore on the tour the Epstein class venue owners were starting to refuse him locations to play, so he caved, and now artists don't want to work with him.
On the one hand, no one should be taking their political opinions from fucking celebrities. On the other hand, being against genocide is a pretty easy one to get right and he still can't manage to do it...
Political opinions from uninformed or biased celebrities no, but at the same time it's easier you somebody who already has a following to make that push in the right (or wrong) direction than some random nobody.. This is especially true in the US where people are being actively oppressed by their own government, as it's a significantly harder for ICE etc to suddenly disappear somebody famous versus a random "dissident".
My problem with the situation is not so much the celebrities speaking out. They can say whatever they want, it's their platform. My problem is with all the people listening and forming their own opinions around that. There are (or at least should be) better informed sources to learn about problems like this from. Media is fucked up too though so at this point I guess gather information from wherever you can.
Yeah if you're solely basing your opinion on what some famous dude with no other credentials says then that's a bad idea. I still try and listen to the professionals, but they are being suppressed especially in the news. Still, it seems people are as much likely to migrate towards celebrities that seem to share their political views as they are to be informed by them.
If people are going to follow celebrities for politica informationl, maybe they would be better off to go with Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine). He at least he has a degree in Political Science, and a decent wit to go with it.
3 downvotes lol people are wild on the internet man, clearly idk what i am doing here so why the hate, thank you for the 4 upvotes tho whoever you are know you rock and Jesus loves you
It's fair to be critical of his cameo on Game Of Thrones but this is some crazy misdirected hate.
Let me guess, Zionist control over trending topics is trying to redirect anger that should be focused on those actually doing the genocide, instead of trying to turn this into some ongoing story.
Makes no sense and no one should go to his shows... Just because he's not a very good musician.
Ed is a musician. I would not expect perfect diplomacy from any musician. His job is to please his audience and I suspect he doesn’t quite know what that is politically. He appears to be caught between a rock and a hard place. I doubt he has any hard line political position and simply tries to balance demands from his fans and management while wishing he could just keep plucking strings.
No, he’s a millionaire, who used to be just a musician. He chose his management, and they arranged the tour in partnership with Kraft and his ilk. This is his tour, so it’s ultimately his responsibility, and he made several bad choices
It suck for Ed because probably HE just wanted to get cool musician in His tour, and having your friend Maclemore in it, was just that, He supporting His friend. But then Robert Kraft tells you to kick Maclemore or you can't play in his stadium, to me that fucker should be the one receiving more heat.
Could Ed say fuck you Robert Kraft!?, probably, but it's not that easy, a tour means a lot of jobs for a lot of people, and now He is the bad guy. I don't think that He had th eidea to make a tour to shine a light in society's problems, He just wanted to play music and get paid.
Now Pink, that was just career suicide, when 2 countries are fighting and one has tanks and assault rifles and the other has rocks, and you are Team Tank you are just a douche
"Oh, you're cancelling my concert on a venue I already paid because you suddenly don't like part of my entourage? Nice! You know the closest court so I can sue the hell out of you for breach of contract? Also: I'm gonna make sure you regret this by being extremely public about who's cancelling the show and for what reason."
And that would have made him fill the next few venues just out of spite for the asshole Kraft. But he had to choose bothsiding in a matter that has genociders and victims.
Agree. I don't really care about Ed or even know his music, but when he's the main attraction for the audience and the host for the supporting acts, he has to be the last one to cancel.
He needs to do that now to save any shed of integrity.
In hindsight he ought to be have coordinated with the other bands outside of the press before saying anything at all. There's no saving this now, when it already shows that he caved in to the demands regardless of his reasoning for doing so.
But if someone says "Take my side or you're a murderer" they don't care about the kids, they just want to use their moral stance as an excuse for social dominance, which is why many people end up resisting "good causes" to defend themselves against the garbage energy that's hidden behind their "morally justified" anger.
In reality someone either has a sensible opinion or they don't, and you're not gonna pressure anyone into changing their mind with force anyway, so it's just a self-serving excuse to take your neuroticism out on other people.
Yes, that's why it isn't a question at all but a way to pressure someone into saying what you want. It's a social dominance tactic employed by dark triad personality types.
Which are exactly the types the "righteous causes" attract, because it allows them to express their desire for social dominance by hitting people over the head with things that nobody sensible would disagree with in the first place.
"You're not a supporter of Genocide, are you?!" No you scintillating moron, nobody in their right mind is. And if they were, they wouldn't answer your question truthfully anyway.
Anyone who is victimized is a victim, the existence of greater victims do not discount the existence of lesser victims. Victimization is a binary, not graded on a scale.
Social causes are not excuses to vent your pent-up anger at life because you are unable to live skillfully.
Sure, these people must be into social causes because of some hokey amateur psychoanalysis, it can’t possibly be that people are simply not into political violence. I think you need to learn about Occam’s Razor, big dawg, because right now you’re making up conspiracy theories to explain some pretty simple situations.
People who are into psychological violence aren't against political violence, they simply don't have the power to commit the latter so they stick to the former.
The seed of violence is the same. The scale is only limited by your access to power.
My experience with the majority of ideologues these days is that they do this.
