Yeah and if this openly and unabashedly satirical post was still being treated like legit reporting, imagine how people must react to actual propaganda.
Actual propaganda isn't true, though, or at least it requires an element of misleading in it. If ICE officials aren't actually concerned about people shooting them and claiming self-defense, then I'll eat my hat, as the old saying goes.
It's also not "openly and unabashedly satirical." You only think that because you recognize the source as satirical. To everybody else, it reads as clickbait.
Clickbait + true statements does not equal an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda.
Actual propaganda frequently is true, this is misleading in that it is not actually reporting news, just guessing something is true doesn't make it true, I didn't recognize the poster I went and looked it up trying to find a source and discovered it was posted by a very open satire site, and this seems like a really stupid thing for you to be trying to start a fight over.
Nah totally, I read it as a similar sentiment to "What's the point in doing anything". If that was off the mark I apologize. I just meant that we all cope in our own ways, even if some of them are somewhat windmill-tilting-y
With that said, if you were to end in the same situation, would the idea to actually run over an ICE agent so that he doesn't shoot you cross your mind?
Mate, have you read the news in the last months, with special attention to the first days of this year? I understand it's satire and it's not real, but right now, people are having a really hard time to distinguish satire from real news.
One of the biggest reasons why everything sucks right now is the prevelance of misinformation online. This isn't even trying to be misinformation, it took me literally five seconds to confirm that this is from a satire website, and yet when I posted it every other comment was engaging with this as though it were factual reporting.
I know everything sucks right now, but we can't start freely accepting lies as truth just because we're tired. If we do that, we lose completely.
My comment was more on the funny side tho. We live in a timeline so ludicrous that satire is having a hard time because the rapist always find a way to one-up them.
Especially when, sadly, we all know DHS will 100% get a Federal judge or SCOTUS to make this LEO-only OK and let them shoot anyone they want driving, walking, or looking towards them.
That's because a lot of people are fucking pissed and in absence of any action by our governments and institutions in place to protect us are on the verge of taking matters into their own hands.
It reveals itself as satire when it assumed US citizens would actively fight the fascists. They are way too lethargic and complacent to ever do anything of the sort.
Breaking: ICE is afraid that Americans will start exercising their second amendment rights to protect their first and fourth amendment rights from a tyrannical pedofile protecting uncontrolled secret police
That's a blatant misunderstanding of what a Hobbesian sovereign is. According to Hobbes, a sovereign is a form of body politic derived from the consent of the governed. People form civilizations, understanding that by abiding by common agreements they can mutually improve the conditions and circumstances of their lives. Everyone is safer when we agree not to kill each other, and anyone who violates that norm loses the protection of the social contract. Hence, capital punishment as a penalty for murder.
What ICE is doing is violating the social contract and acting without the consent of the governed (bypassing congressional approval/oversight, ignoring established laws and constitutional rights, etc.). In effect, they're regressing us back to the conditions of the state of nature in which "might makes right" and "survival of the fittest," conditions which the social contract originated in order to overcome.
Was your comment intended to suggest a better term than "civilization" was "society"? That is probably a valid correction and I need to brush up on my vocabulary before I have angry anti fascism outbursts on the interwebs.
ICE was the reason why I did not visit the US. Now it is ICE and the unbelievable violation of privacy at the border.
The collection of biometrics all over the world that went from being something you needed at least serious suspicion of to being extremely common and routine for literally everything is just shit.
It's almost as if they're projecting since they know that it's standard practice for them to jump in front of moving vehicles so they have an excuse to open fire and claim self defense.
They're literally accusing people of what they have been doing for at least a decade now.
Renee Good didn't open fire on police and still didn't make it to a jury trial. When unarmed, peaceful people are executed as though they're violent protesters, there's no longer any real reason to be unarmed, peaceful people.
This federal government wants people to open fire on police. This would justify a further police state, martial law, and cancelling the midterm elections that they're definitely on pace to lose disastrously. Natural causes is taking its sweet time, but even if it weren't I don't think the next guy would change a thing unless his owners told him to.
Agreed, but they'll try to argue that violent protesters could kill thousands of innocent people, so killing them is the morally right thing to do. Here, they're arguing that Renee Good was a domestic terrorist that was using her vehicle as a weapon to try to kill the ICE guy, even though it's blatantly obvious that that's not what was happening in the slightest.
