Segregation of labor really started just recently. Go back 10000 years and you’ll find a more even split of roles. 10000 years is fairly evolutionarily negligible- we’re largely the same, aside from some immunity quirks, homeostasis tweaks, gamete peculiarity, and cultural differences.
Pluck a baby from way back and raise it today and you’ll just be raising a pretty average immunocompromised baby.
All of that to say, “women should be in the kitchen for their own good” is unsupported by an even slightly broadened perspective. I’m pretty sure Vikings aren’t coming to rape and plunder your 200 person town, bud. Hiding your wife away is just abusive.
Case in point, men and women are almost 50/50 in STEM careers around Eastern Europe due to the USSRs policies pushing more women into these careers.
People don't realise that these norms they hold as dogma are so short-lived and subject to change that opposition only shows them unable to comprehend history past their lived experience.
While true, there is other issues with gender inequality in Eastern Europe like relatively higher domestic violence towards women and legislature to enable it in countries like Russia.
Inequality is a complex issue and needs to be looked at holistically. I have a feeling that often there is a focus on work and "career" although later seems to be mostly measured in some women who made it to C-levels. In that sense it remains an issue of women being supposed to "function" in a narrow line, rather than the system as a whole being questioned.
More women working full time is sold as a success of emancipation, despite it meaning more work overall for women who have children as some care work is difficult to delegate. At the same time it is a massive loss, that a lot of "life goals" like owning your own home require two full time income or just aren't reachable any more despite higher education levels.
When it comes to single parents, poverty becomes a strong problem and it helps enable abusive relationships as people are economically compelled to stay with an abusive partner. This issue moved on from the stay at home wives to women working full time too.
More income and less working hours are needed generally, and should help emancipation of women even more. In the eyes of capitalists that would be a grave "malfunction".
During the golden age of the "American dream" where a man had a car, a house, and a family, didn't the housewives end up relying on all sorts of pills and shit to not go crazy stuck in the house all day?
Pills, shopping, and racism. Historically, people have always numbed their minds to cope with the rapidly changing reality we live in, though largely with alcohol and funny plants.
It’s crazy that people like this actually exist. Like don’t you have your own problems to solve? How do you even have time to pedal this sexist garbage.
See the men will bring a utopia of hunger, homelessness, war, and crime. And if you call it anything other than a utopia they'll act as though you're spitting on the very foundations of Omelas.
Because anything else will bring destruction in varying types and magnitudes, from "guess I didn't get to live a happy life" at 80+ to "these maniacs have devasted half the globe for hundreds of years" and more
Oh no, we can't even exactly end life on the globe (but significantly fuck things up - yeah). And humanity going over this "man/woman is supposed to X/Y/Z" bullshit also means humanity being more mature. Question is, do we get there before some idiot does put everyone in the ground. Can't say I am sure we will
Voluntary submission regardless of gender is fine, but the full freedom to make your choices including whether or not you submit is vital to avoiding a gender based class system which is innately destructive
Yeah honestly the civilization part is what gives people rights, without it we're just back to the days of unga bunga club your ideal mate over the head and hope they live to give birth.
This man, and all men (yes, all) who hold this belief are actually weak men who are jealous and threatened by women. They need therapy to address the root cause of their toxic masculinity, not arbitrary power over half the population.
"Malfunction" made me feel slightly sick. There's no shortage of misogynist rhetoric that paints women as animals, but this guy takes it a step further into reasoning about them like they're machines.
In the USA women didn't have the right to vote until 1920, it was legal to discriminate against them in employment until 1964, that's what that guy wants us to return to.
These are the type of people who have never met or spent time around women. They create a nemesis to avoid the fact that they're the actual problem with their life.
Pretty sure the patriarchy and toxic masculinity is precisely why young men are having a loneliness epidemic and some are even doing mass murders, no thanks, dipshit.
The mental image in my head is asking a lady the time and she turns and looks at you, opens her mouth to speak and black smoke starts billowing out and she starts shooting sparks at you.
