Came across a few posts saying he was a compelling debator.
Saw the post of him debating on school lunches. At one point, in response to being asked if he supports free school lunches, he calls the student stupid and says there is not a single child starving in America.
If this is what we consider compelling debate we're cooked.
Yep. And that's most of these right wing "debaters" do. They talk fast, with as much authority and confidence they can muster, try to make people feel stupid for not seeing the world the way they see it, and then moving on before they get called out for the bull shit they spew.
Laura apparently wants her supporters to end up like Charlie Kirk.
These arguments always remind me of this quote from The West Wing: "Education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes. We need gigantic revolutionary changes. Competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be getting six-figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge for its citizens, just like national defense. That's my position."
I remember Newsroom, and it was alright. Kind of mad they didn’t get to do a little more with it. Personally, I’ll probably watch Sports Night again, too.
Yeah, it was a pretty abrupt wrap up wasn’t it. It was there and then… gone. Be interesting to see how Sorkin handled the trump White House in that context but he’s probably been apoplectic through it all, also not sure how much he enjoys writing absurdist scenarios (even if they’re taken directly from real life)
look whats happening to teachers right now: getting fired for quesitoning Charlie kirk, and then theres the disrespect from students and parents forcing them to leave education forever. The pay is just adding insult to injury. I occasionally go on the r/teacher sub, and almost every post is they cant handle school anymore.
she did, once upon a time. everything i've seen lately looks like the work of one specific bad plastic surgeon i wish they'd name so everyone knows not to go there
i want to say so but that's just me being mean toward republicans. it also may be strategic. i have heard unsubstantiated rumors that a certain specific disfigured look gets you in krasnov's good graces and inner circle.
don't go to college, because if you don't, you'll definitely become a mouthpiece for fascists making millions of dollars until you're publicly assassinated because somebody got sick of your hateful shit and stopped you from spreading it
Why is the bottom tweet acting like Charlie Kirk was some paragon of intelligence? Ah yes, we must defend colleges because this random guy didn't go to one.
Also, aren't the students the ones funding colleges in the first place? What funding would be getting taken from them?
Conservatives think all colleges would have to shut their doors without government grants and program funding. They ignore the fact that many of the college systems are some of the most wealthy companies (because they ARE companies) in the nation
Which is also a travesty. But it insulates them from government somewhat.
Also: the government grants they got was for stuff like “trying to cure cancer” and “experimenting to figure out better battery chemistry”. You gotta be a fucking idiot to stop doing that because they aren’t deferential enough to you.
Yeah but the ivy leagues only use a fraction of their endowment to fund research and education. It’s why some have bend the knee for the Trumpanzee. They rather grovel to Trump for more money than to take money out of their hoard of cash.
I will give Hitler ONE credit that none of these wannabe fascist twats can claim - he fought in a war. That's about the only good thing I can say about the man. Oh, one more, he shot himself and effectively ended the German Nazi front in WW2.
What has ever happened to George to make him so fucking based. It's as if he was hit with the based stick at some point in his life or something like that.
His early childhood was spent imprisoned in an internment camp for Japanese Americans during WWII. There are probably other factors but seems like that would play a big part.
I mean, I know this wasn't Loomer's intention, but you don't have to go to college. It was forced on millenials and so many just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars and still ended up at a coffee shop. That's not to say we shouldn't have a well-educated population, it's just that college isn't the only way these days.
Now, for any engineering or similar education, college is a necessity.
Fucking hell this woman, a month ago she was saying he was a traitor and now he is a public hero? Every single day she lowers her humanity bar more to new depths I didn't know was possible. I am pretty convinced she is just trying to increase her visibility via rage baits.
Long term it's a failing strategy. You need an educated populous to keep a technological edge or you'll be surpassed. They are guaranteeing that China wins in the end.
And you just figured the goal out. Except that what they want is for everyone who doesn't go to college to end up in the army. And whatever the "elite" want, they're happy to throw away millions of lives to get.
It's still not a very good strategy long term though. They want comfortable lives and they won't get to have comfortable lives if their enemy is the one making all the innovations.
These people are motivated by greed and power more than critical thought though. One of them would have succeeded by now if not.