I'm just saying that they're escalating. They're hoping that people either stay home because they're afraid of being executed just for being outside, or retaliate and permit them to escalate further. And even an extreme retaliation will not eradicate the fascism, so I'm not sure what the right move is now that we're at this point.
They will escalate regardless of what we do. They already have been.
How's work?
They got us shooting women now
How's the pay?
Well there's a bonus if you're wanting in
How's the hours?
We shoot them in the daylight
And then we steal them away in the dark of the night
Your constitution means nothing it seems people in power wipe their arses with it and citizens barely defend it handing over more and more freedoms every year. Ice clearly isn't about that they sold it to you as.
Well yeah that's kind of how rules and laws are supposed to work.
That's kind of the entire purpose of having a system of government. If a government doesn't exist to protect the people who pay for it, what's the point of it even existing?
Pretty sure the people intentionally destroying the U.S. are aware of that, but it's always kind of a head scratcher to learn the people that are carrying out their orders have been so busy goose-stepping and commiting crimes on their behalf, they haven't really picked up on it.
I'm really not sure why I have to explain to other adults that we all benefit as a society from a system that promotes equality and protects the majority from harm and exploitation.
When you help these people in their never ending war on equality, you're helping to further cement a system of government that enables exploitation and removes any expectation of protection for the majority.
That is what you're working towards on behalf of a billionaire class. A world where they're protected by the system, but we're all expendable, including you. That is what people mean when they call you class traitors. If that term offends you it's probably because you're not understanding or recognizing your own exploitation.
You've handed over civil rights and civil liberties for the "freedom" to participate in a caste system which protects an overclass you will never be part of. Your sole purpose in the system is to help keep them propped up above the rest of society by enforcing their rules and acting as cannon fodder that serves to insulate them from the rest of the masses.
Anyhow I like what this person had to sing about it:
Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV
And you think you're so clever and classless and free
But you're still fucking peasants as far as I can see
The thing is, they view it as a fair trade to support that in exchange for the opportunity to be a part of that system. They might not be the galactic emperor, but they don't seem to mind being a stormtrooper. Everyone else is just peasants and rebel scum in their eyes.
To them, they're high enough on the social hierarchy to have plenty of people to look down on, and that's all they need to feel better about themselves.
True, but they shouldn't act so surprised when they find themselves thrown under the bus. They probably always will, but again, it's because they're too ignorant to recognize their own exploitation.
This may be satire but it does really capture that casual assumption they seem to share that everyone else has the same lust for violence that they do. Most people have to be pushed pretty far to even consider violence, especially lethal violence. For them it seems like every conflict is an opportunity to violently escalate and prove their strength.
Knowing nothing about this outlet this seems more like wish casting than satire tbh. It's just not absurd enough to be joking, other than the idea that top ICE officials would be worried about consequences.
I just signed up for a basic self defense class. I figure the chances of an honest to God civil war breaking out have now risen into whole numbers. Thanks, assholes.
Every American should get a gun right now just to make them afraid.
Don’t advertise on social media, just buy it.
Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.
What this will do is show statistics of gun ownership go up in blue states.
Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.
Yeah don't give them the pretext for what were already doing...
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they're controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they're winning.
The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
Would be really interesting to find out a lot of lefties in red states had guns that were off the books... Don't look at me, I lost mine in an unfortunate boating accident.
Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.
If they shoot someone raiding a house I don't know if there would be a trial at this point though. I'm not saying you should do some solo stand-your-ground thing and get yourself killed, but it doesn't seem like it would make a difference if you even owned a gun or not as far as their legal justification, even if there was a trial they could say they feared for their life. Police have shot people sleeping in bed and gotten away with it.
I can't see how any reasonable jury would convict.
That's either a violent thug that believes they cannot be held accountable for anything they do. Or it's someone PRETENDING to be that ICE agent and hoping to benefit from that same lack of accountability. In either case, your life is at risk if you let them get close.
Trump is the biggest threat to the world since hitler fr, americans should strike, put the american economy on pause so they can DEMAND the dissolution of this terror regime. And for all the other basic human rights they deserve. They literally only care about the economy, so just make a deal with everyone to stop working for one day as a start, set up strike funds.
I'm pretty sure their SUVs have bulletproof windshields. I mean they only have a multi-billion dollar budget and access to all the military equipment they could possibly want.
I'm not aware of anyone testing this hypothesis, though...
Aren't they already in a civil war? Didn't trump already deploy the army against some cities and states before, or did i fall for some sensationalist headlines there?
