But also, the correct answer is Devil's Due

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floo@retrolemmy.com · 22 pts · 352d (2 replies)
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abbadon420@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 352d (1 reply)

You clearly start with "The Cage"

floo@retrolemmy.com · 6 pts · 352d
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quediuspayu@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 352d (1 reply)

In my time we started most shows in the middle of whatever season was on when you stumbled them while flipping channels.

Quetzalcutlass@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 351d

But also shows were made for syndication, so most didn't have overarching plotlines and it didn't matter what order you watched them in. There might be one (heavily advertised) event a season that actually affected anything, and it'd be something like two characters getting married rather than something that fundamentally shook up the concept.

PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 352d (5 replies)

The only Star Trek media I’ve consumed are the new movies. Burn me at the stake trekkies.

ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 15 pts · 352d

Congratulations, you started with the action parody. Now go catch up on the classics.

Damage@feddit.it · 9 pts · 352d (3 replies)

You'll be tied to the deflector dish

NerdInSuspenders@leminal.space · 10 pts · 351d (2 replies)

This will either destroy them, or make them more powerful than we could possibly imagine.

Damage@feddit.it · 6 pts · 351d (1 reply)

They may become a technobabble deity

Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 351d

Riding Warp 10 all day long

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 16 pts · 352d (7 replies)

It's very obviously TNG. But after season 2.

Damage@feddit.it · 12 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Nah, start from the beginning. When I introduced my partner to star trek, she loved the first TNG seasons, despite recognizing that the latter are better

Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 351d

The first episode also introduces every character.

It would be a miss for new watchers to skip it, even if some of you don't like the episode.

The dish separation was what made me understand there was a lot more to Star Trek then I first thought and made me continue watching, even if it didn't happen again.

lukecooperatus@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 352d

A few of my very favorite episodes of Star Trek ever are in season 1, though. I wouldn't skip it entirely!

  • s01e11 Haven, because I love Lwaxana when she's being mischievous
  • s01e13 Datalore, for Spiner in his early glory
  • s01e18 Home Soil, for a decent "murder mystery"
  • s01e22 Symbiosis, seriously one of the best episodes of the whole show with a lesson on why the Prime Directive is important, plenty of Crusher vs Picard moral discussions, and an attempt at a sympathetic view on drug addiction (though a dated one now)
Cornelius_Wangenheim@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 351d
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logicbomb@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Even though I think DS9 is objectively better than TNG, I would still recommend TNG to get into it, as the more exploration focus should appeal to a wider audience.

lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 351d

Also you can appreciate DS9 better as a contrast to TNG

normalexit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 351d

Riker needs a beard!

thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 351d (5 replies)

Understood; starting with Picard and Discovery first!

lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 351d (4 replies)

Picard is easily the worst serious ever. And I don't mean it in the sense of "place to start" but in the sense of "worst serious period". Discovery is great tho.

rozodru@piefed.social · 10 pts · 351d

it's an odd series for sure. I did enjoy the last season purely for the Enterprise-D returning. But still it's weird how they kinda just tossed Wes aside as if he didn't exist because THIS Crusher son was "WAY more important". It's like hey Beverly, you have another kid. one who at this point is WAY more powerful than your hybrid Borg thingy Son.

thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 351d (1 reply)

As a non-Trekkie, I found it enjoyable enough.. ditto with Discovery (at least the first season).

I just picked those two because they were literally my introduction to Star Trek TV series, and I know both are quite divisive in the community…

lugal@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 351d

Funny, I liked the later seasons of Discovery much more when it grew its beard grew its dreadlocks.

Picard has it's moments but a ton of fan service that wouldn't work for non-Trekkie's I would assume but maybe that's why you didn't care about it and wasn't bothered. It's "let's take the heroes of these series and let them fight against these villains from these series and the storyline from there". Maybe it works even better if you're new to all of them.

I wouldn't even say it's bad but all the other series are better, so have fun discovering the other series 😉

boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 351d

I liked S1. I did not finish S2.

pedz@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Lost, confused, disturbed, unsettled, baffled and eve a bit turned on.

This could describe every decon scene in ENT.

FoxyFerengi@startrek.website · 7 pts · 352d

I loved when they got tired of putting the eye candy in those scenes and started throwing in random characters like Porthos.

Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 351d (4 replies)

What?

You just start at the beginning of one of the series.

If you like new stuff: Strange New Worlds

If you like animation: Lower Decks

If you enjoy older series: The Next Generation (+Deep Space9 + Voyager)

If you enjoy really old series: The Original Series

Kirk@startrek.website · 10 pts · 351d

What?

You just start at Star Trek The Animated Series

If you like new stuff: Star Trek The Animated Series

If you like animation: Star Trek The Animated Series

If you enjoy older series: Star Trek The Animated Series

If you enjoy really old series: Star Trek The Animated Series

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 351d (1 reply)

Yeah, I started with TNG a year or two ago. I’m now halfway through season 4 of Voyager, just from watching an episode every few days whenever I have time. Eventually I’ll move on to DS9, before digging into the movies (which I have simultaneously heard are incredible and hot garbage, depending on the individual user’s preferences) and the newer stuff.

JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 350d

The movies alternate between incredible and hot garbage, but all of them are worth watching.

stray@pawb.social · 3 pts · 351d

I only very casually like Star Trek and have never been confused when watching any series from the first episode.* I don't know about all these fancy new Treks, but TOS, TNG, and DS9 were intentionally designed to be picked up during any random episode because that was how TV worked at the time. If you found a show during its fifth episode, you had no means of going back to the first four unless you happened to know someone who recorded them on VHS.

Lower Decks was also completely enjoyable to me even though my knowledge of the franchise is limited.

* I think it was Discovery we tried watching somewhat recently (not 100% sure on the title) where I was confused from the first episode, but it was in a "What the fuck are these creative choices?" and "Do people like this?" way.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 352d

TOS - The Man Trap.

Naz@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 351d (3 replies)

Arguably starting with TNG's Encounter at Farpoint is a good place

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 350d

If you insist on watching TNG from the beginning, be warned the first two seasons are a bit rough and there's that one "Then we went to the black people planet and got blacked at" episode which even the cast of the show hates that episode.

friendlymessage@feddit.org · 3 pts · 350d (1 reply)

TNG first season? Eww

ballgoat@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 350d

It’s rough. When my wife set out to get me into Trek, she explained about TNG (and Voyager for that matter) taking a while to get going. That did help me get through until it got good.

glorkon@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 351d (4 replies)

The Star Trek universe is based on the premise that a peaceful, united mankind is acting as a benevolent, civilized partner and friend of all alien species.

But let's be honest, we all know we would behave like the aliens from Independence Day - mercilessly conquering and harvesting alien worlds and spreading destruction across the universe.

benfell@infosec.exchange · 6 pts · 351d (1 reply)

@glorkon @USSBurritoTruck

Star Trek also assumes a truly post-scarcity society in which capitalism plays, at most, a small part.

One of the problems we face in assessing human potential is that we pretty much only know of humans since the Neolithic, when authority and wealth became increasingly centralized. In the Star Trek universe, while authority remains hierarchical and highly centralized, economic inequality is somewhat diminished. These are different sets of social premises and the outcomes might vary.

glorkon@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 351d

Indeed, outcomes may vary. I remember growing up in West Berlin in the 1980s, surrounded by the GDR - a highly centralized and hierarchical society with diminished economic inequality. We frequently got time off school because the smog was so bad.

I'm very skeptical if a human society is possible which does not lead to over-exploitation of resources and recklessness towards discovered species on alien planets. I also doubt that the technology required for space travel could be developed in a sustainable manner in the first place.

I wouldn't rule out the possibility of a Star Trek type society which was somehow able find a solution for this problem, but I fear it's highly unlikely. Ultimately, we're selfish apes. That's why I find the Star Trek premise unrealistic.

mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 351d (1 reply)

But let's be honest, we all know we would behave like the aliens from Independence Day - mercilessly conquering and harvesting alien worlds and spreading destruction across the universe.

This would be true, except that Star Trek assumes a truly post-scarcity world where nobody needs to harvest alien worlds. Hell, the capitalists (Ferengi) are depicted as ruthless and conniving (oftentimes outright cartoonish) villains most of the time.