(I know it looks like Trump and such are succeeding right now, but I do think their foundation is showing some cracks.)
My view of their plan is pretty similar to what's been expressed here. In summary - they really think they can "breed out the weak" and vilify education to the point where they have a nation of semi-educated workers who will fill factories or pick up guns as needed. They'll lose some hundreds of thousands every year to preventable disease and hazards that we used to try to prevent, but they don't care because they will have let the educated generations die off, and the younger ones will be denied birth control and encouraged to pump out babies.
They will replace all the scientists and the educated folks who built everything we have with AI, and that's how we'll keep up with the rest of the nations.
It ain't going to work, mind you, but 100% that's where they are driving the bus. We're more likely to end up like Russia, where everything they build is synonymous with being absolute trash and the only thing we have giving us world power is legacy, size, and resources.
Most of the 1% aren't very smart, they're average just like the rest of America. They just lucked into being born with rich parents. They're just looking to make more money and aren't looking past that.
If EU can attract enough of the brain drain they suffered they will be ahead or at least on par with america eventually. I think people are still too complacent to leave USA as scientists. China is a little more questionable.
"Don't feed the trolls" sounds great in theory, and for your own personal sanity it makes sense. Unfortunately ignoring people like this doesn't make them go away though. Instead, the lack of any pushback to their vitriol and lies just pulls in even more people and makes their message stronger.
If you were in Nazi Germany, would you push back in a forum personally set up by Hilter to make you look like provocateur then cut you off? No. That would be stupid, and even worse, validates the platform with your presence.
Also "don't feed the trolls" was killed by 4chan's networked harrasment campaigns, and said 4channers wanted to reinterpret that saying as "leave the internet", "don't do the thing we harrassed you over", etc.
I think George Takei gets a pass. He's there as a warrior, buddy. (edit ok but not alex cole who is that guy lol, and I forgot that's George's bluesky account. I'll just shut up now. slinks away)
i'm gonna be honest, i give takei a pass because he's takei. we've all gotten to know him parasocially over the years. i can think of a hundred excuses for him, but honestly he just seems like a righteous dude. he doesn't need an excuse for where he chooses to online, as long as it's not stormfront or krasnovsocial he's cool.
Twitter is not a fair forum, it's an engagement -> profit engine. It does not show posts fairly. The entire premise of it being a tug of war between narratives like some free speech dream is a fat lie.
Even if 'this generation' were Mensa narrative makers, that'd feed the troll engine all the better, like how I've seen people say they stay on Reddit to 'fight back.' The only game to play is to the bottom. The only way out is not to play.
I dunno how to communicate that en masse, but we did it with cigarettes, so it's not impossible.
I mean, I think Twitter is more fragile than you think.
It doesn't have THAT many participants; statistically, normal people don't really use it. It's not that far from losing the public eye and being a self-indulgent (but not publicly influential) zoo kind of like 4chan is.
I think some are less explicitly optimized for political rage-bait though. Facebook is pretty bad, but things like say, Discord or Telegram (popular destinations) are awful in different ways.
Truth Social will always be niche. I know it's very 'year of linux' but I'm convinced Reddit is near its immolation stage. Lemmy and federated social media won't be 'influential' for a long time, they're in for the long run.
My favorite example is Tim Pool. Dumb ass dropped out of elementary school. It was a light-bulb moment for me and helped explain this dumbass backwards "logic"
he was originally in occupy wallstreet, couldnt grift on the left, but switched to the right the moment Putin started funding him and many other grifters.
conservative college too. i heard the way people like shapiro and kirk appears on college, is that a fan in the admin that allows them to speak there. thats how people got seinfeld and darthmouth or butke.(i dont think the whole admin approves, they only need one to do it.)
he washed out of college, and made money being a grifter of people stupider than he is, and on occaision doing Shapiro specials, of "gotcha moments on the left"
Hot take: random citizens should be awarded state-sponsored vacations to random countries every year.
"Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry, and narrow-mindedness, and many of our people need it sorely on these accounts. Broad, wholesome, charitable views of men and things cannot be acquired by vegetating in one little corner of the earth all one's lifetime."
