They may have also meant using the 25th amendment to remove the president like their legal system allows for if Congress and the Senate weren't completely bought by the fascist billionaire class that owns the presidency as well.
JD would love it though. Guy cannot wait to get promoted and gets a lil pep in his step every time Trump has yet another mystery hospital visit. Literally the only upside of Trump making it through his full term is that JD wouldn't get the satisfaction of being president.
I think we need a better word. Charisma feels so weird in this context. It's more like dung beetles being attracted to shit, or roaches slurping up rotten food waste. Trump's got no rizz. The shit-king attracts his children.
All freedom of speech means is that it isn't a crime to say things (with some exceptions such as plotting violence, which can and will get you thrown in jail). It doesn't mean it won't land you in hot water otherwise - such as getting the attention of the FBI.
Vance does not have the cult leader credentials. If he pulled a "Let's take Greenland" out of his ass, he wouldn't have the same spell to keep 30% of approval.
That's why many authoritarian regimes fall after the death of the charismatic leader.
And yes, the root cause of Trump appearing in the political scene go beyond himself and point towards structural problems of US society. But now he has this power, it's a fact that his death will cause a great loss to the political power of the MAGA movement, and it'll be very hard for any successor to keep this coalition in power, specially considering they're already fighting among themselves.
Congress was envisioned to jealously guard their own power. They have been eager to abdicate their power and responsibility to the Executive to avoid political fallout (so that they can stay in office capitalizing off the position) for decades before Trump was on the scene.
The Supreme Court has absolutely no legal oversight, and even publication of their corruption has not moved them to impose any code of ethics on themselves.
The two parties both conspire to deliver us to the same monied interests, just with different flavors of icing on top.
Trump is the culmination of the rot in the system, he is not the source of it. There is no realistic way for the system to go on, even if Trump keels over tomorrow. Regardless of if Vance can command the cult when Trump dies, the system must be greatly reformed/ overhauled.
"Charismatic leadership" is an expression often used in political theory to describe leaders who are able to agrue a personal following and use it for political gain, in a level unlike that of most politicians, to whom support is way more conditional.
It' doesn't necessarily mean the same as "approachable" , or anything that "charismatic" usually is used to describe. It's been used to describe figures as awful as Hitler or Mussolini.
Legal doesn't matter when the secret service starts harassing people for saying things like "Trump should go to trial," it'll have the chilling effect it's supposed to unless people fight back by saying things like "it's not illegal to wish the President of the United States were dead."
It's well known that SS protocol during an active shooter situation is to allow the presumed target to rise above all the bodies protecting him, while making a perfectly timed fist raised gesture directly to the camera that happened to snap the perfect shot of the ketchup packet bursting.
I swear, these are every bit as dumb as maga’s conspiracy theories. If that’s where they wanted the flag for the picture, why didn’t they just start with the flag there? Why lower it just in time? Was the Qanon flag lowering operator on the radio with the photographer coordinating the position and timing? Or, just maybe, big-ass flags that are suspended from cranes by only the top two corners just kind of move up and down in the wind.
Do you really believe that the same stupid motherfuckers who ended up having a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping were capable of staging an assassination attempt where two other people actually died and the only gap in their performance was a ham-fisted flag maneuver for the photo op?
Actually, no. Technically they have guns because their government didn't want to pay for a standing army (they've still changed their mind, in case you didn't follow US politics too closely).
They've just been making innumerable wacky excuses since then to try and make us believe that having 35 rifles and 122 handguns was perfectly normal.
That kind of situation is a nice demonstration that economic theories which rely on people acting logically (Smith, Marx, etc.) are not true. People are mostly driven by intangible factors like ideology, loyalty, and complacency.
The front page of every newspaper in the country has never so desperately needed an obituary on it.
Now I know what you might be thinking: never? What about that one time in the 1940s? Not even then, because even if that fucker LIVED he was on the cusp of capture. He was no longer a threat even before his obituary showed up
This time I have no faith or hope that the threat may actually be nullified at all otherwise.
It's NOT illegal to form an alternative government of the United States as a micronation with a distinct name, flag, anthem and coat of arms and such (and you can still pay taxes to the current US government and call that "aid"). Forming a micronation is NOT the same as being a sovereign citizen.
