... I don't think the person fizz is talking about is Pizzacake. if you look at the source view on his post, it's the woman screaming during trump's first inauguration/announcement of election results
Not me, I very much felt the same way as she did. And I knew very well what the 2nd term would look like and so I was very sad when he did not get shot that one time. "Oh, how can you say that? He's not that bad." Blind fools the lot of you. It was always so very obvious if you had just cared to look.
There was another woman I think about sometimes who was very upset about maga hats and I thought she was overreacting. I also owe that woman an apology
Were they arguing that extra antivirus wasn’t necessary? Cause windows built in has been better than alternatives for years now (well, idk about 11, but 7, 8, and 10 all had good antivirus).
It's been long enough I don't think I could faithfully remember the details of their argument. I think they were insisting that no AV was needed at all though, not that Windows' built in protections are sufficient, which has indeed been true for a while.
That could have been me... I once had a virus in the 90s. I didn't know I had it until I took a floppy into the university to print something, and it alerted me. So I installed McAfee, it found and took care of this virus. Then a month later my PC wouldn't boot. Long story short, I had to remove McAfee to fix it. The experience stuck with me- antivirus has caused me more problems than any virus ever did. I have lived dangerously ever since. (Though before I run anything even slightly questionable, I will fire up a disposable VM)
My favorite is when you point out someone outside the USA lives in a country where they shouldn't be throwing stones in their glass house continue to do so.
Funny that the one thing all three scenarios have in common is: “misled people that vote”. I wanted to write “dumb and ignorant people voting” but I wanted to be generous
The big part is also well-meaning people not voting. There are more of those well-meaning people by volume, and they could've easily prevented all that, but they for one reason or another decided not to do that
As an autistic person who has a great skill of finding similarities between two things, you can see a lot of parallels between our modern world and 1940s Germany.
Unfortunately there are plenty more fascist regimes than Germany's to choose from as examples. Many didn't start a world war, and therefore lasted much, much longer than the Nazis did.
Which prediction exactly? The one about the current president becoming president, their writer was interviewed about, and he said they just chose him to symbolize the US hitting rock bottom. As they were smart and informed and therefore realized the then real estate mogul was a crooked lying cheater, that lied to steal and then slandered his victims to justify it, that was in bed with organized crime. I don't know if they knew that he was a career blackmailer, and also being blackmailed by Israel and their Epstein, and the Russians at a minimum though.
But the prediction isn't all that clairvoyant, because in their version the president just bankrupted us and then we elected Lisa, which would be a best case scenario as Lisa is a good person. While the president's party here will bankrupt the country, they are fixing elections, something the show didn't see, or put in the episode.
Also they laid it all out in project 2025. It's not like they tried to hide it other than trumps usual "I've never heard of it". And if you believe anything that shithead says.. well this is what happens
Yes, this is what drives me crazy. These fascist fuckers literally wrote down what they were going to do and then started doing exactly that. How could we have known? A mystery, for sure.
Disagree. This is the result of decades more bullshit from other american presidents, political figures, and 3 lettered organizations ran by ghoulish wastes of skin. There have been many famous people who have been outspoken about this shit in that time too. 9/11 and America’s batshit insane reaction to it was just more of the same dumb bullshit the rest of the world has come to expect from it’s governments and citizenry.
I posted 6 words. you somehow didn't read half of them.
And to be honest, @Serinus@lemmy.world is probably right, since I was thinking of the broader surveillance world etc, not the current offensive by Russia against the world.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn't enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven't. This is the first time we've had a president that wasn't at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I think even Reagan fully bought into the trickle down bullshit and thought he was doing the right thing for America and Americans by paving the way for corporate oligarchy.
I think W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The orange tyrant doesn't give that much of a fuck. He doesn't need to have anything sold to him other than his own name.
You're so preoccupied with your knee jerk anticommunism that you're doing revisionist, apologist history for the Reagan administration. Was Reagan doing what he thought was the best for the people when participating in the Iran Contra affair? Come on, the US is a country that has always operated to secure its own imperialist hegemony since it became a global super power. Every single government since the start of the Cold War has operated to do that by any means necessary, even committing genocide and propping up fascist regimes worldwide.
You mean the people who kept threatening people with nukes? The people who proliferated atomic weapons giga? The ones who did 56 military interventions (old figure btw, doesn't include Venezuela, for example) in South America post WW2? The one that proliferated military bases all across the world? The Bay of Pigs people? The ones that invaded Vietnam because they were bored? The people who made North Korea the most bombed place ever? Coup in Guatemala so that bananas were cheap? The people who would rather destroy civilization than coexist with the USSR? You're saying that system worked relatively well? I'm saying that they were barbaric up to and through current events.
