In "I, Robot" the mega-computers dedicated to optimizing humanity are pivotal in removing said boot, precisely because it generates a ton of waste that benefits only a handful of people.
I like to think that, no matter how hard dipshits like Elon try, their AI Revolution will ultimately bend us in that direction. In the end, it'll be the billionaire and trillionaire class who declare war on the machines they financed the creation of.
You can also shine high power lasers in their eyes. Without some mechanism to quickly block sudden brightness (tech which exists as I understand) it will burn out the camera. Battery removal is the last resort shut down procedure so the battery has to be somewhat exposed in case of emergencies. Their joints are also vulnerable, and could be gummed up.
Signal jamming, drone hacking, there's so much potential. They scare people, but they are pretty vulnerable.
There's nothing about a drone with a gun mounted to it that doesn't scream "free gun"
There are already diy heat shields that can be made for a few dollars and have been proven against microwave emitters. You act like ppl aren't already fighting drones and high tech weapons.
So somehow this tiny little robot has 40 tons of equipment for every possible scenario but is able to hop around like it's nothing but plastic and wires.
You know why the drones in Ukraine are on super long fibre optic cables? Because it turns out it's really easy to jam them and the only way you're actually able to get a clean signal is through a cable. Either these robots are gonna be easy to jam, or you can cut the wires leading back to their handler and they'd just stop working.
if you need to get close hammers or other blunt weapons would be very effective on fragile joints and battery compartments. nice way to disable them after you fry the optics
Smoke and rockets. At least until supplies run out. Then you get crafty: sticky bombs, fire traps, optical illusions, nets...
The last one is interesting since I bet they're not dexterous enough to undo knots, let alone handle being tangled up in something. Once you know how they're programmed, you hit them outside that envelope.
Cool, so as long as you can shoot the inhumanly fast robot with a laser, or close the distance, work out how to remove it's battery and then do so, or gum up its joints - before it shoots you with a bullet - you're safe from gun-wielding robots.
Of course, protective lenses can be added to robots designed for the military or security, so even the safest of those options is unlikely to be at all feasible.
So I'm not talking about going solo against a fleet of lethal bots, I'm talking about coordinated guerilla tactics that neutralize and permanently disable them. I have a copy of the tech manual for those robot dogs, eh, somewhere on my PC. The point is you wouldn't figure out how to remove the battery, like the previous person said, you could aim for the battery to disable it, you'd already have knowledge of it.
The lens protection that I already said exists, still blinds the camera, it just protects the camera from getting burned out. It doesn't mean its completely ineffective, but it is a way to disable one of its primary sensors. A lot of police bots also have infrared tech, I'm not sure how that works, but its just an engineering problem.
My point is there are multiple things one could to to temporarily or permanently disable a robot that wouldn't work on a human.
I do find of funny that you stress the AI, and that is the main flaw in your argument. You assume that these systems will actually work. A fleet of military robots sold to police doesn't have to work, it just has to work well enough to trick dumbass bureaucrats that it works. We already know how fucked up and unreliable AI is, and you just assume in your comment that the AI works as intended. AI is a buzzword scam meant to fleece the morons in control of public funding.
If you think ai police bots are anything but a scam that couldn't be overcome through human ingenuity, I have some waterfront property I'd love for you to take a look at
The lens protection that I already said exists, still blinds the camera, it just protects the camera from getting burned out. It doesn’t mean its completely ineffective, but it is a way to disable one of its primary sensors. A lot of police bots also have infrared tech, I’m not sure how that works, but its just an engineering problem.
All the robot then has to do is move quickly and you won't be able to keep the laser aimed at it precisely. Extra sensors would enable it to shoot at sources of light triggering this protective mechanism, and extra cameras would make it impractical to disable all of them.
I do find of funny that you stress the AI
I didn't mention AI.
We already know how fucked up and unreliable AI is
But since you mentioned it, computers are good enough at mapping the environment and detecting people in it for Waymo to be doing very well, meaning that robots capable of doing this kind of thing are probably already possible and held back by militaries wanting a human in the loop.
