cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ca/post/58978579
The online survey of 1,002 U.S. adults was conducted between Jan. 13 and 15. It found that 66 per cent of respondents want Canada to remain an independent nation
17 per cent of Americans want the U.S. to annex Canada: survey
https://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/article/17-per-cent-of-americans-want-the-us-to-annex-canada-survey/
104 Comments
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 125 pts · 210d
17% of Americans can throw themselves directly into a volcano.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 210d
pretty sure they'd need assistance on that, so, eh. you know.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 210d
You think one of those rascal scooters could make it to the summit?
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 210d
nope. they're gonna have to hire sherpas or something.
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 210d
I bet I could find some folks willing to do it for free out of the goodness of their hearts.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 210d
"I don't want muh tax dollars going to foreigners!"
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 210d
I have a feeling many of them would miss.
madjo@piefed.social · 3 pts · 210d
After they've fucked themselves with a cactus
Tehbaz@lemmy.wtf · 51 pts · 210d
17 percent of Americans need lobotomies.
pwalshj@lemmy.world · 44 pts · 210d
They seem to be way ahead of you
anomnom@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 209d
Yeah lobotomies are redundant for those morons.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 210d
Even if 100 percent of then wanted to they still wouldn't have a moral claim over it.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 3 pts · 210d
I dunno. Seeing as they have a large region there that shares a name with my tribe. Where many used to live. Maybe they could let a few of us in.
Catoblepas@piefed.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 210d
Isn’t that what the Jay Treaty is for?
Eldritch@piefed.world · 3 pts · 210d
Heh don't know, but I should probably check.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 210d
Do you think you'll enter with the same rights you have now or the same rights they have. Or will you have a much lower, second class or third class rights.
Eldritch@piefed.world · 0 pts · 210d
Hard to say. As let's be clear here, Canada has had just as problematic a past with first nations. And are currently dealing with their own fascist insurgence. But when the time comes. Dying to fascists leaves you with zero rights.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 210d
Sounds like you're an expert in these matters
Eldritch@piefed.world · 1 pts · 209d
Oh, Hell no, just a pragmatist looking and taking stock of all their options in the face of an oncoming shitstorm. Chances are I'm going to stick it out here with family.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 210d
Is it bad if I want Canada to annex Minnesota? (where I happen to live.)
alquicksilver@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 210d
Yeah, I don't entirely object to the reverse (as long as California is adopted into the family), but making Canada part of the US? No thank you. Fucking crab bucket mentality; can't let other people have nice things.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 4 pts · 210d
Let's respect the borders! Northern States for Canada, Southwest States for Mexico 😁
🤔🤔🤔 And Florida for Cuba 😁😁😁
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 210d
What has Cuba done to deserve that kind of punishment?
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 2 pts · 210d
I said Florida, not Floridians😁😁😁
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 210d
I'm sure they can work something out.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 210d
As a Canadian I like visiting Minnesota and it feels like a real shame not to be able to visit there right now because of all the fascism. I think many Minnesotans would fit in quite well among Canadians. But there are also some horrible reactionary elements there. Perhaps persuade them to move to Texas first.
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 210d
Let’s just tell them all that Canadian electricity will make their kids gay.
Or maybe we blame all that fresh air you send our way.
AlligatorBlizzard@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 210d
Fugly Grey Duck
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 27 pts · 210d
Canadian here: FUCK. OFF.
Bustedknuckles@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 210d
American here - I wish we would
porcoesphino@mander.xyz · 22 pts · 210d
So many US sources say shit like "only 17 %" as if this is a low value. It's infuriating
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 210d
And saying 66% don't want the USA to annex Canada as if that's in any way a reassuringly low number.
stoicmaverick@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 210d
I think the wording is meant to contrast how few Americans actually want it, vs, how much Trump wants it, who, as president, should, in theory as an elected figure, represent the majority opinion of the people. So, they are calling attention to the fact that it's a low number, but for a different reason than your reading.
porcoesphino@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 209d
Obviously that is part of what they are saying, they just haven't taken the care to exclude the "we are proud of the US since only 1/5 of us want to take Canada". In a situation like this, you'd expect more care. And this isn't a slight one off, it's very common type of comment for commentary about the US, particularly domestically.
