The majority of democrats in charge of this country seem to just not care... And the Republicans in charge at this point are full fascist steam ahead, and elated by every terrible thing that takes place.
You’re literally sitting on a pile of decorated generals, heads of intelligence and national security agency leaders who have been forced out by Trump for licking boot or have resigned in protest of Trump.
Where are these cowards? A few are clowning around on social media. If these people won’t stand up, you’re absolutely fucked.
Maybe you muppets shouldn’t have dined out on “give me liberty or give me death” for two centuries if you just thought it sounded cool but didn’t really mean it.
Or all those guns that so regularly end up in school shootings, yet are supposedly essential for their freedom™ and for “fighting an unjust government.”
Have you served or been involved in armed conflict before? Ever conducted or been involved with combat operations in any theater of asymmetrical warfare?
Edit: @WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca that was an earnest question. If it was you, I take it that down-vote means "no". However, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from saying "yes", and just lying about it.
Weak, MAGA level ad hominem. It’s interesting how many of you sound the same and resort to the same boring, tired lines when you’re reminded that your good intentions on their own mean fuck all. Defensive in the same way an 8 year old (or Trump supporter) gets defensive. Way to have ChatGPT help you out with that last paragraph, though. Really drives the point home.
Canada showed up to both world wars on day one, Muppet.
While you cowards snivelled on the sidelines, profiteering on it, before jumping in on the last ten minutes.
Canada isn’t fucking stupid enough to vote in an absolute lunatic.
We aren’t dumb enough to have created an electoral college system, and be tied in to a system that doesn’t allow for government removal between election cycles.
We know better than to let the head of state and the head of government be the same orange dipshit.
We know that the head of state needs to be apolitical.
America didn’t win the wars, you putz, lol. If anything, you cowards ( and you’ve always been cowards) caused them to go on longer than they otherwise would have.
And we don’t fight for the King. We fight in his name, and have never answered to him. He answers to us.
You dipshits wouldn’t know about that, though because you’re too busy bending the knee to a madman, pretending that you ever have or would ever scrounge up the guts to fight tyranny
And here’s a history lesson for you and your likewise illiterate brethren. 1776 wasn’t about freedom or democracy. If it were, there would have been built in protections that could be properly utilized in a crises. Both Britain and the Commonwealth realms had and have far superior systems.
You muppets are falling apart from the inside out, and have no one to blame but yourselves. You fucked up from the Reagan era on, so couldn’t even manage a half century as a superpower before you were already in decline.
Pathetic little muppets.
Just so I understand properly, are you saying Americans are better than Canadians because your president is so appalling that he requires armed resistance?
Genuinely, I don't understand what the argument is here. How is having "something to resist" a good thing?
Sigh. I keep reminding people that the 25th Amendment was not meant for this. It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated. Like, if a President was shot in the head, and is still alive, but in a coma. Because all the President has to do is say "Naw, I'm good", and he gets his office back. If the VP and Cabinet still agree, it takes a 2/3 majority of both Houses to make the expulsion stick. And even then, the VP carries in as
"Acting President", which is not formally defined anywhere.
Impeachment is the way to handle this. It has a lower threshold. It doesn't require the VP or Cabinet to sign off first, and only needs 1/2 the House to start the process. And once the President is removed from office by 2/3 of the Senate, the VP becomes the actual President, no "acting" involved.
Colloquially it is also meant to include conviction by the Senate. Impeach + convict. But yes, Republicans have been assholes for many decades. It still needs to happen though, so it is what continues to get demanded.
Impeachment is meant as a check on an Imperial Presidency. In the Constitution, it is supposed to be triggered in response to "High Crimes and Misdemeanors". It leaves to Congress what that means. So it does not have to be a chargeable crime. The President is supposed to uphold the Constitution, and Treaties like the NATO treaty are supposed to have the same force as the Constitution. Threatening to attack our allies should count as impeachable.
However, he has been impeached twice and failed because Republicans in Congress have his back. In particular, the second time around McConnell said that Trump deserved punishment, but it was better done in the courts. Then Surprise! the Courts said the only way to hold a sitting President to account was through impeachment. It was an ouroborous of letting him off the hook.
We may have to live with the fact that there is no way to fix this, other than voters (or God Himself) intervening, as long as Republicans are too chickenshit to stand up to Trump.
It would lead to his removal, but it got cockblocked by the Senate. As intended.
For those that don't know. The Senate purely represents old money. They were created as a check/balance to keep citizens from taking away wealth, privilege, and power from the ruling class.