The problem is that you can't form a micronation out of land that belongs to a nation already, unless that nation cedes it to you. Until that point, you are still subject to the laws of wherever you are.
To anyone reading this: Russian, Chinese, (even American) bots and agitators are astroturfing all over social media to get America to spin out into more violence. It's been well documented for almost a decade now. Please think about "who" (or what) is posting all these calls to violence.
Defending oneself from being attacked is different than actively committing violence unprovoked. Please just think about this. Having said all that, every American should still arm themselves and know how to use it.
There's a lot of grey area there. I mean you personally or close family/friends being in illegal imminent danger of bodily harm, not just generally something you saw on social media that made you mad.
Yeah I can't comment on calling for violence there for obvious reasons. I hope you actually go outside and experience things firsthand instead of just browsing social media.
I mean you personally or close family/friends being in illegal imminent danger of bodily harm, not just generally something you saw on social media that made you mad.
if social media oversamples for the number of people in imminent danger, what's your method to avoid undersampling? because outside of those who would trust you with their life and call on you to protect them, the people around you who fall into this category aren't going to just casually mention "i'm in danger from the state" for what I really hope should be obvious reasons.
To avoid undersampling, look at what's happening in your local community. Be aware of shit going down, support those who need food, shelter, protection. And in cases where necessary (there's a huge decision making process at this point), use defensive force when legally able.
If there's no legal method to oppose all the unlawful shit the administration is doing violence is all that's left. Democrats need to get off their asses and start doing something or shit is going to hit the fan. It's not like any of Trump's goons have a problem being violent or killing people.
Well the rest of the world wanted the us population to learn from the 2016-2020 idiots first term, but instead they said "Fuck you, cunts. Lol" and then the majority of them either voted for that thing, or enabled it by not voting or protest voting. So that option is off the table.
Trying to appease the orange paedo does fuck all because he's basically a schoolyard bully. Give him an inch and he'll then rape your daughter then blame you for doing it. So the appeasement option is off the table.
There's absolutely no chance any fucker over there has the spine to bring him to justice. So that option is off the table.
The fact is the obese imbecile is so demented and broken that nothing will work.
When something is broken you either fix it, which is impossible. Or get rid of it...which is where we are now.
That's why the Epstein files are such a big deal and are really getting to him. He knows that's the one thing that will cause enough of his base to leave him, then he would be outta there. That's the best legal option America has.
Midterms are going to be rigged/canceled/whatever so I have low expectations for that.
Armed peaceful protests deter jack-booted cops like ICE from doing whatever they want. Nukes deter countries from getting invaded by their aggressive neighbors. Is this a serious question or are you being ignorant?
103 Comments
Tacitblue@lemmy.world · 110 pts · 212d
it's funny, we know what you're talking about. We can't say what your talking about as that may involve a meeting with the SS if you are american.
supernight52@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 212d
Funny thing is, you could mean Schutzstaffel, or Secret Service. No way to know in modern America.
Tacitblue@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 212d
Tomato / tomahto
Siethron@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 212d
Tomato/ toMATEo
chemicalprophet@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 212d
Potato po-dildo
macrua@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 212d
Gestaypo / gestapo
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Pedo / Trump
lividweasel@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
Gazpacho?
jackr@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 211d
dictätor dictátor?
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 211d
The American Schutzstaffel, or ASS.
abbiistabbii@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 102 pts · 212d
> Claims to be the land of Free Speech and the First Amendment.
> Can't make jokes about assassinating the US President.
Mycatiskai@lemmy.ca · 34 pts · 212d
They may have also meant using the 25th amendment to remove the president like their legal system allows for if Congress and the Senate weren't completely bought by the fascist billionaire class that owns the presidency as well.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
That's not going to happen.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 211d
JD would love it though. Guy cannot wait to get promoted and gets a lil pep in his step every time Trump has yet another mystery hospital visit. Literally the only upside of Trump making it through his full term is that JD wouldn't get the satisfaction of being president.
Alpha71@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
Except JD has nowhere near the level of charisma that trump had.