Nothing to do with headline which was already confusing, because brownshirts were volunteers. ICE is a US army division deployed to silence dissent, under cover of being a purely anti-immigrant enforcement army division. The National Guard becomes a force protection service for ICE. The brownshirts were paramilitary meaning a technically independent of government group even if they get "informal" government (actually nazi party funded brownshirt leadership) funding which leaders can optionally fund pay to "soldiers". ICE is simply government salaried and controlled soldiers.
The USA is still the Wild West, where cowboys protect their rights with a six shooter. Meanwhile here in Europe we eat our popcorn whilst enjoying the drama unfolding on the Telly.
Here in Europe we are surrounded by once-dependable allies who now fall prey to Russian hybrid warfare. Let us tend to that rather than jeer at those who should have stayed our allies.
Don’t you worry: trumps erratic behavior is actually GOOD for Europe: the EU is gaining in popularity, NATO will be more united without this troublemaker and the populists like orban are (according to reports) confused and frustrated by Trumps.
it s incredible how this kind of discourse already provoque one death and you still are on it. Yeah really try to play cod with th us state your are totaly justified and it will only end in a good way. You dont have to comply to llaw enforcement you can even shoot on them and you will not be condamned for it.
132 Comments
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 307 pts · 211d
So, ICE is scared that aggressive untrained people will use deadly force against them, and that afterwards the government will do nothing about it?
That's pretty much how everybody else has felt about ICE for a long time.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 147 pts · 211d
(The Halfway Post is a satire website)
Naich@lemmings.world · 105 pts · 211d
What's the fucking point in doing satire these days?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 211d
We all cope in our own ways. This post is an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda, so... at least there's that?
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 211d
This post isn't propaganda, though, so it's not that amazing of an example.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 211d
Yeah and if this openly and unabashedly satirical post was still being treated like legit reporting, imagine how people must react to actual propaganda.
logicbomb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
Actual propaganda isn't true, though, or at least it requires an element of misleading in it. If ICE officials aren't actually concerned about people shooting them and claiming self-defense, then I'll eat my hat, as the old saying goes.
It's also not "openly and unabashedly satirical." You only think that because you recognize the source as satirical. To everybody else, it reads as clickbait.
Clickbait + true statements does not equal an amazing example of how we are not immune to propaganda.
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 211d
Can be true, can be as simple as „make you think about that (so you don’t think about this)“
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
Actual propaganda frequently is true, this is misleading in that it is not actually reporting news, just guessing something is true doesn't make it true, I didn't recognize the poster I went and looked it up trying to find a source and discovered it was posted by a very open satire site, and this seems like a really stupid thing for you to be trying to start a fight over.
kali_fornication@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
This post has five words
Naich@lemmings.world · 11 pts · 211d
I wasn't criticising the satirist, more the world that is making satire impossible to differentiate from fact.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
Nah totally, I read it as a similar sentiment to "What's the point in doing anything". If that was off the mark I apologize. I just meant that we all cope in our own ways, even if some of them are somewhat windmill-tilting-y
CrabAndBroom@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 211d
In this case, perhaps to put the idea of shooting at ICE cars out into the universe without getting in trouble lol
chunes@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Because there's still plenty of wiggle room. You actually thought ICE officials were afraid of citizens?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 211d
Not in this case.
Give it a month, max, before somebody with either the cojones or the ovaries required to do this, does it.
... This ... this is literally how the American Revolution started, at least from one sort of way of looking at it.
You have oppressive government forces killing and maiming enough randos long enough, eventually the randos start shooting back.
See also: Anywhere else the US has invaded and occupied in the last, I dunno, 75 years, more than that.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
With that said, if you were to end in the same situation, would the idea to actually run over an ICE agent so that he doesn't shoot you cross your mind?
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
I really fail to see how that's relevant to the source being a satire news site.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 210d
What I mean is satire or not: they SHOULD be worried. Now people may genuinely assume that running over them is the higher survival rate option.