The British House of Lords used to hold the same sort of power with their ability to veto anything passed by the House of Commons. The House of Commons took this veto power away, but unfortunately they were only able to do this by getting the King to threaten to ennoble hundreds of new people and overwhelm the power of the traditional Lords. Our (US) current King would of course never agree to any such thing.
That's a fascinating historical nugget. I wonder if he would have actually gone through with it? That would have been hilarious. How would they get picked?
He (King George V) would have done it (in 1911). Asquith (the Prime Minister) told him that his father (King Edward VII) had promised to do it before his death in 1910 and King George assented. Asquith actually prepared lists with hundreds of names on them.
Impeachment is the House voting to put the President on trial in the Senate. The Senate is then to hear the evidence and vote whether or not to remove the President from office. Trump was impeached twice but the Senate voted partisanly to keep him in office both times.
That's the text all right, but the text also says that all the President has to do is present Congress with a "written declaration that no inability exists" to get his job back. So as long as the President has the mental acuity to write a letter, he gets his job back. Not a high bar at all, and your "psychotic menace" or "nervous breakdown" Presidents can still write a letter.
If the president objects, the matter goes before Congress, which can decide with a two-thirds vote to permanently remove the president and install the vice president.
Yes, and that process involves a higher threshold (2/3 of both houses) than impeachment (1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate). It also needs the VP to agree.
So if impeachment won't work, then this won't work either.
Honestly, if you can get 2/3 to agree, they shouldn't need to have any qualifying condition. That should just be the bar for getting fired even if enough people simply don't like him being there.
That's already how it works with impeachment. You need 1/2 of the house and 2/3rds of the Senate to agree to remove. You are describing what already exists
That's why there's been several impeachments in the last 20 years but nobody has left office.
I'm talking about straight up ejection from the moment the vote is validated type of stuff. Not the beginning to a hopelessly long series of trials and further votes. Just a one vote, done thing that could easily be official before the pres even know it might be likely.
Presidents are far too comfy as far as job security goes. They should be at risk of being fired literally every second if enough people agree that they're a fuck-up. And depending on the reason the vote happens, they should be notified they're fired by a surprise pair of handcuffs. None of this long drawn out shit. The fastest thing possible in reference should be fitting the leader.
Except for the 25th you have his cabinet turning on him first, and that's a big deal. If his cabinet doesn't have faith in him, I would suspect that the house and senate would see that as a big deal.
You're 100% right on the mechanics of it, but only 90% right overall. There is one small thing you might not be considering: Republicans might be more supportive of removing an "incapacitated" president than impeaching a tyrannical one because of the less damaging connotation of it.
The worst of his dysfunction came late in his Presidency. He wasn't demanding crazy shit publicly, so no one really wanted to kick him out, they just let me move on naturally.
Excellent point. They aren't admitting that their party failed America, just that their beloved candidate is having a serious health issue. There's no shame in that.
Because all the President has to do is say "Naw, I'm good"
Or, historically, his wife claims he's good, but can't speak to anyone directly, so she would talk with him away from everyone and come back with his feedback.
I predict Stephen Miller would be the one to assume that role this time.
I like you're assumption that's not already happening. Trump doesn't have the capacity to orchestrate what's currently going on, there is definitely multiple people using him for their own interests.
Impeachment was attempted after the Jan. 6th Insurrection, if it didn't work when he was trying to monkeywrench the levers of power by subverting the confirmation of the vote, and it won't work now. He's been shooting his stupid mouth off for decades, being old doesn't necessarily make him demented despite very obvious signs of aging poorly.
You're absolutely correct. But people need to realize that the 25th amendment is not a viable option. The threshold for action via the 25th Amendment is higher. If impeachment won't work, the 25th amendment won't either.
TL;DR: The US president is the walking talking definition of "Main Character Syndrome" (because he is quite possibly the biggest narcissist in recorded history). Because of this, he is risking the dissolution of NATO, and a possible global conflict, seemingly because Norway did not give him a medal. His letter to the Norway PM below:
Dear Jonas,
Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia or China, and why do they have a ‘right of ownership’ anyway? There are no written documents, it’s only that a boat landed there hundreds of years ago, but we had boats landing there, also. I have done more for NATO than any other person since its founding, and now, NATO should do something for the United States. The World is not secure unless we have Complete and Total Control of Greenland. Thank you! President DJT.
We have debated the extent to which we can call these claims “lies” because the president truly seems to believe many of them.