It's easy to think that if half your population were eldritch horrors civilization would have a bit of trouble.
I practice the most unsettling smile i can, and do it in really jerky movements. Wheeze while i do. Talk on both the inhale and exhale while it's maintained.
If I found the right person it seems he is married
My wife and I have been married for 22 years. We have three children and have been through all the ups and downs of married life while maintaining a satisfying emotional and sexual connection. I'm not just a talker promoting theory; I practice what I preach.
For sure, but considering all the women who’ve simply been manipulated and abused by men in their lives and aren’t at the point of getting out of it…
I mean, if you read this guy’s comment about women “malfunctioning” and “destroying civilizations” as anything but incredibly toxic I’m geuinely worried.
Yes, but it's a careful what you wish for situation. A lot of influencers in the trad wife space have found that while preaching the optics of the lifestyle of "submitting to a man" is lucrative to a predominantly male audience, the reality is detestable. Some of them are fully trapped by their decisions and absolutely miserable while publicly performing a form of femininity which deprives them of autonomy.
Once women have been emancipated from having this be their only choice the only way to force that happen at scale is violence. It's not the first time this has happened. The black death decimating populations had women as business owners and guild members and fighting for that to stay a thing once the population rebounded. The witch trials rode on the backs of these same sentiments of women needing to be controlled and treated as broodmares and the mass executions of "bothersome" women forced generations into extremely narrow confines.
Progress can be undone. What keeps it from happening is understanding the horror of regression and the humanity of those effected.
Ya know, after thousands of years of civilizations really being quite shit and watching people throwing armies at each other because of childish grudges and the like, largely while under a heavily patriarchal rule…my guy what the fuck are you talking about?
As a dude, and I do know that this is not a new take, we do not have a great track record of acting rationally while leading literally anything.
Put them back in their place. Young men no longer want to contribute to society because it's all nonsense nowadays and would rather let it burn to the ground.
LOL thanks, I wouldn't have believed it. You know how in Nature animals advertise that they're bad news with various markings? I think that's the human version.
Well... after reading his site, I can't say he's that much of a moron. Unconventional beardist, for sure. Everything he says is pretty spot-on IMO, having a lot of personal experience in that area.
It really is the worst when shitbags like this take what could be a useful, healthy nugget of advice and paint over it with their antisocial garbage.
For all people, having a "mission" in life, finding a purpose, and having something to look forward to are all generally good things that are good for you.
Your mission that you look forward to does not need to be any specific thing that some scumbag who does not care about you prescribes.
For those of us who want families and have them, and considering that we are a social species, it also turns out that your partner, your kid(s), and your immediate environment that you can control (home) can be a pretty significant and rewarding part of your purpose each day!
It's just a part of how conservatives think that they can claim a monopoly on family values while actively destroying families left and right. Which in turn is part of their warped view of the world where to love X means hating that which is non-X.
I have the most traditional looking family you can imagine. It works great for us, and I say fuck messages like the one in the OP that say our individual paths to fulfillment must look alike.
Many of our paths DO look alike, because there are billions of us living in the same world, and that's why it's worth sharing anecdotes and advice while we shout down the "thou shalt" garbage.
Because women are not a homogenous group that all care about the same things, all share the same vision, and are all willing to destroy their lives and the lives of the men and boys they care about for a potential chance that maybe somehow sometime in some unspecified future things can get better.
What do you mean? Women regularly do this, they have women spaces for fitness, medicine, women homeless shelters. There are also women communities in several states, and an international movement for this. I won't link to western ones because of the danger it could bring them (too many violent men on Lemmy) but here's a modern one in Africa:
It's so fucking gross to see a radical Christianist take an idea that's fundamentally good - a loving spouse, a home of one's own, a future generation to inherit your good works and your hopes for a better world - and turn it into this degraded consumerist commodity.
Who wouldn't want to tear up a system that corrupts an idealized existence into a layer of hell, because he can't stand the idea of his partner enjoying any amount of autonomy?