Venator@lemmy.nz · 1 pts · 211d
Seems more like just hypothetical unsubstantiated news... 😅
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 21 pts · 211d
That pig was was recording while reaching for his gun, it looks like that video was meant as a trophy.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 127 pts · 211d
Guys, The Halfway Post is a satire website. "America's #1 source for Dada news". Lotta people eating the onion in this comment section.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 80 pts · 211d
Satire is dead. It couldn't keep up with reality.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 211d
"Ceci n'est pas un onion"
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 28 pts · 211d
Mate, have you read the news in the last months, with special attention to the first days of this year? I understand it's satire and it's not real, but right now, people are having a really hard time to distinguish satire from real news.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
One of the biggest reasons why everything sucks right now is the prevelance of misinformation online. This isn't even trying to be misinformation, it took me literally five seconds to confirm that this is from a satire website, and yet when I posted it every other comment was engaging with this as though it were factual reporting.
I know everything sucks right now, but we can't start freely accepting lies as truth just because we're tired. If we do that, we lose completely.
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 211d
My comment was more on the funny side tho. We live in a timeline so ludicrous that satire is having a hard time because the rapist always find a way to one-up them.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 211d
Especially when, sadly, we all know DHS will 100% get a Federal judge or SCOTUS to make this LEO-only OK and let them shoot anyone they want driving, walking, or looking towards them.
darkdemize@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
Jury nullification is still a thing.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 211d
Yeah but unfortunately you can’t nullify a bullet out of your head.
GreenShimada@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 210d
lol, as if they'd ever let this go to a jury.
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 211d
Yeah. The rest of them will make sure you won't be able to attend a trial.
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
What?
BigBenis@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
That's because a lot of people are fucking pissed and in absence of any action by our governments and institutions in place to protect us are on the verge of taking matters into their own hands.
Rothe@piefed.social · 0 pts · 211d
It reveals itself as satire when it assumed US citizens would actively fight the fascists. They are way too lethargic and complacent to ever do anything of the sort.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 78 pts · 211d
Breaking: ICE is afraid that Americans will start exercising their second amendment rights to protect their first and fourth amendment rights from a tyrannical pedofile protecting uncontrolled secret police
laranis@lemmy.zip · 68 pts · 211d
That's why civilization exists you dumb fucks. You start tearing it down and violence is all that's left.
SpookyBogMonster@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 211d
Eh, can't say I agree with Thomas Hobbes on this. ICE is acting in the exact opposite of the state of nature, they're the violent arm of the sovereign
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 18 pts · 211d
That's a blatant misunderstanding of what a Hobbesian sovereign is. According to Hobbes, a sovereign is a form of body politic derived from the consent of the governed. People form civilizations, understanding that by abiding by common agreements they can mutually improve the conditions and circumstances of their lives. Everyone is safer when we agree not to kill each other, and anyone who violates that norm loses the protection of the social contract. Hence, capital punishment as a penalty for murder.
What ICE is doing is violating the social contract and acting without the consent of the governed (bypassing congressional approval/oversight, ignoring established laws and constitutional rights, etc.). In effect, they're regressing us back to the conditions of the state of nature in which "might makes right" and "survival of the fittest," conditions which the social contract originated in order to overcome.
kureta@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 211d
That Goebbels-looking-ass dude literally said "might makes right" on a live TV interview.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 11 pts · 211d
Which is why I won't feel any sympathy for him when someone finally gives him his comeuppance
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 8 pts · 211d
Time to show them just how fit they really are.
And why thr Geneva conventions exist.
jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 209d
MAGA: We broke society, so now we can point at a broken society as an excuse for violence.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 3 pts · 211d
athatet@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 211d
I’m not sure that’s true anymore.
laranis@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 211d
Was your comment intended to suggest a better term than "civilization" was "society"? That is probably a valid correction and I need to brush up on my vocabulary before I have angry anti fascism outbursts on the interwebs.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 62 pts · 211d
ICE was the reason why I did not visit the US. Now it is ICE and the unbelievable violation of privacy at the border.
The collection of biometrics all over the world that went from being something you needed at least serious suspicion of to being extremely common and routine for literally everything is just shit.
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 211d
Exactly this, I was supposed to be in the US for work. I had everything prepared and then this shit show started.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 43 pts · 211d
It's almost as if they're projecting since they know that it's standard practice for them to jump in front of moving vehicles so they have an excuse to open fire and claim self defense.
They're literally accusing people of what they have been doing for at least a decade now.
SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 36 pts · 211d
Well, they should be worried.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 33 pts · 211d
I seriously doubt you're making it to the jury stage of the trial if you open fire on police
MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works · 32 pts · 211d
Renee Good didn't open fire on police and still didn't make it to a jury trial. When unarmed, peaceful people are executed as though they're violent protesters, there's no longer any real reason to be unarmed, peaceful people.
