The vast majority of students rely on laptops – and increasingly AI – to help with their university work. But a small number are going analogue and eschewing tech almost entirely in a bid to re-engage their brains
The vast majority of students rely on laptops – and increasingly AI – to help with their university work. But a small number are going analogue and eschewing tech almost entirely in a bid to re-engage their brains
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HailSeitan@lemmy.world · 162 pts · 321d
That’s not what being a Luddite means
mienshao@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 321d
What a pedantic (and incorrect) take. Luddite can absolutely mean a person who purposefully avoids technology.
I’m sure I’ll get downvoted, but words can have multiple meanings and take on new meanings over time. Luddite is one of them. This article used it properly.
And anyone who disagrees with me can kiss my linguistics-degree-holding ass.
KSPAtlas@sopuli.xyz · 9 pts · 321d
Yeah, there's this stereotype that professional/qualified linguistics are like super prescriptive but in reality most either don't give a shit or are interested in informal language
anzo@programming.dev · 5 pts · 320d
"Modern day" Luddite. It's not just using the word isolated! Tittle clearly mixes the meaning with the historical reference. Plus, the one being pedantic were you.. But thanks anyway for pointing out the word has two definitions.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 318d
Indeed
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 321d
What does it mean then?
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 62 pts · 321d
He doesn't seem very opposed to technology if he just goes straight home and doomscrolls
Are laptops really new technology to this kid if they've existed for his entire life?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 321d
$5 says it's the "what's a computer" kid from like a decade ago
"'laptop'? it's like a foldable but with half a screen??? and why is this keyboard broken, all the keys move?? how do I get an overwatch skin for it?? this is awful"
krull_krull@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 319d
I thought it was some kind of church denomination at first
Sxan@piefed.zip · -4 pts · 321d
It's important to recognize phrasing in þe definition. It's
not
People opposed to nuclear power are not Luddites. People who don't like computers are not Luddites. People who are opposed to a hypothetical cancer vaccine are not Luddites. People opposed to autonomous murder robots are not Luddites.
Refusing to use some specific new technology because you believe it's harmful (wheþer you're right or wrong) does not make a person a Luddite. Þe connotations of "Luddite" is a person who opposes broad swaths of technology, and it was originally because of economic concerns. Like, opposing all automated manufacturing, because it takes jobs away from people. Þat's literally where þe term came from.
Þese kids oppose a new technology, not all new technology, and not necessarily because fucking stupid, incompetent decision makers are replacing people wiþ LLMs, but because using LLMs has been shown - in studies - to make people more stupid.
Yeah: if you use LLMs, it's making you more stupid. You - you vibe coders. You're getting more stupid. You're not going to believe me, no matter how many studies I throw at you.
Þese kids are þe smart ones.
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 319d
Oh shit I remember making fun of you a long time ago for the pretentious use of thorns. Respect for using it for this long but like, is this some type of autistic hyper fixation? Why are you cosplaying a Jute
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 318d
I read somewhere it throws LLMs off, not sure if that's the reason.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 317d
I doubt it boþers LLMs parsing text; my hope is þat it'll poison þe trainers a little. Social media is a rich source of training material, and you can't fuck wiþ þe training data too much or you destroy its value.
Sxan@piefed.zip · -2 pts · 317d
Naw. I just started doing it when I created an account to try out Piefed. I don't do it in any of my oþer Fediverse accounts.
biofaust@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 321d
In your defense, the statement specifies "modern-day Luddite" which compares it to the historical Luddite bands and excludes the first meaning of the Oxford dictionary.
Also, avoiding is not the same as opposing.
ronigami@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 320d
Got a better word?
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 113 pts · 321d
Title is misleading:
The second sentence contradicts the first:
then
So basically he's not taking a laptop in to the lecture hall to take notes etc but is still using a computer to complete his work. Which makes sense as pen & paper in that environment is way more practical anyway.
Akuchimoya@startrek.website · 46 pts · 321d
All assignments are submitted electronically now, and if he's in philosophy, he will also have to follow formatting requirements like font, font size, margins, and spacing. Practically, he's doing as much as he is allowed off-computer.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 14 pts · 321d
They're still using computers to do their university work and submit it though. It's more about them not using a laptop in a lecture hall and using pen and paper instead. That's not really a big deal considering that's probably what most people were doing anyway up until relatively recently.
scathliath@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 320d
Honestly I used to do the same a decade ago in engineering before changing majors mainly cause my laptop was a fucking brick.
rustydrd@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 321d
Yeah, the way he does it is basically how everyone did it even 10 years ago. The tools were mostly the same then as they are now, with the exception of AI and the fact that handwriting wasn't as big a thing anymore when today's undergrads were in school. If you have a fluid and moderately quick handwriting, paper notes will typically be easier to take and more useful for revising the material later on.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 320d
Maybe he's lugging a massive typewriter around.