How does he turn marriage into a commodity? It’s not like he’s running a tradwife store where you can just pick docile, fully trained housewife off the shelf, is he?
All he’s saying is that marriage and having children can provide the sort of structure and meaning in life that many people seem to be lacking these days.
It’s not like he’s running a tradwife store where you can just pick docile, fully trained housewife off the shelf, is he?
Not personally. But that's the model he's championing. Covenant Marriages, claw-back of parental rights, restrictions on travel, a reversion to the pre-1970s laws on restrictions against women owning property or accessing credit, repealing the 19th amendment, lowering the legal age of marriage, establishing fucking dowries for the woman's family paid out by the prospective husband... At the end of the day, this might be more comparable to Women as Real Estate than Women as Grocery Store Shelf Items. But it's absolutely commoditization of an entire gender of people.
All he’s saying is that marriage and having children can provide the sort of structure and meaning in life
But it's absolutely commoditization of an entire gender of people.
Did you miss the word “usually” in there? He’s not even claiming that ALL women need to get married and have children in order to achieve a sense of purpose or fulfillment in life.
130 Comments
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 87 pts · 1y
Segregation of labor really started just recently. Go back 10000 years and you’ll find a more even split of roles. 10000 years is fairly evolutionarily negligible- we’re largely the same, aside from some immunity quirks, homeostasis tweaks, gamete peculiarity, and cultural differences.
Pluck a baby from way back and raise it today and you’ll just be raising a pretty average immunocompromised baby.
All of that to say, “women should be in the kitchen for their own good” is unsupported by an even slightly broadened perspective. I’m pretty sure Vikings aren’t coming to rape and plunder your 200 person town, bud. Hiding your wife away is just abusive.
Squiddork@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 1y
Case in point, men and women are almost 50/50 in STEM careers around Eastern Europe due to the USSRs policies pushing more women into these careers.
People don't realise that these norms they hold as dogma are so short-lived and subject to change that opposition only shows them unable to comprehend history past their lived experience.
It's ashame they have to drag us down with them.
Saleh@feddit.org · 14 pts · 1y
While true, there is other issues with gender inequality in Eastern Europe like relatively higher domestic violence towards women and legislature to enable it in countries like Russia.
Inequality is a complex issue and needs to be looked at holistically. I have a feeling that often there is a focus on work and "career" although later seems to be mostly measured in some women who made it to C-levels. In that sense it remains an issue of women being supposed to "function" in a narrow line, rather than the system as a whole being questioned.
More women working full time is sold as a success of emancipation, despite it meaning more work overall for women who have children as some care work is difficult to delegate. At the same time it is a massive loss, that a lot of "life goals" like owning your own home require two full time income or just aren't reachable any more despite higher education levels.
When it comes to single parents, poverty becomes a strong problem and it helps enable abusive relationships as people are economically compelled to stay with an abusive partner. This issue moved on from the stay at home wives to women working full time too.
More income and less working hours are needed generally, and should help emancipation of women even more. In the eyes of capitalists that would be a grave "malfunction".
Norodix@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
I'm from eastern europe. This is bullshit.
Squiddork@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Shit dawg all you had to say is citation needed.
Thornton, A., 2019. Gender equality in STEM is possible
Norodix@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
around eastern europe -> contries in eastern europe that dont support this claim dont count obviously
due to ussr -> ussr not mentioned in citation
Anyway, this is a way too broad statistic that clumps together tons of fields which are actually pretty split. Basically statistics gerrymandering.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
I've seen some people talk about that as the harmful legacy of the USSR.
Mind you as a female engineer I agree with the communists about women.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 1y
During the golden age of the "American dream" where a man had a car, a house, and a family, didn't the housewives end up relying on all sorts of pills and shit to not go crazy stuck in the house all day?
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 1y
Pills, shopping, and racism. Historically, people have always numbed their minds to cope with the rapidly changing reality we live in, though largely with alcohol and funny plants.
FireRetardant@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
I must admit a cold beer and some funny plants do make me feel a little less distressed about the world being on fire.