All they had to do was swap these paragraphs and it would help the implication:
Far better to be explicit and state what you mean:"17 per cent of respondents said they want Canada to be a U.S. territory or state, indicating low domestic popularity". But even then, for an international audience that is a horrifyingly large amount of domestic support that if aligned with similar issues tends to include roughly 1/10 Democrats so any sort of "its just MAGA" is lies to help feel less bad about countryman.
Seriously, what are you doing defending this sort of indifference to clarity, and collateral insults, when discussing a head of state and country this egregious?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 210d
Fucking hell that's too high. They've been nothing but an excellent neighbor to us and they want to remain sovereign. This is just a demand for a forever war against old friends that will also result in us actually being attacked on our own soil for once. Because yeah, they know where our bases are and if we're invading they're going to use their modern military.
In fact, I'm angry at the term annex here. Annex is a word that feels neutral and like it could be bloodless, the word in question is invade or go to war with. Going to war with Canada would result in attacks on our cities. Civilians will die on both sides for no fucking gain. Billions of dollars in infrastructure will be wiped out for good reason and that's all assuming that nato stays neutral, which they've made pretty clear isn't the case. We need to start talking here with the people in our lives about how that's what "annexing" canada looks like, and make damn sure that we get into the 90+% range vociferously opposing this bullshit.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 209d
I think even many Canadians don't think it through. If we survive the initial invasion we will be deprived of education, healthcare, freedom of movement, democratic representation, autonomy, resources like water and electricity, employment and money. Some of us would be pulled out of our homes and disappeared or killed, particularly if we're vocal critics of the USA. We would be closely watched and guarded and met with violence at the first sign of resistance or noncompliance. Our children would be indoctrinated in school. Our scientific institutions would be shut down. Our friends and family, particularly anyone who is not a straight white cis Christian conservative, will be in constant danger. It won't be just an administrative handover that allows Canadians to get on with their lives. It will be brutal and punitive.
PlaidBaron@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 209d
Which is why violent, disruptive resistance would be the norm. I'm talking making the Taliban look like a relief organization. I would happily make sure Americans fear for their lives every second of every day if it ever came to that and I know Im not alone in that. If I had to die as a result, as long as I take out 10 Americans before I do I'd die happy.
In other words, terrorize the fuckers until they go home.
orbitz@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 209d
We would, but what other choice would we have if if happened? Just kowtow to the US? Fuck that. Would it suck and make everything horrible? Yes, but not like Ukraine had an option when their war started.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 209d
We need to figure out how a smallish, largely unarmed population could make a large, heavily armed force wish they had never met us.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 20 pts · 210d
The percentage of Americans– actually humans in general– who’re are just utterly irredeemably idiotic is above 17% in my estimation. So coming in less than that is a win in my book.
WamGams@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 210d
i think 20% probably are irredeemably stupid, another 20% could have been lifted up by better education and parenting.
blitzen@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 210d
I agree with you (20>17, as I suggested) but I honestly like that you put an optimistic spin on the rest.
flowers_galore2@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 210d
It’s about 40%, ie the amount of people who still approve of and would vote again for Trump, even after hiding his Epstein stuff, the warmongering, the scams and theft, the cuddling up with Russia etc etc.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 210d
That 17% is just the people who whole-hog wanted to annex Canada. There's an additional 16% that didn't care enough to have an opinion on it.
Is 1 in 3 more along the lines of what you were expecting?
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 20 pts · 210d
I was always kinda hopin' Canada would annex us instead.
corsicanguppy@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 210d
I've traveled to a few states and I think some of them would make fantastic provinces. Some of them have people very kind and friendly, and I like to think that fits well with Canadians.
Set it up! If you can get orange daddy to sign off on it (convince him it'll sway the vote to be more red with fewer blue in there) we'll be set!
You like bacon? You ever had sortilege?
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 210d
The top half of VT is basically Canada, heck a lot of them speak french already.