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 320d
I've got images of the lecturer giving him death stares every time he starts typing, filling the room with the cliter-clatter of the keys.
Kissaki@feddit.org · 3 pts · 320d
It's great because it's audible when the lecturer can continue or when not takers are still catching up.
baines@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 320d
that is hipster
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
mayb he takes notes with a quill and ink. Dab..dab..dab...
stoly@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 320d
Studies have also shown that taking notes by writing causes better learning outcomes compared to typing.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 320d
That's only true if you don't refer to your notes. Reviewing notes has a much stronger correlation to remembering than how those notes are generated.
oatscoop@midwest.social · 2 pts · 320d
I had a math teacher in highschool that allowed us make a "cheat sheet" during tests -- it had to be hand written on an index card. I discovered that if I actually made a "cheat sheet" I rarely needed to look at it. It's the same for hand-written lists when I'm shopping.
For a lot of people there's something about actually writing information down (by hand) the makes it "stick" better in memory.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 319d
And there are studies about just that. However, when you review your notes, it matters a lot less what method you used to create the notes.
If you're unlikely to actually study your notes, handwriting is better. If you're likely to study them, use whatever is most convenient for studying.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 320d
For rote memorization, sure.
I'm more talking about conceptual things, say, in math. You don't need to memorize it, but you do need to remember how it works. For that, I find the textbook to be the most helpful, and class time is to help understand the textbook. For that type of thing, I don't need to reference my notes in the future, I mostly need to pay attention in class and revisit the material again later to make sure I got it. Handwriting can help with that type of retention.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 319d
lordbritishbusiness@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 320d
Can confirm, switched away from laptop notes to incomprehensible-to-others fountain pen writing. Writing is the important part anyway.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
Naia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 320d
I have ADHD and didn't get diagnosed or medicated until after I was out of school.
I basically had two options: pay attention in class or attempt to take notes.
I had so many teachers in grade school complain I didn't take notes, or do homework but that was a different complaint. The issue was that when I took notes I would miss chunks of information as I was writing and my writing was basically illegible because I was trying to put it down fast. If I slowed down to make it neat I would miss even more information. So any notes I took would be next to useless and I wouldn't remember anything. And that's without even determining what I needed to write down.
Grade school was also slow passed and repetitive enough that most of the time I could sit and watch or doodle while listening and retain the information. Basically the only thing I struggled with was spelling because it was just rote memorization.
College was a bit harder in some cases beyond general ed, but for the classes I needed to study for I was able to re-watch the recorded lectures and take the time to write stuff out since I could rewind and pause.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
echodot@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 320d
I used to take my laptop into the lecture hall but I hardly ever actually used it.
sugar_in_your_tea@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 320d
Same. I mostly used it for homework between classes.
I found the most effective strategy for me was to do the reading before class, bring the book in to refer to, listen intently for things I didn't get from the book, and reread the section after class. If the professor specifically called out something to take notes on, I'd either do that on my phone or pull out my laptop (esp just before midterms or finals).
My handwriting is awful and I almost never refer to my notes anyway.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
Exactly how does he research his essays without internet access?
blackn1ght@feddit.uk · 3 pts · 320d
Well you see he's stopped using the internet for his university work. But he still uses the internet for research for his essays.
undefined@lemmy.hogru.ch · 63 pts · 321d
I absolutely love doing everything on the computer and can’t stand writing things by hand anymore. I’ve always learned simply by listening — instructors that force students to take notes were the worst because I would be too busy scrambling to write things down than actually listening and learning.
All of this goes out the window when it comes to foreign language though. I have to do everything old school: textbooks, pencil and paper, and if it’s a non-Latin character set I have to write the same characters over and over for hours.
bryndos@fedia.io · 17 pts · 321d
For me I always wrote as i listened, still do often. I rarely read the notes back.
'Revision' was just writing a whole new set of notes either from memory or from sources. Then, never reading that set of notes.
Massive waste of paper and ink, but it's part of how i pay attention. Most of my lecturers did provide printouts of all the slides, but I'd scribble all over them anyway.