This, to me, is probably the scariest thing. I told my wife awhile back that the difference between people like Mitch McConnell and MTG was that McConnell knew he was pedaling bullshit to get what he wanted. He just didn't have any ethics. MTG (and Boebert, maybe Gym Jordan, and certainly Trump and plenty more) genuinely think that bullshit is true.
When that guy showed up looking for the child hostages at that DC area pizza place w/ his AR-15 and found out the place had no basement , McConnell privately laughed at the idiot people like him had created. The MTGs of the world figured he just had the wrong pizza place, but went on believing that prominent Democrats were harvesting the blood of children! If enough people like that get in charge of a country like the US, then all bets are truly off. That's not hyperbole. They are the kind of people who can be convinced that a country can win a nuclear war, because God would be on their side.
I'm not saying we're headed for a nuclear confrontation. It would have to be a means to an end for someone who can convince the President of the need to achieve that end, and I can't think of any billionaires who need a nuclear war. Yet. Still, it's important to recall that this president did once consider nuking a hurricane. I'm sure anyone on the right, and many on the left, will say he was just kidding. But looking at the context of that conversation, I don't know if that assessment is fully accurate.
There are billionaires who seek nuclear war though. You can argue that Peter Thiel (knows about the antichrist) actually wants a large collapse because he has some technobabble belief that he’ll come out on top
There are certainly billionaires who want Curtis Yarvin’s stupid predictions to come true, but I haven’t seen any of them advocating for nuclear holocaust. Not even Thiel. Not saying I’d be surprised to see it. “Love, Death, & Robots” had a disturbingly believable post-apocalyptic skit that covered how some powerful people might think they can survive something like that.
Correct. Also permanent removal via 25th is actual harder than impeachment and removal because you will eventually need 2/3rds of each house of Congress. The 25th amendment is not a short circuit to impeachment.
What we need is Congress to signal to Trump a real, actual threat of impeachment. He would have to change course, and if he didn't then he should be removed
Regan wasn't constantly posting on trump social and refusing to listen to his handlers.
Not saying that repubes will do anything but what they've already done, just that it's much harder for them to keep the dimentiadon quiet than it was Regan.
What we need is the complete eradication of all government staff appointed by or associated with the Trump administration. Every Republican who voted with him, every Democrat who did the same.
Once that is done, a Manhattan Project sized initiative of judicial reprisal is enacted towards every single person who enabled the Trump administration. The Heritage Foundation is raided and staff is brought up on charges of insurrection. Fox News and the entirety of the right wing noise machine starts facing hard legal, financially devastating consequences for deliberately lying to the public. They, and all other news outlets are kept on a short leash until the heat death of the fucking universe. Corporate personhood is revoked, corporate lobbying is made illegal, and billionaires are taxed until they are brought to heel.
None of this will matter until the people responsible are fleeing for their lives.
Be careful hitting them too hard in the pockets as it could have pre-WW2 type economic effects amongst hundred of thousands of people who could get really violent and try to overthrow the government (again)
Couldn't the newly raised tax revenue be used by the government to prop up the economy and mitigate the effects? I'm admittedly not particularly familiar with the effects you mention, nor how they came about.
It's more so that the economic devastation of hyperinflation after WW1 created a very angry population, and that pushed a lot of people into the arms of the nazis.
My comment was more of a facetious take that the people should just put the wealthy elite 6 feet under, so we dont have to worry about them using their connections to get revenge.
We've been here before so many times. France is the only country with any mettle. The rest of Europe is going to wail about "not escalating things" and there will go Greenland, and effectively NATO, which is just what... huh which country wants that gone again? Surely not a country that has been shown to manipulate Trump.
Problem is that if it would get to war, trump and his loonies stay in power because of a ongoing war and crisis state. Not escalating things is very important to do.
However, that does not mean we can not support greenland if it would come to him invading. We just shouldnt push him to go there.
Also, if anything, its america that should fix america. Not the rest of the world
I'm not a lawyer, but anyone saying "it's time for the 25th amendment" doesn't know shit about the 25th amendment. Here's the text of section 4, which is the part that allows the president to be removed from office disempowered (I guess technically he'd still hold the office, I already said I'm not a lawyer):
Section 4.
Whenever the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office. Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
If you're illiterate or allergic to Constitution-speak, that means that the VP and a bunch of Cabinet members can get together and say "he can't do the job, he's not the President anymore", but the President can just say "yes I can and yes I am" and it doesn't count. If they really want to fight over it, it goes to Congress to decide, and if Congress wanted to get rid of Trump they would have already.