SeductiveTortoise@piefed.social · 9 pts · 211d
I think we need a better word. Charisma feels so weird in this context. It's more like dung beetles being attracted to shit, or roaches slurping up rotten food waste. Trump's got no rizz. The shit-king attracts his children.
borkborkbork@piefed.social · 6 pts · 211d
he's got racist charisma. it only works with racists, but holy hell does it work there.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 126d
racisma
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 126d
maybe "good at bullshitting"?
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 211d
So he has less than a pile of elephant shit? Thats rough.
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 211d
You have freedom of speech, just not freedom after speech.
IncogCyberSpaceUser@piefed.social · 6 pts · 211d
Wouldn't that apply anywhere? Even in North Korea you're physically able to say whatever you want. What happens after is the problem.
nao@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 210d
freedom of speech does not imply freedom before, during or after speech
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 210d
All freedom of speech means is that it isn't a crime to say things (with some exceptions such as plotting violence, which can and will get you thrown in jail). It doesn't mean it won't land you in hot water otherwise - such as getting the attention of the FBI.
damnedfurry@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
You want to run this one through the ol' noggin another time or two? lol
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 211d
Its a sarcastic critique on authoritarian regimes that claim to have free speech, i.e. PRC, Russia, and now the current US Admin.
basket@pie.gravitywell.xyz · 3 pts · 211d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KivCRqfFcqY
HellieSkellie@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 65 pts · 212d
cheesybuddha@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 212d
That's illegal!
Agent641@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 211d
A mortar, you say?
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 211d
RIP Trevor Moore. You were the Syd Barrett of American Comedy. Shine on, you crazy local sexpot.
SkaveRat@discuss.tchncs.de · 3 pts · 211d
I didn't even know they made it in liquid form
LaunchesKayaks@lemmy.world · 59 pts · 211d
LumiNocta@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 211d
Bubbaonthebeach@lemmy.ca · 54 pts · 211d
Rather than a front page obit wouldn't it be great if Congress and Senate just did their job and legally removed him.
daannii@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 211d
Lutoures@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 211d
Vance does not have the cult leader credentials. If he pulled a "Let's take Greenland" out of his ass, he wouldn't have the same spell to keep 30% of approval.
That's why many authoritarian regimes fall after the death of the charismatic leader.
And yes, the root cause of Trump appearing in the political scene go beyond himself and point towards structural problems of US society. But now he has this power, it's a fact that his death will cause a great loss to the political power of the MAGA movement, and it'll be very hard for any successor to keep this coalition in power, specially considering they're already fighting among themselves.
NewSocialWhoDis@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 210d
Congress was envisioned to jealously guard their own power. They have been eager to abdicate their power and responsibility to the Executive to avoid political fallout (so that they can stay in office capitalizing off the position) for decades before Trump was on the scene.
The Supreme Court has absolutely no legal oversight, and even publication of their corruption has not moved them to impose any code of ethics on themselves.
The two parties both conspire to deliver us to the same monied interests, just with different flavors of icing on top.
Trump is the culmination of the rot in the system, he is not the source of it. There is no realistic way for the system to go on, even if Trump keels over tomorrow. Regardless of if Vance can command the cult when Trump dies, the system must be greatly reformed/ overhauled.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 210d
...I can't fucking believe anyone considers that dimwit charismatic
Lutoures@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 210d
"Charismatic leadership" is an expression often used in political theory to describe leaders who are able to agrue a personal following and use it for political gain, in a level unlike that of most politicians, to whom support is way more conditional.
It' doesn't necessarily mean the same as "approachable" , or anything that "charismatic" usually is used to describe. It's been used to describe figures as awful as Hitler or Mussolini.
i_ben_fine@midwest.social · 2 pts · 210d
Turns out "charismatic" just means "spewing constantly without filter"
yakko@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 211d
Starts to look like a lot of men need killing.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 211d
mumblerfish@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 212d
It's nice to see that the "in minecraft" meme has evolved to not even mentioning what to do at all, that we all just know fairly well anyway.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 211d
It's NOT illegal to say "with a mortar launcher' because it's definitely an incomplete sentence.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Legal doesn't matter when the secret service starts harassing people for saying things like "Trump should go to trial," it'll have the chilling effect it's supposed to unless people fight back by saying things like "it's not illegal to wish the President of the United States were dead."
i_ben_fine@midwest.social · 1 pts · 210d
aren't those the guys who handle counterfeit money?