Typing doesn't do the same thing at all for me.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 8 pts · 321d
I realized that when i tried to cheat on a test in school, that when i prepared a cheat sheet, i didn't actually need it afterwards - that only applies when writing the sheet by hand.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 321d
I always take notes, listening shmistening it's in one ear out the other, reading and writing helps me absorb information much easier, but I never did take notes when we were forced to use pen and paper, once we switched to laptops in high school, I could note down every word because typing is so much easier and faster.
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 320d
FlyingCircus@lemmy.world · 53 pts · 320d
I hate how the term Luddite has been co-opted as a blanket term for someone who rejects technology for any reason. The original Luddites were a labor movement who were angry that technology was taking people’s livelihoods while society was doing nothing to prevent those people from becoming destitute.
Kinda exactly how AI is going to fuck over a lot of people while primarily benefiting the rich people who own it.
L7HM77@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 320d
Was gonna bring up the same point about Luddites. They were absolutely pro-automation.
They saw greedy corporations using automation, and getting ready to fuck their society into the dirt, so they started petitioning their local governments, tried to negotiate and drew up the plans for a social security program ~150 years before one was actually implemented, smashed a bunch of expensive corporate equipment when the government wouldn't respond, then the government sided with corporate, used the military to drag all the men, women, and children into public squares and executed every last one of them. Even relatives and companions that weren't in the group and didn't participate. So thoroughly annihilated that it left an informational pinhole in the history books, and the name was co-opted into an insult. Now we're really not sure if John Ludd even existed, maybe the name was just a mythical legend already, and was used as a rally point to boost morale.
And here we are, barely 200 years in the future, about to repeat the fuzzy spots again and rediscover why we brought citrus fruits with us on the ships, with the general population completely oblivious to the brutality the owner class is ready and able to deploy.
What happens if the tech bros are right, and the machine doesn't need 9/10ths of the human population any more?
HertzDentalBar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 320d
creation7758@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 320d
Luddite is a derogatory term anyway. One might have legit reasons to be against personally using certain technologies
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 319d
Indeed. The Luddites the high-skilled technology workers of their time! And were the first bloody chapter of the labour movement, nearly erased from that history by their oppressors. "Blood in the machine" by Brian Merchant is a great history of this.
ratten@lemmings.world · 49 pts · 321d
Laptops are extremely useful. It really doesn't make sense to avoid them.
I pretty much treat mine as my second brain.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 321d
Just remember to back that shit up.
Nothing like forgetting your brain on public transport and getting instant amnesia for the past five years.
WhyJiffie@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 320d
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 318d
Ever read Stross's Accelerando? Not far off plot there.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Hmm. No, got to look into that. Thank you for the suggestion.
Dasus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
Oh it's available for free as well. Like on purpose.
Cheers. Read some plot overview or smth seems cool yeah got to read that/those
http://www.antipope.org/charlie/blog-static/fiction/accelerando/accelerando-intro.html
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 321d
eh. i prefer desktops. i see the use of laptops, but i prefer to use as little disposable tech as possible.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 320d
Maybe something like a Framework would be appropriate?
Lfrith@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 320d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 320d
it's closer to my wants, but basic spreadsheets are all my clients need right now and that really doesn't need any more processing power than a phone has. i plug a keyboard and a mouse in and i'm able to work off of there. if i really need to i can cast to a screen, even got a couple usb-C male to hdmi male cables.
i'm always going to need some kind of non-pocket computer, and the desktops are so much cheaper. and modifiable! my last one lived 16 years as the main PC. I tend to ship of theseus them.
Allero@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 320d
As someone who studied without laptop through an entire bachelor's degree - it is a valid option, and I still often make handwritten notes of study materials.
When you write things down by hand, you process information for longer and use more parts of your brain to do so, which genuinely helps to memorize study materials.
It also allows for more focus. Personally, I found that when I moved, eventually, to using laptop in my studies, it has reduced my attention span and added unnecessary distractions. When all you have at your fingertips is paper and a pen, there is nowhere to get astray.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 318d
Withering away your first brain in the process.
ratten@lemmings.world · 0 pts · 318d
Not really.
sharkfucker420@lemmy.ml · 41 pts · 321d
I do that but its actually because I just don't own a laptop and don't want to buy one
stiephelando@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 320d
I did that in uni, too. Everyone brought their laptops to the lectures while I took notes on paper. Writing by hand makes your brain absorb the information better I think
LongDickJonsson@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 320d
Not just what you think. Hand writing is scientifically better for memory retention and more https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC11943480/
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 320d
It's undeniably better for memorization. But I think it has diminishing returns for comprehension.