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 1y
Plus soo many accidental male deaths. Such a darn shame.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1y
10000y is an incredibly long time if you believe the earth is only 2000 years old, or whatever these idiots believe.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 1y
If i go into the kitchen it tends to annoy the husband as i'm intruding upon his Golden Triangle.
Unless there's tea being made.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 42 pts · 1y
I think this dude might be confusing women with robots.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 1y
And maybe it's a good thing he's doing it...
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 1y
Husband, children and a home with a robot? But what use would there be for women then?
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Lol Malfunction?! wtf
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 42 pts · 1y
It’s crazy that people like this actually exist. Like don’t you have your own problems to solve? How do you even have time to pedal this sexist garbage.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
They are not humans, they are twitter users.
moseschrute@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1y
@grok what’s a Twitter?
zerofk@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 1y
It’s called Xitter now. Pronounced with a sh sound.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
Literally his career. His made himself into a walking billboard and solicits donations to sustain his habit of telling creeps what they want to hear.
Jhex@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
I did not want to believe you... but here we are https://www.noahrevoy.com/
I'll go throw up, wash up and hug my wife and daughter
skeezix@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Sad that Handmaid's Tale actually gives some people ideas
Heliumfart@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1y
Agree... But it's peddle
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 35 pts · 1y
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 1y
My goodness this is killing me for no good reason 😭
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 1y
Why is this man terrified of women? He talks about them like they’re Tasmanian devils
Taleya@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 1y
You always fear what you don't know
porksnort@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1y
That man ain’t seen pussy in so long, he would throw stones at one.
DivineDev@piefed.social · 31 pts · 1y
This is in contrast to men, who will bring about a utopia without hunger, homelessness, war and crime. Wait.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
See the men will bring a utopia of hunger, homelessness, war, and crime. And if you call it anything other than a utopia they'll act as though you're spitting on the very foundations of Omelas.
DivineDev@piefed.social · 2 pts · 1y
So you're saying we're living in Omelas but it's only a utopia for like 100 people and everyone else is the poor child? Feels way to accurate
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
No more like they act like we do
jupyter_rain@discuss.tchncs.de · 30 pts · 1y
Oh damn, thats why I always destroy one to two buildings or one piece of critical infrastructure on my way home!
burntbacon@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 1y
Jesus, matey, maybe start using the restrooms in the feds' buildings? Those are deserving of destruction!
Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca · 29 pts · 1y
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1y
Why would that be the only way?
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Because anything else will bring destruction in varying types and magnitudes, from "guess I didn't get to live a happy life" at 80+ to "these maniacs have devasted half the globe for hundreds of years" and more
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1y
I think we're going to destroy the globe even if we had total equality between sexes
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Oh no, we can't even exactly end life on the globe (but significantly fuck things up - yeah). And humanity going over this "man/woman is supposed to X/Y/Z" bullshit also means humanity being more mature. Question is, do we get there before some idiot does put everyone in the ground. Can't say I am sure we will
Coolbeanschilly@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Voluntary submission regardless of gender is fine, but the full freedom to make your choices including whether or not you submit is vital to avoiding a gender based class system which is innately destructive
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 1y
That's such a baller statement though. Guy is basically saying women will rule the world if not for the chains of the patriarchy to restrain them.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
I woukd rather nit have anything ruled, thanks.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 24 pts · 1y
...much like politicians these days!
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
And the wealthy
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
Ticket cl9sed. Reason: Working as intended, advertised.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 1y
Yeah honestly the civilization part is what gives people rights, without it we're just back to the days of unga bunga club your ideal mate over the head and hope they live to give birth.
bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 1y
not a woman but I want to partake in this event
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 1y
We can get you some low dose estrogen and they/them pronouns.
bluecat_OwO@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I am so masculine, I dont take no low dose. Get me the strongest thing you got
paperazzi@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1y
This man, and all men (yes, all) who hold this belief are actually weak men who are jealous and threatened by women. They need therapy to address the root cause of their toxic masculinity, not arbitrary power over half the population.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 1y
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1y
Cut it off at the source: childhood religious indoctrination.