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn’t enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven’t. This is the first time we’ve had a president that wasn’t at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I see. I agree that Trump is different to the ones that came before (except Andrew Jackson) , and I agree that the tankies are trying to claim it's been like this, but this kind of shit has been pretty common in US history. And so has the opposite. Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus or take wrong turns in otherwise good administrations, but there's usually some bullshit somewhere. Even people like FDR have things they fucked up.
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can't be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won't happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn't true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn't true.
Eh, that was a different, tangential thing. This arc started in 2015 when Russia figured out how to manipulate social media while absolutely no one was guarding against it.
I'd say it goes all the way back to Reagan and almost every single policy he had that weakened the absolute fuck out of average US citizens, while allowing the influence of the rich to grow to insane levels.
It was salvageable up until House and Senate leaders like Gingrich, Ryan and later O’Connell started playing identity and obstacle politics with Democrat presidents in particular. Around 2010 it really accelerated.
I'd argue a lot of the seeds were planted with 9/11 and later 2008 finical crises that Russia would later exploit when the GOP attempted to use Obama to retcon Bush from history.
Fun fact: After WWII, people who had recognized the danger of fascism and opposed it from the start (such as Americans who fought in the Spanish Civil War) were often termed "premature antifascists" and regarded with suspicion and passed over for promotion in the military because of the possibility of having communist sympathies.
Anybody with the slightest Critical Thinking Skills knew how bad this would get, way back in 2015.
I knew who this hump was back in the 80s, and could have told you what a disaster he'd be as president back then, and would have been 75% correct, with only a 25% underestimation of how bad it would actually be.
Did you forget all the COVID anti-mask and anti-distancing insanity? The still-not-fully-understood blatant theft and corruption around the PPP “loan” program that pilfered so much money it inflated the US Dollar at unprecedented rates? The intentional separation of children from parents by force?
The PPP was just part of the bailouts as well. They did direct cash infusions into the richest companies, and the Fed did a lot to make sure the rich didn't lose any money, and in effect shoveled trillions of dollars to the richest.
The PPP was forgiven to big corporations that got the money then fired workers anyway, while small employers that kept people on after getting the money, as was the point of the program ostensibly, were forced to pay it back later.
The Democrats are fucking worthless I'm afraid I've to throw in there. Can't even make hay out of this, or change an unjust system, when they are hated and have to win.
You can't escape it, if you give the establishment a pass and allow them to stay in control of the party we lose. Unless you are pretending to be one of us and helping fascists to overthrow the Republic in all but name in favor of putting the worst people in permanent control of the country, you need to face that fact.
I think being in a sane state kind of mitigated that COVID issue for me, but I agree on the PPP loan theft (immigration stuff was always bad, although I guess not children in cages bad). My point was, compared to this term, he was actually held back a bit.
If the public isn't on board with something, it'll cost the ruling party dearly. This wasn't like 1918 where the public wanted to help each other by limiting the spread of the disease. This was rugged individualism, "you can't tell me what to do." Dems were honestly smart to get on board or a red wave would have wiped them out.
When we want to change things like this, we have to change the norm in advance, not reactively.
BTW epidemiologists I used to work with at the CDC have long said "the big one is coming" and after Covid, many of them said "this wasn't the big one," so we still need to change that norm, but like climate change and a dozen other pressing crises, we can't deal with it because fascism.
A complete inversion of reality. Democrats actively manufactured consent for the 'end' of the pandemic. They were pushing for a return to school before the vaccine was even out. The moment covid was their responsibility instead of a cudgel with which they could barely win the election, they started adopting the exact same language they were criticizing. Minus of course the meme shit like horse paste and bleach.
He didn’t surround himself with literally zombies who only say yes to him during his first term. Them turning on him when he wanted to overrule the election results showed that. He doesn’t know how government works and thought everyone should treat him like a king from the beginning and had a rude awakening that was term 1. Now he knows and thus, utter destruction.
yeah but like, I saw that—if that is the same person—she dared to make some comics about very obvious social issues rendered with very competent art and comedy and also dared to be a woman doing such activities and as a person of man I find that objectionable that a woman so me mad. but like just because i had to see it because me mad at her because she is.
I really don't have an opinion on that. I liked her early stuff, but don't really care for her contemporary work. That said, let people do what they want? One of my favorite quotes goes something like "if you ain't hurting anyone, I'm here to help or get out of the way."