I wouldn't want to subject the rest of the world to unwilling, closedminded Americans like that though. Americans are already well known to ignorant and obnoxious tourists. I'd say youd have to pay the locals if you want to do this and come out with balanced karma.
I semi-disagree. I think lack of exposure (or exposure to falsehoods and stereotypes) is behind the racism and bigotry of a great many people. If someone is 75 and has been a horrible bigot their entire life, it's going to take something massive to change that, sure. But if someone is 20 and raised by magas in a small wyoming town, learning all the stuff you don't learn from magas in a small wyoming town is likely to make a difference, IMO.
Speaking for myself, I can look at a bunch of areas where my biases were challenged effectively and continuously just by exposure to folks from whatever group I was biased about in the workplace or school.
I'm pretty sure that's the real reason why racists have always been so pro-segregation. It's pretty tough to convince your kid all the black folks are lazy and stupid if the smartest student is his class is a black kid or he's got a strong crush on that pretty black girl who sits by him in science lab, or his best friend at school is a black kid.
I had a relative spouting off on Facebook about how Kirk's death was [somehow] the fault of "liberal universities".
I wasn't involved in this "conversation" because I don't use Facebook and I try to avoid talking to idiots. But I was told that when questioned, they could not explain which universities are the "liberal" ones, which ones offer courses on how to perform assassinations as part of their curriculum, why the US isn't just running rampatant with would be assassins, or how they managed to arrive at their fucking stupid conclusion.
Holy non sequitur. That argument might make some sense if he was an engineer or something. You don't need any education to be a podcaster. Just start yapping.
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miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 111 pts · 330d
Charlie's only shot at college was to debate new adults with a decade worth of adulthood less than he. He debated with a 10 handicap.
Botzo@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 330d
Recent circumstances suggest he got one additional shot.
AtariDump@lemmy.world · 77 pts · 330d
miss_demeanour@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 330d
zing!
Almacca@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 330d
Funny how he'd never 'debate' actual educated adults.
Rhaedas@fedia.io · 15 pts · 330d
"debate"
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 330d
Came across a few posts saying he was a compelling debator.
Saw the post of him debating on school lunches. At one point, in response to being asked if he supports free school lunches, he calls the student stupid and says there is not a single child starving in America.
If this is what we consider compelling debate we're cooked.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 330d
He died doing what he loved, dodging questions.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 8 pts · 330d
I imagine the majority of his "compelling debator" façade came from careful editing of the videos
Ashenlux@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 330d
Yep. And that's most of these right wing "debaters" do. They talk fast, with as much authority and confidence they can muster, try to make people feel stupid for not seeing the world the way they see it, and then moving on before they get called out for the bull shit they spew.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
I've been seeing clips of Mehdi Hasan giving people a solid drubbing. Would've liked seeing him thrash Kirk as well.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 330d
and the jubilee channel stunt he did a while back too. 20"woke students" vs charlie kirk.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 69 pts · 330d
What do you mean Kirk didn't go to college? He was killed at one!
ChonkyOwlbear@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 330d
He didn't finish college but a college finished him!
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 330d
"In Soviet Amerika...". Yadda, yadda, yadda
arin@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 330d
Didn't he get shot in college?
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 330d
He only went for lunch
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 330d
Wasn't he also against free lunches?
Apparently the last one cost his life, which is far from free.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
And lies.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 330d
harmbugler@piefed.social · 41 pts · 330d
Laura apparently wants her supporters to end up like Charlie Kirk.
These arguments always remind me of this quote from The West Wing: "Education is the silver bullet. Education is everything. We don't need little changes. We need gigantic revolutionary changes. Competition for the best teachers should be fierce. They should be getting six-figure salaries. Schools should be incredibly expensive for government and absolutely free of charge for its citizens, just like national defense. That's my position."
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 6 pts · 330d
I should just spend the next 3-years watching that on repeat instead of the news.
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 330d
I did that 2016-2020. Unfortunately, it hasn’t aged very well.
fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 330d
How do you think I made it thru the first term.
Try The Newsroom too if you haven’t yet seen it. Another Sorkin gem.