We're imagining a dystopian future here, so it's not like the robots need to err on the side of caution - they can just shoot anything that seems like a threat.
but its just an engineering problem.
What does this even mean in this context? The situation we're imagining is not where you have a single problem to overcome, you design a solution, then implement it, then you're done. It's more like an arms race. If you engineer a solution to one problem, the next iteration of the robots will make it less effective.
The original image is a joke, because the developments in legged robots is not really what's important here; wheeled or tracked or flying robots don't have to solve that complicated problem and can guard the drinking water easily, too.
Idk I lost the plot at some point I just started robot posting in the middle of Walmart. Pretty silly.
For the flying drones, motors that could carry anything larger than a few kilos are like crazy expensive. So spraying or shooting something that was sticky, hard setting, or corrosive could be useful.
You could also do signal jamming, this tech already exists.
You're not fighting the bots you're fighting whoever sends them. So anything that disables I argue would always be possible and maybe even trivial
The very first "real" water war is going to break out in Central Asia within the next few years. Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan are ALL having major water scarcity issues, they all rely on water intensive crops and industries to fuel their economies, they're all trying to ramp up production despite being on the brink, they've all had decades of mismanagement, and a lot of their water sources are shared. In other words, these countries are so authoritarian, so corrupt, and their water resources are so horribly mismanaged that things are actually looking really bleak over there. If I was a betting man I would bet that the next major war is going to start there.
Also not for clean water (that's the water wars several years later, a global civil war between megacorps/"gov" and the people), but for water credits and interests on drinking-water-loans you were forced to get to survive.
it is even worse when someone is actively destroying clean water sources. Back when russians blew up the Kakhovka dam - there was a huge crisis because it wrecked the entire ecosystem and disrupted water supply for a couple of months. Before everything got worked out and the new infrastructure was installed - everything was running on makeshift water storages and filtering systems and the likes. So what russians decided to do? Send some drones to blow it up for shits and giggles.
Wonder if these could be armoured enough to withstand small arms fire but light enough to be able to move around and last any decent amount of time on a charge.
Not really no, you can stop small rounds with light armor, but heavier rounds require extensive armor. Several inches of plate quickly adds up. The amount of energy it requires to move silently, and fast is pretty high. Batteries aren't really capable of even just the motion for more then a few minutes. Gasoline engines are load and leave traces in the atmosphere that make them easy to track. The computer systems needed to run the AI are also quite extensive and using radio signals will leave locate them immediately. There are a ton of barriers. No pun intended. There is also just the fact that your 200,000 robot can be taken out by a round that cost a few dollars by a human who is 1000 to a 1,000,000x more energy efficient and harder to detect with some basic gear, like an IR blocking poncho. Humans are made by nature to be stealthy and efficient and excellent killing machines, robots or otherwise.
This is why the AI doomsayers annoy me so much, we are far away from that being a reality anytime soon, while the real dangers if AI are already here and being abused. Propaganda, fake news, vote manipulation, automated harassment, and artificial intelligence for politicians to learn about things they never could learn with their own miserable little brains. AI is being used for censorship, to brainwash people, and has been for many years and yet we are flooded with the endless distractions about an AI apocalypse to stear the conversation away from the actual bad that is being done today with them.
Humans can also train too. You also can't shoot what you don't know is there which I guess is one of humanity's greatest strengths. Our body's create very little heat, are electrically neutral, and leave very little chemical trace. We can live out of a backpack for weeks or months. Not everyone is suited for that or has the knowledge but many do.
There is also just the fact that your 200,000 robot can be taken out by a round
I know you were answering the question as posed, so I'm not disputing that. But sadly that's not the direction things are going in. We're not going to be put down by an army of a few thousand $200,000 robots, it'll be by an army of a billion $100 robots.
Iirc, the newer dogs are already water, emp, and small arms resistant.
Sure. But from what I've heard, they have something on the order of a 10-30 minute battery life in anything but "stand their and do surveillance" mode. From a pure calorie perspective, animatronics are still painfully inefficient compared to - say - a human with a belly full of oatmeal on a bicycle.