TheThrillOfTime@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 1y
The gall of these guys to think women owe them civilization.
ChexMax@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Yeah and also the "civilization" women destroy is purely the put men first civilization - the only civilization they're interested in
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
Yeah. I mean we keep trying, but they, kostly men, and mkst consistently these exact men keep getting in the way.
To misattribute a quote to a much cooler misogynist: the creative urge is also a destructive urge.
Angelusz@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 1y
Being a woman is not a requirement to want to destroy much of current civilization.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 1y
"Malfunction" made me feel slightly sick. There's no shortage of misogynist rhetoric that paints women as animals, but this guy takes it a step further into reasoning about them like they're machines.
BlackRoseAmongThorns@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 1y
Taking "baby factory" to a whole new level, ew
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 16 pts · 1y
Restore the patriarchy?
I wasn't aware we drifted.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
In the USA women didn't have the right to vote until 1920, it was legal to discriminate against them in employment until 1964, that's what that guy wants us to return to.
andros_rex@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Women often couldn’t get credit cards or loans without a husband co-signing until 1974
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 1y
No, what ye wants is some handmaid's tale bullshit.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Corporate needs you to identify the difference between these two pictures.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 1y
Uh... There's a few?
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 1y
How do you even get such shit in your brain?
And more importantly... I get that younger this shit in your head, but that it actually leaves your mouth... WTF?
This guy should go in a ring with some of the women I know and after a round of ass whooping, I wonder how his opinions would be
BeefandSquints@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 1y
These are the type of people who have never met or spent time around women. They create a nemesis to avoid the fact that they're the actual problem with their life.
RBWells@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
I guess he would think they were malfunctioning?
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 1y
Pretty sure the patriarchy and toxic masculinity is precisely why young men are having a loneliness epidemic and some are even doing mass murders, no thanks, dipshit.
Egalitarianism is the future.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Ah, so, not so much.
Best we can do is 'blade runner 2049'.
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 1y
The mental image in my head is asking a lady the time and she turns and looks at you, opens her mouth to speak and black smoke starts billowing out and she starts shooting sparks at you.
It's easy to think that if half your population were eldritch horrors civilization would have a bit of trouble.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
You just described the happy place I go to every time someone tells me to smile.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
I practice the most unsettling smile i can, and do it in really jerky movements. Wheeze while i do. Talk on both the inhale and exhale while it's maintained.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Does that work? I've tried:
By far the most successful was when walking home with a bag of meal worms(for my pet tarantula,) I dumped them on his lap and ran away.
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1y
Sometimes if i nail the acting. Im pretty good at uncanny.
I always want to kick them in the balls and then smile genuinely, but only ever did that once.
You're my muse re:worms
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Nice. A kick to the balls is the only appropriate reaction if you don't have worms. And worms are cheap!
DakRalter@thelemmy.club · 14 pts · 1y
TIL I learnt that I am a destroyer of civilisations!
Unlimited powaaaaaaa!
danc4498@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 1y
Am I right???
xorollo@leminal.space · 3 pts · 1y
Toribor@corndog.social · 11 pts · 1y
Civilization isn't being very civilized these days so I'm cool with this.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1y
Very few people want a civilization that's just a big jail cell with different tiers of guards and inmates.
hOrni@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
I'm gonna guess that this dude is single.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1y
It's a very sad fact that many men do not like women, but are attracted to them anyway.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 1y
If I found the right person it seems he is married
https://www.noahrevoy.com/about
Soup@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1y
“I practice what I preach” read: “I found and am exploiting a vulnerable woman for my emotional and sexual needs.”
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 1y
I'm willing to believe there's women who want the sort of old fashioned patriarchal family dynamic
Spacehooks@reddthat.com · 5 pts · 1y
Talked about this with my coworker. Its basically military grunt I dont have to think mentality. Ill just do what (person with authority) tells me
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 1y
Yes, it was pretty cozy being a military grunt. Sucked when orders were poor but also very relaxing in the "not my problem I don't have to think" way
Soup@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
For sure, but considering all the women who’ve simply been manipulated and abused by men in their lives and aren’t at the point of getting out of it…
I mean, if you read this guy’s comment about women “malfunctioning” and “destroying civilizations” as anything but incredibly toxic I’m geuinely worried.
