From a security perspective, these only serve to create an extensive roadblock - and a traffic jam as seen at the end. Disable one in front, one in rear, and you’ve got them kettled. Plus, as you can see, it’s a very slow moving convoy. A dozen bike cops and two cars (Couchfucker + security detail) would be sufficient.
From a security perspective, these only serve to create an extensive roadblock. Disable one in front, one in rear, and you’ve got them kettled. Plus, as you can see, it’s a very slow moving convoy. A dozen bike cops and two cars (Couchfucker + security detail) would be sufficient.
Whoever came up with this idea should be fired.
Neo has a really good video on the presidential motorcade and how it works. It is completely absurd in a place like Milan, certainly, but every part of it is there for a reason.
Moreover, the president is getting the treatment of a king. They are ostensibly fungible assets. There’s a succession plan. The more they’re protected, the more they’re a target (and invading foreign countries doesn’t help).
and looking at their license plates, around half of them have US ones, which means those cars were probably flown in.
or do they have a standing motorcade for Europe? I saw one car had german plates…
I had the same impulse when seeing that convoy. I think there should be enough stuff from the war in ex-yugoslavia floating around, and with the current political climate there shouldn't be an issue finding 50-100 people to place on rooftops.
Obfuscation is part of the motorcade, but not to the extent you would think. The motorcade has two presidential limos, and the POTUS is typically put in one while the VP is put in the other. Or in this case, the second limo would simply be empty. The order of the limos is random. The idea being that if you manage to bomb one limo, you’d only get either the VP or POTUS, and you’d have no way of knowing which one you got until after the fact. And that’s assuming the bomb is even effective, because the presidential limos have RPG-proof windows and heavy armored plating underneath the body panels.
Most of the motorcade is focused on things like landmine detection, biological weapon detection, chemical weapon detection, standby security forces in case they need to fan out/circle the wagons and create a secure perimeter, on-site medical staff, monitoring local radio chatter, jamming equipment to activate in case of an attack, etc…
You’re right. Only the first two vehicles show signs of armouring. I don’t think that all this theatrics would happen and then not put the cargo in the armoured car. But I’m not an expert, just a critic
It's them applying the same strat as in the US even though they are in Milan and the roads are twice as narrow.
I suppose they think there is so many cars it would be hard to know in which the couch fucker is. But still you are correct to say that convoy could be easily completely blocked. And in that case you could have an army to defend it it would be a very bad situation.
His charade parade likely cost an American figure skater a gold medal. The traffic jam his ego created delayed her arrival to the venue so much she had to skip her entire warmup.
That’s probably some Secret Service thing, because the threat of poisoning is actually real. In America, the Secret Service goes to great lengths to vet potential restaurant stops wherever the POTUS/VP is going to be. But they don’t exactly have jurisdiction to do that when they’re in another country.
Notably, Trump’s love of fast food has made the Secret Service’s job extremely frustrating… He apparently has a tendency to just spontaneously demand a drive-thru stop, giving the Secret Service no time to actually run security checks on the staff ahead of time.
Gee they sure are scared. Wonder why? Aren't they the good guys doing good things around the world to help people and uphold justice and international law and ot kt otowom etenec, I e jo2okt to hh6bhbdm:h;hi$$+!!
May we ask some of what you were banned for? Just voting or comments? I always drop accounts after a 2nd violation so I don't get permabanned but want to quit completely as their violations are usually not against the rules, and often I think for other reasons, dishonest.
What a bullshit...i hope some crazy dude does something, what? Who know.
Also, you saying but this is a terrible idea wapecially in Italy with our normal sized streets...(USA STREETS ARE NOT NORMAL) and they also did it with big ass cars, like, wtf?? I understand everthing but you can't do this bullshit and bring big ass cars
We have a fascism return in different part of Europe, but it looks more like a meme return than something really that dangerous (at the moment). We have evidence that USA artificially financed these extreme right-wing parties thru Bennon, an Epstein friend.
There is a war lord from my country who has been the head of parliament for at least 30 years who used to send out a huge convoy of cars and security only to be driving himself in an old busted up car. I don't know if that's true, it could have been a rumour. Also I hope the couch fucker tries to fuck a folding couch and it snaps his little sausage off.
