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c/news · by silence7@slrpnk.net · 284d

Hitler had hidden genetic sexual disorder, DNA analysis reveals

https://www.thetimes.com/article/e7284add-ded2-4e9c-bc09-9c45e2fa12de?shareToken=5baad3ccd0206fbc648f58197c4c1158

The Nazi dictator had Kallmann syndrome, which hinders normal puberty and the development of sexual organs, according to groundbreaking research

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Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 112 pts · 284d (13 replies)

We have Hitler's DNA?
So I guess there is a nonzero chance that there will be a Hitler-clone someday in the future.
Fits this timeline.

neidu3@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Dolly 2.0 will be a a megalomaniac sheep. And she will try to exterminate all the black sheep, I assume.

AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 3 pts · 284d

The video game will be as if Jeff Minter made Wolfenstein.

DagwoodIII@piefed.social · 15 pts · 284d

https://youtu.be/jPvE8oRei70

Novel and movie, "The Boys From Brazil."

Mengele saved some of Hitler's DNA and made dozens of clones; the boys were distributed to couples all over the world...

Treczoks@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 284d

Research will be financed by Elon Musk...

Kirp123@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 284d (1 reply)

I would be curious where they got it from. After Hitler killed himself, his and Eva Braun's remains were burned by his adjutant. Some dental remains were found at the spot which matched Hitler's dental records and which are the only confirmed remains of his body. The Soviets claimed to have found more remains that they exhumed and taken away. They also claimed those were later destroyed and all that was kept was a skull and a jawbone. This is more likely false since eyewitnesses to the burning of the body stated that only ashes remained.

Looking at sources it does seem that the skull fragment was found in the Soviet archives in the 90s and early 2000s and was DNA tested against blood collected from the couch were Hitler apparently committed suicide. The skull came back as containing female DNA while the blood contained male DNA.

So the only two sources of potential DNA for Hitler are his teeth remains and the blood collected from that couch but I'm wondering how do they know that the blood was Hitler's and not someone else's? A lot of other people committed suicide around the same time as Hitler or soon after.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 284d

Edit: I see, you saw the couch thing. You probably mean that we don't know where it was for those 80 years.

Edit 2:

Work had already been done in this area. In 2008, a Belgian journalist called Jean-Paul Mulders had debunked a story about a potential Hitler descendant. In doing so, Mulders found a relative of Hitler who shared a common paternal ancestor: a straight line of male ancestry meant that their Y chromosome would be identical.

When this sample was compared with the blood from the Rosengren swatch, the match was perfect. With no risk of cross-contamination, it had to be Hitler’s DNA. The 80-year-old sample is as degraded as it should be and this type of Y chromosome is rare, making the chances of a mistake all the more remote.

just_an_average_joe@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 284d (1 reply)

You also need epigenome not just genome

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 284d

So we would get a Hitler clone with possible deformities and other health issues on top of Kallmann Syndrome?

Great, I am sure that would significantly improve his mood and totally not lead to senseless acts of extreme angry violence against some unfortunate group of scapegoats!

RaoulDuke85@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 284d (1 reply)

I believe they removed his brain and it mysteriously went missing.

ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 284d

Literally went missing. As opposed to his followers. Their brains went figuratively missing when they started following him and his modern acolytes.

Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Tbh a Hitler clone may choose to live a 'normal' life in this timeline.

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 284d (1 reply)

l doubt that, considering he would be raised and live with the people who cloned him.
And I raise the hypothesis that "leading a normal life" would not fit the motives of these people.

Capricorn_Geriatric@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d

I meant to say, all things equal, Hitler's genes didn't make him do the stuff he did, but rather the environment and opportunity.

If his genes were, say, secretly implanted into a couple's kid by a rogue IVF clinic employee and he got raised as a 'normal' kid, he'd probably not differentiate much. Even if his 'identity' got leaked after 20-30 years, I'd like to believe "Hitler's 2nd coming" would not become a neo-nazi in over 50% of cases. This was the hypothetical playing in my mind. Yours is/was different. Being raised as the natural heir and successor of the great Aryan German Reich would likewise probably work on the holder of any gene sequence.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 99 pts · 284d (18 replies)

This one is surprising:

Claim: Hitler has Jewish ancestry

In his own time, there was a rumour that the virulently antisemitic Hitler was in fact illegitimately descended from a Jewish grandfather, but the genes disprove this. They show that his ancestry is Austrian German, something Hitler had instructed genealogists to demonstrate.

Edit: So is this:

Hitler was in the top percentile in terms of his chances of having autism, schizophrenia and bipolar disorder, and some of his genes overlap between conditions.