NauticalNoodle@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 209d
bacon and sortilege both sound nice.
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 210d
God no. Please Canada, don't join us! We are a dumpster fire right now. If we try yo gorce you, fight us!
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 210d
wait. Can I help? for. uh. citizenship?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 210d
No no no. Don't come TO America! If I could, I'd be LEAVING America!
FuglyDuck@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 210d
Imagine if you will, them coming here. And "here" becoming canadian.
minus all the fuckers. you know the ones.
daannii@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 209d
Probably 15% of those don't know what annex means
ArchLand@szmer.info · 3 pts · 209d
You propably meant about 88% of them.
daannii@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 208d
I meant 15 % of the total. So only 3% knew what annex meant and still wanted it. Sorry I should have clarified better
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 210d
17% of Americans are abjectly stupid
hector@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 210d
Nah, they are evangelical. Even worse.
nosuchanon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 210d
It’s at least 2x-3x that statistic. They are just even more ignorant or uninvolved in life outside of their small town.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 210d
Meanwhile I'm sitting here wishing Canada would annex the U.S.
Or at least New England. Not even the whole of New England. They can leave Connecticut behind. That may be better for everyone.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 210d
CT is fine as long as they leave behind Fairfield county.
JasonDJ@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 210d
That's basically New York, and New York is basically New Jersey.
hector@lemmy.today · 15 pts · 210d
25 pc of the president's base is evangelical. They want chaos, war, misery, to hasten the second coming (of angry vengeful jesus, none of that weak ass new testament bullshit,) where the faithful, them, get brought to heaven and the world drowns in lakes of blood and fire.
These people believe in nothing to advance the common good, the common good to them is pain, strife, and the end of the world.
Naturally they see the president and his puppet master in Israel making US and UK swells dance waving around tapes of them fucking children with epstein as a gift from god to bring on this rapture.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 210d
NGL I'd want Canada to annex us.
I'm in the PNW, it's a fairly common sentiment around here.
ChillPenguin@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 210d
I'm from MN, same here. Especially since the federal government despises us so much.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 210d
How about Canada Annexes the PNW and New England and the US annexes Alberta.
hector@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 210d
The upper midwest and ontario would be a good new country. Chicago to minnesota to michigan, all of michigan, huron, and superior.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 210d
It would have been a great country had it gone that way, and should Canada destabilize like the US maybe, but they've been pretty clear that they like being a whole country, and Ontario didn't join us in the 18th century, and they're unlikely to join up with some of us in the 21st. Also they definitely wouldn't want Indiana. That said the upper Midwest (Ohio to Minnesota, maybe even transappalacian Pennsylvania) would make for a pretty good country to be a close ally of canada
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 209d
I am 100 percent in agreement in leaving out Indiana. I would leave out ohio too, or just the northern third of illinois, indiana, ohio, and pennsylvania.
Because the south of those states are more confederate in nature. Idk pennslyvania though most is more eastern seaboard, the ne corridor cpuld be a couple countries, new england then ny to dc.
ragepaw@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 209d
You understand a big problem Canadians have with Americans, is that even when you disagree with your "leader", you're still talking about carving up our country.
You know we find that incredibly disrespectful, right?
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 209d
Pfft. Coming from the country whose geese flout our border controls with impunity, fake voting too I'm sure. Then you send all your lousy smokey air down here? Enough is enough. Build the Wall! Build the Wall! Build the Wall!
theacharnian@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 210d
How about you guys get your house in order, fix your stupid gun laws, and then we can talk about something like North American Schengen. Quebec City to Chicago in high speed rail sounds like fun, you know?
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 210d
That sounds lovely and like something I have argued for for my entire life and will continue to argue for. It's currently unclear if the US will splinter, but I dream of a day when high speed rail can take someone from Vancouver to Mexico City
GhostPain@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 210d
And those 17% couldn't find Canada on a map if their lives depended on it.