They are flown ahead of the visit. I'm sure there are multiple fleets and perhaps a few doted around the country for frequent visits at NY, camp David or maralargo. But for other countries it's a fly in and fly out.
Partisans used to put ieds on delays in the middle of roads, usually hidden in cowpats. Why delays? that way they would be triggered by the first vehicle - usually security - but the second car - usually full of the nazi brass - would be the ones that copped the blast.
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CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 145 pts · 207d
From a security perspective, these only serve to create an extensive roadblock - and a traffic jam as seen at the end. Disable one in front, one in rear, and you’ve got them kettled. Plus, as you can see, it’s a very slow moving convoy. A dozen bike cops and two cars (Couchfucker + security detail) would be sufficient.
Whoever came up with this idea should be fired.
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 58 pts · 207d
Neo has a really good video on the presidential motorcade and how it works. It is completely absurd in a place like Milan, certainly, but every part of it is there for a reason.
Here is that video on Nebula
And here it is on YouTube
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 56 pts · 207d
One size doesn’t fit all.
Moreover, the president is getting the treatment of a king. They are ostensibly fungible assets. There’s a succession plan. The more they’re protected, the more they’re a target (and invading foreign countries doesn’t help).
TheRealKuni@piefed.social · 22 pts · 207d
I agree, which is why I said using the motorcade in Milan is absurd. 🙂
e8CArkcAuLE@piefed.social · 20 pts · 207d
and looking at their license plates, around half of them have US ones, which means those cars were probably flown in. or do they have a standing motorcade for Europe? I saw one car had german plates…
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 207d
They fly them in a few days in advance.
coaxil@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 207d
That was a very interesting video, thanks for the share
zipzoopaboop@lemmynsfw.com · 23 pts · 207d
It's all performance
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 9 pts · 207d
He's sooo much more important than you.
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 206d
That really really looks dumb though.
TheBat@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 207d
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 207d
the secret service wants to know your location.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 2 pts · 206d
I had the same impulse when seeing that convoy. I think there should be enough stuff from the war in ex-yugoslavia floating around, and with the current political climate there shouldn't be an issue finding 50-100 people to place on rooftops.
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 14 pts · 207d
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 206d
Obfuscation is part of the motorcade, but not to the extent you would think. The motorcade has two presidential limos, and the POTUS is typically put in one while the VP is put in the other. Or in this case, the second limo would simply be empty. The order of the limos is random. The idea being that if you manage to bomb one limo, you’d only get either the VP or POTUS, and you’d have no way of knowing which one you got until after the fact. And that’s assuming the bomb is even effective, because the presidential limos have RPG-proof windows and heavy armored plating underneath the body panels.
Most of the motorcade is focused on things like landmine detection, biological weapon detection, chemical weapon detection, standby security forces in case they need to fan out/circle the wagons and create a secure perimeter, on-site medical staff, monitoring local radio chatter, jamming equipment to activate in case of an attack, etc…
ageedizzle@piefed.ca · 2 pts · 206d
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 207d
You’re right. Only the first two vehicles show signs of armouring. I don’t think that all this theatrics would happen and then not put the cargo in the armoured car. But I’m not an expert, just a critic
SippyCup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 207d
He's in one of two cars, they're easily identifiable. The rest are various security assets. Armed dudes, jamming suites, surveillance, etc.
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 206d
While this is going on, Vance actually travels by subway, donning sunglasses and fake mustache and beard.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 206d
the one with the softest leather....
Tetsuo@jlai.lu · 8 pts · 207d
It's them applying the same strat as in the US even though they are in Milan and the roads are twice as narrow.
I suppose they think there is so many cars it would be hard to know in which the couch fucker is. But still you are correct to say that convoy could be easily completely blocked. And in that case you could have an army to defend it it would be a very bad situation.
RaoulDuke25@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 207d
Or given a raise if something happened.
Marthirial@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 207d
Unless you are not in America, being surprise at the incompetence and stupidity of these fuckers in power is unacceptable.