No people generally don't like her because she can be a big cunt and just attacks people wildly for having criticism. Some of the dm logs that have been released are wild
I think her comics are okay, people do overblow that aspect of it for sure
Yes, but have you considered how bad it is that respectable white people are now affected by its brutality? Have some empathy for Christ's sake. 😤
Seriously though, it is incredibly frustrating to see discourses like these when racialized and indigenous people in the US metropole have criticised the fundamentally violent nature of the United States before it was even imagined. The smugness of it all y'know?
You'd think after Kent State, Blair Mountain, The Tulsa Massacre, Trail of Tears, etc. white people would have realized "wait a minute, this isn't right." But seems this land is full of neo-liberal moderate white people who have to be targeted to give a damn themselves.
They did. People, white people included, have fought colonialism since it started. Some of the earliest documentation of protests against slavery and genocide in the Caribbean was written by Spanish settlers in the 1510s. When we talk about "white people" we are recognizing that whiteness is more about privilege than it is actual settlers who, while privileged by appearing white in the maintenance of whiteness as a naturally privileged category, can also have that privileged revoked if they become too much of a threat to hegemony. People make decisions based on their material interests, so a privileged class that is also racialized can be effectively mobilized to the disposal of the imperial state as their material security is assured or at the very least benefited by doing so. What we're seeing is people whose familial memory extends generations into that privilege realize for the first time that whiteness is in fact not a real thing that can protect you, and they think that's a particularly enlightened realization because many of them are also liberals who wish to appropriate ideas of anti-fascism and decolonialism to their benefit as they have effectively done in the past. They aren't mad about the violence, they're correctly identifying that they were promised protection from it by birthright.
Make no mistake, when they say that they were the first to realize the US empire was evil, they are asserting that they own the ability to criticize that empire and direct actions in response to that criticism. It's how they coopt black-, queer-, indigenous-, and disability-liberation movements all the time.
Please remember this happened when folks get all "AOC is the only person who can win." No she's got a built in loss, two X chromosomes. In a decade maybe, but right now boomers still have too much control and even boomer women don't want a woman president. They've done polling on it and it's very clear, they don't think a woman has the temperament to lead. We can think it's silly but we should not ignore it.
Yep cue the downvotes ignoring it. Read this carefully and explain to me why we should even consider running a woman right now. But you won't, you're in a bubble where you think everyone believes what you do.
President Trump would initiate The Storm, an attack against the deep-state actors responsible for the global pedophile cabal.
No
the group identified Q’s influence when Alabama’s football team presented Trump with a jersey bearing the number 17, which also happens to be the position of letter Q in the alphabet.
Friend sad he was for The Piece of Shit Pedo because he wanted woke lefties to get punished for making gay Superman or something like that i guess. I asked him how did he imagine that taking place, he said not like this. I don't think he thought that one trough.
People get offended by something that doesn't really affect them but just riles up their conservative ego, and the first reaction is i to wish harm to someone they never met.
Idk, this meme makes me think of the kids story "the boy who cried wolf". Screaming doom every year desensitizes people to the possibility of the threat.
There is no parallel with that story, because in that story, the boy didn't actually see the wolf. In real life, signs of nazi resurgence where clearly present but dismissed (motly by far-right leaning people anyway)
Except it would be like the kid actually saw the wolf everytime and was never lying but nobody believed him anyway when the wolf was also in plain view for everyone else
142 Comments
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 142 pts · 186d
I owe this women an apology. She was completely right and reacting appropriately.
tonytins@pawb.social · 96 pts · 186d
A lot of people owe that poor woman an apology.
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 32 pts · 186d
The hate she gets is wild. I don't always find her comics funny, but the absolute vitriol she gets is wild over on Reddit.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 186d
... I don't think the person fizz is talking about is Pizzacake. if you look at the source view on his post, it's the woman screaming during trump's first inauguration/announcement of election results
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 186d
Oh, I don't see anything but text in Fizz' post and don't know what source view means.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 186d
clicking the button shown what they typed out to get what their post is; this way you can learn markup to make similar formatting.
sometimes images don't load, so you can use the same tool to get the URL of the image they are sharing
iamthetot@piefed.ca · 6 pts · 186d
Ah that's hidden in a menu on piefed and doesn't seem visible at all on Boost. Thanks!