Basically, neonazis and white nationalists worship a definitely tiny dicked dude that probably had a severe mental disorder.

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Sludgehammer@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 284d (7 replies)

Basically, neonazis and white nationalists worship a definitely tiny dicked dude that probably had a severe mental disorder.

Don't forget being a speed freak too!

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Self-medicating probably.

Kirp123@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Not really. He had his private doctor that prescribed them to him and all his goons. Also Pervitin was an over the counter drug until 1940 and then a prescription one until around 1970.

Hitler's doctor prescribed him powedered cocaine for his throat and sinuses among other things.

SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 283d

Coincidence with Don Jr.

webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · -5 pts · 284d (3 replies)

This just gave me a flashback to how i read about a possible link between rtln and school shootings, more then a decade ago.

From experience, something that tracked is a sideffect that completely numbs your normal external emotional response, but builds negative ones up on the inside.

snooggums@piefed.world · 20 pts · 284d (2 replies)

If rtln is ritalin then no, there is not a link between that and school shootings. That was Oliver North bullshit along the same lines as RFK Jr trying to link Tylenol to autism.

https://apnews.com/article/school-shootings-shootings-north-america-health-violence-a9d58fdda3ba49e0b212a5bfd33c39d3

George DuPaul, a psychologist at Lehigh University in Pennsylvania whose research has focused on ADHD treatment, said a deeper body of research exists on the effects of Ritalin and similar drugs than of treatments for any other condition in children. He said it doesn’t support North’s claim.

I take a higher dose of the generic for Ritalin and it doesn't numb any emotions as far as I have noticed over several years. I'm not as impulsive when it is in my system, but that has more to do with being able to calmly think about things before doing them which was the intended outcome of taking medication.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d

Yeah it might've looked like my emotions were numbed on it as a kid, but that's just that it let me think before I acted

webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 284d

What i read was long before this even (+- 2011) and linked more to psychopathical behaviour then violence but yeah i worded it the way i did because i wasn’t sure about research in the last decade

To be fair i had a very strong reaction to it even on a super low dose, long term side effects caused a lot of scars eventually. But i know for many people it does great.

bobslaede@feddit.dk · 22 pts · 284d (4 replies)

Elon Musk? Or Hitler? Same I guess...

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Trump too. One of the guys on the apprentice said that's why he's had to wear diapers because adderal blew out his insides.

shiroininja@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d (1 reply)

As someone who has had an addiction and have snorted 5 30s back to back and felt nothing, I don’t see how the diaper is connected

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 284d

Here's where he talks about it: https://youtu.be/T9afSmPEQDo?t=294

around 4 minutes 49

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W5uqAavJPAo

Tujio@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 284d

We don't have evidence that Elon has a small penis. Plenty of evidence it doesn't work, though.

GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 284d (3 replies)

I mean, I have a severe mental disorder. But I try extremely hard to not let it turn me into a jerk.

pelespirit@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 284d (1 reply)

No offense, but I don't think you have a cult following willing to to do evil deeds for you.

EffortlessEffluvium@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 283d

Yet

lemmyout@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 284d

Slow Clap

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 284d (9 replies)

Sounds like Stephen Miller has the same disorder.

AshMan85@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 284d (8 replies)

Definitely has a tiny dick

breakingcups@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 284d (7 replies)

Of all the things we can fault Miller for, I'd prefer this wasn't one we choose. His repugnant morals and actions are much more within his control and I'm sure there's plenty of men with tiny dicks who are the best.

HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 284d

Totally agree. I hate it whenever someone uses that as a way to criticize someone.

Big/small dick energy is a ridiculous concept also.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d (4 replies)

Yeah, the vast majority of intersex people are just normal people. I'd even say that this shaming of physical traits is what leads to the well known machismo overcompensation.

GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d

I think the stigma around virility and fertility is where the shame comes from. Monkey brains, after all. Wish we'd just evolve a tiiiiiny bit. Sex isn't everything. Hell, I think the statistic is that we spend less than 1% of our lives total doing the sideways conga.

AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 283d (2 replies)

He wasn't intersex and didn't necessarily have a small penis (although he did have a 1 in 10 chance), he had this:

Kallmann syndrome is a genetic disorder that prevents a person from starting or fully completing puberty. Kallmann syndrome is a form of a group of conditions termed hypogonadotropic hypogonadism.

Regardless:

A. Yes, body shaming of any kind (including dick size) is a pretty shitty tactic to stoop to.

B. I'm sure there are really awesome people with the same disorder, the degree it even causes noticable issues seems like it can vary greatly depending on other factors, and genetic discrimination itself is also a shitty tactic.

