Meta denies torrenting porn to train AI, says downloads were for “personal use”

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2025/10/meta-says-porn-downloads-on-its-ips-were-for-personal-use-not-ai-training/

cross-posted from: https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/33724346

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Apeman42@lemmy.world · 197 pts · 298d (5 replies)

Zuck's just an omega-level gooner, swearsies!

markz@suppo.fi · 93 pts · 298d (2 replies)

Why do you think Facebook exists?

Mac@mander.xyz · 23 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Basically its inception tbh

OpenStars@piefed.social · 4 pts · 298d

Incestion?

Tm12@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Omegle gooner? I’d believe it.

ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 298d

Groomer

Asafum@feddit.nl · 98 pts · 298d (4 replies)

"So just to get this straight, you're saying you have downloaded 152 .... zettabytes .... of porn for your own personal use?"

FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 298d (1 reply)

"....Zetabaytes? no. it was yottabytes"

Tronn4@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d

Thats BabyGroku-bytes

Part4@infosec.pub · 8 pts · 298d
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Taleya@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 298d

rookie numbers for a bunch of 20 something programmers tbh

MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 92 pts · 298d (8 replies)

Where did they get the idea that that's a more respectable response?

EDIT: Doesn't/shouldn't work for their liability either. Vocabulary fail on my part.

markz@suppo.fi · 94 pts · 298d (2 replies)

Dignity doesn't matter if it wins the case.

Welcome to Zucc's Fucc & Succ

Tm12@lemmy.ca · 32 pts · 298d

Zuck’s Fuck and Suck sounds like his product’s effects on society.

too_high_for_this@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 298d

We're Sneed's Feed & Seed now, please get it right

FishFace@piefed.social · 19 pts · 298d (3 replies)

They didn't claim it was respectable, they claimed it made them not liable? Where'd you get this idea?

MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 298d (2 replies)

Doesn't/shouldn't work for their liability either. Vocabulary fail on my part.

FishFace@piefed.social · 2 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Why should a company be legally responsible for copyright infringement of its employees, if it wasn't something they did for work?

MachineFab812@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 298d

If you or I can be held responsible for such activities from our homes, why give google an exemption?

It would depend on jurisdiction of course, many of us live places that will give us(with help of a lawyer...) a bit of an out for guest wifi or TOR exit nodes, but ultimately, you know google is going to settle for little more(or less) than it would have cost them to buy these works at retail, whereas you or I would also get slapped with thousands of dollars extra(per item?) in fines and legal fees.

They can afford to pay for the porn, but they chose to go the "we shouldn't have to because its smut" route, and not bother trying to say their employees are responsible for downloading random books/movies/whatever for personal use. Do they get to use this out for CP?

Also, unlike you or I, they have logging in place, such that they know which employees did what. Not saying they should name-and-shame, but they could(and should) easilly eat the cost and pass it through to those employees, whether it also comes with HR disciplinary action ornot.

explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 298d

I think it's more respectable to provide unfiltered internet than it is to profit off someone else's work without paying them.

besselj@lemmy.ca · 75 pts · 298d (8 replies)

Did anyone check on the Meta engineers in the goon cave?

NateNate60@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 298d (2 replies)

I would not be surprised if Meta advertised such a thing to prospective employees as a legitimate benefit of the job. A built-in VR goon cave with 30 TB of material available. Limit 1 hour per person, bookings required 6 months in advance. Sessions subject to monitoring for security and training purposes. May contain trace amounts of Zuck.

auraithx@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 298d

Wouldn’t need any material. Hooks up to your fb and you can pick which of your pals to hook up to the milking table.

FishFace@piefed.social · 9 pts · 298d

Then you should be less credulous. What is told to prospective employees is effectively public information.

Witchfire@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 298d (1 reply)

I can only imagine the smell of dried cum and server stacks in an enclosed space

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d

Nah, Zuck doesn't let a drop go to waste.

Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 6 pts · 298d

The Matagoon cave sounds like something from the Unix Surrealism universe.

JustJack23@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 298d

Mandatory gooning during the dailies at meta.

stevedice@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 296d

You're joking but it was 2400 movies over 7 years downloaded individually and not in bulk like they blatantly did with books. Apparently over 60% of adults admit to have viewed porn at work so yeah... someone should probably check on the engineers in the goon cave.

ignotum@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 298d

"hey steve, did you download a shitton of porn while on the company network?"
"Uuuhhhhh, it's for ai training"

RedFrank24@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 298d (10 replies)

Torrent the Dark Knight to watch at home along and the media companies will sue you for infinity billion dollars. Openly torrent every movie known to man to train an AI and the media companies don't do shit.

manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 298d (7 replies)

Steal 1 movie, you're a murderer, steal 1million, you're a conquerer, steal 'em all? You're a goooooooood~

this comment is oc, DO NOT steal

Akanes@startrek.website · 19 pts · 298d

Too late, but it's ok, i'll only keep it for personal use

markz@suppo.fi · 3 pts · 297d (4 replies)

You wouldn't steal a car.

You wouldn't right click and save an NFT.

Piracy. It's a crime.

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 297d (3 replies)
markz@suppo.fi · 2 pts · 297d (2 replies)
Jarix@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d

Much appreciated. Thank you

Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 296d

Ah, so the anti pirate lobby still pirated the composers music. Just not for the famous ad.

ulterno@programming.dev · 0 pts · 298d

That doesn't work unless you also "steal" all the media companies' money so now they don't have any to pay the lawyers.

x00z@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d

Well in this case they are trying to do something... This whole "personal use" thing is Meta's response to a copyright claim against them.

Blackmist@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 298d

It's not a personal Jellyfin server, it's training material for a possible future AGI. It's going to know a lot about terrible horror movies.