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 2 pts · 329d
I remember Newsroom, and it was alright. Kind of mad they didn’t get to do a little more with it. Personally, I’ll probably watch Sports Night again, too.
fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Yeah, it was a pretty abrupt wrap up wasn’t it. It was there and then… gone. Be interesting to see how Sorkin handled the trump White House in that context but he’s probably been apoplectic through it all, also not sure how much he enjoys writing absurdist scenarios (even if they’re taken directly from real life)
fulcrummed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 330d
I just haven’t figured out how to do it yet.
Mallory swoons at Sam
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 329d
there was a bill to double educators salary in california. stalled in committee.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 329d
look whats happening to teachers right now: getting fired for quesitoning Charlie kirk, and then theres the disrespect from students and parents forcing them to leave education forever. The pay is just adding insult to injury. I occasionally go on the r/teacher sub, and almost every post is they cant handle school anymore.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 330d
The shooter was in trade school to be an electrician…
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 330d
And Loomer has a bachelor's in broadcast journalism, for what that's worth.
turdburglar@piefed.social · 5 pts · 330d
well she’s broadcasting something, that’s for sure.
ceph@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 330d
Laura Loomer is certifiably insane.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 330d
She looks so normal though, that's the trap.
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 330d
This is a perfect lie because no doctor will come out and say they worked on her.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 330d
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 330d
She's an entire season of Nip/Tuck.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Two seasons of Botched
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 330d
Temu Jigsaw does not look normal.
Something looks off about her even before she opens her mouth.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
she did, once upon a time. everything i've seen lately looks like the work of one specific bad plastic surgeon i wish they'd name so everyone knows not to go there
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 329d
There must also be a mental health issue here?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
i want to say so but that's just me being mean toward republicans. it also may be strategic. i have heard unsubstantiated rumors that a certain specific disfigured look gets you in krasnov's good graces and inner circle.
darcranium123@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Laura looney
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 330d
ah, yes, a shining example
don't go to college, because if you don't, you'll definitely become a mouthpiece for fascists making millions of dollars until you're publicly assassinated because somebody got sick of your hateful shit and stopped you from spreading it
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 330d
Technically, they were upset he wasn't hateful enough, iirc.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 12 pts · 330d
We don’t actually know yet. A lot of disinformation coming out.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 330d
the released messages to his roommate said something like he was tired of seeing his hate
chatokun@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 330d
Ahh. Gotcha.
dellish@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 329d
All while ignoring the fact Kirk was a nepo baby.
el_twitto@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 330d
...and look where he is now...
Chivera@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 330d
Yeah kids look what happens when you don't go to college lol
grimoire@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 330d
Why is the bottom tweet acting like Charlie Kirk was some paragon of intelligence? Ah yes, we must defend colleges because this random guy didn't go to one.
Also, aren't the students the ones funding colleges in the first place? What funding would be getting taken from them?
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 330d
Conservatives think all colleges would have to shut their doors without government grants and program funding. They ignore the fact that many of the college systems are some of the most wealthy companies (because they ARE companies) in the nation
vzqq@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 330d
Which is also a travesty. But it insulates them from government somewhat.
Also: the government grants they got was for stuff like “trying to cure cancer” and “experimenting to figure out better battery chemistry”. You gotta be a fucking idiot to stop doing that because they aren’t deferential enough to you.
_core@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 330d
There's something I gotta tell you, our Temu Hitler will do exactly that
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Yeah but the ivy leagues only use a fraction of their endowment to fund research and education. It’s why some have bend the knee for the Trumpanzee. They rather grovel to Trump for more money than to take money out of their hoard of cash.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
and they are pipeline to politicial positions, lawyers, and sustaining the pro-israeli agenda through "weapons and tech"
driving_crooner@lemmy.eco.br · 19 pts · 330d
Wasn't Kirk rejected for some fancy military academy? Bet he compared himself with Hitler.
unphazed@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 330d
I will give Hitler ONE credit that none of these wannabe fascist twats can claim - he fought in a war. That's about the only good thing I can say about the man. Oh, one more, he shot himself and effectively ended the German Nazi front in WW2.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 330d
He is with Hitler now 🤗 #blessed
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 330d
he washed out of community college.
Thorry@feddit.org · 18 pts · 330d
What has ever happened to George to make him so fucking based. It's as if he was hit with the based stick at some point in his life or something like that.
troybot@midwest.social · 26 pts · 330d
His early childhood was spent imprisoned in an internment camp for Japanese Americans during WWII. There are probably other factors but seems like that would play a big part.