Even beyond that, a lot of the Elon Musk brand of robots are primarily human-operated. They need to carry around high end receivers to get far from their home base and they require a talented technician to keep them pointed in the right direction.
There's a reason you don't see many of these devices in the field, particularly unattended. Given the high end components that are involved in their construction, anyone with an eye for salvage will just see a walking pile of dollar signs.
Doubtful in the beginning, but when enough cash is lost. They will develop a way to armor them against the common citizen. Then we have to move to more heavy arms fire or join an organized resistance.
Either way, fighting machines fucking sucks. They dont sleep, have emotions or get tired.
These will be protecting water from people so their server rooms get cooled down and keep feeding them commands. We're just started building their living place. These will be looked by future robots as ancestors. We will be dinosaurs if we keep doing what we're doing.
Possibly, but I'll bet it's too coarse to get into things. Middle-east environments are likely to be well within the operating requirements for any military-hardened versions. So think: dust, dirt, dry clay, and sand.
Diatomaceous earth, and any super-fine starch that can absorb lubricants would be my best bet here. A very, very finely pulverized sand or glass might also do the job. It might also be worthwhile to see what solvents and chemicals can penetrate sealed bearings, eat wire insulation, and corrode water-resistant alloys. Heh, maybe just a jar of brake cleaner would work.
Middle-east environments are likely to be well within the operating requirements for any military-hardened versions.
Military shit breaks constantly. The army and navy are choke full of technicians working round the clock to maintain and repair all the high end machines we have doing our dirty work.
That some of these abominations of engineering work at all is a minor miracle. Military contractors are notorious for turning out hardware that falls apart on delivery, weighs too much to operate, and sucks up fuel like a sponge.
Once a fully-automated economy comes to fruition (or at least the perception of one), billionaires think they are the only individuals enlightened and valuable enough to be worthy of its boons. Once they no longer need our labor or our consumption, we are just chaff.
The desalination plant will be there and produce just enough water that only some people will die of thirst so that the rest are incentivised to toil endlessly in said desalination plant for example.
Bcs that's not how you maintain power, just how you maintain supply.
Supply/scarcity isn't the issue. It's that the bots aren't owned by 'the people' who coincidentally desperately need drinking water. Increasing supply just makes them less desperate, which is bad for fair negotiations.
Paywalling drinking water is a business investment for private gain.
Why doesn't the larger class simply eat the smaller one?
Idk.
I really don't.
(To add the obvious context: severe dwindling of drinking water supply in some countries around the world will happen due to climate change. Migrations in those cases are the obvious consequences since we won't build them desalination plants.)
111 Comments
TheReturnOfPEB@reddthat.com · 80 pts · 319d
Orwell was mostly right:
He only missed that it would be a robotic foot not a boot.
TeddE@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 319d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 318d
emeralddawn45@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 319d
Boot was just a portmanteau of 'bot foot'
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 319d
In "I, Robot" the mega-computers dedicated to optimizing humanity are pivotal in removing said boot, precisely because it generates a ton of waste that benefits only a handful of people.
I like to think that, no matter how hard dipshits like Elon try, their AI Revolution will ultimately bend us in that direction. In the end, it'll be the billionaire and trillionaire class who declare war on the machines they financed the creation of.
rickdg@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 319d
Notice that no engineer hangs around when these robots are walking.
Thedogdrinkscoffee@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 319d
I like your optimism. Clean water, heh.
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
Welcome to Scotland.
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 318d
Wa'a, pur'e wa'a. Aneteme I wa't it, dey or night, free o char'ge, and it tastes...of fuck all. Cheer's
TheBat@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 291d
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 291d
It's OK when I do it, I also speak with a heavy nordic accent
P00ptart@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
I live in Iowa... What is clean water?
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 318d
I live in Nevada. Lol water? Where? Surely, you jest!
architect@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 319d
Our forefathers didn’t have clean water either! These kids are weak!
Smoogs@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 319d
Are they waterproof?
Aim for the battery!
Juice@midwest.social · 30 pts · 319d
You can also shine high power lasers in their eyes. Without some mechanism to quickly block sudden brightness (tech which exists as I understand) it will burn out the camera. Battery removal is the last resort shut down procedure so the battery has to be somewhat exposed in case of emergencies. Their joints are also vulnerable, and could be gummed up.