They give you a false question which is essentially "You're not with the baby bunny killers are you?" And the only answer is no, and the only reason they ask you is to relieve some of all the aggression they're carrying around by forcing you to give the answer they want by posing a false question.
It's a socially acceptable form of psychological violence. And all it does is make healthy people distance themselves from political movements that otherwise have the right opinions, but are using them the wrong way. Because of their Egos, they're literally losing voters.
IDF's claims that Hamas committed mass rape and/or used rape as a weapon on October 7th have never been substantiated. Unlike the IDF themselves.
The one that lobs rockets to the other on a daily basis?
that's still the IDF.
You're comparing a few primitive rockets with no guidance systems a week to a systematic genocide deliberately targeting civilians including children and somehow arriving at the former being worse.
However its not like jews are the grand evil
Nope, "the jews" aren't "the grand evil".
The state of Israel, on the other hand, is a fascist apartheid state that has been inherently and enthusiastically genocidal for 80 years and categorically denies all responsibility for its countless atrocities
and were never attacked b4.
"Those who make peaceful resistance impossible will make violent resistance inevitable."
-- JFK, edited to fit
That's also why most of the international community shuts up about this
No. Geopolitical mafia methods from the US, Germany, the UK, and other allies of the fascist apartheid regime is why most governments don't dare point out the absurdly obvious.
They dont have a solution.
They have several, but all of the good ones require that Israel recognize that Palestinians are humans and act accordingly, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
Of course as an artist you can point out problems without having the solution
That's literally the job of any political art.
When Picasso painted Guernica, nobody asked him to propose terms for a cease fire.
Because that would be ridiculous.
Its easy clout for them.
Yeah, having some of the most powerful people in the world doing their best to take away your livelihood because you object to genocide is SUCH an easy mode grift! 🙄
Another reason to not like "taking sides" is avoiding potential aggravation of fans agains local jews
Again with the antisemitic conflating of "Israeli war criminals and other Zionists, most of which are Evangelical Christians" and "all jews" 🙄
Its the responsible cowardly and complicit thing to do.
Yeah, that's why evangelical Christians are so gung ho for the Apartheid state:
the biblical prophecies they take literally require all Jewish people to be in the area at the time of Armageddon so that most of them can be converted to Christianity and the rest can be slaughtered.
They murdered concert goers too. There were hundreds of vehicles in the area of the music festival that had the roofs smashed downward by explosives from above. Hamas had no capabilities to inflict that kind of damage on those vehicles. It was reported by IDF officers that the Hannibal Directive was used to justify "shooting anything that moves" in the area that included the festival, and 14 attack helicopters fired all their munitions and resupplied and continued shooting at vehicles on that day. There were also attack drones used for similar strikes on vehicles in the area with missiles. There are also the reports of IDF tanks being order to shoot at homes in the area that contained captives. The IDF are likely responsible for many of the deaths of Israelis and festival goers.
Nof Erez, a former senior Israeli Air Force official, said that a "mass Hannibal Directive” was employed that day.
“There was crazy hysteria,” one source told Haaretz. “No one had a clue about the number of people kidnapped or where army forces were.”
Heavy Israeli fire was also aimed at a fence between Israel and Gaza. At first, soldiers were instructed that "no vehicles should be allowed to re-enter the Gaza Strip”, according to a security source who spoke with Haaretz. Then an order was issued to "turn the fence area into an extermination zone". At night, an order was given to "open live fire at anyone approaching the area [the fence]”.
In April 2024, the Israeli army published its findings regarding the death of Israeli hostage Efrat Katz. The report stated: "During the battles and the airstrikes, one of the combat helicopters that took part in the fighting fired at a vehicle containing terrorists - and which, in retrospect… also contained hostages… most of the terrorists operating the vehicles were killed as a result of the shooting, and apparently Efrat Katz."
The Israeli army also fired at a house at kibbutz Be'eri, where Hamas fighters were holding 15 Israeli hostages. Barak Hiram, a brigadier general, said in an interview with the New York Times in December that he ordered tank shells to be fired at the house as negotiations were now over. “Break in, even at the cost of civilian casualties.” Only two hostages survived.
Basically both are committing it at this point. Just Israel has more firepower through USA. Things would look worse if it was the other way around. See oct 7 to get a glimpse of that reality. Or Afghanistan to taste unchecked islamism hamas wants to implement.
But no, let's not talk about the slow rolling genocide ongoing since the end of WWII, we have to look at one little event in the last decade and pretend it's the start of the problem.
Fuck Israel and anyone who supports them. Especially through this mealy mouthed 'both sides are at fault' horse shit.
Yes, we just found out that Netanyahu probably knowingly let it happen, seemingly to stay out of prison, and kick the long, slow genocide into a higher gear. Israel never wanted peace, that's why Netanyahu helped create and fund Hamas. It wants the land, without the people of Palestine living there.
Shema Yisrael, most of the "Local Jews" I know, think it's very clear Israel has gone way beyond what's reasonable or justifiable and are sick of being tarred with blood libel by people using their names to defend the Israeli genocide. They're also sick of being ghettoized by loud, wealthy zionists who are acting as anti-semitic against the diaspora as some of the the actual anti-semites.