It's not a viable option, and anyone telling you it is is badly misinformed at best.
He's not demented. Trump is not planing beyond the next week. Soon he will start threatening countries will nukes and demanding payment directly to his personal bank account. Vance will be equally evil but you avoid the risk of him nuking someone in the middle of the night because of what he read on Truth Social.
Yeah, that isn't going to happen. The billionaires are getting exactly what they want. The Christians are getting a lot of what they want. They're going to keep him in power for as long as possible.
Oh, yeah. There won't be an election. Or if there is, the fix is in.
Hehehe liberals, when are you gonna get it through your thick skulls - the Trump Regime doesn’t give a flying fuck about the rules, he wipes his ass with the constitution in the morning before downing a Big Mac with a side of western rules based order for breakfast.
The only way this monster is leaving office is if the people rise up and force him to do so. Congress will not save us - hell, most of them are part of this problem of cancerous end stage capitalism and need to be deposed as well.
Exactly. So when a new president is sworn in, even if Trump and his cronies don't care, the military will still follow the new Presidents orders and will have no legal reason to follow Trumps.
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U7826391786239@lemmy.zip · 294 pts · 197d
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 81 pts · 197d
Well, THIS is the last straw for real now!
Source: trust me bro.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 197d
After this straw, and that straw, we only have 16 straws left!
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 197d
The camel's back is vibranium
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 197d
The majority of democrats in charge of this country seem to just not care... And the Republicans in charge at this point are full fascist steam ahead, and elated by every terrible thing that takes place.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 197d
The only hope is a revolution but I don't know who's gonna lead it
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 196d
Mark Milley
CQ Brown
H.R. McMaster
Jim Mattis
Meroe Park
Dan Coats
Joseph Maguire
Jeffrey Kruse
Alexander Vindman
Tim Haugh
Milton Sands
James Comey
Lisa Franchetti
You’re literally sitting on a pile of decorated generals, heads of intelligence and national security agency leaders who have been forced out by Trump for licking boot or have resigned in protest of Trump.
Where are these cowards? A few are clowning around on social media. If these people won’t stand up, you’re absolutely fucked.
FreshParsnip@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 196d
Who's "you"? I'm not American
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 196d
It’s almost like the American “resistance” is a bunch of fucking cowards.
“But I have a family! But I have a job”
Go fuck yourself, so did literally everyone else who ever fought against great odds, you absolute clown.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 9 pts · 196d
All while still being very proud that "they" did something in ww2
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 6 pts · 196d
Most people subconsciously know that they would get Charlie Kirk'd five minutes into their career as resistance fighters.
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 196d
Maybe you muppets shouldn’t have dined out on “give me liberty or give me death” for two centuries if you just thought it sounded cool but didn’t really mean it.
RoflmasterBigPimp@feddit.org · 3 pts · 196d
Or all those guns that so regularly end up in school shootings, yet are supposedly essential for their freedom™ and for “fighting an unjust government.”
Especially considering that people have already shot at government forces over issues like fair wages and workers’ rights.
NeilBru@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Have you served or been involved in armed conflict before? Ever conducted or been involved with combat operations in any theater of asymmetrical warfare?
Edit: @WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca that was an earnest question. If it was you, I take it that down-vote means "no". However, I suppose there's nothing stopping you from saying "yes", and just lying about it.
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · -3 pts · 196d
First of all, you can call "muppet" someone irl and see what the consequences are.
Secondly, you come off as nothing more than a keyboard warrior.
Thirdly, educate yourself.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Dude's got a point tho.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -7 pts · 196d
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 196d
Weak, MAGA level ad hominem. It’s interesting how many of you sound the same and resort to the same boring, tired lines when you’re reminded that your good intentions on their own mean fuck all. Defensive in the same way an 8 year old (or Trump supporter) gets defensive. Way to have ChatGPT help you out with that last paragraph, though. Really drives the point home.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 196d
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 196d
Calm down.
CannonFodder@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
If you can't see how at this point in time 'America bad' is extremely accurate, you are hopelessly lost.
beanie@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 196d
Canada showed up to both world wars on day one, Muppet.