Perhaps it's just my learning style. I found paying full attention to lectures instead of splitting my attention between dictating and listening, allowed me to absorb more of the material than if I went back to look at notes.
Further, my career best final exam score was 99% on a biology final. I literally re-wrote my study notes out 7 times during the week prior. When I got the test back the following week I couldn't recall any of the information I had memorized.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 319d
You get the best of both worlds if you have a pad and just, kind of, "doodle" -draw pictures, write short sentences or words while primarily paying attention to the lecture. They help you process, and then place the content of the lecture when you do the reading or assigned work.
Subscript5676@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 320d
It does. I vastly prefer writing notes by hand than typing em. But my handwriting sucks when I have to write quickly, and I also don’t like lugging around giant stacks of paper. And so I settled on a digital writing pad, and just do the work to type my notes later. Acts as revision too.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 318d
Which hardware/OS?
Subscript5676@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 318d
Back in university, it was an iPad mini 5, using Notability. Notability has enshittified badly though.
These days (I’m no longer in university so I do write a lot less), I write on a Kobo.
0x0@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 318d
I thought kobo only had readers, TIL.
Akasazh@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 320d
Same for me. Also I sat in front, becouse in the back I would be disturbed by all the not-lecture related stuff people had open on their laptops.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 319d
Me too, but that's because my parents bought me a laptop with like a 19 inch screen thinking it would be helpful. That fucker was heavy.
Mistic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
It does, but in my experience, it's way worse for recollection.
Electronic devices are superior when it comes to storing and organizing data, which makes it a better tool if you prefer to use active recall as a memorisation method.
I had literal books worth of notes until switching to a tablet (a stylus keeps the benefits of writing, btw). And going over them when preparing for exams was an absolute nightmare.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 320d
Stillwater@sh.itjust.works · 31 pts · 321d
Good for these kids. It's a wise move!
shneancy@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 321d
i much prefered writing notes on paper but i'd cry if i had to write an essay by hand, i hope those students aren't torturing themselves this way
JollyG@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 321d
When I was in undergrad I had to write lots of essays by hand. I’d say about every other course in one of my majors had midterms and finals that were a single question essay to be completed in class during the testing period. I figured that was pretty typical.
Allero@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 320d
Every English class at my uni has huge, like 10-page essays (can you even call them essays at this point?) where we cover scientific developments in our field we discovered in that month.
Everything is handwritten because "there were students who used LLMs, and they need to be sure at least some effort is put into admission". Like, just to spite on LLM users and all of us just in case.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
o.o holy shit- i mean that's a valid move, using AI for a handwritten piece sounds like a pain in the ass, but so does just writing 10 pages by hand, AI or not!
i'm glad i got through my higher education marginally before the AI boom hit (i graduated 3 years ago). i only had Turnitin yell "PLAGIARISM???" at me when i used a common phrase that another student used at some point somewhere (think - "The research suggests...", or sometimes even the page numbers), good times good times
Allero@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 320d
LLM boom has certainly affected education - complicating things for honest students and at the same time empowering cheaters.
Having studied both pre- and post-boom, I can say the amount of times I was offered to use LLMs overall and ChatGPT/Gemini specifically to generate answers as a student has gone through the roof.
And as a soon-to-be educator (I currently pursue PhD and aspire to teach others), I collect ideas on how to combat it, as it tanks the quality of education so much it may as well be nonexistent. But in any case, students that genuinely complete their assignments should not be harshly affected.
shneancy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 320d
my best idea would be going old school with in person written & oral testing, since clearly nothing digital is of any help anymore. or perhaps require multiple digital WIP versions to be submitted? would also be getting the students into a good habit of making backups of their work. or maybe every essay should come with a director's commentary (a more loose style reflective essay on the research and work done)
Allero@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 320d
These are all good options! In person testing is certainly on my list, and I like the ideas with WIP versions (especially for larger submissions) and commentary.
I also think of more presentation format submissions where I could ask quick questions to see if the person actually understands what is written. Sort of a small defense.
On technical means, I welcome different forms of AI poisoning in tasks: these don't always work, but they can catch the least attentive.
floo@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 316d
floo@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 316d
floo@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 316d
ulterno@programming.dev · 19 pts · 320d
I really like being able to
Ctrl+Fthrough my book.But there just seems to be some kind of feel to flipping a page that makes me feel more focussed.
Tortellinius@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 320d
Engagement. I'm a teacher and using all of your senses to look for information makes you remember that said piece of information more.
