If you've not seen the Blues Brothers go watch it right now. Order the DVD if you have to. Its absolutely worthwhile. Its an SNL spinoff film with a Legendary soundtrack featuring the biggest names in the Blues and Jazz scene. Great soundtrack, brilliant gags, incredible car chases and just a ton of rediculous chaos.
Disability as a subculture or identity is just really cringe. Especially the deaf/blind organisations lobbying against curing childrens deafness/blindness.
Not arguing here. But just want to point out that disability subculture usually arises as a survival response in the face of discrimination and segregation. Everyone has a need for community and a sense of belonging. When broad hegemonic culture rejects you and your presence, belonging is found in the one distinctive feature that is the cause for the rejection and the source of cohesion with your peers. See also gay subculture as a response to homophobia, US black culture as a response to racism, feminist sorority subculture in response to misogyny, etc. So it is not rare to see disability subculture as a response to ableism. These communities are very important for security and preservation of individuals. Just as everywhere else, security is always a trade-off with something else.
Obviously autism can vary between people, but it's not something that's wrong with me, and I wouldn't want to cure it. I'm different than what's widely considered normal, but in a way that I think is fine. It's like having red hair or being transgender.
I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion.
Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting.
I'd say subculture is fine. A subculture doesn't have to be bad or annoying. Identifying with autism is also totally fine. Recognizing kinship isn't bad.
Where it goes wrong is using it as an identity outright. "Sorry, I'm autistic" is just fucking more annoying after someone does something annoyingly autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you literally cannot learn good social behavior. By the time that is true, there is definitely something more serious than autism involved.
Apparently you haven't seen the seminal classic from 2014, "The Christmas Dragon". Lovingly covered by Mystery Science Theater 3000 in season 13 episode 13.
The penguins we know today are not actual penguins. They are named after the real penguins which were prevalent in the northern hemisphere but which humans drove to extinction.
Yeah, not sure why Encyclopedia Britannica would not just omit the correct picture but also put in a link to another article for a completely different bird with a picture!
That's a map of the magnetic "dip" pole not the geomagnetic pole. They are slightly different things.
I'm a bit out of my depth, so I'm not gonna try to explain the distinction because I don't really understand it very well myself, it's just a fun fact I picked up somewhere.
But AFAIK, the geomagnetic pole is still supposed to be somewhere around Canada/Greenland
Also, not for nothing, but those are two different map projections so with how things get distorted around the poles in the OPs map,it's a little hard to directly compare them. Remember that with cylindrical projections the whole top edge of the map basically represents a single point (the geographic north Pole) so things are often a lot closer together than they may look on the map. Just from eyeballing the two maps as an amateur who uses maps more than the average person but doesn't exactly study them, I wasn't 100% confident that the dip pole wasn't in one of those higher spots of the puffin's range (it's not, I confirmed on a couple other maps, but it's closer than you might think just from casually looking at these two maps.)
Am I missing something? A few penguin references / associations with Christmas, sure I've seen that. But, at least in my part of the world, they're not a major part of the lore -- or am I having a moment?
Either way, this can be easily explained: It's called being inclusive. The last thing you want is a north pole versus south pole world wide Christmas turf war, best to extend an olive branch andlean into that diversity and inclusion metric for the good of the world's children and the fate of humanity.
What has the north pole to do with Christmas? Santa lives in Rovaniemi, Finland. Jesus was born in the middle east. Presents are made in China. Your house is whatever it is, surely not on the north pole.
Aren't they only called penguins because of their resemblance to the now extinct great Auk, a Northern pole bird? Which would justify the attachment to the North pole and Santa?
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Egonallanon@feddit.uk · 106 pts · 232d
Penguins are a Christmas animal because they're all catholic.
Klear@quokk.au · 62 pts · 232d
tetris11@feddit.uk · 18 pts · 231d
Aww, cute penguin feeding her young
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 231d
What’s the clip from? Looks hilarious, curious to see more.