This federal government wants people to open fire on police. This would justify a further police state, martial law, and cancelling the midterm elections that they're definitely on pace to lose disastrously. Natural causes is taking its sweet time, but even if it weren't I don't think the next guy would change a thing unless his owners told him to.
AA5B@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 211d
Protesters also don’t deserve to be executed
MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 211d
Agreed, but they'll try to argue that violent protesters could kill thousands of innocent people, so killing them is the morally right thing to do. Here, they're arguing that Renee Good was a domestic terrorist that was using her vehicle as a weapon to try to kill the ICE guy, even though it's blatantly obvious that that's not what was happening in the slightest.
I'm just saying that they're escalating. They're hoping that people either stay home because they're afraid of being executed just for being outside, or retaliate and permit them to escalate further. And even an extreme retaliation will not eradicate the fascism, so I'm not sure what the right move is now that we're at this point.
athatet@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 211d
They will escalate regardless of what we do. They already have been.
How's work?
They got us shooting women now
How's the pay?
Well there's a bonus if you're wanting in
How's the hours?
We shoot them in the daylight
And then we steal them away in the dark of the night
Rooster326@programming.dev · 9 pts · 211d
causepix@lemmy.ml · 17 pts · 211d
ICE aren't police
eestileib@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 211d
There is zero ideology gap between cops and ice.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 211d
Law enforcement then?
athatet@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 211d
They are not that either.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 29 pts · 211d
GOOD.
yeehawboy@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 211d
Well well well, if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions
danekrae@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 211d
Noo, people would need to have the balls to actually do it...
hayvan@piefed.world · 3 pts · 211d
Unfortunately this is satire, and not consequences of their actions. I wish it was real though.
happypanda@lemmy.ca · 28 pts · 211d
We should call it the Good Initiative
sirico@feddit.uk · 27 pts · 211d
Your constitution means nothing it seems people in power wipe their arses with it and citizens barely defend it handing over more and more freedoms every year. Ice clearly isn't about that they sold it to you as.
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 211d
Shoot ICE. On sight.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 211d
If they're just shooting random moms in minivans then nobody is safe.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 211d
Well yeah that's kind of how rules and laws are supposed to work.
That's kind of the entire purpose of having a system of government. If a government doesn't exist to protect the people who pay for it, what's the point of it even existing?
Pretty sure the people intentionally destroying the U.S. are aware of that, but it's always kind of a head scratcher to learn the people that are carrying out their orders have been so busy goose-stepping and commiting crimes on their behalf, they haven't really picked up on it.
I'm really not sure why I have to explain to other adults that we all benefit as a society from a system that promotes equality and protects the majority from harm and exploitation.
When you help these people in their never ending war on equality, you're helping to further cement a system of government that enables exploitation and removes any expectation of protection for the majority.
That is what you're working towards on behalf of a billionaire class. A world where they're protected by the system, but we're all expendable, including you. That is what people mean when they call you class traitors. If that term offends you it's probably because you're not understanding or recognizing your own exploitation.
You've handed over civil rights and civil liberties for the "freedom" to participate in a caste system which protects an overclass you will never be part of. Your sole purpose in the system is to help keep them propped up above the rest of society by enforcing their rules and acting as cannon fodder that serves to insulate them from the rest of the masses.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 8 pts · 211d
Sounds like Karl Marx to me, polarity reversed.
Anyhow I like what this person had to sing about it:
And this one too.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
That's why it's called the Marxism of the master class
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 211d
The thing is, they view it as a fair trade to support that in exchange for the opportunity to be a part of that system. They might not be the galactic emperor, but they don't seem to mind being a stormtrooper. Everyone else is just peasants and rebel scum in their eyes.
To them, they're high enough on the social hierarchy to have plenty of people to look down on, and that's all they need to feel better about themselves.
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
True, but they shouldn't act so surprised when they find themselves thrown under the bus. They probably always will, but again, it's because they're too ignorant to recognize their own exploitation.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 211d
They figure as long as they're the ones driving the bus, they won't be the ones getting caked in the tire treads...