Zoot@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 184d
It's really annoying on Boost but you can "Copy Text" of the comment and it'll give you the "source" text
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 14 pts · 186d
Not me, I very much felt the same way as she did. And I knew very well what the 2nd term would look like and so I was very sad when he did not get shot that one time. "Oh, how can you say that? He's not that bad." Blind fools the lot of you. It was always so very obvious if you had just cared to look.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 185d
She and the McDonald's coffee lady should form a support group or foundation.
'The Foundation for People Who Can't Grieve Good'
tyler@programming.dev · 36 pts · 186d
Who is this woman? I’m not familiar with the reference.
Carrot@lemmy.today · 56 pts · 186d
Someone who was filmed screaming and crying during the announcement (maybe inauguration, can't remember which now) of the 45th president of the US
Odo@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 186d
Jessica Starr. It was Jan 20, 2017 just as he was sworn in. His terrible followers sometimes subtitled this image "autistic screeching".
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 161d
One of the many Cassandras that day.
tyler@programming.dev · 10 pts · 186d
Oh ok. Yeah that was the correct reaction.
fin@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 186d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDYNVH0U3cs
someguy3@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 186d
You know what you see here? Acceptance of election results. You know, what many trumpers lack.
tpyo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
There was another woman I think about sometimes who was very upset about maga hats and I thought she was overreacting. I also owe that woman an apology
SilverFlame@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
One man's red hat is another man's brown shirt.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 186d
Wait was that actually pizzacake or is this someone else?
Fizz@lemmy.nz · 7 pts · 186d
I dont think so. Its just an unknown person who got dragged through the mud but conservative media.
tyler@programming.dev · 76 pts · 186d
I had someone here on lemmy literally tell me that history doesn’t matter and we shouldn’t pay attention to it. The ignorance was fucking astounding.
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 186d
Years ago someone told me on reddit that antivirus protections on personal PCs aren't necessary and a waste of processing power.
Can't really reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 186d
tyler@programming.dev · 19 pts · 186d
Were they arguing that extra antivirus wasn’t necessary? Cause windows built in has been better than alternatives for years now (well, idk about 11, but 7, 8, and 10 all had good antivirus).
Kanda@reddthat.com · 13 pts · 186d
When I was a strapping young lad, I would rather just reinstall the system in case of viruses than living with the antivirus software
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 186d
It's been long enough I don't think I could faithfully remember the details of their argument. I think they were insisting that no AV was needed at all though, not that Windows' built in protections are sufficient, which has indeed been true for a while.
Malfeasant@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
That could have been me... I once had a virus in the 90s. I didn't know I had it until I took a floppy into the university to print something, and it alerted me. So I installed McAfee, it found and took care of this virus. Then a month later my PC wouldn't boot. Long story short, I had to remove McAfee to fix it. The experience stuck with me- antivirus has caused me more problems than any virus ever did. I have lived dangerously ever since. (Though before I run anything even slightly questionable, I will fire up a disposable VM)
hodgepodgin@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 186d
Unfortunately a lot of AV “solutions” on Windows are proprietary which makes it a no for me.
Sciaphobia@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 186d
Windows Defender has been sufficient for most users for a while. Which is just a default part of the OS unless you go out of your way to remove it.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 186d
Are there any open source av programs, and any that don't cost money?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 186d
Just use Linux and don't be an idiot on the Internet
hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 186d
I want to switch to linux for sure, both in phone and computer. Too late on the idiot part. Just joking though I've not said anything prosecutable.
MBM@lemmings.world · 2 pts · 186d
Lemmy is very STEM-brained, maybe even more than Reddit
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 185d
As in math and science? Because I think history is pretty important with those.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 186d
My favorite is when you point out someone outside the USA lives in a country where they shouldn't be throwing stones in their glass house continue to do so.
Bad@jlai.lu · 73 pts · 186d
ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 186d
Funny that the one thing all three scenarios have in common is: “misled people that vote”. I wanted to write “dumb and ignorant people voting” but I wanted to be generous
Nalivai@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 186d
The big part is also well-meaning people not voting. There are more of those well-meaning people by volume, and they could've easily prevented all that, but they for one reason or another decided not to do that
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 186d
The fucking Vlad supporters are winning and the short sighted dumbasses, in the UK and USA, fell for it.
mudkip@lemdro.id · 53 pts · 186d
As an autistic person who has a great skill of finding similarities between two things, you can see a lot of parallels between our modern world and 1940s Germany.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 27 pts · 186d
I'd say we're still at the 1930s Germany stage, considering World War 3 hasn't started yet.