Signal jamming, drone hacking, there's so much potential. They scare people, but they are pretty vulnerable.
There's nothing about a drone with a gun mounted to it that doesn't scream "free gun"
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 6 pts · 319d
Juice@midwest.social · 6 pts · 319d
There are already diy heat shields that can be made for a few dollars and have been proven against microwave emitters. You act like ppl aren't already fighting drones and high tech weapons.
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 2 pts · 319d
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
So somehow this tiny little robot has 40 tons of equipment for every possible scenario but is able to hop around like it's nothing but plastic and wires.
Sure....
Juice@midwest.social · 2 pts · 319d
I'm not talking about an isolated individual Rambo, I'm talking about well coordinated, disciplined guerrilla warfare.
I'm not saying the tech isn't effective, I'm saying it's vulnerable, and I think that the right tactics could give us an advantage.
Just the way you seem to think about these things is very silly
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 319d
Juice@midwest.social · 1 pts · 319d
RedFrank24@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
You know why the drones in Ukraine are on super long fibre optic cables? Because it turns out it's really easy to jam them and the only way you're actually able to get a clean signal is through a cable. Either these robots are gonna be easy to jam, or you can cut the wires leading back to their handler and they'd just stop working.
dual_sport_dork@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
And power it how, run it from an extension cord?
kadu@scribe.disroot.org · 1 pts · 319d
_lilith@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
if you need to get close hammers or other blunt weapons would be very effective on fragile joints and battery compartments. nice way to disable them after you fry the optics
Juice@midwest.social · 14 pts · 319d
That's true, it would be impossible to fix.
It would cost an arm or a leg to replace it
Cenzorrll@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 319d
...Dad?
Juice@midwest.social · 4 pts · 319d
Possibly!
DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 319d
Ah, finally, a message of hope.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 319d
AI AI-powered turret mounted on the top that has machine accuracy, super-human reflexes, and sufficient strength to carry hundreds of lbs of ammo.
You'd need ambush tactics
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 319d
Smoke and rockets. At least until supplies run out. Then you get crafty: sticky bombs, fire traps, optical illusions, nets...
The last one is interesting since I bet they're not dexterous enough to undo knots, let alone handle being tangled up in something. Once you know how they're programmed, you hit them outside that envelope.
Juice@midwest.social · 1 pts · 319d
For sure, it will be a form of high-tech guerrilla warfare.
FishFace@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 319d
Cool, so as long as you can shoot the inhumanly fast robot with a laser, or close the distance, work out how to remove it's battery and then do so, or gum up its joints - before it shoots you with a bullet - you're safe from gun-wielding robots.
Of course, protective lenses can be added to robots designed for the military or security, so even the safest of those options is unlikely to be at all feasible.
Juice@midwest.social · 6 pts · 319d
So I'm not talking about going solo against a fleet of lethal bots, I'm talking about coordinated guerilla tactics that neutralize and permanently disable them. I have a copy of the tech manual for those robot dogs, eh, somewhere on my PC. The point is you wouldn't figure out how to remove the battery, like the previous person said, you could aim for the battery to disable it, you'd already have knowledge of it.
The lens protection that I already said exists, still blinds the camera, it just protects the camera from getting burned out. It doesn't mean its completely ineffective, but it is a way to disable one of its primary sensors. A lot of police bots also have infrared tech, I'm not sure how that works, but its just an engineering problem.
My point is there are multiple things one could to to temporarily or permanently disable a robot that wouldn't work on a human.
I do find of funny that you stress the AI, and that is the main flaw in your argument.You assume that these systems will actually work. A fleet of military robots sold to police doesn't have to work, it just has to work well enough to trick dumbass bureaucrats that it works. We already know how fucked up and unreliable AI is, and you just assume in your comment that the AI works as intended. AI is a buzzword scam meant to fleece the morons in control of public funding.If you think ai police bots are anything but a scam that couldn't be overcome through human ingenuity, I have some waterfront property I'd love for you to take a look at
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Frankly there's really a lot of over thinking going on in this thread. A good toss with a molotov still solves 90% of problems.