Arancello@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 210d
Well of course they do. Its just so unfair that Canadians get public health care, parental leave, good public education, no school shootings, and better treatment of citizens. Why should Canadians have a better lifestyle than american slaves?
deadbeef79000@lemmy.nz · 11 pts · 210d
I can only assume this 17% want to because they're just parroting their Dear Leader.
Any same person would ask "why?"
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 7 pts · 210d
I'm betting at least 10% would have trouble finding Canada on a globe. At least 5% would have trouble finding Canada on a map of North America.
favoredponcho@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 210d
stoicmaverick@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 210d
17% feels about right in my subjective experience.
TrickDacy@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 210d
This is questionable. Partially because the knuckle draggers who support trump largely wouldn't know what the word annex means.
Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 210d
That's why it's not that magical 33%
Chippys_mittens@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 210d
MagicShel@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 210d
Just like no one who wants to be President should ever be allowed to be.
Typotyper@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 210d
Who says people responded to the survey
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 210d
And how many percent of them hesitated to say that they agree with that?
njm1314@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 210d
Only 66% were against, so you can safely assume that other 34% all really think we should but some of them just were smart enough not to say it out loud.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 210d
Canada can easily kick that 17% of the US' ass, especially given all the infighting an invasion of Canada would cause.
Fuck it, those Americans really should come here and say that. See what happens.
BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 209d
I want Canada, Denmark, or almost anyone else to annex the US west coast.
Maybe Canada could trade Alberta with the US in exchange for Oregon, Washington, and California.
desmosthenes@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 210d
thoughtless 17% like putting old, shriveled, tiny, sodium filled, pedophilic, mushroom shaped things in their zyn filled mouths when told to
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 4 pts · 210d
Wait, it's actually that low? I would have thought it'd be at least 25%.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 210d
We're in the justifying war goal against Canada part of the event chain
Drusas@fedia.io · 3 pts · 210d
Based on some quick, small, online survey by some random website. Uh huh.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 209d
Considering you can get 30% of americans to agree with anything on a poll, 17% must be like the amount of americans who think like "autonomous" means "automobile maker" or something and are too embarrassed/overconfident to ask for clarification.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 210d
That is the amount of people we will have to disenfranchise when this is over. Probably just limit their rights to vote or enter in to a contract. Make sure they have no authority over anyone, especially a minor. The enemy of peace and stability has exposed themselves in the US and we have to render them harmless.
areakode@riskeratspizza.com · 5 pts · 210d
That's the problem with democracy. If you truly believe in democracy, then everyone's voices need to be heard.
Punishment won't work. We need to systematically change education to make any lasting difference.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
Nope there have always been people who didn't get to vote or participate. I'm just proposing we do that to the ones who are the problem.
ragepaw@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 209d
No. Not every voice needs to be heard. In a democracy, every voice should have the same opportunity to be heard. By saying every voice needs to be heard, you are saying everyone should listen to the fucknuts and assholes.
No.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 209d
These are clearly people with untreated traumatic head injuries. It would make sense to provide these people with better healthcare and reintroduce them into society when they can understand words or communicate that they don't understand words.
Itdidnttrickledown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
Where in the world do you arrive at head injury? These people lack empathy and any moral compass. They are of low intellgence. The are just mean and they spread hate and pain with anyone they contact. They create chaos and sow discord.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
One of the main side effects of head injuries is uncontrolled anger.
Ooops@feddit.org · 3 pts · 210d
Given the 4% Lizardman's Constant (and the additional 7% of the US who don't know where they stand on the matter of Lizardman ruling the world...) that's actually quite low.
ZMoney@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 209d
70% of Americans believe in angels. If you take the extreme end of that statistic you can just insert any crazy belief.
SirMaple__@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 210d
MehBlah@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 209d
What percentage want another country to take over the US? If that question isn't in that survey then its meaningless. Which it probably still would be no matter what. Most surveys target certain demographics to get the answers they want.
macaw_dean_settle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 210d
*percent.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 210d
That's the American spelling. Canadian English more often uses "per cent", like British English. But perhaps that was your point.
UncleArthur@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 209d
17% of Americans have read 'Night Probe' by Clive Cussler and think it's a history book.
sturmblast@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 210d
doubt