SuperNovaStar@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 186d
Unfortunately there are plenty more fascist regimes than Germany's to choose from as examples. Many didn't start a world war, and therefore lasted much, much longer than the Nazis did.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 2 pts · 186d
The appeasement of Putin has been going on since 2014
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 1 pts · 185d
But the appeasement of Hitler still happened in the 1930s.
prettybunnys@piefed.social · 1 pts · 185d
and many place this as the true beginnings of the war, even if the big shoot shooty bang bang wasn’t happening all over
Strider@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
No. It's just not the war you think. The war on poor people is going well.
diemartin@sh.itjust.works · 44 pts · 186d
Basically what I think of Simpsons "predictions".
Matt Groening isn't some kind of clairvoyant. He just knows history and recognizes patterns.
albbi@piefed.ca · 10 pts · 186d
I'm scared about the prediction of Britain saving America's ass in WW3.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 7 pts · 186d
Oh, that's wrong. Nobody is gonna come save America.
hector@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 186d
The UK is one of the original Axis III powers. They are beating the US to the punch in some respects.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 186d
More like the show has been running for over three decades, it would be weird if they didn't hit a few.
hector@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 186d
Which prediction exactly? The one about the current president becoming president, their writer was interviewed about, and he said they just chose him to symbolize the US hitting rock bottom. As they were smart and informed and therefore realized the then real estate mogul was a crooked lying cheater, that lied to steal and then slandered his victims to justify it, that was in bed with organized crime. I don't know if they knew that he was a career blackmailer, and also being blackmailed by Israel and their Epstein, and the Russians at a minimum though.
But the prediction isn't all that clairvoyant, because in their version the president just bankrupted us and then we elected Lisa, which would be a best case scenario as Lisa is a good person. While the president's party here will bankrupt the country, they are fixing elections, something the show didn't see, or put in the episode.
RampantParanoia2365@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
There's been like 300 of them. There's an old meme, "Simpsons did it."
Oyml77@lemmy.today · 42 pts · 186d
The left will never get the credit for being right all along.
MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 186d
That's okay. I don't want credit. I want things to get better. I want to make things get better.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 186d
The best the Dems can do is demand their vote then if they win say they didn't need it but if they lose it's all the left's fault.
agingelderly@lemmy.world · 41 pts · 186d
Also they laid it all out in project 2025. It's not like they tried to hide it other than trumps usual "I've never heard of it". And if you believe anything that shithead says.. well this is what happens
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 186d
Yes, this is what drives me crazy. These fascist fuckers literally wrote down what they were going to do and then started doing exactly that. How could we have known? A mystery, for sure.
IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com · 30 pts · 186d
It goes back further than that.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 186d
this current arc starts with 9/11.
Cruxifux@feddit.nl · 23 pts · 186d
Disagree. This is the result of decades more bullshit from other american presidents, political figures, and 3 lettered organizations ran by ghoulish wastes of skin. There have been many famous people who have been outspoken about this shit in that time too. 9/11 and America’s batshit insane reaction to it was just more of the same dumb bullshit the rest of the world has come to expect from it’s governments and citizenry.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 186d
I posted 6 words. you somehow didn't read half of them.
And to be honest, @Serinus@lemmy.world is probably right, since I was thinking of the broader surveillance world etc, not the current offensive by Russia against the world.
Serinus@lemmy.world · -10 pts · 186d
It's funny. We're awash in terrible things happening in and from America, but that isn't enough for the tankies. It's almost like they have an agenda.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 186d
not sure I follow what this means
Serinus@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 186d
America is doing terrible things at home and abroad, but that isn't enough for the tankies. They need us to have always been like this.
We haven't. This is the first time we've had a president that wasn't at least trying to do the right thing by his people, no matter how misguided.
I think even Reagan fully bought into the trickle down bullshit and thought he was doing the right thing for America and Americans by paving the way for corporate oligarchy.
I think W (from his perspective at the time) justified our invasion of Iraq with both liberating the people and reducing our reliance on Israel and Saudi Arabia.
The orange tyrant doesn't give that much of a fuck. He doesn't need to have anything sold to him other than his own name.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 186d
lol. lmao even.
FunkyStuff@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 186d
You're so preoccupied with your knee jerk anticommunism that you're doing revisionist, apologist history for the Reagan administration. Was Reagan doing what he thought was the best for the people when participating in the Iran Contra affair? Come on, the US is a country that has always operated to secure its own imperialist hegemony since it became a global super power. Every single government since the start of the Cold War has operated to do that by any means necessary, even committing genocide and propping up fascist regimes worldwide.