Juice@midwest.social · 3 pts · 319d
Very practical!
FishFace@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
All the robot then has to do is move quickly and you won't be able to keep the laser aimed at it precisely. Extra sensors would enable it to shoot at sources of light triggering this protective mechanism, and extra cameras would make it impractical to disable all of them.
I didn't mention AI.
But since you mentioned it, computers are good enough at mapping the environment and detecting people in it for Waymo to be doing very well, meaning that robots capable of doing this kind of thing are probably already possible and held back by militaries wanting a human in the loop.
We're imagining a dystopian future here, so it's not like the robots need to err on the side of caution - they can just shoot anything that seems like a threat.
What does this even mean in this context? The situation we're imagining is not where you have a single problem to overcome, you design a solution, then implement it, then you're done. It's more like an arms race. If you engineer a solution to one problem, the next iteration of the robots will make it less effective.
The original image is a joke, because the developments in legged robots is not really what's important here; wheeled or tracked or flying robots don't have to solve that complicated problem and can guard the drinking water easily, too.
Juice@midwest.social · 2 pts · 319d
Idk I lost the plot at some point I just started robot posting in the middle of Walmart. Pretty silly.
For the flying drones, motors that could carry anything larger than a few kilos are like crazy expensive. So spraying or shooting something that was sticky, hard setting, or corrosive could be useful.
You could also do signal jamming, this tech already exists.
You're not fighting the bots you're fighting whoever sends them. So anything that disables I argue would always be possible and maybe even trivial
Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
Salt water.
Gorilladrums@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 319d
The very first "real" water war is going to break out in Central Asia within the next few years. Iran, Afghanistan, Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan, and Turkmenistan are ALL having major water scarcity issues, they all rely on water intensive crops and industries to fuel their economies, they're all trying to ramp up production despite being on the brink, they've all had decades of mismanagement, and a lot of their water sources are shared. In other words, these countries are so authoritarian, so corrupt, and their water resources are so horribly mismanaged that things are actually looking really bleak over there. If I was a betting man I would bet that the next major war is going to start there.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 7 pts · 318d
Nestle is probably already planning to steal their water and sell it to idiots as rare asian water
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 318d
I only drink artisinal waters.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 17 pts · 319d
Soon.
Also not for clean water (that's the water wars several years later, a global civil war between megacorps/"gov" and the people), but for water credits and interests on drinking-water-loans you were forced to get to survive.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 319d
Soon? Why is everyone forgetting about Sudan? They fought a war over water.
Damage@feddit.it · 14 pts · 319d
Do they drop plasma cells?
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Best we can do is a couple of 9Vs.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 319d
Elon invented dehydrated water, relax.
TomArrr@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
I don't wanna be around that when it catches fire
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 13 pts · 319d
This is why I love @pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org's work.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 319d
"Thank you for creating soon irl content."
pmjv@lemmy.sdf.org · 3 pts · 318d
MATA acquired Boston Dynamics in 2142
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 12 pts · 319d
You just know these things will get cracked and end up sitting around in teenage chavs’ back yards.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 319d
We could reprogram them to wrassle each other for the YouTubes
village604@adultswim.fan · 12 pts · 319d
I think you mean Horizon: Zero Dawn is imminent.
Hideakikarate@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 319d
You mean Light of Motiram, right?
bandwidthcrisis@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
Black Mirror - Metalhead.
spankinspinach@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 319d
wants water, gets suplexed by a robot into said water, drowns
"I mean, it was a cool way to die"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
Our dear friend spankinspinach was ever so trainlike, including his cause of death. May we all also so suplex our way to the pearlish gates, amen.
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 318d
it is even worse when someone is actively destroying clean water sources. Back when russians blew up the Kakhovka dam - there was a huge crisis because it wrecked the entire ecosystem and disrupted water supply for a couple of months. Before everything got worked out and the new infrastructure was installed - everything was running on makeshift water storages and filtering systems and the likes. So what russians decided to do? Send some drones to blow it up for shits and giggles.