However, in the case of the man who literally justified the Holocaust by claiming he was eliminating all inferior genetics for the greater good of his country, I can't feel bad for him, and I think this information should probably be included in all future history books.

At the very least, this information is important to keep in mind anytime fascist assholes start rambling about biology, gender, or race/ethnicity based genetics, and making up bullshit excuses to discriminate against people. For example, if a guy were to ramble about wokeness and fitness standards in the military, and say the U.S. is no longer giving women a "pass" if they can't meet those standards, only for a different video to show the same guy struggling to do a proper pull-up vs a mother with a new born strapped to her chest showing him how it's done, can you really feel bad for this guy if it goes viral and people throw it back at him? I can't do a pull-up either, but I'm also not spreading propaganda on a national stage, that "certain segments of society," just aren't biologically programmed to have the upper body strength required to serve in the military.

It's not that anyone should be shamed or judged based solely on physical or genetic traits, but it proves that even if you're opposed to "wokeness," you really should always be questioning what's being advertised vs what you're actually being sold. It does make me wonder if any of the current pro-eugenics/survival of the fittest/anti woke "lions among sheep" in 2025, would be willing to submit their own personal genomes and epigenomes as public record (for the greater good). Because I feel like there's a really good chance you'd find some surprises hidden throughout their superior code.

captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 283d (1 reply)

I agree about everything except the claim that Kallman syndrome isn't an intersex condition. The intersex umbrella includes hormonal conditions like hypogonadism. For context, biological sex is several physical traits that fall into bimodal distributions. One mode we refer to as male, and the other as female. Intersex describes anyone who is medically between the ranges of both modes of any sexed trait or who falls into different modes for different traits. Micropenis at birth is one of the classic reasons for "correction". It's a wide umbrella even if most people think of it exclusively as abnormal sex chromosome configuration or structural ambiguity (historically called hermaphrodism)

My issue isn't with people calling Hitler out on this, no more than I had a problem with people mocking his believed Jewish ancestry. I am uncomfortable with people elsewhere in the thread acting like micropenis or hypogonadism causes one to be evil or predisposes one to fascism.

Also we need to change the description of the ideal nazi to: tall like goebbels, thin like goering, and masculine like Hitler.

AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 283d

Excellent points, and yes I was mistakenly assuming you were just referring to sex chromosomes. Thank you for explaining that and teaching me something new.

MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 284d

there's plenty of men with tiny dicks who are the best.

You're right. But we all know there are men who take out their imperfections on the world and Stephen Miller fits the bill.

Jinarched@lemmy.ca · 46 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Another thing him and Musk have in common.

LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 284d

And Trump too, apparently.

Wytch@lemmy.zip · 37 pts · 284d (9 replies)

Scientific proof of small dick energy

Multiplexer@discuss.tchncs.de · 18 pts · 284d (6 replies)

I wish he just would have bought a ridiculously oversized car instead, as the rest of the small-dickers...

athairmor@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 284d (4 replies)

Let’s send Elon back in time to build him a cybertruck.

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 5 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Cyberwagon*

TeamAssimilation@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 284d (1 reply)

*Cyberwagen

tornavish@lemmy.cafe · 1 pts · 284d

Tippfluch!

Loulou@piefed.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 284d

We already did that with the VW

rain_enjoyer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 284d

there were some ridiculously oversized tanks involved instead

HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 284d

Dick size has nothing to do with it. Plenty of awesome dudes with smaller sized dicks.

Perspectivist@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 284d

Of all the things it's no longer socially acceptable to make fun on, people with small dicks still seem to be fair game.

Envy@quokk.au · 24 pts · 284d (15 replies)
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tamal3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d (7 replies)

Wait, what?

glimse@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 284d (6 replies)

The only source in this is Azealia Banks rage tweeting so take it with a grain of salt, she's a bit crazy.

Which is a shame because she's talented and soooo funny

Envy@quokk.au · 3 pts · 284d (1 reply)
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glimse@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d

I mean it's definitely plausible, just don't want anyone thinking it was actually confirmed

Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 284d (3 replies)

Yea I like some of her songs and she definitely has a great voice. But she's a homophobic twat

glimse@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d (2 replies)

She's more than just homophobic, she's a bigot in all sorts of ways. She was a vocal supporter of Trump in the first election (maybe the other ones, too, but I stopped paying attention)

Legendary insult artist, though. Her rants about Healy and Musk were legendary

Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 1 pts · 283d (1 reply)

Hahah. If only that energy were better directed

glimse@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d

I knowwww. I really loved her music but I can't listen to it anymore

Baggie@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 284d

Hey that's not fair, I'm a fragile man obsessed with my failings!