Klear@quokk.au · 15 pts · 231d
Blues Brothers. Legendary movie.
captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 230d
They're on a mission from Gad.
Trainguyrom@reddthat.com · 15 pts · 231d
If you've not seen the Blues Brothers go watch it right now. Order the DVD if you have to. Its absolutely worthwhile. Its an SNL spinoff film with a Legendary soundtrack featuring the biggest names in the Blues and Jazz scene. Great soundtrack, brilliant gags, incredible car chases and just a ton of rediculous chaos.
Lawnman23@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 231d
“We’re on a mission from god”
Notserious@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 231d
Aww, momma used to beat us the same way
Redacted@lemmy.world · 70 pts · 232d
I see the ongoing slide into labelling anything mildy analytical as autistic is in full swing.
AstaKask@lemmy.cafe · 31 pts · 232d
Disability as a subculture or identity is just really cringe. Especially the deaf/blind organisations lobbying against curing childrens deafness/blindness.
dustyData@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 231d
Not arguing here. But just want to point out that disability subculture usually arises as a survival response in the face of discrimination and segregation. Everyone has a need for community and a sense of belonging. When broad hegemonic culture rejects you and your presence, belonging is found in the one distinctive feature that is the cause for the rejection and the source of cohesion with your peers. See also gay subculture as a response to homophobia, US black culture as a response to racism, feminist sorority subculture in response to misogyny, etc. So it is not rare to see disability subculture as a response to ableism. These communities are very important for security and preservation of individuals. Just as everywhere else, security is always a trade-off with something else.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 1 pts · 231d
Support community? Great. Using it as an excuse or identity like many autistic people do? Cringe.
You don't see black people going around talking jive, and then going, "oh sorry, you see I'm black" when they catch a confused look...
Nitrate55@lemmy.ml · -7 pts · 231d
None of that changes the fact that lobbying against curing a child's deafness/blindness when it can be cured is fucked up.
Interesting how you chose to just not engage with that point.
dustyData@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 231d
I told you, I'm not arguing. I actually agree on that point.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus · 13 pts · 231d
We wouldn’t need a subculture if we weren’t oppressed and excluded from normal culture.
stray@pawb.social · 9 pts · 231d
Obviously autism can vary between people, but it's not something that's wrong with me, and I wouldn't want to cure it. I'm different than what's widely considered normal, but in a way that I think is fine. It's like having red hair or being transgender.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 2 pts · 231d
High functioning autism is a fine character trait to identify with. Though I seriously doubt someone who's basically mute takes pride in their autism.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 230d
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 2 pts · 230d
Nowhere did I ever defend discrimination. I merely said some people do not have a form they'd likely be proud of.
Tonava@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 229d
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 1 pts · 229d
I dislike pride in general. Nobody should take pride in anything literally inaliable, just like nobody should be shamed for it. They should be comfortable in their own skin and not made to feel lesser for sure, though pride? Ehh... It's a dangerous, blinding emotion.
stray@pawb.social · 3 pts · 231d
Nonverbal people are free to make up their own mind how they feel about it, but calling it "cringe" when people choose to come together over a shared identity and experience is extremely insulting.
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 0 pts · 230d
Nowhere did I ever call making a community cringe.
SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 231d
Quick question, are you disabled yourself?
MotoAsh@piefed.social · 2 pts · 231d
I'd say subculture is fine. A subculture doesn't have to be bad or annoying. Identifying with autism is also totally fine. Recognizing kinship isn't bad.
Where it goes wrong is using it as an identity outright. "Sorry, I'm autistic" is just fucking more annoying after someone does something annoyingly autistic. Being autistic doesn't mean you literally cannot learn good social behavior. By the time that is true, there is definitely something more serious than autism involved.
caradenada@feddit.cl · 15 pts · 231d
Context is important. In this case, it wasn't the place for that kind of analysis.