Zink@programming.dev · 2 pts · 350d

the capitalists (Ferengi) are depicted as ruthless and conniving (oftentimes outright cartoonish) villains

And once again, reality lets out a "here we go again" sigh and says "fine... hold my beer."

nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 352d

Start with TOS and if you find it too hard to watch start with TNG and if you find the first bit of TNG too hard to watch you can skip ahead of you really want to I guess, but I find it all worth watching.

MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website · 7 pts · 352d

Wow, Devils Due is like the second episode I watched (first was Silicon Avatar) and I remember enjoying the ending where Picard mimics all her tricks before telling her to fuck off.

In hindsight easily a notgreat episode, but I remember it fondly.

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 351d (3 replies)

The only right way to start is with TOS. And now get out of my grain silo, damn tribbles!

bier@feddit.nl · 5 pts · 351d (2 replies)

I started with voyager, was that wrong?

Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 351d

Yes. You're only a true fan, if you watched TOS when it first aired. *menacingly brandishes walking stick*

rozodru@piefed.social · 4 pts · 351d

what an odd place to start...I absolutely respect it!

PlexSheep@infosec.pub · 6 pts · 350d (2 replies)

I have never watched a single star trek thing and the only knowledge I have about it comes from you guy's memes

But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 350d

I never was into it, always a Star Wars kid. My gf dad had episodes of TAS going one day and I got sucked into it to my surprise, i didnt think I’d appreciate a show that I always saw as old and kinda cheesy. I watched a few more episodes and really liked it. He did me a big favour, told me even if I wasn’t going to watch it all at once, he said watch space seed the episode, then go watch the first two movies. What an epic, you get a great introduction to Star Trek and one of its greatest villains Khan.

After that I tired TNG but didnt like it, don’t like most Star Trek, I always go back to the original. I did watch discovery with my wife and it was ok, but strange new worlds is my second favourite now.

ballgoat@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 350d

You should check it out. Star Trek has some damn good media.

wetbeardhairs@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 351d

We're all getting the Star Trek experience of the early 21st century troubles.

Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 351d (1 reply)
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Kirk@startrek.website · 3 pts · 351d

I tried that and accidentally experienced Bij (it worked and now I love all the series).

AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 352d (7 replies)

i am a very late bloomer to ST. i watches TOS and loved it; i startrd up TNG about a month ago.

im in season 3 episode 4 and councillor troy hasnt died yet. i hate her with a fiery passion for ruining what seems to be a really good show. my friends have confirmed she doesnt die and told me to leave TNG behind and move on to DS9.

i guess i get DS9 tomorrow.

PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 352d (1 reply)

I’m going to be the serpent in the grass and say give Babylon 5 a go before DS9. The first season will feel slow because the show is structured like a novel; exposition, rising action, climax, falling action, conclusion. There are small things like newspaper headers that hint towards future developments, and every main character undergoes a major arc. I enjoy DS9, but it’s never felt as cohesive as B5 to me. You may throw your stones now.

primrosepathspeedrun@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 352d

B5 definitely best star trek. Ds9 or lower decks a close second.

blitzen@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 352d (3 replies)

It’s such a weird choice to put “ships councilor” on the bridge.

NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 352d

All the high-maintenance staff are on the bridge.

radix@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 352d

Someone had to protect Wesley from Picard.

AmazingAwesomator@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 351d

i can imagine the unimportant meetings that werent part of the show... you know like routine runs.

"i am captain jean luc picard of the USS Enterprise. to my right is my number one, commander riker. to my front left is my number two, lieutenant commander data... as opposed to this random lady sitting next to me who has nothing to do with leadership on the bridge."

[everyone glares at troy]

JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 350d

Her character does get a bit better in later seasons. She even starts wearing a real uniform.

SapphironZA@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 352d

My recommendation is to start with the second movie and make your way to first contact.

Then switch to voyager. If you reach the middle of it, there is no stopping you anymore.

Alternatively, you can switch to deep space 9 after the movies.

Ftumch@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 350d (1 reply)

The only way it's going to make sense is if you watch it in chronological order. So you have to start with Enterprise.

Zink@programming.dev · 7 pts · 350d

That sounds like a long road

getting from there to here.

irish_link@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 352d (5 replies)

This is incorrect.

If you are new at this point “Lower decks” is the right place to start.

After that you can go to any series, even if TNG is the right next step. You can pick anything.