AcidiclyBasicGlitch@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 211d
Special snowflake syndrome must be a hell of warm and fuzzies drug.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 210d
ICE officials worried citizens may treat them the same way they treat people. Welcome to bizarro land.
underisk@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 211d
This may be satire but it does really capture that casual assumption they seem to share that everyone else has the same lust for violence that they do. Most people have to be pushed pretty far to even consider violence, especially lethal violence. For them it seems like every conflict is an opportunity to violently escalate and prove their strength.
causepix@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 211d
Knowing nothing about this outlet this seems more like wish casting than satire tbh. It's just not absurd enough to be joking, other than the idea that top ICE officials would be worried about consequences.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 19 pts · 210d
Yes every ice/police vehicle is considered hostile.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 211d
I just signed up for a basic self defense class. I figure the chances of an honest to God civil war breaking out have now risen into whole numbers. Thanks, assholes.
Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf · 15 pts · 210d
That's exactly what should be happening regardless.
FosterMolasses@leminal.space · 15 pts · 211d
Hey, only we're allowed to use that excuse! -cops
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 211d
sigezayaq@startrek.website · 1 pts · 211d
ZeroGravitas@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 211d
#nottheonion ?
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 210d
Nazi Punks Fuck Off.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 211d
GOOD!
Every American should get a gun right now just to make them afraid.
Don’t advertise on social media, just buy it.
Store it disassembled, but get some ammo. This way you can put it back together but they can’t claim you were armed if they come in with a no-knock warrant. Kinda hard if your pistol is in 17 separate bits in a locked case.
What this will do is show statistics of gun ownership go up in blue states.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 7 pts · 211d
Yeah don't give them the pretext for what were already doing...
nomy@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 211d
I tell people as often as I can, especially my trans and bipoc friends; now is the time. Get a couple guns (a long one and a short one) and learn how to use them. Learn some basic first aid, you really just need to know how to stabilize someone. Start networking with like-minded people in your communities. The police will not protect us, they’ve proven they’ll happily club senior citizens to the ground and shoot any protesters in the face with rubber bullets while escorting a rightwing murderer to safety. Iran was a secular, liberal state until almost 1980 when they (mostly legitimately) elected an Islamist theocracy; it could happen here.
Our current situation really is the culmination of almost 70 years of rightwing efforts. It’s a long listen but worth checking out How Conservatism Won by Robert Evans. He lays out in a clear concise way “how a consortium of rich failsons got together to fund a network of right wing think tanks and shift American culture in a fun new direction. (note: it was not actually fun at all).” They’ve been very successful and those think tanks are now pipelines used to funnel ideological purists into powerful positions like our current Supreme Court.
The shadowy cabals the rightwing says are behind everything is classic projection again, they're controlled by shadowy cabals of rich people. One of the primary ghouls/traitors responsible for the attempted overthrow of our government on J6 was Roger Stone, the same traitorous ratfucker who began his career working for Nixon and has a fucking Nixon tattoo on his back. It's really impossible to overstate how bad these people are and they're winning.
The coup was successful, they're in power and if they don't want to give it up they won't.
Get to know people in your community. Take an interest in growing food, learn how to fix things. Establish secondary lines of communication and start preparing.
https://www.dsausa.org/
https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/
https://socialistra.org/
https://generalstrikeus.com/
https://afsc.org/news/how-create-mutual-aid-network
https://www.immigrantdefenseproject.org/raids/
https://mutualaidhub.org/
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
Would be really interesting to find out a lot of lefties in red states had guns that were off the books... Don't look at me, I lost mine in an unfortunate boating accident.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
The gun lobby loves this one trick.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 211d
Black Panthers getting guns brought on some pretty fucking fast gun control laws
Now imagine every LGBT person being strapped, publicly where it’s allowed. The MAGA snowflakes would be so fucking scared
tocopherol@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 211d
If they shoot someone raiding a house I don't know if there would be a trial at this point though. I'm not saying you should do some solo stand-your-ground thing and get yourself killed, but it doesn't seem like it would make a difference if you even owned a gun or not as far as their legal justification, even if there was a trial they could say they feared for their life. Police have shot people sleeping in bed and gotten away with it.
lepinkainen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
Police also have framed people or claimed afterward that because they owned a gun more force was required and necessary.
Rakonat@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 211d
Turns out abusing power and oppression law abiding citizens claiming they have no rights has consequences. Who would have thought.
RDAM_Whiskers@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 210d
Good fuck em
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 211d
Ah yes, the totally unpredictable consequences of one's incredibly stupid actions.
jack_of_sandwich@lemmy.sdf.org · 11 pts · 209d
I can't see how any reasonable jury would convict.