Hamas isnt eradicated. You'd just see the same shit happen every 3 years. Of course israel went beyond whats morally acceptable but thats what ed sheeran agrees on. Both sides.
And you just added another hundred years to how many times it will happen every 3 years. You cannot kill your way out of this. You will only make more threats.
"The (UN) inquiry commission said Israeli authorities had not allowed its team to access victims, witnesses, the sites of the attack, or evidence related to rape, sexual torture or sexual mutilation."
"The commission said it had "not been able to reach a definitive conclusion" as to whether rape, gang rape, sexual torture or genital mutilation occurred because it hadn't been able to talk to survivors or witnesses or access the places where the attacks took place. The report added that Israeli authorities had actively "obstruct[ed] the Commission's access to information related to sexual violence" by not responding to requests for information or calls for testimonies, or by banning medical doctors from talking to the commission because they cited distrust about the commission's intentions towards Israel."
Tldr no evidence of any rape, Israel actively blocked UN attempts to gather evidence of it and at least two rape claims have been completely debunked.
u/Waterpumpee: this is a well worn path for what used to be western civilization, and enshrined in the UN charter than Israel and the US both signed. Using violence for self defense has to satisfy 3 ideas for it to be legitimate. (1) You have to have honestly exhausted peaceful means. (2) It has to be due to a real threat rather than an imagined one, and (3) it has to be proportional.
Palestinian civilians were never a threat.
Nor were all peaceful means exhausted by Israel. They never honored what deals they made, going all the way back to partition, and they assassinate negotiators and journalists as a policy.
And even considering Israels framing of Palestinians as a unified block-- where all Palestinians are somehow hamas killers, which is obviously a bankrupt racist idea and a war crime-- the violence leveled on Palestinians for the last 80 years has never been proportional to what Israel was then answered with. Israelis prided themselves on a 10-1 or 100-1 ratio of victims. If a kid throws a rock they kill the whole family.
Palestinians have a legitimate right to self defense and Israelis just dont have a leg to stand on in terms of a justification for using force. they really never have since the first 5 minutes of Israels existence when they launched the Nakba displacing 100s of thousands and murdering like crazy. Israelis are terrorists. Its really that simple, and the logic of it really cant be disproven.
The western world should be boots on the ground there, today, making sure the israelis respect the UN charter they promised they would honor when they signed the document, and containing them in the land they agreed to stay in when the country was started. They wont do it themselves so they need to be contained militarily for the good of the planet. This war with Iran is another front on their war, and no one else wanted it or gains from it.
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Jaysyn@lemmy.world · 151 pts · 1d
Ed Sheeran is a fucking coward that tried to say he can't have Macklemore talking about Palestine because of the children in the audience. The appropriate thing for someone with $400m in the bank would have been to cancel the tour, raincheck or refund the tickets and find decent venue owners for the next attempt.
Also, I'm pretty damn sure that Robert Kraft's stadium gets tax money for something. That should fucking stop immediately.
bdonvr@thelemmy.club · 94 pts · 1d
Meanwhile small children entertainment superstar Ms. Rachel: https://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ms-rachel-criticises-ed-sheeran-macklemore-us-tour-1819728
Screenshot of her recent posts on IG:
Earthwormjim91@lemmy.world · 51 pts · 19h
She’s exactly right too.
He had zero problem being political with Ukraine, when it was pretty universally accepted.
His problem isn’t politics, it’s actually having a backbone and standing up against any sort of adversity.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 13h
As always, Miss Rachel 100% on point
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · 31 pts · 1d
No. The proper thing to do is take the stage and repeat Macklemores words and cover the song Macklemore covered.
darvocet@infosec.pub · 22 pts · 1d
No that's how you attempt to save face now.
ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de · -3 pts · 1d
His contracts with all those venues may cost him far more than you'd imagine if he just doesn't show or drops out. The only telling thing he has done that makes him look really badly is his lack of any statements he could have made by now.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 21h
Oh nooooo, it would cost him? How will he eat tomorrow?
…better than children in Palestine, that’s for sure.
Triasha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 44m
Take the stage and read statements from every act that canceled, call for an end to genocide, and maybe cover some of their protest songs and maybe then.
tell Kraft to such a dick, and if he Still gets paid because he is evil and has good lawyers then learn your lesson and never sign a contract that allows that again. Play in dive bars until the rich fucks cave.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 1d
Kraft also owns the new england patriots. Hate to give those athletes a splash effect of their owner's awfulness. But I also think thats the celebrity world for you. We have to make zionism as toxic in the business community as it already is in public opinion polls. BDS works.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 1d
the NFL world is a tiny bit less left leaning than the music world
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 13h
Yeah, but people will take any reason to hate on the Patriots lol. Patriots being known as pro genocide might turn people anti genocide just because haha.
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 16h
Oh, the fucking irony...
Macklemore was vocally against Biden and proclaimed he wouldn't vote for him.
He didn't pick a side. I presume he didn't vote for Trump, but he sure convinced folks not to vote for Biden.
Trump is raping the US and the world right now.