SynonymousStoat@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 330d
If you don't already know, you should look at his life story, the man has lived through a lot in his life time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Takei
MelodiousFunk@slrpnk.net · 11 pts · 330d
Birth, probably.
victorz@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 330d
Education. Just like Neil deGrasse Tyson. Super based dude.
lemmyseikai@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 330d
Japanese internment.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 3 pts · 330d
Probably joining starfleet
dan69@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 330d
And look where that got him..
thermal_shock@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 330d
Lol I was about to say "do you want to be like Charlie Kirk?"
Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 330d
Need proof?
nonentity@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 330d
A healthy, well educated population which feels safe and secure is incompatible with, and toxic to, conservative and authoritarian ideologies.
They need you to be sick, stupid, and scared.
zd9@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 330d
I mean, I know this wasn't Loomer's intention, but you don't have to go to college. It was forced on millenials and so many just wasted hundreds of thousands of dollars and still ended up at a coffee shop. That's not to say we shouldn't have a well-educated population, it's just that college isn't the only way these days.
Now, for any engineering or similar education, college is a necessity.
L7HM77@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 330d
On a similar note, for others reading the thread. Keep learning, even if college isn't an option.
For the love of god, please don't leave yourselves uneducated. The world is a darker place now that libgen disappeared.
lack@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 330d
Here's my montage: Came from a super conservative catholic Republican family, grew up a republican twat kid. Went to college. Loathe Republicans now.
Chais@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 330d
Exactly what they're afraid of.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 330d
Indoctrination!
iAvicenna@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 329d
Fucking hell this woman, a month ago she was saying he was a traitor and now he is a public hero? Every single day she lowers her humanity bar more to new depths I didn't know was possible. I am pretty convinced she is just trying to increase her visibility via rage baits.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 329d
she has her marching orders from putin, her financier, much like most of the grifters right now.
tanisnikana@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 330d
Laura Loomer, you worthless hack, it says right on Charlie’s Wikipedia page that he dropped out.
olbaidiablo@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 330d
Long term it's a failing strategy. You need an educated populous to keep a technological edge or you'll be surpassed. They are guaranteeing that China wins in the end.
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 330d
And you just figured the goal out. Except that what they want is for everyone who doesn't go to college to end up in the army. And whatever the "elite" want, they're happy to throw away millions of lives to get.
echodot@feddit.uk · 4 pts · 330d
It's still not a very good strategy long term though. They want comfortable lives and they won't get to have comfortable lives if their enemy is the one making all the innovations.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 330d
These people are motivated by greed and power more than critical thought though. One of them would have succeeded by now if not.
(I know it looks like Trump and such are succeeding right now, but I do think their foundation is showing some cracks.)
My view of their plan is pretty similar to what's been expressed here. In summary - they really think they can "breed out the weak" and vilify education to the point where they have a nation of semi-educated workers who will fill factories or pick up guns as needed. They'll lose some hundreds of thousands every year to preventable disease and hazards that we used to try to prevent, but they don't care because they will have let the educated generations die off, and the younger ones will be denied birth control and encouraged to pump out babies.
They will replace all the scientists and the educated folks who built everything we have with AI, and that's how we'll keep up with the rest of the nations.
It ain't going to work, mind you, but 100% that's where they are driving the bus. We're more likely to end up like Russia, where everything they build is synonymous with being absolute trash and the only thing we have giving us world power is legacy, size, and resources.
_core@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 330d
Most of the 1% aren't very smart, they're average just like the rest of America. They just lucked into being born with rich parents. They're just looking to make more money and aren't looking past that.
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 330d
They are in end game mode. There's no long term for them, only gaining more power and wealth
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
If EU can attract enough of the brain drain they suffered they will be ahead or at least on par with america eventually. I think people are still too complacent to leave USA as scientists. China is a little more questionable.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 330d
I mean, no one educated should be on Twitter.
Seriously. Do people not understand 'don't feed the trolls'?
