When asked directly about the 22nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which prohibits any U.S. citizen from serving more than two terms as president, [Steve] Bannon pointed to how there are “many different alternatives” for Trump to stay in office, but did not provide specifics.
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xenomor@lemmy.world · 152 pts · 302d
I don’t know if this happens, or if it doesn’t. There should be zero tolerance for even joking about this. The only thing that I will assert is this: If this happens, and some combination of: another branch of government, state governments, the public, law enforcement, the military, and the media, don’t immediately halt everything and throw his as in out, then the United States is over. I don’t mean ‘over’as a descriptor for decline. I mean it’s just immediately done. There is no nation, there are no laws and we have no constitution. The entire project ceases to exist immediately.
Xanthobilly@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 302d
Psst… it’s already over, because that’s what Billionaires want.
z3rOR0ne@lemmy.ml · 32 pts · 302d
Lol, the vast majority of Americans will never tolerate Kings, and we mean it. We're willing to die to ensure it never happens here. I know you don't believe me, so I'll just say sit back and watch us torch our billionaire class and eat their flesh. You'd be surprised what Americans are willing to do to ensure No Kings. Its not just a protest slogan. We fucking mean it.
pHr34kY@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 302d
I'm in Australia. We have a king and it's no big deal. Thailand has a king and it's no big deal.
What you have on your hands is an imminient dictator. You don't want that.
5in1k@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 302d
No, I don’t want either. Call it a king, call it a dictator. They can both eat shit. Fuck your king, fuck Thailand’s king. Their continued existence is an affront to every human being that breathes.
CircaV@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 302d
You already have a king, so there is that! But yeah I’d love to see what you describe. But dude, he tore down the WH and it’s all crickets.
brown567@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 302d
To be fair, I really don't care about the White House in general
I despise its current tenant, and it sucks that the add-on is gonna be a tacky gilded ballroom, but I'd be fine if the building got blown up by a space laser
GiuseppeAndTheYeti@midwest.social · 3 pts · 302d
Fuck, it was burned down already. Twice.
Inaminate_Carbon_Rod@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
I really hope it’s true.
My gut doesn’t believe it is.
My heart still hopes.
leadore@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
True, we won't tolerate a king. OTOH, more than a third of us are more than happy to tolerate a dictator.
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
Sure pal, you're different from everyone else in the world, you are immune to fall under an authoritarian regime, sure. LoL
Dojan@pawb.social · 3 pts · 302d
That good old American exceptionalism.
I mean I’m rooting for them, absolutely. Based on the current track record though, it isn’t looking good.
Juice@midwest.social · 1 pts · 302d
Willing to die in a seated position doesn't cut it goofy
AlexanderTheDead@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 302d
you misread
stupidcasey@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
I agree with the sentiment but I don't think it is true the two term limit is a relatively new thing, Franklin Roosevelt had four separate elections and served until he died that was only in 1945, we have changed the constitution since then but I don't think it is fundamentally different from the majority of America, granted this was a war time president but I still don't think it is fundamentally different.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 123 pts · 302d
To the watchful observer it is very clear that there is a plan. Deploying troops to urban areas, buying a voting machine manufacturer, installing Project25-vetted admin workers everywhere, .... the list goes on. It does not take a genius to see the intent.
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 302d
Not to mention expanding the bunker at the WH. Dude knows he's absolutely going to try to stay President no matter what happens. Expect full Franco.
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
Can we lock the bunker from the outside and throw away the key?
Dojan@pawb.social · 5 pts · 302d
I’m sure you can buy cement at a building supply store. Bleach and ammonia should be available somewhere too, just find the bunker’s vent and get cleaning. They’ll really appreciate the nice clean air smell.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 17 pts · 302d
I think we need G.I. Robot in the whitehouse
Frostbeard@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
Watchfull?! Its blatantly obvious for even the blindest bat that they are not going to give up their front man who keeps the assholes behind the throne in power
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 62 pts · 302d
I don't think he will be cogent enough to not be shitting himself by 2028. Bannon et. al, keep acting like Trump is a fit, lean, 57 years old and not the fat, addled 79 year old following his own father into the sunset of dementia.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 302d
He's already shitting himself. The smell is apparently horrid.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 21 pts · 302d
I honestly doubt that Donnie has a single more year left, let alone that he'll sit out this term, let alone that he'll do another one.
But when the Cheeto is dead, shit is going to hit the fan
SippyCup@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 302d
Good time to sell raincoats
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 302d
Cognizance doesn't matter when they pin him being a religious figure.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 302d
The backup plan is A Weekend at Donnie's.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 302d
You joke but they have the AI tech for it
DBT@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 302d
He 100% doesn’t plan on leaving when his term is up. This stupid ass Epstein Ballroom that he’s having built (amongst other things) is proof of that.
g8phcon2@k.fe.derate.me · 44 pts · 302d
Unless he dies he'll be President in 2028, his current term isn't set to expire until 2029
Zaktor@sopuli.xyz · 35 pts · 302d
This feels like the sort of intentional ambiguity someone like Bannon would do to test float an idea. If people freak out he'll just point to the technical truth and if they don't he's taken a step to normalizing the dictatorship.
Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 302d
Idk, they make it abundantly clear in that interview that they are angling for a third term and skirting the 22nd amendment. He can blabber all he wants about technicalities but at the end of the day he explicitly states he'll have another term, shit he even said two if that's what they need to "finish what they started."
Just think about a 90 year old Donnie rolling around the oval office in a mech suit or something with his head in a glass jar Futurama style. We're gonna be so great...
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
Trump will be POTUS forever. The face generated by artificial intelligence as the spokesperson chosen to represent the interests of the oligarchs who actually rule, before the general public.
TownhouseGloryHole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
Just like when the La-li-lu-le-lo installed GW...
g8phcon2@k.fe.derate.me · 1 pts · 296d
@Mog_fanatic@lemmy.world the last time Bannon went on about in like January he was saying since the constitution doesn't say you can't be president a third time, just that you can't be elected to it (Like LBJ had initially entered the race for his third term before dropping out of the primaries, as his first term he wasn't elected to since he fulfilled the remainder of JFK's his assassination) Trump could be elected VP on a Vance/Trump (or anybody else who wants to get his name in the history book) and resign right after being inaugurated so Trump could complete the rest of the term.
@Sunflier@lemmy.world @Zaktor@sopuli.xyz
skibidi@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 302d
So the constitution doesn't actually prohibit anyone from serving more than 2 terms as president, it prohibits someone being elected to the office of president more than twice (or once if they assumed office for more than 2 years of someone else's term.
In 2029 Trump could be elected as speaker of the house and then Vance and Dr. Evil resign as POTUS and VP and bam, Trump round 3.
Trump could also be directly elected to the Vice Presidency, though the legal ground there is shakier given the 12th amendment.
Ultimately, SCOTUS would need to weigh in because there is enough ambiguity in the constitution to allow for just the scenarios above.
Good thing SCOTUS is chock full of no-nonsense nonpartisan jurists of the highest integrity.
elrik@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 302d
The 12th Amendment provides that “no person constitutionally ineligible to the office of President shall be eligible to that of Vice President.” As such, anyone barred by the 22nd Amendment from being elected president is also ineligible to serve as vice president, and so a twice-elected president cannot return to power through vice-presidential succession.
If a person is constitutionally “ineligible to the office of President,” they are also skipped over in the presidential line of succession under the Presidential Succession Act (3 U.S.C. §19), which prohibits anyone ineligible to serve as president from assuming the office.
The ghouls in power currently don't understand or don't care, and by the time this is tested, it will likely be rubber stamped by the supreme court. But, there's still value in understanding ahead of time that no, that is not a constitutionally valid approach.
Zink@programming.dev · 6 pts · 302d
"No it doesn't. Your statement is now literally incorrect."
skibidi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Not quite.. the constitutional requirements to be president are simple: Natural born citizen, 35+ years old, and US residency for at least 14 years.
It is an open legal question whether and how the 12th and 22nd interact to determine eligibility. The intent seems clear, but the language of the 22nd very plainly concerns only election to the office, not assumption of it.
elrik@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 302d
Calling it “an open legal question” implies meaningful doubt, but in reality, the text, intent, succession laws, and scholarly consensus have already answered this decisively. The only way this alternate interpretation prevails is a corrupt supreme court. Oh..wait. 🤣
skibidi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 301d
It's never been tested, so it is an open question. Not many people would be bold enough to try, and I don't think Trump actually will either, but eventually this will go to the Supreme court.
The main problem is, at the time the 22nd was written, there were plenty of cases of presidents who weren't elected to the office, so why would the text specify only the electoral pathway if it were meant to cover all possible pathways? Even in the most broad reading (no elected official can become president after having been elected president twice), there remain appointed positions within the line of succession - namely secretary of state - that would completely avoid the election clause.
I agree with you that the intent of the 22nd was to ensure a 2 term limit. Unfortunately the language is not that definitive and the current administration has little concern for following the unwritten rules.
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 301d
Like everything he's done every single day since inauguration
BigMacHole@sopuli.xyz · 26 pts · 302d
So? If the Founders COULD have Predicted Trump they WOULDNT have Written that Amendment!
-School Shooting Supporters!
Juice@midwest.social · 5 pts · 302d
The 22nd amendment ratified in 1951?
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
School shooting advocates aren't smart. That's why they are ok with school shootings. They don't go there anyway so it doesn't personally affect them.
ryokimball@infosec.pub · 26 pts · 303d
I mean, yeah. And he wasn't president in 2024. That's how election cycles work.
(Just pointing out the stupidity, obv the whole thing is batshit)
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 302d
The man is going to be in his mid 80s! Retire for the love of god! Go drink a mojito on the beach like a normal fucking person!