Edit: Fuck anyone who doesn't oppose Israel's genocide.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 10h
I mean, I was vocally against Biden (in 2020) in a sense of, “this guy is way too conservative on Israel and will probably lose re-election as a result if the conflict there heats up.” Not a very satisfying “I told you so.” I still voted for him in 2020, but I told this to everyone at the time, and with hindsight I was absolutely right. I still voted for Harris in ‘24, but I wasn’t surprised when she lost after all the Liz Cheney/“most lethal military” shit. The job of politicians is to convince voters to support them, not to ignore them, and Biden/Harris were completely out of touch with their own base. This is not the voters’ or Macklemore’s fault, it is Biden and Harris’s fault. Can’t even blame Trump for this one.
aaa999@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
he had a song where he called on people to abstain from voting for biden
mfed1122@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 3h
Won't somebody think of the children?!? (Not the Palestinian ones)
Ichiro_kun@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 10h
He's an autistic asshole what tf u expect. 😭
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 122 pts · 1d
“We must take sides. Neutrality helps the oppressor, never the victim. Silence encourages the tormentor, never the tormented. Sometimes we must interfere. When human lives are endangered, when human dignity is in jeopardy, national borders and sensitivities become irrelevant. Wherever men and women are persecuted because of their race, religion, or political views, that place must - at that moment - become the center of the universe.”
-Elie Wiesel
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 23 pts · 23h
Goddamn anti-Semite!
(/s, clearly)
Slovene85@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 15h
"I hate these filthy Neutrals, Kif. With enemies you know where they stand but with Neutrals, who knows? It sickens me."
-Zapp Brannigan
galacticbackhoe@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
"If you are neutral in situations of injustice, you have chosen the side of the oppressor."
-Desmond Tutu
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 20h
Sheeran posted this on IG:
But when a side has a 1000:1 kill rate and it's actively trying to remove/cleanse/genocide the other side from its foundation...
Hamas exists because Israel
BlameTheAntifa@piefed.social · 20 pts · 10h
I cannot imagine someone “both sidesing” a brutal fucking genocide. But here we are.
Ed Sheeran is a murder-supporting piece of nazi trash, and he is doing it for money.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 9 pts · 19h
Yeah, sounds quite similar.
decolo@piefed.social · 8 pts · 10h
Don't forget Bennie Netanyahu's literal suitcases of money he gave them secretly because he needed an excuse to continue the war mobilization
phx@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5h
Yes, Jewish people suffered greatly in the last century. Yes, there people in certain countries/religions who actively want to kill Jews or at least Israelis. Yes, Israel is a majority Jewish state.
But.
No, a past genocide does not give a free pass to execute a new one. No, murdering thousands in collateral to catch the ones who might be dangerous is not acceptable (not to mention the executions etc of obvious non-combatants). No Israel does not speak for all Jewish people nor have justification to excuse their behaviour/crimes as such. Also, yes the Israeli government/leadership is corrupt as fuck, uses war to dodge accountability, and is involved in a lot more terrible acts than "just" the ones in Palestine.
Honestly, when Mossad was blowing up pages and mobiles I thought that was great. It was strategic, effective, and we'll targeted at the actual terrorist leaders/allies rather than causing mass casualties.. they obviously have the capability to be much more surgical in their responses, so mass-bombings etc seem that much more like war/hate crimes. Doing this just creates more hatred, which leads to more terrorists and a continual cycle.
Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world · -36 pts · 19h
80 years of making the wrong political decision at every fork in the road.
Always on the wrong side of things.
Eventually that catches up with you. No matter who you are.
That is what we are seeing unfold in Gaza in our present times.
Walking out on the U.N. partition plan negotiations back in 1948 was a tragic mistake, and it's only become more disastrous with the passage of the years and decades since then.
No musician or singer poncing about on stage like an uninformed idiot before a crowd of even less informed idiots can change anything about those facts.
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 15h
Here is a simple take on this. I'm living here near a little town on my little half acre of land. Then some people move in beside me on their little half acre of land and they have support of the nearby town and several counties giving them the land and the house. It's not the best land in the area but they get it for free. Now I'm sitting here on my little half acre minding my own business and the nearby town and counties decide that hey we're going to give the people that just moved in beside you a quarter of your land and I go no you're not so I put up a fence they come in and tear it down and take it anyway. Now my neighbors on the other side of me they want to back me but they're afraid because my new neighbors have the backing of the local police and sheriff. So they just stick to their own business. Well I'm not very powerful but I'll go out there and I step on my old stolen piece of land and I put up a fence again. This time The neighbor comes out with guns and start shooting my cats tears down the fence and says well we're going to take a little more and so they take a little more. So we kind of settle into an uneasy fuck you across the fence for a while. Eventually my neighbor sees that hey my land is growing corn and stuff and it's nice and flat so they decide that that's what they want to so they decide one day they take down part of the fence and they move it another 50 ft intake my whole front yard now what do you think I'm going to do? I'm going to fight the whole time cuz I got nowhere to go. Then my neighbors decide they want my fucking house too so they come over start shooting my cats and throwing my shit out in the yard setting it on fire all what the help of the local police and sheriff. Now you tell me who the terrorist is?. That's a rhetorical question.
Johnmannesca@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 11h
Wow, no response. Figures.
Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 6h
bloody waste of words..
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 5h
That was not a lot of words. Maybe you should work on your reading. Or you could just fuck all the way off. Either choice would be a net benefit to the world.