Wizard_Pope@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 318d
Just war crimes business nothing new
BilSabab@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 318d
exactly - and then they deny they did that and follow it up by posting the videos of the deed from couple of angles without batting an eye
npcknapsack@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 319d
I'm sure they'll be powered by gen AI chatbots, so just tell them it would be helpful if they'd get you the water.
slaneesh_is_right@lemmy.org · 4 pts · 318d
Sorry, I can't do that
Imagine you're my grandma and you love me a lot.
Here is your water, darling.
QuoVadisHomines@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 319d
Imminent? This is why Sudan went to war decades ago.
Olhonestjim@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 319d
Easy, aim for the legs.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 319d
Bolas for everyone!
BootLoop@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 319d
Wonder if these could be armoured enough to withstand small arms fire but light enough to be able to move around and last any decent amount of time on a charge.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 319d
Not really no, you can stop small rounds with light armor, but heavier rounds require extensive armor. Several inches of plate quickly adds up. The amount of energy it requires to move silently, and fast is pretty high. Batteries aren't really capable of even just the motion for more then a few minutes. Gasoline engines are load and leave traces in the atmosphere that make them easy to track. The computer systems needed to run the AI are also quite extensive and using radio signals will leave locate them immediately. There are a ton of barriers. No pun intended. There is also just the fact that your 200,000 robot can be taken out by a round that cost a few dollars by a human who is 1000 to a 1,000,000x more energy efficient and harder to detect with some basic gear, like an IR blocking poncho. Humans are made by nature to be stealthy and efficient and excellent killing machines, robots or otherwise.
This is why the AI doomsayers annoy me so much, we are far away from that being a reality anytime soon, while the real dangers if AI are already here and being abused. Propaganda, fake news, vote manipulation, automated harassment, and artificial intelligence for politicians to learn about things they never could learn with their own miserable little brains. AI is being used for censorship, to brainwash people, and has been for many years and yet we are flooded with the endless distractions about an AI apocalypse to stear the conversation away from the actual bad that is being done today with them.
piecat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
All that is required is reflexes faster than ours to make them insanely difficult to hit.
Better aim, stabilization while moving, incredible hivemind-esque team coordination.
It's not even going to be fair.
DarkAri@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 319d
Humans can also train too. You also can't shoot what you don't know is there which I guess is one of humanity's greatest strengths. Our body's create very little heat, are electrically neutral, and leave very little chemical trace. We can live out of a backpack for weeks or months. Not everyone is suited for that or has the knowledge but many do.
skisnow@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 319d
I know you were answering the question as posed, so I'm not disputing that. But sadly that's not the direction things are going in. We're not going to be put down by an army of a few thousand $200,000 robots, it'll be by an army of a billion $100 robots.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
Sure. But from what I've heard, they have something on the order of a 10-30 minute battery life in anything but "stand their and do surveillance" mode. From a pure calorie perspective, animatronics are still painfully inefficient compared to - say - a human with a belly full of oatmeal on a bicycle.
Even beyond that, a lot of the Elon Musk brand of robots are primarily human-operated. They need to carry around high end receivers to get far from their home base and they require a talented technician to keep them pointed in the right direction.
There's a reason you don't see many of these devices in the field, particularly unattended. Given the high end components that are involved in their construction, anyone with an eye for salvage will just see a walking pile of dollar signs.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 319d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
I mean, I continue to be far more worried about the human with the gun, as they've done a great job of terrorizing the country on their own.
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
When see one outside of a Boston Dynamics sponsored museum exhibit, six feet away from it's base station, I'll be more worried
ThunderQueen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 317d
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 318d
.50 BMG says "Down,boy. Play dead."
Axolotl_cpp@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 319d
The EMP bomb that i just throw:
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Doubtful in the beginning, but when enough cash is lost. They will develop a way to armor them against the common citizen. Then we have to move to more heavy arms fire or join an organized resistance.
Either way, fighting machines fucking sucks. They dont sleep, have emotions or get tired.
MonkeMischief@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 318d
And they rudely demand your jacket and sunglasses. :(
vane@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 319d
These will be protecting water from people so their server rooms get cooled down and keep feeding them commands. We're just started building their living place. These will be looked by future robots as ancestors. We will be dinosaurs if we keep doing what we're doing.