But yeah no you right, trying to make up superiority to cover feelings of failure and insecurity is a classic.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 284d (5 replies)

I mean... something like that does effect your life in a very negative way.

Fuck hitler and all. But this feels like making fun of him for being abused by his dad.

Envy@quokk.au · 5 pts · 284d (1 reply)
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drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 284d

I am not white knighting for them. But this talk is how people insecure about stupid shit like dick size.

'OH, you are a defective. You must be a weak insecure facist.'

I do not feel bad for him over this. He deserved all of his suffering. But goddamn, let's focus on the shit that actually matters and not feed into actual toxic masculinity bullshit.

LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 284d (2 replies)

One indication of becoming a true adult is to accept personal ownership of all our flaws, and work to fix them, even if they were caused by our parents. We've got to grow up, own shit, and fix it.

drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Tell that to the people mocking you and acting like it makes you lesser.

LemmyKnowsBest@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 283d

Hey, my parents fucked me up in childhood too but I'm old now & they're long gone. There came a time I realized I had to stop blaming them for my flaws, own my own shit, & fix it. But hey, as long as Elon's dad is still alive, he belongs in prison for the things he did to his children.

Pacattack57@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 284d (2 replies)

It’s common knowledge he had a fucked up dick. Similar to Trumps actually. And I’m not just talking shit that is actual science 🤣

skeezix@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 284d

Hitler only had one ball.

What do you think of a man with one ball... do you think he had two strikes against him?

SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 283d

Musk was so envious, he joined them

x00z@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 283d (2 replies)

A proven correlation between the need to control other people and a smol pp? Color me surprised.

UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 283d (1 reply)

Lifted pick up trucks didn't exist back then

BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 283d

If only someone had given him a Ford F-9950 millions of deaths could have been avoided.

Fedizen@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 284d

This explains a lot.

Kolanaki@pawb.social · 15 pts · 284d

So he had a baby dick?

pleaseletmein@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 284d (1 reply)

So, it’s true then; Hitler has only got one ball,

Göring has two but very small,

Himmler is rather sim'lar,

But poor old Goebbels has no balls at all.

Grimtuck@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 284d

Hitler had only got one ball,

The other is in the Albert Hall,

His mother, the dirty bugger,

But it off when he was small

(Love how things evolve by word of mouth)

AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 283d

Mein Kampf with Sexual Dysfunction: The unpublished memoir.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d (8 replies)

Wow, the song was right?

https://youtu.be/pKp6uD1JAdc

Buffalox@lemmy.world · -16 pts · 284d (7 replies)

Why do you make blind links in your posts?
It's an absolutely disgraceful horrible idiotic habit, and should be cause for being banned.

peppers_ghost@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 284d (2 replies)

You should log off and take a walk

Buffalox@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 284d (1 reply)

Or maybe you should?
And then just maybe Jordanlund should get his shit together, and post according to the standards he demanded of others as moderator.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 284d

As a moderator, the only thing I have to say about YouTube links is they can't be top level posts, comments are fine.

jordanlund@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 284d (3 replies)

It's a Youtube link. Nothing "blind" about it.

Buffalox@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 284d (2 replies)

That's like saying it's an internet link, nothing blind about it.
It's a moronic habit, and youtube has all sorts of content I have no interest in.

/pKp6uD1JAdc

Does not say a lot about the content...

jordanlund@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 284d (1 reply)

The line immediately above the Youtube link referencing a song makes it clear what the link is.

Gee... could it be... maybe a song... on YouTube? About Hitler?

Buffalox@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 284d

Oh yes that true,
It's THE SONG!
THE SONG ABOUT HITLER... 🤣 🤣 🤣
/s How hard would it have been to include the title?

'Hitler, has only got one ball!' - British WW2 Song

chug-capture-ahoy@piefed.social · 3 pts · 283d

We are still talking about this guy? We have a lot of hitler alive doing what they want in the present.

not_me@piefed.social · -25 pts · 284d (4 replies)
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henfredemars@lemdro.id · 13 pts · 284d (2 replies)

Why? What makes you think so?

kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 284d (1 reply)
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JayFonduh@lemmy.org · 2 pts · 284d

How much fault does this man hold for being so awful and how much fault does his upbringing/community hold?

HellsBelle@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 284d

Ah yes. The obligatory fake news larper defending the nazi.