OpenStars@piefed.social · 10 pts · 231d
Although ironically it matches the meta-context perfectly (displaying signs of autism in an exam to detect autistism).
korendian@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 232d
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 43 pts · 232d
I can't say I've ever seen penguins in relation to christmas
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 29 pts · 232d
I'm part of the problem. I have a penguin inflatable on my lawn. (I also have a dragon and a dinosaur, also not known for Christmas)
Atherel@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 231d
Cascio@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 232d
Apparently you haven't seen the seminal classic from 2014, "The Christmas Dragon". Lovingly covered by Mystery Science Theater 3000 in season 13 episode 13.
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 232d
Just snagged this to watch next week
zqwzzle@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 231d
The latest Coca Cola slop ad probably.
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
I thought Coca Cola used polar bears
zqwzzle@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 231d
The latest slop ad has sloths and pandas. Don’t recall if it has penguins too but probably.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 231d
You don't recall "Topper" from Santa Claus is Coming to Town?
TabbsTheBat@pawb.social · 3 pts · 231d
First time hearing of santa claus is coming to town ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
It's a classic animated Christmas movie. I highly recommend.
Una@europe.pub · 40 pts · 232d
Yes, but
SanctimoniousApe@lemmings.world · 11 pts · 231d
Not sure I wanna know what comes out when you finally... um... .. reach your peak.
snooggums@piefed.world · 22 pts · 231d
According to any documentary about avian species, predigested fish for their young.
qualia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
The dinosaur answer to mammalian milk.
snooggums@piefed.world · 0 pts · 231d
Other way around.
"How do we give nutrition to our offspring without vomiting?" - mammals
genuineparts@infosec.pub · 18 pts · 231d
Core dumps.
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 30 pts · 231d
The penguins we know today are not actual penguins. They are named after the real penguins which were prevalent in the northern hemisphere but which humans drove to extinction.
Edit: the Great Auk
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 231d
I don't know if the page looks the same to others, but the bird that's pictured under that fact is not a great auk, they really do look like penguins.
UnrepententProcrastinator@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 231d
For the lazy:
qualia@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 231d
If you're referring to this little guy, he's what I have to pay whenever I get new sneakers: my shoebill
Kraven_the_Hunter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 231d
Yeah, not sure why Encyclopedia Britannica would not just omit the correct picture but also put in a link to another article for a completely different bird with a picture!
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 231d
What an appropriate username for a discussion of animals. Awesome.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
beautiful plumage
someguy3@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 231d
Not exactly north pole.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 39 pts · 231d
To be fair, neither are reindeer IRL.
Santa's sleigh should be pulled by 8 murderous polar bears.
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 231d
Murderous flying polar bears.
someguy3@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 231d
It's a ton better, you're not going to get many that are literally at the North Pole.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 231d
Exactly. Ain't nothin alive up there besides scientists running from student loan debt.
plyth@feddit.org · 4 pts · 231d
What limits their migration further north in western Eurasia?
WhiskyTangoFoxtrot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 231d
Real estate prices.
Tja@programming.dev · 9 pts · 231d
But santa lives in Finland...
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 231d
...And commutes to the North Pole workshop M W F and works from home on Tue and Thu. Try and keep up, OK?
rumba@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 231d
🎵Rudolph with his nose so red, better run now or you'll soon be dead🎶
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 231d
Wasn’t that what the witch from Narnia did?
hansolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 231d
And Santa is a much more powerful demon. So that tracks.
Fondots@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 231d
I believe the geomagnetic pole falls somewhere in that region
someguy3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
Nope.
Fondots@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
That's a map of the magnetic "dip" pole not the geomagnetic pole. They are slightly different things.
I'm a bit out of my depth, so I'm not gonna try to explain the distinction because I don't really understand it very well myself, it's just a fun fact I picked up somewhere.