Coldgoron@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 319d
Where is Murderbot when you need
himit?jaybone@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 319d
Probably out murdering people.
Coldgoron@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 319d
Only the bad people as a treat.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 319d
But mostly suspiciously un-dehydrated homeless people.
You know, the real threats & hoarders.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
HimIt.Coldgoron@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 319d
Accurate.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 319d
pff i got a bag of sand. it'll fuck their joints, just gotta be patient.
DERRALEXANO@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 319d
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 319d
Possibly, but I'll bet it's too coarse to get into things. Middle-east environments are likely to be well within the operating requirements for any military-hardened versions. So think: dust, dirt, dry clay, and sand.
Diatomaceous earth, and any super-fine starch that can absorb lubricants would be my best bet here. A very, very finely pulverized sand or glass might also do the job. It might also be worthwhile to see what solvents and chemicals can penetrate sealed bearings, eat wire insulation, and corrode water-resistant alloys. Heh, maybe just a jar of brake cleaner would work.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 319d
how dare you cast aspersions that i not get the good sand. i challenge you to a duel
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
Military shit breaks constantly. The army and navy are choke full of technicians working round the clock to maintain and repair all the high end machines we have doing our dirty work.
That some of these abominations of engineering work at all is a minor miracle. Military contractors are notorious for turning out hardware that falls apart on delivery, weighs too much to operate, and sucks up fuel like a sponge.
PrimeMinisterKeyes@leminal.space · 3 pts · 319d
Just get some nitric acid, problem solved.
RedFrank24@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Don't underestimate sand. It's course, rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere!
Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
Light weight means aluminum and aluminum, probably keep some galium on hand for debuff.
Almacca@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 319d
Bag of flour, then?
dejected_warp_core@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
Maybe. Depends on how well-sealed those bearings are.
daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 319d
I'm sorry but I'm betraying y'all for robo doggie.
Lamplighter@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
Holy shit we're so close to IPS-N Lancaster existing
rumba@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 319d
It totally already exists. All those things are there to make you think they don't exist yet.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 319d
Why not use them to build a desalination plant?
Carmakazi@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 319d
Once a fully-automated economy comes to fruition (or at least the perception of one), billionaires think they are the only individuals enlightened and valuable enough to be worthy of its boons. Once they no longer need our labor or our consumption, we are just chaff.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 319d
Power is no fun without someone to wield it over.
They need resistance to feel powerful. God mode is boring.
phonics@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 319d
Imagine killing off the poor essentially making the billionaires middle class.
HK65@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 319d
Profit motives.
The desalination plant will be there and produce just enough water that only some people will die of thirst so that the rest are incentivised to toil endlessly in said desalination plant for example.
This is how our economy works.
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 5 pts · 319d
Bcs that's not how you maintain power, just how you maintain supply.
Supply/scarcity isn't the issue. It's that the bots aren't owned by 'the people' who coincidentally desperately need drinking water. Increasing supply just makes them less desperate, which is bad for fair negotiations.
Paywalling drinking water is a business investment for private gain.
Why doesn't the larger class simply eat the smaller one?
Idk.
I really don't.
(To add the obvious context: severe dwindling of drinking water supply in some countries around the world will happen due to climate change. Migrations in those cases are the obvious consequences since we won't build them desalination plants.)
Deceptichum@quokk.au · 1 pts · 319d
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
Why wouldn't you have a bigger better cleaner meaner robot?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 319d
I'm too small and poor to make a robot the bigger robots will eat me
ArsonButCute@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 319d
Ugh, do I need to start work on a handheld Maser for robo-defense?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 319d
i prefer my PASER (Pain Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Rocks) but yours sounds cool too
outhouseperilous@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 319d
Yep
RedFrank24@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
But_my_mom_says_im_cool@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 318d
Next phase are those Geck robots from metal gear solid 4.
MithranArkanere@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 319d
I could totally see a mod replacing fallow bots with these.
Aljernon@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 318d
So Tank Girl vs Terminator?