While you cowards snivelled on the sidelines, profiteering on it, before jumping in on the last ten minutes. Canada isn’t fucking stupid enough to vote in an absolute lunatic. We aren’t dumb enough to have created an electoral college system, and be tied in to a system that doesn’t allow for government removal between election cycles. We know better than to let the head of state and the head of government be the same orange dipshit. We know that the head of state needs to be apolitical.
kadaverin0@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 196d
beanie@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 196d
America didn’t win the wars, you putz, lol. If anything, you cowards ( and you’ve always been cowards) caused them to go on longer than they otherwise would have. And we don’t fight for the King. We fight in his name, and have never answered to him. He answers to us. You dipshits wouldn’t know about that, though because you’re too busy bending the knee to a madman, pretending that you ever have or would ever scrounge up the guts to fight tyranny And here’s a history lesson for you and your likewise illiterate brethren. 1776 wasn’t about freedom or democracy. If it were, there would have been built in protections that could be properly utilized in a crises. Both Britain and the Commonwealth realms had and have far superior systems. You muppets are falling apart from the inside out, and have no one to blame but yourselves. You fucked up from the Reagan era on, so couldn’t even manage a half century as a superpower before you were already in decline. Pathetic little muppets.
HermitBee@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 196d
Just so I understand properly, are you saying Americans are better than Canadians because your president is so appalling that he requires armed resistance?
Genuinely, I don't understand what the argument is here. How is having "something to resist" a good thing?
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 196d
Well if he's not careful, he might get SLAMMED.
nocteb@feddit.org · 6 pts · 196d
It's all a conspiracy by BigStraw
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 197d
No one's running out of straw!
dhork@lemmy.world · 144 pts · 197d
Sigh. I keep reminding people that the 25th Amendment was not meant for this. It was meant for when a President is physically incapacitated. Like, if a President was shot in the head, and is still alive, but in a coma. Because all the President has to do is say "Naw, I'm good", and he gets his office back. If the VP and Cabinet still agree, it takes a 2/3 majority of both Houses to make the expulsion stick. And even then, the VP carries in as "Acting President", which is not formally defined anywhere.
Impeachment is the way to handle this. It has a lower threshold. It doesn't require the VP or Cabinet to sign off first, and only needs 1/2 the House to start the process. And once the President is removed from office by 2/3 of the Senate, the VP becomes the actual President, no "acting" involved.
m4xie@lemmy.ca · 57 pts · 197d
What is impeachment usually meant to do? Because he's been impeached twice and here he is.
Klox@lemmy.world · 66 pts · 197d
Colloquially it is also meant to include conviction by the Senate. Impeach + convict. But yes, Republicans have been assholes for many decades. It still needs to happen though, so it is what continues to get demanded.
dhork@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 197d
Impeachment is meant as a check on an Imperial Presidency. In the Constitution, it is supposed to be triggered in response to "High Crimes and Misdemeanors". It leaves to Congress what that means. So it does not have to be a chargeable crime. The President is supposed to uphold the Constitution, and Treaties like the NATO treaty are supposed to have the same force as the Constitution. Threatening to attack our allies should count as impeachable.
However, he has been impeached twice and failed because Republicans in Congress have his back. In particular, the second time around McConnell said that Trump deserved punishment, but it was better done in the courts. Then Surprise! the Courts said the only way to hold a sitting President to account was through impeachment. It was an ouroborous of letting him off the hook.
We may have to live with the fact that there is no way to fix this, other than voters (or God Himself) intervening, as long as Republicans are too chickenshit to stand up to Trump.
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 197d
It would lead to his removal, but it got cockblocked by the Senate. As intended.
For those that don't know. The Senate purely represents old money. They were created as a check/balance to keep citizens from taking away wealth, privilege, and power from the ruling class.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 197d
The British House of Lords used to hold the same sort of power with their ability to veto anything passed by the House of Commons. The House of Commons took this veto power away, but unfortunately they were only able to do this by getting the King to threaten to ennoble hundreds of new people and overwhelm the power of the traditional Lords. Our (US) current King would of course never agree to any such thing.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 197d
That's a fascinating historical nugget. I wonder if he would have actually gone through with it? That would have been hilarious. How would they get picked?
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
He (King George V) would have done it (in 1911). Asquith (the Prime Minister) told him that his father (King Edward VII) had promised to do it before his death in 1910 and King George assented. Asquith actually prepared lists with hundreds of names on them.
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 197d
Which is why the House is often called "the People's House".