Alfredolin@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 210d
With a mortar!?? That would be funny as fuck! And I always wonder and think it requires skills to correctly handle a mortar.
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 24 pts · 212d
Someone did try, but he missed, ensuring his win unfortunately...
RaoulDuke85@piefed.social · 17 pts · 212d
I seriously doubt it was an actual attempt. Funny how fast his ear healed.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 211d
It's well known that SS protocol during an active shooter situation is to allow the presumed target to rise above all the bodies protecting him, while making a perfectly timed fist raised gesture directly to the camera that happened to snap the perfect shot of the ketchup packet bursting.
Duh.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 211d
Don't forget the flag that was lowered into frame for the picture.
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 211d
I swear, these are every bit as dumb as maga’s conspiracy theories. If that’s where they wanted the flag for the picture, why didn’t they just start with the flag there? Why lower it just in time? Was the Qanon flag lowering operator on the radio with the photographer coordinating the position and timing? Or, just maybe, big-ass flags that are suspended from cranes by only the top two corners just kind of move up and down in the wind.
Do you really believe that the same stupid motherfuckers who ended up having a press conference at Four Seasons Total Landscaping were capable of staging an assassination attempt where two other people actually died and the only gap in their performance was a ham-fisted flag maneuver for the photo op?
Duranie@leminal.space · 8 pts · 212d
With not the slightest mark left behind!
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
Bad lifestyle will take care of trump. The guy has one foot in the grave already. It's the billionaires backing him and Vance that need to be removed.
Nanowith@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 211d
Isn't this what you guys have guns for?
I hope people are organising at the very least.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Actually, no. Technically they have guns because their government didn't want to pay for a standing army (they've still changed their mind, in case you didn't follow US politics too closely).
They've just been making innumerable wacky excuses since then to try and make us believe that having 35 rifles and 122 handguns was perfectly normal.
HexadecimalSky@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 212d
A friend of mine says it proves JFK wasn't a CIA conspiracy, bcs if it was...what about now?
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 212d
Because he's the type of guy the CIA wanted in charge and JFK wasn't.
TrojanRoomCoffeePot@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 211d
salacious_coaster@feddit.online · 16 pts · 211d
piccolo@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 211d
CIA only topples leftist governments and install facist dictatorships...
Grail@multiverse.soulism.net · 5 pts · 211d
That kind of situation is a nice demonstration that economic theories which rely on people acting logically (Smith, Marx, etc.) are not true. People are mostly driven by intangible factors like ideology, loyalty, and complacency.
Draegur@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 211d
I agree.
The front page of every newspaper in the country has never so desperately needed an obituary on it.
Now I know what you might be thinking: never? What about that one time in the 1940s? Not even then, because even if that fucker LIVED he was on the cusp of capture. He was no longer a threat even before his obituary showed up
This time I have no faith or hope that the threat may actually be nullified at all otherwise.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 16 pts · 212d
There are a few hundred "its"
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 211d
I think we can all narrow it down in this case.
GalacticSushi@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 211d
On the advice of my legal council, I invoke my rights specified in the 5th amendment.
morphballganon@mtgzone.com · 2 pts · 211d
Why settle though?
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 211d
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 14 pts · 211d
It would be super funny.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 211d
It's NOT illegal to form an alternative government of the United States as a micronation with a distinct name, flag, anthem and coat of arms and such (and you can still pay taxes to the current US government and call that "aid"). Forming a micronation is NOT the same as being a sovereign citizen.
SparroHawc@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 210d
The problem is that you can't form a micronation out of land that belongs to a nation already, unless that nation cedes it to you. Until that point, you are still subject to the laws of wherever you are.
Kaerkob@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 208d
agent_nycto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 210d
I'd like to see your research on this
CatalpaRed@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 211d
Enjoy some hibiscus tea?