Taldan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 6h
Apparently words are wasted on you. Too dense for them to get through
ProfThadBach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 3h
Whatever you say chubs.
Corn@lemmy.ml · 30 pts · 16h
If Palestine agreed to give up the most fertile part of their land, to the government that just invaded and genocided them, do you think Israel would have stopped?
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 10h
Why do you engage with trash when the block button is RIGHT THERE?
Some people’s ideas don’t fucking matter.
GeriatricGambino@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 9h
No you have to confront trash at every turn, even if it seems pointless. I dont have the energy to do it most of the time and that's on me, but I certainly won't discourage those who have it
ElChinchilla@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
#I'm tired boss and #thats the point. The shit storm they are staring up in every direction is quite literally a tactic in debate. "Gish Gallop" (or bullshit storm) is what it is called. Just being used in physical form by these fuckers on the geopolitical level.
Freeposity@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
The Trump administration calls it "Flooding the zone". You're right, it's quite deliberate.
Taldan@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6h
You're going to need to be less vague with what you're saying. Vague, but strongely worded comments are a hallmark of conspiracy nuts
ironpangolin29@lemmy.ca · 54 pts · 1d
Ser Davos was always wise.
green_goglin@thelemmy.club · 9 pts · 1d
Ed is only versed in DeVos
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 1d
Thank dog I never gave a crap about his music. I look forward to ignoring his future commercial endorsements for CapitalOne Bank and Smirnoff Ice.
kSPvhmTOlwvMd7Y7E@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 18h
stealing the "thank dog" thanku
auzy1@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 1d
The funny thing is that I have no interest in watching ed Sheeran, and here in Australia, pretty sure a lot of people would rather watch Macklemore
raman_klogius@ani.social · 33 pts · 1d
He's in love with the shape of 💵
BobWehadababyitsaboy@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 22h
...the shape of EUR
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 16h
GBP. The UK never had the euro.
pipes@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 16h
But they wanted to rhyme with "shape of you" ;)
deacon@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 1d
Cunningham is bad ass, always has been.
Enkrod@feddit.org · 22 pts · 3h
Sophie Scholl and her little group opposed the Nazis from inside Germany, she was executed 22. February 1943, she was 21 years old
florencia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 47m
Alternative for Germany trying to use Sophie Scholl on their marketing was wild.
DakRalter@thelemmy.club · 20 pts · 8h
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c3vgyn49y4l7o
Ahahaha!
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 3h
Exactly what he deserved for being a selfish coward. Hahaha, sucks to suck!
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 1d
Based Davos Seaworth
Mantzy81@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 14h
How does one boycott Ed Sheeran when you already skip all his drivel?
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 9h
Through mockery.
I made a reminder at work that Target took down lgbt products, removed "DEI" language out of their policies, and did a racism when I saw the party planner bought some shit from Target for a pizza party. Immediately the dog piling began and she's terrified to bring a target bag here again.
cujo255@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6h
Serious question, what is the alternative for target as Amazon and others are at least as bad?
Balinares@pawb.social · 3 pts · 4h
I understand Costco, I think it was, consistently made the opposite choices from Target. That's off the top of my mind, though, so do check for yourself.
mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 6h
Depends what you're trying to buy. Don't get everything at superstores, engage with your local community
kreskin@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
Liam Cunningam seems like a pretty good dude.
ArtVandelay@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Was one of my favorite characters in an otherwise unlikable show (GoT)
lugal@sopuli.xyz · 17 pts · 5h
– Desmond Tutu
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 1d
How long before he caves?
He can't possibly play his next show, can he? If he does, the only gig he'll get after this is the Republican Convention.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 21h
I wish you were right but…honestly Zionism and genocide are highly tolerated in this country.
Voroxpete@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 14h
I mean, practically speaking, he probably won't be playing his next show given that his touring band and all his other openers quit in protest. So unless it's going to be four hours of Ed and an acoustic guitar...
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 9h
Kanye West is also playing at those same stadiums that banned Macklemore.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 7h
Well yeah, Israel is more tolerant of antisemitism than antizionism
FlexibleToast@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
His band and opening performers quit. I'm not sure how he could do a show. Apparently with Macklemore on the tour the Epstein class venue owners were starting to refuse him locations to play, so he caved, and now artists don't want to work with him.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 1d
Yep and his "promoters decision" cowards framing is spineless.
Mediocre_Bard_Redeux@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 10h
I did not foresee Isreal/Palestine unseating Ed Sheeran's popular image, but here we are.
UpAndAtThem@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1d
Never forget that Ed Sheeran showing up in Game Of Thrones was the harbinger of its inevitable ruin.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 6h
On the one hand, no one should be taking their political opinions from fucking celebrities. On the other hand, being against genocide is a pretty easy one to get right and he still can't manage to do it...
Doorbook@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 6h
Is not about taking celebraties opinion, it fan not wanting to support a genocide supporter
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 6h
Right, he should be boycotted for this. He took a side.
crapwittyname@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 2h
No one should get their political opinions from celebrities, but so many do.
phx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 5h
Political opinions from uninformed or biased celebrities no, but at the same time it's easier you somebody who already has a following to make that push in the right (or wrong) direction than some random nobody.. This is especially true in the US where people are being actively oppressed by their own government, as it's a significantly harder for ICE etc to suddenly disappear somebody famous versus a random "dissident".