AbsolutelyNotAVelociraptor@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 197d
For what I know, impeaching him means the house will vote to send him home. If the vote doesn't pass, he won't go home.
baronvonj@piefed.social · 10 pts · 197d
Impeachment is the House voting to put the President on trial in the Senate. The Senate is then to hear the evidence and vote whether or not to remove the President from office. Trump was impeached twice but the Senate voted partisanly to keep him in office both times.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 197d
Dementia is physical incapacitation.
nexguy@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 197d
It never says physically incapacitated at all. It says:
"unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office"
If the president has a stroke and becomes a psychotic menace. Nervous breakdown and won't leave his room...all sorts of things.
dhork@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 197d
That's the text all right, but the text also says that all the President has to do is present Congress with a "written declaration that no inability exists" to get his job back. So as long as the President has the mental acuity to write a letter, he gets his job back. Not a high bar at all, and your "psychotic menace" or "nervous breakdown" Presidents can still write a letter.
nocteb@feddit.org · 4 pts · 197d
dhork@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 197d
Yes, and that process involves a higher threshold (2/3 of both houses) than impeachment (1/2 of the House and 2/3 of the Senate). It also needs the VP to agree.
So if impeachment won't work, then this won't work either.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 197d
Honestly, if you can get 2/3 to agree, they shouldn't need to have any qualifying condition. That should just be the bar for getting fired even if enough people simply don't like him being there.
arrow74@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 197d
That's already how it works with impeachment. You need 1/2 of the house and 2/3rds of the Senate to agree to remove. You are describing what already exists
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 197d
That's why there's been several impeachments in the last 20 years but nobody has left office.
I'm talking about straight up ejection from the moment the vote is validated type of stuff. Not the beginning to a hopelessly long series of trials and further votes. Just a one vote, done thing that could easily be official before the pres even know it might be likely.
Presidents are far too comfy as far as job security goes. They should be at risk of being fired literally every second if enough people agree that they're a fuck-up. And depending on the reason the vote happens, they should be notified they're fired by a surprise pair of handcuffs. None of this long drawn out shit. The fastest thing possible in reference should be fitting the leader.
nocteb@feddit.org · 2 pts · 197d
If his condition is in decline and this is not the last stupid thing he does it might become more likely.
jacksilver@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Except for the 25th you have his cabinet turning on him first, and that's a big deal. If his cabinet doesn't have faith in him, I would suspect that the house and senate would see that as a big deal.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 197d
Right, because that's possible.
grue@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 197d
You're 100% right on the mechanics of it, but only 90% right overall. There is one small thing you might not be considering: Republicans might be more supportive of removing an "incapacitated" president than impeaching a tyrannical one because of the less damaging connotation of it.
dhork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 197d
Doubt it. Reagan likely had Alzheimer's while President, nobody cared.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 197d
The worst of his dysfunction came late in his Presidency. He wasn't demanding crazy shit publicly, so no one really wanted to kick him out, they just let me move on naturally.
grue@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 197d
Did Reagan threaten war with NATO?
dhork@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 197d
No, but he did declare war on an island
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 197d
And he was 77 when he left office, a year younger than Trump was when he started this term!
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 197d
Excellent point. They aren't admitting that their party failed America, just that their beloved candidate is having a serious health issue. There's no shame in that.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 196d
Or, historically, his wife claims he's good, but can't speak to anyone directly, so she would talk with him away from everyone and come back with his feedback.
I predict Stephen Miller would be the one to assume that role this time.
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
I'm certain Stephen Miller has already assumed other wifely duties for Trump, so this wouldn't be a stretch.
jacksilver@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
I like you're assumption that's not already happening. Trump doesn't have the capacity to orchestrate what's currently going on, there is definitely multiple people using him for their own interests.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Sure, but as yet he remains the mouthpiece.
If he either falls apart or even worse, somehow grows a conscience, then they will isolate him and speak on his behalf.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 197d
Impeachment was attempted after the Jan. 6th Insurrection, if it didn't work when he was trying to monkeywrench the levers of power by subverting the confirmation of the vote, and it won't work now. He's been shooting his stupid mouth off for decades, being old doesn't necessarily make him demented despite very obvious signs of aging poorly.
dhork@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 197d
You're absolutely correct. But people need to realize that the 25th amendment is not a viable option. The threshold for action via the 25th Amendment is higher. If impeachment won't work, the 25th amendment won't either.
gointhefridge@lemmy.zip · 44 pts · 197d
It’s obviously not that critical cause they make you pay to read it.
devolution@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 197d
Trump sent
DenmarkNorway a letter claiming they owe him Greenland for him not getting the Nobel Peace prize.Kirp123@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 197d
I thought he sent it to Norway. Either way Norway doesn't control Greenland and Denmark has no say in the Nobels.
devolution@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 197d
I got the country wrong but regardless, wtf right?
can@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 197d
I had no paywall. Here's an archive link.