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 1y
I'm sure there's women who are fine with or even agree with that sort of toxic ideas, so it might not be a problem for them
DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 1y
Yes, but it's a careful what you wish for situation. A lot of influencers in the trad wife space have found that while preaching the optics of the lifestyle of "submitting to a man" is lucrative to a predominantly male audience, the reality is detestable. Some of them are fully trapped by their decisions and absolutely miserable while publicly performing a form of femininity which deprives them of autonomy.
Once women have been emancipated from having this be their only choice the only way to force that happen at scale is violence. It's not the first time this has happened. The black death decimating populations had women as business owners and guild members and fighting for that to stay a thing once the population rebounded. The witch trials rode on the backs of these same sentiments of women needing to be controlled and treated as broodmares and the mass executions of "bothersome" women forced generations into extremely narrow confines.
Progress can be undone. What keeps it from happening is understanding the horror of regression and the humanity of those effected.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1y
Fuck about at home while dumbass goes and plays capitalism? I can see the attraction. Wouldn't do it, but i can see those that would
RaivoKulli@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 1y
It could be pretty chill to just be at home doing shit while the partner works, but might get boring after a while
Shanmugha@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Me is with Vee
Soup@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
Ya know, after thousands of years of civilizations really being quite shit and watching people throwing armies at each other because of childish grudges and the like, largely while under a heavily patriarchal rule…my guy what the fuck are you talking about?
As a dude, and I do know that this is not a new take, we do not have a great track record of acting rationally while leading literally anything.
lost_faith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
and that is, traditionally, with a wife, kids, and a home
SunshineJogger@feddit.org · 8 pts · 1y
Yea, sounds like a good plan.
Can we men please join in? I feel dysfunctional enough for the purpose as is
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 1y
We should just let AI take over.
Just let it happen.
I'm not saying it'll be a good thing but it won't be this...
Dasus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
Those glorified answering machines just propagate what is in the zeitgeist, albeit saying it a bit nicer.
Stalinwolf@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 1y
Have you seen this rapist?
not_IO@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1y
TomMasz@piefed.social · 7 pts · 1y
Someone misses their mommy.
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Put them back in their place. Young men no longer want to contribute to society because it's all nonsense nowadays and would rather let it burn to the ground.
Randelung@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
Joke's on you, you're not getting a home, anyway.
lack@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
This is the guy who knows how to fix your marriage:
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 1y
Is that real? I've gotten good enough at massaging AI prompts to get such moronic images, but I don't know how to control certain aspects.
lack@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
As far as i can tell he's certified organic moronic https://www.noahrevoy.com/about
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
LOL thanks, I wouldn't have believed it. You know how in Nature animals advertise that they're bad news with various markings? I think that's the human version.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 1y
Well... after reading his site, I can't say he's that much of a moron. Unconventional beardist, for sure. Everything he says is pretty spot-on IMO, having a lot of personal experience in that area.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 1y
Man here, I hate men like this...
AnotherUsername@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1y
Don't worry there's women standing him and dissing men that I could do without too.
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1y
It really is the worst when shitbags like this take what could be a useful, healthy nugget of advice and paint over it with their antisocial garbage.
For all people, having a "mission" in life, finding a purpose, and having something to look forward to are all generally good things that are good for you.
Your mission that you look forward to does not need to be any specific thing that some scumbag who does not care about you prescribes.
For those of us who want families and have them, and considering that we are a social species, it also turns out that your partner, your kid(s), and your immediate environment that you can control (home) can be a pretty significant and rewarding part of your purpose each day!
It's just a part of how conservatives think that they can claim a monopoly on family values while actively destroying families left and right. Which in turn is part of their warped view of the world where to love X means hating that which is non-X.