From @WhatDoYouMeanPodcast@hexbear.net
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 186d
I see. I agree that Trump is different to the ones that came before (except Andrew Jackson) , and I agree that the tankies are trying to claim it's been like this, but this kind of shit has been pretty common in US history. And so has the opposite. Sometimes administrations are tainted by the populus or take wrong turns in otherwise good administrations, but there's usually some bullshit somewhere. Even people like FDR have things they fucked up.
Objection@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 186d
Christ, what a bootlicker.
hector@lemmy.today · -7 pts · 186d
Tankies stop at the system is fucked. It can't be improved according to them, tear it down and build a new thing. Obviously that won't happen and if we tried it would animal farm into something worse right off. And just isn't true, the system here worked relatively well after the second world war. Never perfect, but with controls on the system and governed by mostly reason, we did make the most prosperous working class the world has every seen by a large margin. Now gone, chiseled away by the CPI having been understated for half a century averaging 2-3 percent a year just by 2008 under the new measures, while it was 5-8 percent under the old.
That was not a good faith change, it was done to steal from working people at every level and stage, and give to investors, and no one questions it even still, as the ivy league suits tell us our buying power has never been higher, when that clearly isn't true.
hector@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 186d
1971 Business Roundtable is the genesis of the long game to overturn liberal democracy's gains for working people.
bufalo1973@piefed.social · 2 pts · 186d
That was only the half season. It starts at least in 1981 (Reagan + Thatcher)
Serinus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
Eh, that was a different, tangential thing. This arc started in 2015 when Russia figured out how to manipulate social media while absolutely no one was guarding against it.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 186d
I'd say it goes all the way back to Reagan and almost every single policy he had that weakened the absolute fuck out of average US citizens, while allowing the influence of the rich to grow to insane levels.
stylusmobilus@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 186d
Somewhere in the middle.
It was salvageable up until House and Senate leaders like Gingrich, Ryan and later O’Connell started playing identity and obstacle politics with Democrat presidents in particular. Around 2010 it really accelerated.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 186d
Based on what you're saying
tin foil hat applied
It was accelerated by OBAMA!!!!
DaMummy@hilariouschaos.com · 3 pts · 186d
Not Obama, just that that's when Citizens United passed. The same thing that caused fascism in Germany, the same thing that caused fascism in Italy.
SmackemWittadic@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 186d
Get out of here with that logical statement! Let the people who caused it blame Obama!
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 186d
This all goes back to Nixon. When he resigned the Republicans decided hard line fascism is better than losing again.
tonytins@pawb.social · 1 pts · 186d
I'd argue a lot of the seeds were planted with 9/11 and later 2008 finical crises that Russia would later exploit when the GOP attempted to use Obama to retcon Bush from history.
ceenote@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 186d
Being a leftist means being right too soon...
Objection@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 186d
Fun fact: After WWII, people who had recognized the danger of fascism and opposed it from the start (such as Americans who fought in the Spanish Civil War) were often termed "premature antifascists" and regarded with suspicion and passed over for promotion in the military because of the possibility of having communist sympathies.
goferking0@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 186d
Or any of the people outside of the military who got blacklisted for simply wanting better working conditions ie wanting to start unions
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 22 pts · 186d
Anybody with the slightest Critical Thinking Skills knew how bad this would get, way back in 2015.
I knew who this hump was back in the 80s, and could have told you what a disaster he'd be as president back then, and would have been 75% correct, with only a 25% underestimation of how bad it would actually be.
SLVRDRGN@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 186d
Overall 40 percent of Americans didn't even read a single book last year. Doesn't bode well for critical thinking if we can't even read.
hydroptic@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 186d
taiyang@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 186d
If I'm being honest, the first term was quite underwhelming compared to how bad it could be (as 2025+ has proved).
ayyy@sh.itjust.works · 26 pts · 186d
Did you forget all the COVID anti-mask and anti-distancing insanity? The still-not-fully-understood blatant theft and corruption around the PPP “loan” program that pilfered so much money it inflated the US Dollar at unprecedented rates? The intentional separation of children from parents by force?
hector@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 186d
The PPP was just part of the bailouts as well. They did direct cash infusions into the richest companies, and the Fed did a lot to make sure the rich didn't lose any money, and in effect shoveled trillions of dollars to the richest.
The PPP was forgiven to big corporations that got the money then fired workers anyway, while small employers that kept people on after getting the money, as was the point of the program ostensibly, were forced to pay it back later.