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 41 pts · 197d
Archive link
TL;DR: The US president is the walking talking definition of "Main Character Syndrome" (because he is quite possibly the biggest narcissist in recorded history). Because of this, he is risking the dissolution of NATO, and a possible global conflict, seemingly because Norway did not give him a medal. His letter to the Norway PM below:
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 28 pts · 197d
Adding the following:
This, to me, is probably the scariest thing. I told my wife awhile back that the difference between people like Mitch McConnell and MTG was that McConnell knew he was pedaling bullshit to get what he wanted. He just didn't have any ethics. MTG (and Boebert, maybe Gym Jordan, and certainly Trump and plenty more) genuinely think that bullshit is true.
When that guy showed up looking for the child hostages at that DC area pizza place w/ his AR-15 and found out the place had no basement , McConnell privately laughed at the idiot people like him had created. The MTGs of the world figured he just had the wrong pizza place, but went on believing that prominent Democrats were harvesting the blood of children! If enough people like that get in charge of a country like the US, then all bets are truly off. That's not hyperbole. They are the kind of people who can be convinced that a country can win a nuclear war, because God would be on their side.
I'm not saying we're headed for a nuclear confrontation. It would have to be a means to an end for someone who can convince the President of the need to achieve that end, and I can't think of any billionaires who need a nuclear war. Yet. Still, it's important to recall that this president did once consider nuking a hurricane. I'm sure anyone on the right, and many on the left, will say he was just kidding. But looking at the context of that conversation, I don't know if that assessment is fully accurate.
Edit: formatting, grammar
First_Thunder@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 197d
There are billionaires who seek nuclear war though. You can argue that Peter Thiel (knows about the antichrist) actually wants a large collapse because he has some technobabble belief that he’ll come out on top
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 8 pts · 197d
There are certainly billionaires who want Curtis Yarvin’s stupid predictions to come true, but I haven’t seen any of them advocating for nuclear holocaust. Not even Thiel. Not saying I’d be surprised to see it. “Love, Death, & Robots” had a disturbingly believable post-apocalyptic skit that covered how some powerful people might think they can survive something like that.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 197d
This post goes perfect with your username
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 197d
I think its time for the second ammendment if you ask me.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 4 pts · 196d
Gun nuts are awfully quiet, because the reason they hoard guns suddenly arrived, but not in the form of a black man on their property
inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 197d
Blah, blah, blah.
Just like last time, no one did anything and this time will be no different.
The blind allegiance to power is too strong.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 196d
The problem is the world became to reliant on one country. I hope this means it won't happen again. But it well cause money consolidates.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 196d
Dude defunded NPR and they still bootlick nonstop. The indoctrination is deep.
collar@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 196d
Correct. Also permanent removal via 25th is actual harder than impeachment and removal because you will eventually need 2/3rds of each house of Congress. The 25th amendment is not a short circuit to impeachment.
What we need is Congress to signal to Trump a real, actual threat of impeachment. He would have to change course, and if he didn't then he should be removed
Woht24@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 196d
Zink@programming.dev · 26 pts · 196d
If they ever remove this ass from office, it will probably just be the final compromise to somehow still not release the epstein files.
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 197d
25th time someone says we should use the 25th amendment.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 197d
In the year 2525, if anyone's left alive....
m3t00@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 197d
dude makes enemies everywhere. bonkers.
seerdomin1983@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 196d
American democracy is a sham. Too many influencers and voters that are too easily influenced.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 196d
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 196d
Just like every other country on the planet...
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 196d
Will never happen, the Republicans would have to admit all his executive orders are tainted. They kept Reagan's dementia quiet for 2 years.
ironhydroxide@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 195d
Regan wasn't constantly posting on trump social and refusing to listen to his handlers.
Not saying that repubes will do anything but what they've already done, just that it's much harder for them to keep the dimentiadon quiet than it was Regan.
boolean_sledgehammer@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 196d
What we need is the complete eradication of all government staff appointed by or associated with the Trump administration. Every Republican who voted with him, every Democrat who did the same.
Once that is done, a Manhattan Project sized initiative of judicial reprisal is enacted towards every single person who enabled the Trump administration. The Heritage Foundation is raided and staff is brought up on charges of insurrection. Fox News and the entirety of the right wing noise machine starts facing hard legal, financially devastating consequences for deliberately lying to the public. They, and all other news outlets are kept on a short leash until the heat death of the fucking universe. Corporate personhood is revoked, corporate lobbying is made illegal, and billionaires are taxed until they are brought to heel.