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 329d
"Don't feed the trolls" sounds great in theory, and for your own personal sanity it makes sense. Unfortunately ignoring people like this doesn't make them go away though. Instead, the lack of any pushback to their vitriol and lies just pulls in even more people and makes their message stronger.
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 329d
You can push back.
Just not on their turf.
If you were in Nazi Germany, would you push back in a forum personally set up by Hilter to make you look like provocateur then cut you off? No. That would be stupid, and even worse, validates the platform with your presence.
You go somewhere else. And bring people with you.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 329d
exactly,
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Also "don't feed the trolls" was killed by 4chan's networked harrasment campaigns, and said 4channers wanted to reinterpret that saying as "leave the internet", "don't do the thing we harrassed you over", etc.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 330d
I think George Takei gets a pass. He's there as a warrior, buddy. (edit ok but not alex cole who is that guy lol, and I forgot that's George's bluesky account. I'll just shut up now. slinks away)
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 329d
i'm gonna be honest, i give takei a pass because he's takei. we've all gotten to know him parasocially over the years. i can think of a hundred excuses for him, but honestly he just seems like a righteous dude. he doesn't need an excuse for where he chooses to online, as long as it's not stormfront or krasnovsocial he's cool.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 329d
Very good points!
ameancow@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 330d
THIS is the fallacy!
Twitter is not a fair forum, it's an engagement -> profit engine. It does not show posts fairly. The entire premise of it being a tug of war between narratives like some free speech dream is a fat lie.
Even if 'this generation' were Mensa narrative makers, that'd feed the troll engine all the better, like how I've seen people say they stay on Reddit to 'fight back.' The only game to play is to the bottom. The only way out is not to play.
I dunno how to communicate that en masse, but we did it with cigarettes, so it's not impossible.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 330d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
I mean, I think Twitter is more fragile than you think.
It doesn't have THAT many participants; statistically, normal people don't really use it. It's not that far from losing the public eye and being a self-indulgent (but not publicly influential) zoo kind of like 4chan is.
ameancow@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
brucethemoose@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
I think some are less explicitly optimized for political rage-bait though. Facebook is pretty bad, but things like say, Discord or Telegram (popular destinations) are awful in different ways.
Truth Social will always be niche. I know it's very 'year of linux' but I'm convinced Reddit is near its immolation stage. Lemmy and federated social media won't be 'influential' for a long time, they're in for the long run.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
thank you for seeing me
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 330d
Optional offense but I am not trying to end up like him...
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 329d
No but he did die at a University.
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 329d
He never wanted an education, but at least someone gave him a good shot at college.
M0oP0o@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 329d
Did not even have to take out a loan to attend.
9point6@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 330d
Learnin' leads to earnin'
And not a yearnin' for concernin' spurnin'
Harvey656@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 330d
Yeah! Charlie Kirk didn't go to college, and look how he turned out! Lol.
YurkshireLad@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 330d
Can someone ask her why she went to university if she wants to defund them and tell people not to go. Do as I say, not as I do?
TowardsTheFuture@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 330d
Just find a 50 year old man willing to groom you and you too don’t need college just like Charlie Kirk!
13igTyme@piefed.social · 8 pts · 330d
My favorite example is Tim Pool. Dumb ass dropped out of elementary school. It was a light-bulb moment for me and helped explain this dumbass backwards "logic"
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 2 pts · 330d
Is that a joke or can you actually drop out of elementary school in the US?
13igTyme@piefed.social · 4 pts · 330d
Sometimes kids get held back.
Other times the kid is so stupid with such incredibly stupid parents that it's just not worth the tax payer money spent on flavorless square pizza.
Yes Tim Pool dropped out at the age of 14. It's the reason why his arguments have the strength of wet toilet paper.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
he was originally in occupy wallstreet, couldnt grift on the left, but switched to the right the moment Putin started funding him and many other grifters.
CosmoNova@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 330d
So basically don‘t go to college, you‘ll get shot anyway? Is that the message they‘re trying to convey?
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 330d
And it got his ass shot. What line are you trying to draw here you insufferable disgrace of a fetid pancake?
theneverfox@pawb.social · 7 pts · 329d
Wasn't going to colleges his entire career?