It's funny, most studying comes down to that... And motivation, which is also something you have if you prefer books over laptop.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 320d
Your book does one single thing, you cannot be distracted by other functions.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Plus the tactile feel and responsiveness of a book us unmatched, it's lightweight and portable, you will never run out of battery, and flipping back and forth through pages is much more intuitive that jumping between bookmarks in pdfs and ebooks, the only thing that comes close is e ink readers but those have their own tradeoffs
ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 320d
That's only going to affect me if I am reading something particularly boring and don't really want to read it.
But if that were the case, I wouldn't be reading it in the first place.
I don't feel the need to rid myself of distractions, because when I am not in the mood to read a book, I don't read it.
Also, this "distracted by functionality" logic is what parents seem to use to get rid of stuff with a screen.
I can say for sure, that people being loud in another room is a much bigger distraction.
If your OS is distracting you, you have installed the wrong one.
ChaoticEntropy@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 320d
Okay.
MashedTech@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 320d
I think it's the mental work of "I don't have to do anything, it will find it for me" and "I have to find it myself" and I think it puts you in a state mentally and keeps you there. You don't have to disengage because there's something else doing the work.
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 320d
The trick is to buy dead tree and also download the same book from the usual online libraries.
mdhughes@lemmy.sdf.org · 17 pts · 320d
Went to school before the late '90s: Write everything in paper notebooks & exam books.
Went to school between late '90s-2020s: Tap it all into a computer. Learn nothing.
Went to school late 2020s on: Write in paper notebooks, in between scavenging the ruins for food.
mang0@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 321d
Not using a laptop because it can distract you is like shrinking your stomach because you can't stop eating. Oh, wait...
Nikls94@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 321d
Stop eating? As if I would grasp the concept of moderation.
ratten@lemmings.world · -3 pts · 321d
Restricting your diet and skipping meals is the best way to lose weight.
Akrenion@slrpnk.net · 6 pts · 321d
You can also overdo that. Stay healthy and don't stress your body too much. Slow and steady wins the race.
ShaggySnacks@lemmy.myserv.one · 1 pts · 321d
Higher grocery prices are great motivating factor to skip meals.
Rooty@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 320d
Is taking notes by hand really that exceptional? When I went to college ages ago I only typed essays on a desktop computer, studying was done with textbook + lecture notes, maaybe with a handful of online resources.
hedge_lord@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 320d
I can kind of see this right now. I'm in a first year course and almost everyone has a laptop in front of them. I'm in a fourth year course and most people use paper notes. It could be survivorship or a result of differences in the desks, or it could be generational.
Ostrichgrif@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 320d
I graduated college a few years back and can count on one hand (with fingers to spare) how many times I saw someone hand writing notes in class
electric@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 321d
This is just avoiding the issue of having a short attention span.
Reminds me a lot of fellow classmates at my college who I discovered hate online classes because they say they can't stay focused. So I don't know how these "luddite" students plan to not get distracted when their job will most likely involve sitting in front of a computer.
antonim@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 50 pts · 321d
I used to be easily distracted during online lectures yet had little difficulty following live lectures. It's a fundamentally different experience, for whatever reason.
Also, the attention span has to be trained. And training it by working without a distracting computer sounds like a good idea.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 321d
I had the opposite experience, in person lectures drove me crazy as an unmedicated adhder, I'd be constantly chiming in and answering every question, my legs would be going wild under the table and I'd usually be just doing something else most of the time on the laptop. Online is much much easier to listen to and get invested in at your own time and pace because you can be eating or vaping while watching at 3AM or whatever and nobody gives a fuck
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 321d
Doodle. I always doodled in my notes. Repeating patterns worked for me, because I am no artist.
I am still unmedicated, and method helped me a lot with lectures using pencil snd paper for notes.
Everyones different, I failed my online college courses. In person, I do alright. You may like online better.
But if you're forced to sit in lecture, fuckin doodle.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 321d
Nah, that shit woulda never helped me and I wouldn't even know where to start and I never have, we had laptops open on lectures so I just wrote small programs about whatever concepts the lecturer talked about but to sit in the same place for 2 hours it was borderline impossible.
After entering the workforce it was just pure torture sitting in the office waiting to die 8 hours a day, I went through like a full character arc from arrogant to humble to desperate to hate at others to hate at self to finally worldly and gradually radicalized against the onslaught of alienation.
I came back for my masters in 2020 and it was fairly sweet all online.