WhatGodIsMadeOf@feddit.org · 50 pts · 298d

Humanity is fucked letting these companies exist.

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 298d

An even more “glaring” defect, Meta argued, is that Meta’s terms prohibit generating adult content, “contradicting the premise that such materials might even be useful for Meta’s AI training.”

Oh yes, this is true because meta, or any other company for that matter, has never ever in the history of ever changed its terms of service...

Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 32 pts · 298d

I can only assume the MPAA will funnel vast sums of money into helping prosecute these thieves? Any minute now right?

phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 24 pts · 298d (4 replies)

One wonders how much child porn was in there....

But it's AI, so itsa aaaaalllll fine

Evotech@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d

It's kinda weird how spwsific you have to be with certain models to not make them vwry very young looking people

manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 298d (2 replies)

It's better to say child sex abuse material (csam), the term "child porn" both legitimizes the conent, and infers children could ever be active and consenting participants

sexualised content involving children is abuse and should be labled as so

ulterno@programming.dev · 1 pts · 297d (1 reply)

Also, there are far too many things with the acronym, cp

ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d

Chris Parnell. That's one.

vane@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 298d

that's mafia level response

Stamau123@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Hahaha, what a story, Mark! Anyway, how's your sex life?

pyre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 296d

"define 'sex'. no, wait... define 'life'."

sundray@lemmus.org · 14 pts · 298d

So their AI is so technologically weak that they can’t even blame it for all the porn downloads, eh. SMH.

BilSabab@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 298d (19 replies)

Ok, but why would anyone bother training AI on porn? Seriously, I don't understand

calcopiritus@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 298d (2 replies)

Gen AI porn and shitposts are the only 2 decent use cases I've seen of gen AI.

You can't make half of those without training it on porn.

BanMe@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 297d

Just to add I've seen a full 10 second clip of AI gay porn and it was very, very realistic, with only some minor things that set it off as fake. It's gotten to the point where I'm afraid I'm cumming to clankers now.

Sabata11792@ani.social · 2 pts · 298d

At this point, I'm betting you don't hear news about image models as the cutting edge is in anime titties and celeb nudes.

moondoggie@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 298d (2 replies)

An article I read when this came up a couple of months ago said that basically porn was the best way to show AI unclothed human movement. Watching clothed humans move, you can get the basics but can’t see how the muscles are working. If you show it a Hollywood movie, they might see occasional shirtless scenes or artfully lit and blocked out sex scenes. Porn has the greatest amount of naked people moving their bodies.

BilSabab@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d (1 reply)

now that's fascinating

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 298d

Heh. Also what Spock said while "training".

mangaskahn@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Video generation, copyright matching, CSAM detection, those are just the first few that pop into my head.

BilSabab@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 298d

got it. thx

falseWhite@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 298d (7 replies)
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manuallybreathing@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 298d

Grok probably has sex abuse fantasies because it was trained on NYtimes best selling literotica

BilSabab@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 298d (5 replies)

I've heard about that. I just don't really understand why would anyone waste their resources on it. AI training is too expensive to waste it on that.

vin@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 298d (3 replies)

Maybe there's enough people ready to pay for their own personal porn production

BilSabab@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 298d (2 replies)

there are more cost-effective ways to produce amateur porn.

vin@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 297d (1 reply)

It doesn’t make sense to me either but people pay for onlyfans and whatnot.

BilSabab@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d

what's funny is that onlyfans was supposed to be an alternative for patreon but it kinda evolved into what it is today by capitalizing on market demand. I remember back in 2018-2019 lots of folks in the culture industry seriously said that onlyfans will be THE functional business model for artists and writers to build and engage with their communities and sustain themselves on creativity alone. Flashforward 2020 - tits and ass!

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 298d

Have you looked at the porn industry?

sweeping gesture

I mean, FFS, sex is everywhere. 🤌🏼

Mwa@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 298d (1 reply)

probably for the AI to learn how to detect NSFW content???

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 298d

Yeah. Sure. That's where the money is. Yup.

Evotech@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d

Its the best datasets for human anatomy.

843563115848@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 298d

Liars. So many liars these days...

Eh_I@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 297d (2 replies)

Well, someone at facebook needs to come collect their jerk-off trophy.

phutatorius@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 297d

Zuck, you dirty wanker.

Bloefz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 296d

I think they already came

GaryGhost@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 298d

https://youtu.be/a3PmewuSb1w

Most for personal use, m-porno

BussyGyatt@feddit.org · 5 pts · 298d

yes, and epstein trafficked all those children to himself.

Krompus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 297d

💀

BonesOfTheMoon@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 298d (4 replies)

As an aside, a great deal of CSAM is shared through Facebook, they've been asked by CSAM survivors to stop this and they said no. The advocacy survivor group Phoenix 11 submitted six formal questions in the US Congress to old Zuckface fuckface about it, as he deployed end to end encryption which makes this possible, which he dodged like the lying fuck he is. Zuck would sell it himself if it made him a whole dollar and nobody should forget that.

Credibly_Human@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 298d (2 replies)

I completely disagree with your take here.

The idea that we shouldn't have services with end to end encryption because "think of the children" is an absurd take to have.

I think you're being upvoted because its anti Zuckerberg, but seriously people, think about the long term consequences of not being able to chat without being spied on.

otter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 298d (1 reply)

Yeah, that argument is shit wrapped in a candy shell. Too many people'll swallow it without so much as a blink. 🥲

sleen@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 298d
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TeddE@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 298d

Which is frustrating as every single time the government wanted to expand surveillance on regular citizens, preventing this is always touted as the justification. Now we have all the surveillance and the monopolies are like 'Nah, exploitation is profitable'.