The Democrats are fucking worthless I'm afraid I've to throw in there. Can't even make hay out of this, or change an unjust system, when they are hated and have to win.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 186d
Were we talking about Democrats? Or did you just need to bring them up because you can't abide a discussion that doesn't criticize them as well?
hector@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 186d
You can't escape it, if you give the establishment a pass and allow them to stay in control of the party we lose. Unless you are pretending to be one of us and helping fascists to overthrow the Republic in all but name in favor of putting the worst people in permanent control of the country, you need to face that fact.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 186d
Yeah, but it didn't affect ME back then, so I don't care. Lots of people think like that, even on Lemmy.
taiyang@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 186d
I think being in a sane state kind of mitigated that COVID issue for me, but I agree on the PPP loan theft (immigration stuff was always bad, although I guess not children in cages bad). My point was, compared to this term, he was actually held back a bit.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 186d
Democrats can't say shit about Trump's covid response after fully adopting the playbook themselves once they were in power
If anything they were worse because they turned it into a bipartisan consensus on reality and made all the 'normal' people take their masks off.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 186d
If the public isn't on board with something, it'll cost the ruling party dearly. This wasn't like 1918 where the public wanted to help each other by limiting the spread of the disease. This was rugged individualism, "you can't tell me what to do." Dems were honestly smart to get on board or a red wave would have wiped them out.
When we want to change things like this, we have to change the norm in advance, not reactively.
BTW epidemiologists I used to work with at the CDC have long said "the big one is coming" and after Covid, many of them said "this wasn't the big one," so we still need to change that norm, but like climate change and a dozen other pressing crises, we can't deal with it because fascism.
AntiOutsideAktion@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 186d
A complete inversion of reality. Democrats actively manufactured consent for the 'end' of the pandemic. They were pushing for a return to school before the vaccine was even out. The moment covid was their responsibility instead of a cudgel with which they could barely win the election, they started adopting the exact same language they were criticizing. Minus of course the meme shit like horse paste and bleach.
lutent@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 186d
He didn’t surround himself with literally zombies who only say yes to him during his first term. Them turning on him when he wanted to overrule the election results showed that. He doesn’t know how government works and thought everyone should treat him like a king from the beginning and had a rude awakening that was term 1. Now he knows and thus, utter destruction.
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 186d
https://youtu.be/F2ocp5iTNx0
Project 2026. They're going full mask off. It's good that they are pulling this a few decades too early.
hector@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 186d
It would be if we had a little organization and some leadership to stop them, we don't still.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 186d
No, the first term was pretty damn bad, it was a version 1.0 for sure but it was BAD.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 186d
This is nothing yet, and the previous wasn't bad for lack of their trying. There is nothing to stop them this time.
Donebrach@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 186d
yeah but like, I saw that—if that is the same person—she dared to make some comics about very obvious social issues rendered with very competent art and comedy and also dared to be a woman doing such activities and as a person of man I find that objectionable that a woman so me mad. but like just because i had to see it because me mad at her because she is.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 186d
I remember Lemmy having a matter boner for her last year cause of some law suit.
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 186d
Nah, she got hate because she takes criticism very badly, exacerbated by the r/comics mods. That, and also the comics just aren't very funny.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 186d
I think some of the early ones are pretty funny. But she has become largely lackluster as she gained fame.
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 186d
Matter Boner? Law Suit? I don't think I've ever had a boner from a lawsuit to be perfectly honest with you.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 186d
Bruh if your boner isn't matter, then what's the point in all this?
Donebrach@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 186d
but like doesn’t it suck that she dares to be a woman making content as a woman like that make ne mad as me man like how dARE?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 186d
I really don't have an opinion on that. I liked her early stuff, but don't really care for her contemporary work. That said, let people do what they want? One of my favorite quotes goes something like "if you ain't hurting anyone, I'm here to help or get out of the way."
Soulg@ani.social · 2 pts · 186d
No people generally don't like her because she can be a big cunt and just attacks people wildly for having criticism. Some of the dm logs that have been released are wild
I think her comics are okay, people do overblow that aspect of it for sure
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 185d
PhoenixDog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 185d
Oh you've met her?
MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 184d
Objection@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 186d
Reminds me of an all time classic Onion article.
technocrit@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 186d
2015? lol... USA has been a trash empire since a few enslavers made it up.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 186d
Yes, but have you considered how bad it is that respectable white people are now affected by its brutality? Have some empathy for Christ's sake. 😤
Seriously though, it is incredibly frustrating to see discourses like these when racialized and indigenous people in the US metropole have criticised the fundamentally violent nature of the United States before it was even imagined. The smugness of it all y'know?