That's either a violent thug that believes they cannot be held accountable for anything they do. Or it's someone PRETENDING to be that ICE agent and hoping to benefit from that same lack of accountability. In either case, your life is at risk if you let them get close.
Zer0_F0x@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
Remember, if this happens then Orange McFuckface will declare there's a civil war going on and declare martial law, canceling elections.
morphballganon@lemmynsfw.com · 7 pts · 211d
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 211d
If you want to live, I'd recommend it. Arm yourselves before you can't.
ZombieCyborgFromOuterSpace@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 211d
They're really stupid, aren't they?
Una@europe.pub · 6 pts · 211d
What do bottom ICE officials have to say?
VaalaVasaVarde@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 211d
They were not available for comments, as they got rear-ended on the way over.
user1234@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 211d
Harder daddy
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 209d
Trump is the biggest threat to the world since hitler fr, americans should strike, put the american economy on pause so they can DEMAND the dissolution of this terror regime. And for all the other basic human rights they deserve. They literally only care about the economy, so just make a deal with everyone to stop working for one day as a start, set up strike funds.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 211d
I'm pretty sure their SUVs have bulletproof windshields. I mean they only have a multi-billion dollar budget and access to all the military equipment they could possibly want.
I'm not aware of anyone testing this hypothesis, though...
axexrx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Afaik, armored suv's still burn with enough accelerant...
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
That sounds like a solid strategy to me.
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 211d
Jury nullification is probably the only power people have now. If the target was ICE then not guilty.
Then just need to make sure ICE don't kill you before you hand yourself in to police I guess.
20cello@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
And that's how you start a civil war
Knelt6526@lemmynsfw.com · 2 pts · 211d
Aren't they already in a civil war? Didn't trump already deploy the army against some cities and states before, or did i fall for some sensationalist headlines there?
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 211d
Good
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 210d
Urbanist W
Friendlybirdseggs@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 210d
Puddinghelmet@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 209d
Thank you trump for making america sink so deep
hateisreality@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
That would be a wonderful jury
Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de · 4 pts · 211d
You could use this argument in both ways:
1: this has to prosecuted so that agent is guilty in order to set precedence so that copy cases result in guilty as well
2: this has to be prosecuted so that agent is not guilty so that people fear for their lives and stay away from ICE
While one of those is very unpleasant…
frog_brawler@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
Well, yes. Both to the headline - the ICE is no better than the GeStaPo or the SchutzStaffel of Adolf H. - and the text itself.
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 211d
Nothing to do with headline which was already confusing, because brownshirts were volunteers. ICE is a US army division deployed to silence dissent, under cover of being a purely anti-immigrant enforcement army division. The National Guard becomes a force protection service for ICE. The brownshirts were paramilitary meaning a technically independent of government group even if they get "informal" government (actually nazi party funded brownshirt leadership) funding which leaders can optionally fund pay to "soldiers". ICE is simply government salaried and controlled soldiers.
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Yup, I've been waiting & waiting for a big mouth 2A fanatic to put up or shut up.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 211d
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 1 pts · 211d
Where ? In stand your ground states?
UltraMagnus0001@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Only if it was so. Where are all the guns we're supposed to have?
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 211d
Most of them are owned by people supporting this...
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · -4 pts · 211d
The USA is still the Wild West, where cowboys protect their rights with a six shooter. Meanwhile here in Europe we eat our popcorn whilst enjoying the drama unfolding on the Telly.
yakko@feddit.uk · 12 pts · 211d
Here in Europe we are surrounded by once-dependable allies who now fall prey to Russian hybrid warfare. Let us tend to that rather than jeer at those who should have stayed our allies.
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · -1 pts · 211d
Don’t you worry: trumps erratic behavior is actually GOOD for Europe: the EU is gaining in popularity, NATO will be more united without this troublemaker and the populists like orban are (according to reports) confused and frustrated by Trumps.
yakko@feddit.uk · 0 pts · 211d
That's to the good, but you can't reliably conduct geopolitics with mind games.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Meanwhile, America sold you the popcorn and the telly and has a military base right next to your house.
notsosure@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 211d
Not much longer ;-)
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 211d
Good luck
altphoto@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 211d
Does the Queen know which side of the bed you sleep on?
bigmamoth@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 210d
it s incredible how this kind of discourse already provoque one death and you still are on it. Yeah really try to play cod with th us state your are totaly justified and it will only end in a good way. You dont have to comply to llaw enforcement you can even shoot on them and you will not be condamned for it.