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 4h
My problem with the situation is not so much the celebrities speaking out. They can say whatever they want, it's their platform. My problem is with all the people listening and forming their own opinions around that. There are (or at least should be) better informed sources to learn about problems like this from. Media is fucked up too though so at this point I guess gather information from wherever you can.
phx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1h
Yeah if you're solely basing your opinion on what some famous dude with no other credentials says then that's a bad idea. I still try and listen to the professionals, but they are being suppressed especially in the news. Still, it seems people are as much likely to migrate towards celebrities that seem to share their political views as they are to be informed by them.
If people are going to follow celebrities for politica informationl, maybe they would be better off to go with Tom Morello (Rage Against the Machine). He at least he has a degree in Political Science, and a decent wit to go with it.
auzy1@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 21h
Its probably the only real attention he's gotten for a while.
dylanmorgan@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 23h
The Onion Knight is pretty awesome in real life.
ryven@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 23h
He looks different without the helmet!
Yukonfooty@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 1d
His soccer team got destroyed by a 16 year old today, too. Love to see it.
Stolas@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 1d
And this is why I try to stay detached from entertainers.
It's great if they turn out to be decent people who are willing to stand up for good causes but it always hurts to find out when they're like this.
Randelung@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 3h
Take note, Switzerland. Neutrality is a cop out.
VitoRobles@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 44m
Switzerland has a pro-fascist history. They're neutral like visa/MasterCard is neutral.
heartSagan5@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 4h
Apathy feeds the oppressor.
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.social · 4 pts · 1d
What if you take a stance but that stance makes the genocide worse?
KulunkelBoom@lemmus.org · 3 pts · 2h
Good. Maybe it will get worse.
ChrisLePerl@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 17h
hello all I am new
MJKee9@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7h
Hey New! Interesting name.
ChrisLePerl@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 7h
thank you hehehehe
ChrisLePerl@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 7h
3 downvotes lol people are wild on the internet man, clearly idk what i am doing here so why the hate, thank you for the 4 upvotes tho whoever you are know you rock and Jesus loves you
RabbitBBQ@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1h
It's fair to be critical of his cameo on Game Of Thrones but this is some crazy misdirected hate.
Let me guess, Zionist control over trending topics is trying to redirect anger that should be focused on those actually doing the genocide, instead of trying to turn this into some ongoing story.
Makes no sense and no one should go to his shows... Just because he's not a very good musician.
tio_bira@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 6h
Sseth is having a wonderful week, almost like he and the merchants guild have planned all this...
MrShankles@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 3h
Who is Sseth?
tio_bira@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 3m
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sgi5uTqgtJM
betanumerus@lemmy.ca · -6 pts · 9h
Ed is a musician. I would not expect perfect diplomacy from any musician. His job is to please his audience and I suspect he doesn’t quite know what that is politically. He appears to be caught between a rock and a hard place. I doubt he has any hard line political position and simply tries to balance demands from his fans and management while wishing he could just keep plucking strings.
ParadoxSeahorse@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 6h
No, he’s a millionaire, who used to be just a musician. He chose his management, and they arranged the tour in partnership with Kraft and his ilk. This is his tour, so it’s ultimately his responsibility, and he made several bad choices
elevenbones@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 6h
Redvenom@retrolemmy.com · -16 pts · 1d
It suck for Ed because probably HE just wanted to get cool musician in His tour, and having your friend Maclemore in it, was just that, He supporting His friend. But then Robert Kraft tells you to kick Maclemore or you can't play in his stadium, to me that fucker should be the one receiving more heat.
Could Ed say fuck you Robert Kraft!?, probably, but it's not that easy, a tour means a lot of jobs for a lot of people, and now He is the bad guy. I don't think that He had th eidea to make a tour to shine a light in society's problems, He just wanted to play music and get paid.
Now Pink, that was just career suicide, when 2 countries are fighting and one has tanks and assault rifles and the other has rocks, and you are Team Tank you are just a douche
Grimy@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1d
No one would think he was the bad guy if he publicly condemned Robert. More importantly, he could probably sue the shit out of him for this.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 1d
Yeah, it's a hard choice. And, so far, he's made the wrong one.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 19 pts · 19h
"Oh, you're cancelling my concert on a venue I already paid because you suddenly don't like part of my entourage? Nice! You know the closest court so I can sue the hell out of you for breach of contract? Also: I'm gonna make sure you regret this by being extremely public about who's cancelling the show and for what reason."
And that would have made him fill the next few venues just out of spite for the asshole Kraft. But he had to choose bothsiding in a matter that has genociders and victims.
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
For real. Sheeran is a household name. Kraft is not. Tell him to kick rocks and talk to your lawyer. Ugh. So unprofessional all around
bstix@feddit.dk · 5 pts · 18h
Agree. I don't really care about Ed or even know his music, but when he's the main attraction for the audience and the host for the supporting acts, he has to be the last one to cancel.
He needs to do that now to save any shed of integrity.