Dorkyd68@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
No silly, assassinate the pope or whatever
Hupf@feddit.org · 3 pts · 211d
hungryphrog@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 211d
Anyone know what the plant is?
zd9@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 211d
Geiger Tree
Vile_port_aloo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
Get active.
robocall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 211d
better not fucking miss this time
Noturbuddy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 211d
https://youtu.be/0HXXmMojs_g?
zd9@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 212d
To anyone reading this: Russian, Chinese, (even American) bots and agitators are astroturfing all over social media to get America to spin out into more violence. It's been well documented for almost a decade now. Please think about "who" (or what) is posting all these calls to violence.
Defending oneself from being attacked is different than actively committing violence unprovoked. Please just think about this. Having said all that, every American should still arm themselves and know how to use it.
zea_64@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 212d
State violence is still violence, so self defense still applies.
zd9@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 211d
There's a huge gray area there, so follow your local laws when in doubt.
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 212d
zd9@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 211d
There's a lot of grey area there. I mean you personally or close family/friends being in illegal imminent danger of bodily harm, not just generally something you saw on social media that made you mad.
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 211d
The state itself is structural, institutionalized violence. Resistance to an inherently violent system is never unprovoked
zd9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Yeah I can't comment on calling for violence there for obvious reasons. I hope you actually go outside and experience things firsthand instead of just browsing social media.
TherapyGary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 211d
Naturally
colin@lemmy.uninsane.org · 2 pts · 211d
if social media oversamples for the number of people in imminent danger, what's your method to avoid undersampling? because outside of those who would trust you with their life and call on you to protect them, the people around you who fall into this category aren't going to just casually mention "i'm in danger from the state" for what I really hope should be obvious reasons.
zd9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 210d
To avoid undersampling, look at what's happening in your local community. Be aware of shit going down, support those who need food, shelter, protection. And in cases where necessary (there's a huge decision making process at this point), use defensive force when legally able.
mech@feddit.org · 16 pts · 212d
My post history should show I'm not a bot or agitator.
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 212d
Incredibly based.
lightnsfw@reddthat.com · 10 pts · 212d
If there's no legal method to oppose all the unlawful shit the administration is doing violence is all that's left. Democrats need to get off their asses and start doing something or shit is going to hit the fan. It's not like any of Trump's goons have a problem being violent or killing people.
Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 212d
At some point it's just self defence.
-Good
D_C@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 212d
Well the rest of the world wanted the us population to learn from the 2016-2020 idiots first term, but instead they said "Fuck you, cunts. Lol" and then the majority of them either voted for that thing, or enabled it by not voting or protest voting. So that option is off the table.
Trying to appease the orange paedo does fuck all because he's basically a schoolyard bully. Give him an inch and he'll then rape your daughter then blame you for doing it. So the appeasement option is off the table.
There's absolutely no chance any fucker over there has the spine to bring him to justice. So that option is off the table.
The fact is the obese imbecile is so demented and broken that nothing will work.
When something is broken you either fix it, which is impossible. Or get rid of it...which is where we are now.
zd9@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 211d
That's why the Epstein files are such a big deal and are really getting to him. He knows that's the one thing that will cause enough of his base to leave him, then he would be outta there. That's the best legal option America has.
Midterms are going to be rigged/canceled/whatever so I have low expectations for that.
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 126d
the fucking irony of this comment
ashenone@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 212d
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · -1 pts · 212d
I agree. Violent rhetoric needs to stop. Guns, just like nukes, should be used primarily only for deterrence.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 2 pts · 211d
What exactly are they deterring?
BaroqueInMind@piefed.social · 1 pts · 211d
Armed peaceful protests deter jack-booted cops like ICE from doing whatever they want. Nukes deter countries from getting invaded by their aggressive neighbors. Is this a serious question or are you being ignorant?
Raiderkev@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 212d
On the off chance you might be talking about this, just know, it's illegal to say. See below scholarly explanation.
https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 211d
Yes an American someone should suck my dick.
TheLeadenSea@sh.itjust.works · -8 pts · 212d
I agree! We should kill all immigrants! /very much sarcasm
Hazel@piefed.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 212d
You're well on your way!