Albbi@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 352d (1 reply)

Lower decks has soooo many references to the other series I feel like it would be a very confusing place to start.

Honytawk@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 351d

The references would be lost, but it is still very enjoyable new content for new watchers.

They can come back to Lower Decks after watching everything else to get the references.

evidences@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 352d (1 reply)

I think either Strange New Worlds or Lower Decks is a good starting point for someone new to Trek. I think I'd recommend SNW over Lower Decks though just because the number of references in Lower Decks to other Star Trek media is pretty high.

whats_all_this_then@programming.dev · 4 pts · 351d

The number of references and in jokes was what made me give SNW and eventually TNG a chance personally. I jist really wanted to know wtf was up with the Koala

nullpotential@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 352d

Ew.

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 351d (4 replies)

Yeah, but the answer is TNG, Season 3, Episode 2, The Ensigns of Command. That's about when they hit their stride. If you're very brave you could start with Season 2, Episode 9, The Measure of a Man, but that season is pretty hit or miss (if I remember right, the season finale was a clip show).

JackbyDev@programming.dev · 3 pts · 351d (3 replies)

Why not s3e1? I don't know anything about it but why skip that one?

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 350d (2 replies)

It's a Wesley episode.

JackbyDev@programming.dev · 2 pts · 350d (1 reply)

I don't know what that means.

pjwestin@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 349d

I envy you.

(He was an annoying self-insert character for young boys that was more prominent in the first two seasons. You migr know him from the, "Shut Up Wesley," meme. He was played by Will Whedon who, by all accounts, is a pretty chill dude).

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 351d (3 replies)

Start with Wrath of Kahn.

Sure. It's a sequel to a Franchise: The Movie. It is also a direct sequel to a random episode of the show. It is a self-contained story; I don't think it bothers to mention the events of The Motion Picture, it does a good job establishing the antagonist because this movie came out in 1982, it's entirely possible that even a Trek fan in the audience missed that one episode of a 20 year old TV show so there's a whole sequence where Kahn puts Chekov on his knees and recites "I am the very model of a vengeful space antagonist, I blame the death of my wife on the deeds of the protagonist. I quote from Melville's Moby Dick completely unironically. I grapple thee, I stab at thee, I spit to my last breath at thee."

Beyond beating the audience over the head with its literary references (to the point of showing a copy of Moby Dick and Tale of Two Cities on screen YOU FUCKING HACKS) it does a reasonable job of world building, and the rest of the franchise refers back to this movie a lot...to the point of remaking it twice.

It's a self contained plot that comes to an end...even though it has two direct sequels. Search for Spock is where we get fully formed modern Klingons complete with their language, and The Voyage Home is weird, but also kind of cool, and probably the most Star Trek of the TOS era movies...I also believe Voyage Home has the best soundtrack of a Trek film.

MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website · 3 pts · 351d (2 replies)

Yeah great suggestion, Wrath of Khan is an excellent entry point.

The enterprise being an underdog the entire time is a great showcase for the best of trek: the crew and the problem solving 👌

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 351d (1 reply)

fun fact: Undiscovered Country features the only instance of Kirk's Enterprise arriving to a battle in fighting trim amd ready for combat.

captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 351d

...And still gets its ass handed to it because they show up and are like "Well now what?" Because the Klingons are perfectly invisible.

HatchetHaro@pawb.social · 4 pts · 351d

no, the correct answer is star trek online, klingon empire gorn science captain.

StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 351d

Look I fell into the doctor who crowd years ago and it has been.... A ride. I always figured I'd get into trek when Ive got nothing left to lose

UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 351d (1 reply)

I guess I stumbled upon Star Trek on TV here and there, but I really started caring after watching the JJ Abram's trilogy. There is probably no worse point to enter, but I swear it has its moments

Kirk@startrek.website · 2 pts · 351d

Those movies are so forgettable to me, but I do frequently hear that they were a gateway drug for many people so they're ok with me!

Windex007@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 352d (1 reply)

If you're going to do a "courtroom" TNG episode, no way it's Devils Due... The Drumhead all day long.

TheFlopster@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 352d

Measure of a Man > The Drumhead > Devil's Due

oftheair@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 351d

The most wrong is Star Trek: Straight New Worlds.