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 186d
You'd think after Kent State, Blair Mountain, The Tulsa Massacre, Trail of Tears, etc. white people would have realized "wait a minute, this isn't right." But seems this land is full of neo-liberal moderate white people who have to be targeted to give a damn themselves.
orioler25@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 186d
They did. People, white people included, have fought colonialism since it started. Some of the earliest documentation of protests against slavery and genocide in the Caribbean was written by Spanish settlers in the 1510s. When we talk about "white people" we are recognizing that whiteness is more about privilege than it is actual settlers who, while privileged by appearing white in the maintenance of whiteness as a naturally privileged category, can also have that privileged revoked if they become too much of a threat to hegemony. People make decisions based on their material interests, so a privileged class that is also racialized can be effectively mobilized to the disposal of the imperial state as their material security is assured or at the very least benefited by doing so. What we're seeing is people whose familial memory extends generations into that privilege realize for the first time that whiteness is in fact not a real thing that can protect you, and they think that's a particularly enlightened realization because many of them are also liberals who wish to appropriate ideas of anti-fascism and decolonialism to their benefit as they have effectively done in the past. They aren't mad about the violence, they're correctly identifying that they were promised protection from it by birthright.
Make no mistake, when they say that they were the first to realize the US empire was evil, they are asserting that they own the ability to criticize that empire and direct actions in response to that criticism. It's how they coopt black-, queer-, indigenous-, and disability-liberation movements all the time.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 186d
Yeah but the other option was a woman so I sat at home.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 186d
I knew this was all the Demmicratz fault
BanMe@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 186d
Please remember this happened when folks get all "AOC is the only person who can win." No she's got a built in loss, two X chromosomes. In a decade maybe, but right now boomers still have too much control and even boomer women don't want a woman president. They've done polling on it and it's very clear, they don't think a woman has the temperament to lead. We can think it's silly but we should not ignore it.
Yep cue the downvotes ignoring it. Read this carefully and explain to me why we should even consider running a woman right now. But you won't, you're in a bubble where you think everyone believes what you do.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 186d
*in the US.
Many, many other countries vote women into the top seat. Even boomers.
GeneralEmergency@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 185d
Hillary Clinton won the popular vote
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 186d
Well, to be fair, being able to read is quickly becoming indistinguishable from the arcane arts in America.
vivalapivo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 186d
Honestly, what I didn't expect is that QAnon was like 70% right?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 186d
70%? No. Yeah I think maybe you're forgetting most of the insane shit those people said. Maybe like 10%. The obvious shit that we all knew.
Can we not start lionizing those fucking freaks
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 186d
It's the whole Nostradamus effect. Throw out enough bullshit and eventually something will be correct.
Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 186d
What has Qanon actually predicted?
No
OK. I'm out.
Liuone@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 186d
Illuminati people were more on point. Rich pedos control the world. Also who's saying it is bad? I still hear magas going on about how great this is.
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
TF? Not even 3%
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 2 pts · 186d
We got that teeny tiny micro apologie from Anna Kasparian the other day. Wait lemme get a microscope for ya…
Sektor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 186d
Friend sad he was for The Piece of Shit Pedo because he wanted woke lefties to get punished for making gay Superman or something like that i guess. I asked him how did he imagine that taking place, he said not like this. I don't think he thought that one trough. People get offended by something that doesn't really affect them but just riles up their conservative ego, and the first reaction is i to wish harm to someone they never met.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 186d
Okay, what happened now again over there?
Saapas@piefed.zip · -1 pts · 186d
Hey it's that porn lady
Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works · -7 pts · 186d
You can always count on Pizzacake to point out the blindingly obvious as if it was a revelation.
Where the US is headed has been no secret for a long time.
osanna@thebrainbin.org · 3 pts · 186d
nah, there was no way to know! Just because drumpf is doing exactly how the nazis started out, we couldn't have known!
wampus@lemmy.ca · -8 pts · 186d
Idk, this meme makes me think of the kids story "the boy who cried wolf". Screaming doom every year desensitizes people to the possibility of the threat.
BlueSunglassesBike@feddit.it · 11 pts · 186d
There is no parallel with that story, because in that story, the boy didn't actually see the wolf. In real life, signs of nazi resurgence where clearly present but dismissed (motly by far-right leaning people anyway)
Soulg@ani.social · 8 pts · 186d
Except it would be like the kid actually saw the wolf everytime and was never lying but nobody believed him anyway when the wolf was also in plain view for everyone else