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
conservative college too. i heard the way people like shapiro and kirk appears on college, is that a fan in the admin that allows them to speak there. thats how people got seinfeld and darthmouth or butke.(i dont think the whole admin approves, they only need one to do it.)
Embargo@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 330d
Is Charlie Kirk doing really well now?
smeenz@lemmy.nz · 6 pts · 330d
He's gone multiple days without posting a single racist comment.
Embargo@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 330d
That's amazing! We should congratulate him for making such a positive turn. ❤️
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 330d
Loomer has made an unreliable litmus test for success. Adolf Hitler didn't go to college either but you don't want to be like Hitler.
Jomega@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
Pretty sure she does.
hapablap@lemmy.sdf.org · 6 pts · 329d
I'm not sure I want to follow Charlie Kirk career path. It sort of seems like a dead-end.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 329d
he washed out of college, and made money being a grifter of people stupider than he is, and on occaision doing Shapiro specials, of "gotcha moments on the left"
bigfondue@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 330d
Sadly, all the education in the world can't expunge bigotry and racism from most people
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 330d
Hot take: random citizens should be awarded state-sponsored vacations to random countries every year.
— Mark Twain
shawn1122@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 330d
I wouldn't want to subject the rest of the world to unwilling, closedminded Americans like that though. Americans are already well known to ignorant and obnoxious tourists. I'd say youd have to pay the locals if you want to do this and come out with balanced karma.
RedGreenBlue@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 330d
But it will make them more resistant to it. It will make them mindful. It will make them resistant to bullshit and finally, good citizens.
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Have you seen how many Republicans went to law school? Education is ineffective in many people, it just makes them smarter asshats
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
dont forget some of them got into yale/harvard and then law the way of thier parents money, not but merit like regular plebs, aka nepotism.
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 330d
I semi-disagree. I think lack of exposure (or exposure to falsehoods and stereotypes) is behind the racism and bigotry of a great many people. If someone is 75 and has been a horrible bigot their entire life, it's going to take something massive to change that, sure. But if someone is 20 and raised by magas in a small wyoming town, learning all the stuff you don't learn from magas in a small wyoming town is likely to make a difference, IMO.
Speaking for myself, I can look at a bunch of areas where my biases were challenged effectively and continuously just by exposure to folks from whatever group I was biased about in the workplace or school.
I'm pretty sure that's the real reason why racists have always been so pro-segregation. It's pretty tough to convince your kid all the black folks are lazy and stupid if the smartest student is his class is a black kid or he's got a strong crush on that pretty black girl who sits by him in science lab, or his best friend at school is a black kid.
jubilationtcornpone@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 330d
I had a relative spouting off on Facebook about how Kirk's death was [somehow] the fault of "liberal universities".
I wasn't involved in this "conversation" because I don't use Facebook and I try to avoid talking to idiots. But I was told that when questioned, they could not explain which universities are the "liberal" ones, which ones offer courses on how to perform assassinations as part of their curriculum, why the US isn't just running rampatant with would be assassins, or how they managed to arrive at their fucking stupid conclusion.
ch00f@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 330d
pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 330d
As I understand it, Charlie went to a college at least once.
fort_burp@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 329d
Defund American universities? If tuition goes toward funding universities, does that mean.... naaaah that's socialism!
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 329d
they will fund conservative colleges solely.
answersplease77@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 329d
Laura Loomer is a paid AIPAC soulless ghoul
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 330d
You don’t need plastic surgery or Botox yet…
octopus_ink@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 330d
Ah careful with those assumptions buddy. There's folks who post here regularly who could be my grandkids, I'm pretty sure.
Matombo@feddit.org · 3 pts · 329d
Ah yes, the good old american Maoism.
Sprocketfree@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 330d
Pretty sure his last stop was a college
jason@discuss.online · 2 pts · 329d
Holy non sequitur. That argument might make some sense if he was an engineer or something. You don't need any education to be a podcaster. Just start yapping.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 330d
Your plastic surgeon did though you jigsaw looking freak
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 329d
shes only 32 too, and she looks almost like kimberly guilofoyle already.
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 330d
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 330d
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
NEITHER DO BACTERIA.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 327d
Jimmycrackcrack@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 329d
Didn't their hero Trump go to college? Also, SHE went to college, a couple of different ones.