None of this will matter until the people responsible are fleeing for their lives.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 195d
Be careful hitting them too hard in the pockets as it could have pre-WW2 type economic effects amongst hundred of thousands of people who could get really violent and try to overthrow the government (again)
Just guillotine em and be done with it.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 1 pts · 195d
Couldn't the newly raised tax revenue be used by the government to prop up the economy and mitigate the effects? I'm admittedly not particularly familiar with the effects you mention, nor how they came about.
Insekticus@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 195d
It's more so that the economic devastation of hyperinflation after WW1 created a very angry population, and that pushed a lot of people into the arms of the nazis.
My comment was more of a facetious take that the people should just put the wealthy elite 6 feet under, so we dont have to worry about them using their connections to get revenge.
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 195d
You make a convincing point
BanMe@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 196d
We've been here before so many times. France is the only country with any mettle. The rest of Europe is going to wail about "not escalating things" and there will go Greenland, and effectively NATO, which is just what... huh which country wants that gone again? Surely not a country that has been shown to manipulate Trump.
DacoTaco@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
Problem is that if it would get to war, trump and his loonies stay in power because of a ongoing war and crisis state. Not escalating things is very important to do.
However, that does not mean we can not support greenland if it would come to him invading. We just shouldnt push him to go there.
Also, if anything, its america that should fix america. Not the rest of the world
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 197d
"Not now. Just give him a bit more rope and he'll surely hang himself this time!"
ClownStatue@piefed.social · 14 pts · 197d
This seems to be the world's approach to Trump, and I fear it will backfire on all of us. This is not how you successfully deal with bullies.
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 197d
Archive
https://archive.li/YFBK3
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 196d
sonofearth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Just use anti-paywal filter in ublock or adguard or brave or adblock plus.
just_another_person@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 196d
Ad Blocker
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 196d
just_another_person@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 196d
uBlock, dawg
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 196d
just_another_person@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 196d
Sure, so nothing then. Got it. 🙄
Routhinator@startrek.website · 5 pts · 196d
Literally just:
ScoffingLizard@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 196d
Anyone know why there is an https error on this link?
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
mvirts@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 196d
Maybe.... In 2027 👀
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 196d
Who's the next scapegoat puppet they have lined up?
Areldyb@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 195d
I'm not a lawyer, but anyone saying "it's time for the 25th amendment" doesn't know shit about the 25th amendment. Here's the text of section 4, which is the part that allows the president to be
removed from officedisempowered (I guess technically he'd still hold the office, I already said I'm not a lawyer):If you're illiterate or allergic to Constitution-speak, that means that the VP and a bunch of Cabinet members can get together and say "he can't do the job, he's not the President anymore", but the President can just say "yes I can and yes I am" and it doesn't count. If they really want to fight over it, it goes to Congress to decide, and if Congress wanted to get rid of Trump they would have already.
It's not a viable option, and anyone telling you it is is badly misinformed at best.
C1pher@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 195d
How will transferring power to the JVance help?
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 2 pts · 195d
He's not demented. Trump is not planing beyond the next week. Soon he will start threatening countries will nukes and demanding payment directly to his personal bank account. Vance will be equally evil but you avoid the risk of him nuking someone in the middle of the night because of what he read on Truth Social.
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 195d
No one gives a shit about Vance.
SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 196d
Yeah, that isn't going to happen. The billionaires are getting exactly what they want. The Christians are getting a lot of what they want. They're going to keep him in power for as long as possible.
Oh, yeah. There won't be an election. Or if there is, the fix is in.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 196d
With a mortar launcher
Cyberflunk@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 197d
Paywall.
just_another_person@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 197d
Ad Blocker
crusa187@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 197d
Hehehe liberals, when are you gonna get it through your thick skulls - the Trump Regime doesn’t give a flying fuck about the rules, he wipes his ass with the constitution in the morning before downing a Big Mac with a side of western rules based order for breakfast.
The only way this monster is leaving office is if the people rise up and force him to do so. Congress will not save us - hell, most of them are part of this problem of cancerous end stage capitalism and need to be deposed as well.
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 197d
AFAIK the military still cares about rules. So that's kind of a big reason to do the necessary legwork.
MrsDoyle@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 196d
He's the head of the military isn't he? So according to the rules, they must obey him.
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 196d
Exactly. So when a new president is sworn in, even if Trump and his cronies don't care, the military will still follow the new Presidents orders and will have no legal reason to follow Trumps.
At least, hypothetically.