Dearth@lemmy.world · 83 pts · 207d
His charade parade likely cost an American figure skater a gold medal. The traffic jam his ego created delayed her arrival to the venue so much she had to skip her entire warmup.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 206d
Supposedly he brought his own food with him to Italy. Why would anyone bring American food to fucking Italy
starlinguk@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 206d
Because he thinks someone will try to poison him. The Stalinist paranoia has set in.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 206d
Is it really paranoia if its a very credible realistic fear?
wieson@feddit.org · 6 pts · 206d
fearhopeMirshe@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 206d
Like father, like son. Part of why Trump eats so shitty is the same fear.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 26 pts · 206d
That’s probably some Secret Service thing, because the threat of poisoning is actually real. In America, the Secret Service goes to great lengths to vet potential restaurant stops wherever the POTUS/VP is going to be. But they don’t exactly have jurisdiction to do that when they’re in another country.
Notably, Trump’s love of fast food has made the Secret Service’s job extremely frustrating… He apparently has a tendency to just spontaneously demand a drive-thru stop, giving the Secret Service no time to actually run security checks on the staff ahead of time.
Sasquatch@lemmy.ml · 21 pts · 206d
Yeah but that means those fast food places don't have a chance to prep the poison, either🧠ðŸ§
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
Fast food is pretty much poison tbf.
echodot@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 206d
Poison probably not, but there a lot they could do tonthe food.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 8 pts · 206d
I wonder how much piss, shit, and semen Trump eats on a regular basis from these spontaneous McDonald's stops. 🤔
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 206d
about the same as others who eat there.
hector@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 206d
I doubt he eats that much of the fast food himself, and that it's more of a public image thing, he wants to look like he's eating it.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 206d
the olive garden breadsticks are FREE
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 206d
Btw, did test-eating ever truly help? Only a small part of the potato salad can be poisoned...
fonix232@fedia.io · 52 pts · 207d
Well I guess sofas are quite big. If JD boy brought his whole harem... That's a lot of cars.
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 207d
I believe when you split them up like this (one piece per car) they are called sectionals. Or if you're JD Vance: sexualnals.
Brunbrun6766@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 207d
Sectionals just don't have the same cushion Vance is looking for
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 37 pts · 207d
This stupid spectacle is deliberate because the US is so fucking important, and stupid.
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml · 33 pts · 206d
Gee they sure are scared. Wonder why? Aren't they the good guys doing good things around the world to help people and uphold justice and international law and ot kt otowom etenec, I e jo2okt to hh6bhbdm:h;hi$$+!!
Jankatarch@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 206d
Were you abducted while typing this?
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 206d
I am a spokesperson of a very serious group of concE97! Peopl754(-& wmoch are t@t CDA CA cia cdaxiat gdbdctnvv
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 206d
LemmyBruceLeeMarvin was never seen again
Eternal192@anarchist.nexus · 25 pts · 207d
Keep being scared little piggy!
1stQ@feddit.org · 22 pts · 206d
Lots of big black vehicles..
Those are the villains of this movie, right?
taiyang@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 207d
Sigh... reminds me I have to file my US tax returns.
kokesh@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 206d
One IED and that fuck is gone.
ProdigiousInsanity@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 206d
I see you there wanting me to upvote this, but I won't because reddit banned me for much less
kokesh@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 206d
This ain't Reddit
87Six@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 206d
This isn't reddit and I wish JD vance and his cronies a happy IED eating
bilb@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 206d
I haven't heard of lemmus, but if they ban you for that you just need to find a different instance!
hector@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 206d
May we ask some of what you were banned for? Just voting or comments? I always drop accounts after a 2nd violation so I don't get permabanned but want to quit completely as their violations are usually not against the rules, and often I think for other reasons, dishonest.
echodot@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 206d
I'm sure the other 39 cars will be a lot of help.
You wouldn't even need to bother with the bomb, just shoot him when he gets out of the car his smug face is a pretty big target.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 206d
Zombiepirate@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 207d
"I told you... (deep breath) they all need to have BENCH SEATS in the REAR! WHAT the FUCK do I PAY YOU PEOPLE FOR??!?? Don't you KNOW who I AM???"
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 206d
Boooooooooooooooooooo
OldChicoAle@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 205d
Boooooo!!!!! Go back to your couch!!!