But AFAIK, the geomagnetic pole is still supposed to be somewhere around Canada/Greenland
Also, not for nothing, but those are two different map projections so with how things get distorted around the poles in the OPs map,it's a little hard to directly compare them. Remember that with cylindrical projections the whole top edge of the map basically represents a single point (the geographic north Pole) so things are often a lot closer together than they may look on the map. Just from eyeballing the two maps as an amateur who uses maps more than the average person but doesn't exactly study them, I wasn't 100% confident that the dip pole wasn't in one of those higher spots of the puffin's range (it's not, I confirmed on a couple other maps, but it's closer than you might think just from casually looking at these two maps.)
fossilesque@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 231d
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
mapswithoutNZ
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 231d
Am I missing something? A few penguin references / associations with Christmas, sure I've seen that. But, at least in my part of the world, they're not a major part of the lore -- or am I having a moment?
Either way, this can be easily explained: It's called being inclusive. The last thing you want is a north pole versus south pole world wide Christmas turf war, best to extend an olive branch andlean into that diversity and inclusion metric for the good of the world's children and the fate of humanity.
qualia@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 231d
In order to do that you'd need to get the branch from more temperate latitudes so in keeping with this thread here goes their approximate range:
ninja@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 231d
qualia@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 231d
Oh that's simple, instead of the standard latitude degrees to demarcate the Mediterranean climate zone, this diagram is measured in fahrenheit.
Venus_Ziegenfalle@feddit.org · 2 pts · 231d
USA got pretty lucky there. Almost matches the borders.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 231d
I think it's marketing overreach. christmas->snow->snow animals->penguins
I do find it strange that there are less polar bears than penguins in Christmas decorations in NA
InvalidName2@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 231d
Probably Coca-cola and its legal teams have some degree of responsibility for the minimal polar bear association.
DarkCloud@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 232d
Santa essentially has teleportation. Space is meaningless to the entity we know as Santa.
Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 231d
Puffins are penguins if they didn’t give up on the whole flight thing
ZoteTheMighty@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 231d
Excuse me while I get mauled by a polar bear to get in the Christmas spirit.
stray@pawb.social · 9 pts · 231d
Puffin
Cormorant
Arctic tern
Common eider
King eider
White-tailed eagle
Kittiwake
Fulmar
Snow bunting
Northern gannet
Sanderling
Black guillemot
Brünnich’s guillemot
Little auk
Arctic skua
Long-tailed skua
Ptarmigan
Great northern diver
Red-throated diver
Glaucous gull
Lesser black-backed gull
Great black-backed gull
Ivory gull
Red phalarope (grey phalarope)
Pink-footed goose
Barnacle goose
Brant goose
Razorbill
Turnstone
https://oceanwide-expeditions.com/blog/22-enchanting-arctic-birds-and-their-most-fascinating-facts
The website has pictures.
Tja@programming.dev · 9 pts · 231d
What has the north pole to do with Christmas? Santa lives in Rovaniemi, Finland. Jesus was born in the middle east. Presents are made in China. Your house is whatever it is, surely not on the north pole.
moody@lemmings.world · 16 pts · 231d
Santa lives at North Pole, Canada. Poatal code H0H 0H0. You can write him a letter and he will reply.
Tja@programming.dev · 5 pts · 231d
Fake news! https://maps.app.goo.gl/2aYT9gQfh29zr8V58
FatVegan@leminal.space · 5 pts · 231d
You can't fucking trust anyone anymore.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 232d
Puffins are cuter, usually less, ahem, fragrant, too.
Captain_Buddha@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 231d
Aren't they only called penguins because of their resemblance to the now extinct great Auk, a Northern pole bird? Which would justify the attachment to the North pole and Santa?
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 3 pts · 231d
Probably. Humans driving real penguins to extinction, travelling to the geographic south:
Eh, close enough. Tis a penguin.
qualia@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 231d
Great phylogenetics YouTuber discusses this very connection.
militaryintelligence@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 232d
Snow and cold weather is christmasish to me
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 231d
Well, Topper the penguin, did help Santa when he was trying to deliver his toys in Sombertown.
FooBarrington@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 231d
If ranting about cultural associations of animals makes me autistic, I don't want to be autistic!