Mirshe@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 302d
He's a narcissist. Letting go of ANY shred of power is unimaginable, because he deserves EVERYTHING. Any scrap of power he has relinquished has been at legal gunpoint.
Tryenjer@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
Bannon seems swollen, age really doesn't forgive, fortunately.
cmbabul@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 302d
He’s a more problematic drinker than me, how is he still kicking
JigglySackles@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
Money.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 302d
Yes, of course he is (if he's still alive). His term doesn't end until Jan. 20th, 2029.
switcheroo@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 302d
Addled mushbrain probably won't be able to form actual sentences by that time. Not that he could do that before.
Education is important. And not doing drugs. And not being a worthless narcissist nepo who has never worked an honest day in his pathetic life. And not being stupid. And not being a thief, a pedo, and a rapist...
nao@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 302d
Not that any of that matters to his fan base
lennybird@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 302d
Bannon sieg heiled. Fuck em.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 302d
Tell me you don't understand how election/inauguration works without actually explicitly saying it…
MilitantAtheist@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
They understand, they just don't care.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 303d
No doubt he’s learned some tricks from Poot. Only question is whos going to be the US’ Medvedev.
800XL@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 302d
I think they mean Stephen Miller staying in office, not Trump.
peoplebeproblems@midwest.social · 17 pts · 302d
Of all the crazies in the upper echelon of the regime, he scares me the most.
He's absolutely psychotic, toxic, and unhinged, wrapped up into a person way too put together to know anything about hyper masculinity.
And the full military is in his control.
GladiusB@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
He is the Goebbels of this situation that's for sure.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
Bannon actually. But, he seems to be backed by the tRump 2028 hats.
merdaverse@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 302d
How to make fascism even worse: mix it with a religious cult
fnrir@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 301d
BrotherL0v3@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 303d
That shitty old bitch is barely lucid. The reaper is laughing at this "plan".
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
He's a puppet.
Xaphanos@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 302d
I've been saying this for a while. It seems super obvious.
marine_mustang@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 302d
I mean, it’s not hard. Vance (or whoever) runs as President, Trump in the VP slot, then if they win, whoever it is resigns. That’s literally all it takes.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 19 pts · 302d
You have to be eligible for president to be vice president, for obvious reasons. Sane states won’t allow him on the ballot.
Question is, are there enough insane states to let him win?
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 302d
Yes
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 302d
It might be good to start compiling lists of states and where they stand and making plans to force those that can be influenced to make the right decisions. I hope the dems are thinking about this but I don’t have much faith.
ReallyActuallyFrankenstein@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 302d
Yes, our elected democrats are incredible at planning ahe-
[ReallyActuallyFrankenstein died of sarcasm.]
null_dot@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 302d
Exactly, there's no mystery. This is the plan.
aarRJaay@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 302d
Rename it Supreme Leader If The American people and have no rules on how long he can be there.
Or change his name and SSN
figjam@midwest.social · 6 pts · 302d
The Plan: Weekend at Bernie's
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 302d
That guy might croak, such clowns these people.
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 302d
Death is inevitable even for the most hate fuelled of pieces of shit like him.
Which, for me, will be there best day in a long time. The bit that really fucks me off is that he'll not die in prison, like he deserves.
Furthermore, because of the spineless wankers in his opposing power, even if the us population manage to get the obese imbecile out of office he'll still not feel any consequences for his crimes and actions.
I'm not american, nor want to be or ever wanted to be. Hell, it's been off my holiday list for about 15 years, and I'm absolutely furious about him just getting his way all the fucking time. I just don't know how you -intelligent and not corrupted- americans can stand it.
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 302d
A nation overflowing with firearms and angry people disagree.
Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
Knowing him it’s just concepts of a plan 😂
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 301d
An orange vegetable for 2028? Imagine the debates.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 302d
Fuck that website. And fuck Trump. I really hope he FAFOs
Zink@programming.dev · 4 pts · 302d
They have a plan?
Holy shit you guys, these ghouls aren't lizard people! They are god damned cylons!
aubeynarf@lemmynsfw.com · 4 pts · 302d
BeMoreCareful@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 302d
It'd be hilarious if he's just following grok prompts as his mind has gone
frankiehollywood@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 302d
Well then let’s bring back BIll…..
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 302d
Does Bannon actually have any inside information though? I feel like he was sidelined a long time ago.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
Maybe the tRump 2028 hats show a spark of truth?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 302d
I’m not saying it isn’t happening but that does Bannon actually know anything we don’t? I’m not convinced.
wavebeam@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 301d
cycadophyta@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 302d
OmegaMan@lemmings.world · 1 pts · 300d
Of course he will? New president isn't sworn in until 2029.
LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 301d
Well if Biden could simultaneously be president and corpse-in-chief, no reason why trump couldn't do it too. Notwithstanding he has no concept of term limits & post-mortem limitations.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · -3 pts · 302d
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 12 pts · 302d
A dictatorship is pretty much the polar opposite of anarchy.
belastend@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 302d
Do not slander the good name of anarchy.