BK-201@fedia.io · 16 pts · 206d
1:01 did they almost just fucking crash 🤣
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 206d
deHaga@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 205d
Nah, they're just scared. Their whole system runs on fear.
febra@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 205d
So much European taxpayer money wasted on a fleet of pedophile protectors. Stop welcoming them here.
crank0271@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 207d
Spreading
freedomuhdemocracyuh unnavigable traffic! It's cute that they brought some gridlock from home so that the Americans would feel at home.PumaStoleMyBluff@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 205d
"Jesus, these Italians oughtta do something about this shitfuck traffic."
"Sir, the motorcade is quite literally 100% of the traffic in the city."
"It's only 40 cars, why can't they build us a 40 lane road? Is this not a first world Christian nation?"
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 10 pts · 207d
What a bullshit...i hope some crazy dude does something, what? Who know.
Also, you saying but this is a terrible idea wapecially in Italy with our normal sized streets...(USA STREETS ARE NOT NORMAL) and they also did it with big ass cars, like, wtf?? I understand everthing but you can't do this bullshit and bring big ass cars
floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 206d
So, some of them believe they have the authority to use their siren and act like Italian police, almost causing an incident in the process.
I'm sure everything will turn out well.
Gammelfisch@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 206d
Is Just Dumb taking another family vacation? Looks like something straight out of Chechnya.
Berengaria_of_Navarre@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 206d
No problem, just blow up all 40.
Swordless_Dante@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 207d
Isn't 40 cars too few? I mean, he could have at least taken 90 🌚
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 206d
I bet italian people feel so honored by his visit
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 206d
Italy is run by a Fascist party, and Fascism is doing well.
http://nbcnews.com/news/world/italy-fascist-salute-rome-rally-acca-larentia-killings-giorgia-meloni-rcna132992
That was just over a year ago.
MissJinx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Italian People = Facist?
well US people = Facist?
SolarPunker@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 204d
We have a fascism return in different part of Europe, but it looks more like a meme return than something really that dangerous (at the moment). We have evidence that USA artificially financed these extreme right-wing parties thru Bennon, an Epstein friend.
umbraroze@slrpnk.net · 7 pts · 206d
I hope the locals were like "I didn't know which car to boo for, so I booed to all of them"
ieatpwns@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 207d
He needed this many so that Italy wouldn’t try hanging him
_Nico198X_@europe.pub · 5 pts · 207d
I wish. Meloni can't help sucking up to them.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 206d
its costed 10 million for all of this.
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 205d
Doge didn't see anything
ZiggyTheZygote@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 207d
There is a war lord from my country who has been the head of parliament for at least 30 years who used to send out a huge convoy of cars and security only to be driving himself in an old busted up car. I don't know if that's true, it could have been a rumour. Also I hope the couch fucker tries to fuck a folding couch and it snaps his little sausage off.
Etterra@discuss.online · 5 pts · 207d
If he wanted to bring his sofa harem with him, he should have rented a truck.
BlushedPotatoPlayers@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 205d
Meanwhile the pope was okay with a Fiat 500
recked_wralph@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 205d
Wait. Are these motorcades just staged and ready in every country they might visit? Or do they fly the vehicles ahead of them?
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 8 pts · 205d
They are flown ahead of the visit. I'm sure there are multiple fleets and perhaps a few doted around the country for frequent visits at NY, camp David or maralargo. But for other countries it's a fly in and fly out.
recked_wralph@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 204d
Insane
Philharmonic3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 206d
The california tropics, often shortened to just cal trops, are so easy to make and fun to play with in the street!
sunbytes@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
That first one was weighed down like crazy.
Second one was super light on suspension.
I'm assuming the first one was armoured then but why have the principal in the first car?
Maybe they have multiple ones armoured.
gergolippai@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 205d
He's there in Italy and don't even use the time to try some proper car.
ThrowawayPermanente@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 206d
Tremendous Suburbans, The Most Suburbans
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 205d
Partisans used to put ieds on delays in the middle of roads, usually hidden in cowpats. Why delays? that way they would be triggered by the first vehicle - usually security - but the second car - usually full of the nazi brass - would be the ones that copped the blast.
* the more you know *birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 193d
Compensation car for a Clansman.
Swemg@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 207d
Lol