In hindsight he ought to be have coordinated with the other bands outside of the press before saying anything at all. There's no saving this now, when it already shows that he caved in to the demands regardless of his reasoning for doing so.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 13h
And if not then, definitely now. 3 of his opening acts and his own supporting band have now cancelled their performances...
bstix@feddit.dk · 2 pts · 13h
Yeah, he's proper fucked now. That's a career killer.
He has enough money to sod off in some luxury resort for the rest of his life anyway.
Zensate@lemmy.world · -38 pts · 21h
But if someone says "Take my side or you're a murderer" they don't care about the kids, they just want to use their moral stance as an excuse for social dominance, which is why many people end up resisting "good causes" to defend themselves against the garbage energy that's hidden behind their "morally justified" anger.
In reality someone either has a sensible opinion or they don't, and you're not gonna pressure anyone into changing their mind with force anyway, so it's just a self-serving excuse to take your neuroticism out on other people.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 26 pts · 21h
Soooooo. You don't mind genocide?
Zensate@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 21h
My opinions are not so frivolous as to be paraded around for social clout.
ChunkMcHorkle@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 20h
Says the dude posting his opinions online to be paraded around for social clout, lol.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@piefed.social · 8 pts · 19h
If there is a question with a simple and absolutely right answer, it's the one the user above made to you. Yet you managed to not answer it. Wow.
Zensate@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 10h
Yes, that's why it isn't a question at all but a way to pressure someone into saying what you want. It's a social dominance tactic employed by dark triad personality types.
Which are exactly the types the "righteous causes" attract, because it allows them to express their desire for social dominance by hitting people over the head with things that nobody sensible would disagree with in the first place.
"You're not a supporter of Genocide, are you?!" No you scintillating moron, nobody in their right mind is. And if they were, they wouldn't answer your question truthfully anyway.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 4 pts · 10h
You're not the victim here bro.
Zensate@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 10h
Anyone who is victimized is a victim, the existence of greater victims do not discount the existence of lesser victims. Victimization is a binary, not graded on a scale.
Social causes are not excuses to vent your pent-up anger at life because you are unable to live skillfully.
fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 3h
Lotta projection there. Have a good life
kestrel7_7@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 9h
Sure, these people must be into social causes because of some hokey amateur psychoanalysis, it can’t possibly be that people are simply not into political violence. I think you need to learn about Occam’s Razor, big dawg, because right now you’re making up conspiracy theories to explain some pretty simple situations.
Zensate@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 9h
People who are into psychological violence aren't against political violence, they simply don't have the power to commit the latter so they stick to the former.
The seed of violence is the same. The scale is only limited by your access to power.
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 21h
The only people I have known in person who act like that are serious monsters. One is even in prison now.
Zensate@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 10h
My experience with the majority of ideologues these days is that they do this.
They give you a false question which is essentially "You're not with the baby bunny killers are you?" And the only answer is no, and the only reason they ask you is to relieve some of all the aggression they're carrying around by forcing you to give the answer they want by posing a false question.
It's a socially acceptable form of psychological violence. And all it does is make healthy people distance themselves from political movements that otherwise have the right opinions, but are using them the wrong way. Because of their Egos, they're literally losing voters.
Beero@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 21h
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -58 pts · 1d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 39 pts · 1d
Citation needed
Remove the last two words and that's Israel.
IDF's claims that Hamas committed mass rape and/or used rape as a weapon on October 7th have never been substantiated. Unlike the IDF themselves.
that's still the IDF.
You're comparing a few primitive rockets with no guidance systems a week to a systematic genocide deliberately targeting civilians including children and somehow arriving at the former being worse.
Nope, "the jews" aren't "the grand evil".
The state of Israel, on the other hand, is a fascist apartheid state that has been inherently and enthusiastically genocidal for 80 years and categorically denies all responsibility for its countless atrocities
"Those who make peaceful resistance impossible will make violent resistance inevitable."
-- JFK, edited to fit
No. Geopolitical mafia methods from the US, Germany, the UK, and other allies of the fascist apartheid regime is why most governments don't dare point out the absurdly obvious.
They have several, but all of the good ones require that Israel recognize that Palestinians are humans and act accordingly, which is unlikely to happen anytime soon.
That's literally the job of any political art.
When Picasso painted Guernica, nobody asked him to propose terms for a cease fire. Because that would be ridiculous.
Yeah, having some of the most powerful people in the world doing their best to take away your livelihood because you object to genocide is SUCH an easy mode grift! 🙄
Again with the antisemitic conflating of "Israeli war criminals and other Zionists, most of which are Evangelical Christians" and "all jews" 🙄
Fixed it for you.
LuannePlatter@infosec.pub · 14 pts · 1d
Viking_Hippie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 1d
Yeah, that's why evangelical Christians are so gung ho for the Apartheid state:
the biblical prophecies they take literally require all Jewish people to be in the area at the time of Armageddon so that most of them can be converted to Christianity and the rest can be slaughtered.
culprit@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 20h
They murdered concert goers too. There were hundreds of vehicles in the area of the music festival that had the roofs smashed downward by explosives from above. Hamas had no capabilities to inflict that kind of damage on those vehicles. It was reported by IDF officers that the Hannibal Directive was used to justify "shooting anything that moves" in the area that included the festival, and 14 attack helicopters fired all their munitions and resupplied and continued shooting at vehicles on that day. There were also attack drones used for similar strikes on vehicles in the area with missiles. There are also the reports of IDF tanks being order to shoot at homes in the area that contained captives. The IDF are likely responsible for many of the deaths of Israelis and festival goers.
https://www.middleeasteye.net/explainers/israel-war-gaza-what-hannibal-directive-why-controversial
https://www.rfi.fr/en/middle-east/20231105-a-month-of-israel-hamas-war-has-changed-everything
This link shows a photo of many vehicles with roofs mashed downward, and attributes the damage to Hamas attacks, which really makes no sense at all.
JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
The side that wants the genocide is the one committing the genocide
Simple as that
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -12 pts · 17h
Basically both are committing it at this point. Just Israel has more firepower through USA. Things would look worse if it was the other way around. See oct 7 to get a glimpse of that reality. Or Afghanistan to taste unchecked islamism hamas wants to implement.
JimmyMcGill@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 7h
Go and educate yourself please Look at some numbers And this didn’t start on October 7th. Long before that
qarbone@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1d
What are you even talking about?
chunk6235@piefed.social · 18 pts · 1d
It's probably the side that's been trying to empty Palestine for 80 fucking years. The whole state of Israel was founded on the ethnic cleansing of Palestine to make room for themselves.
But no, let's not talk about the slow rolling genocide ongoing since the end of WWII, we have to look at one little event in the last decade and pretend it's the start of the problem.
Fuck Israel and anyone who supports them. Especially through this mealy mouthed 'both sides are at fault' horse shit.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 17 pts · 23h
The Arab League put a peace offer on the table, under which Israel would withdraw to 1967 borders, and Hamas would recognize its existence.
Israel never addressed it. The answer is Israel. Israel wants genocide.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -5 pts · 17h
idk about history that far back. there are internationally accepted borders which are not honored by israel. thats bad.
Oct 7 was a tipping point though.
SwingingTheLamp@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 12h
Yes, we just found out that Netanyahu probably knowingly let it happen, seemingly to stay out of prison, and kick the long, slow genocide into a higher gear. Israel never wanted peace, that's why Netanyahu helped create and fund Hamas. It wants the land, without the people of Palestine living there.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 1d
Shema Yisrael, most of the "Local Jews" I know, think it's very clear Israel has gone way beyond what's reasonable or justifiable and are sick of being tarred with blood libel by people using their names to defend the Israeli genocide. They're also sick of being ghettoized by loud, wealthy zionists who are acting as anti-semitic against the diaspora as some of the the actual anti-semites.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -6 pts · 16h
Hamas isnt eradicated. You'd just see the same shit happen every 3 years. Of course israel went beyond whats morally acceptable but thats what ed sheeran agrees on. Both sides.
GreenBeard@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 9h
And you just added another hundred years to how many times it will happen every 3 years. You cannot kill your way out of this. You will only make more threats.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 14 pts · 1d
https://www.snopes.com/news/2024/06/20/un-evidence-sexual-violence-hamas/
"The (UN) inquiry commission said Israeli authorities had not allowed its team to access victims, witnesses, the sites of the attack, or evidence related to rape, sexual torture or sexual mutilation."
"The commission said it had "not been able to reach a definitive conclusion" as to whether rape, gang rape, sexual torture or genital mutilation occurred because it hadn't been able to talk to survivors or witnesses or access the places where the attacks took place. The report added that Israeli authorities had actively "obstruct[ed] the Commission's access to information related to sexual violence" by not responding to requests for information or calls for testimonies, or by banning medical doctors from talking to the commission because they cited distrust about the commission's intentions towards Israel."
Tldr no evidence of any rape, Israel actively blocked UN attempts to gather evidence of it and at least two rape claims have been completely debunked.
Only Israeli claims of rape exist.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -5 pts · 17h
Wasnt UN actually involved in financing this shit? UNRWA.
Plausible to not trust them any inch.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 16h
Israel has funded and supported Hamas too https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_support_for_Hamas
Grimy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1d
Disgusting fucking comment.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
u/Waterpumpee: this is a well worn path for what used to be western civilization, and enshrined in the UN charter than Israel and the US both signed. Using violence for self defense has to satisfy 3 ideas for it to be legitimate. (1) You have to have honestly exhausted peaceful means. (2) It has to be due to a real threat rather than an imagined one, and (3) it has to be proportional.
Palestinians have a legitimate right to self defense and Israelis just dont have a leg to stand on in terms of a justification for using force. they really never have since the first 5 minutes of Israels existence when they launched the Nakba displacing 100s of thousands and murdering like crazy. Israelis are terrorists. Its really that simple, and the logic of it really cant be disproven.
The western world should be boots on the ground there, today, making sure the israelis respect the UN charter they promised they would honor when they signed the document, and containing them in the land they agreed to stay in when the country was started. They wont do it themselves so they need to be contained militarily for the good of the planet. This war with Iran is another front on their war, and no one else wanted it or gains from it.
Agrivar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
Bruh. It's not too late to delete this comment... and your Lemmy account.
Waterpumpee@lemmus.org · -6 pts · 17h
Loud minority on this topic is just that. Loud.
Agrivar@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 11h
You're not that loud.