Thankfully now many years later I WFH. Uni is far behind. Haven't handwritten anything in years, I'm almost curious to try it
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 321d
That is exactly why I absolutely thrived in manufacturing. Well, the right type of manufacturing. I'd rather die than work in an office. I lasted exactly one month at my one and only desk job before I had to quit and find something different.
I don't write often anymore either, but recently tried to write a letter to someone, wow after a few sentences could I notice how out of practice I was. I 'jot things down' all the time, but a letter, paragraphs, whew.
I think it's tough, because many degree jobs are all desk jobs, so it's like, you want the degree and good money, but the work, doesn't sound fun. Im glad wfh has helped though, thats great
Maeve@kbin.earth · 22 pts · 321d
Attention span is cultivated, so is discipline. Reading about it is theory. Forcing oneself to do it, in increasingly sizable chunks, is praxis. I'm talking to myself here, too.
DJDarren@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 321d
And how do you improve your attention span? By not having distractions available to you.
LainTrain@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 321d
That sounds like he's just not going to be well adjusted for the modern world where distractions will always be available. You don't get over a love for a drug by making it unavailable, you get over it by having it everywhere, yet refusing it.
sensualsunset@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 321d
I really like this idea, but its difficult. when I used to attend uni it was more feasible but in 2025 all of my courses require online submissions, discussion, and materials. I can rent a laptop from the library, but only for 4 hours at a time. Of course there are desktops, but realistically if you want work from home you need a computer/tablet. That said I still just borrow my partners and haven't bothered to buy one.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 11 pts · 321d
i think its mostly AI that was the problem. we all used notebooks even last decade, you just cant concentrate with a laptop writing notes.
addie@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 321d
I got myself a remarkable after seeing a colleague use one and thinking they were cool. An astonishing price for what is essentially a kindle that you can write on, but that is essentially the entirety of its functionality right there. No web browser, no ebook integration, no keyboard, just a thing for scribbling notes with a big battery life. No distractions.
As such, it's completely ideal for my work diary, meeting notes, D'n'D notes, maps for games that I've been playing, random scribbles, all sorts. Quite a lot lighter than the thousands of sheets of paper that would be required otherwise. Also not as rude as popping open a laptop when you're meeting someone - they can see you're just making notes and writing to-dos.
frongt@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 321d
Speak for yourself, I've taken typed notes successfully just fine.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 320d
While browsing Insta and Tiktok on a cellphone in class. That word does not mean what you think it means.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 5 pts · 321d
Going to school with a book instead of a phone is way more enjoyable.
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 320d
Is now a good time to complain about that one guy who brings a $3000 gaming laptop to the computer science lectures because expensive stuff makes him a good programmer and proceeds to distract people accross the room by the sheer volume of his fan spinning?
Balldowern@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 320d
Don't complain about my Lenovo Jetpad. The jet engine helped me think by drowning out other sounds.
I'm deaf now, but that was a sacrifice.
finitebanjo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
I just have a hard time picturing things being so different from when I left academia only a couple of years ago. Everybody still had pen and paper notebooks
Harbinger01173430@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 320d
We must stop using devices that use Abominable Intelligence.
They will be our doom
Rcklsabndn@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 319d
I haven't been to school for a couple decades. Do they no longer teach how to take proper notes in your first year (paper or computer or otherwise)?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 319d
First year... In college? No, that's pre-requisite knowledge that they expect students to have from secondary school.
Integrate777@discuss.online · 1 pts · 320d
Let me guess. They don't use a laptop, but brag about it endlessly on tiktok with a holier-than-thou attitude? It's just content farming then.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 320d
Have you seen people on TikTok bragging about this or are you just coming up with hypotheticals for funsies?
Integrate777@discuss.online · 0 pts · 319d
There were trends to switch to dumbphones last year, retro media like vinyl, they always came with a wave of content. Pretty sure video essays about someone using a dumbphone while carrying a camera around town are just doing it for content. This one wouldn't be any different.
oatscoop@midwest.social · 2 pts · 320d
I did something insane: I actually read the article.
The students interviewed used pen and paper because they lack the tempting distractions a laptop/tablet/phone has. One states they feel they "use their brain more" when using a pen and paper. They also mention using a computer to write the final version of an essay for submission, but do most of the work on pen and paper first for the aforementioned reasons.
SlartyBartFast@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 321d
Good for them
Randomgal@lemmy.ca · -32 pts · 320d
Imagine choosing suffering voluntarily in 2025. What a privileged fuck.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 28 pts · 320d
I’m pretty sure that “not using a laptop is suffering” is actually the privileged take here.