I have the most traditional looking family you can imagine. It works great for us, and I say fuck messages like the one in the OP that say our individual paths to fulfillment must look alike.
Many of our paths DO look alike, because there are billions of us living in the same world, and that's why it's worth sharing anecdotes and advice while we shout down the "thou shalt" garbage.
Geodad@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1y
DarkDarkHouse@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 1y
Let's give new meaning to "witch hunt".
MyNamesTotallyRobert@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 1y
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 1y
Civilisation sounds Hella fragile and weak.
ThunderComplex@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 1y
I’m trying to come up with a witty reply, but my brain is stuck on trying to process what malfunction is supposed to mean.
plyth@feddit.org · -1 pts · 1y
Why don't some women do this and create their own civilisation? China has matriarchal tribes. With all the liberty, why isn't it attempted somewhere?
edit: added the some
Pelicanen@sopuli.xyz · 10 pts · 1y
Because women are not a homogenous group that all care about the same things, all share the same vision, and are all willing to destroy their lives and the lives of the men and boys they care about for a potential chance that maybe somehow sometime in some unspecified future things can get better.
plyth@feddit.org · 0 pts · 1y
Not all women have to, a fraction is enough, like not all men are pushing the patriarchy.
Ceedoestrees@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
It only takes one match to burn a house down.
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 1y
What do you mean? Women regularly do this, they have women spaces for fitness, medicine, women homeless shelters. There are also women communities in several states, and an international movement for this. I won't link to western ones because of the danger it could bring them (too many violent men on Lemmy) but here's a modern one in Africa:
https://www.theguardian.com/global-development/2015/aug/16/village-where-men-are-banned-womens-rights-kenya
So yeah, they have been. It does tend to get immediately attacked by men though (hence why I won't link any).
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1y
Have you seen the reaction to men being told not to comment in the women’s only instance? The problem isn’t what women are doing.
plyth@feddit.org · 0 pts · 1y
Have you seen the reaction of men to a bullet? The problem is also not what some men are doing.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
NoT ALl Men!
Get over it. Men are still the problem in this context, even if it’s not all of them.
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1y
Sure, but in the context of rebelling against the patriarchy, women shouldn't have to ask for their permission.
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Who the fuck is asking for permission?
plyth@feddit.org · 1 pts · 1y
If men are the problem then why not do something about it without asking?
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1y
Who’s asking?
seobacklinks@lemmings.world · -3 pts · 1y
seobacklinks@lemmings.world · -4 pts · 1y
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MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -5 pts · 1y
Weird flex if you ask me. Doesn’t that just prove the guy right?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 1y
It's so fucking gross to see a radical Christianist take an idea that's fundamentally good - a loving spouse, a home of one's own, a future generation to inherit your good works and your hopes for a better world - and turn it into this degraded consumerist commodity.
Who wouldn't want to tear up a system that corrupts an idealized existence into a layer of hell, because he can't stand the idea of his partner enjoying any amount of autonomy?
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -4 pts · 1y
How does he turn marriage into a commodity? It’s not like he’s running a tradwife store where you can just pick docile, fully trained housewife off the shelf, is he?
All he’s saying is that marriage and having children can provide the sort of structure and meaning in life that many people seem to be lacking these days.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1y
Not personally. But that's the model he's championing. Covenant Marriages, claw-back of parental rights, restrictions on travel, a reversion to the pre-1970s laws on restrictions against women owning property or accessing credit, repealing the 19th amendment, lowering the legal age of marriage, establishing fucking dowries for the woman's family paid out by the prospective husband... At the end of the day, this might be more comparable to Women as Real Estate than Women as Grocery Store Shelf Items. But it's absolutely commoditization of an entire gender of people.
That's not what he's saying at all.
MacNCheezus@lemmy.today · -2 pts · 1y
Did you miss the word “usually” in there? He’s not even claiming that ALL women need to get married and have children in order to achieve a sense of purpose or fulfillment in life.
To be fair though, the same is also true for men.