KB5077181 was released about a month ago as part of the February Patch Tuesday rollout. When the update first arrived, users reported a wide range of problems, including boot loops, login errors, and installation issues.
Microsoft has now acknowledged another problem linked to the same update. Some affected users see the message “C:\ is not accessible – Access denied” when trying to open the system drive.
Microsoft Confirms Windows 11 Bug That Locks Users Out of the C: Drive
https://windowsreport.com/microsoft-confirms-windows-11-bug-that-locks-users-out-of-the-c-drive/
177 Comments
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 207 pts · 160d
There must be something really seriously wrong at Microsoft. I can understand that Windows patches are complex and that they might break some of those crazy things people are running on their machines. But how is a bug that is killing access to the C:\ drive able to get through testing? WTF are they doing?
Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world · 170 pts · 160d
It's going to come out that there's AI in the code. And the code testing was done by AI, who gave the buggy code the green light.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 160d
Or worse: AI is doing the QA as well
ViatorOmnium@piefed.social · 53 pts · 160d
What QA? Microsoft's QA was always the CEO demoing the latest repository head on stage.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 160d
They at least used to be embarassed by a live BSOD.
floofloof@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 160d
We're doing the QA.
artyom@piefed.social · 9 pts · 160d
"Code Testing" = QA
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 160d
It passed the unit test, it must be good!
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
Quality Artificial Intelligence assurance
ThatGuy46475@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 160d
They don’t need testing because they tell the ai to not make any errors
palordrolap@fedia.io · 31 pts · 160d
And then the LLM says something like "You're absolutely right, there was an error in that code that is clear and obvious now it has been pointed out and despite the fact you gave the instruction to make no errors. Is there anything else I can help with?"
... and they'll be too blind to take that as the warning it is and continue to ask even more of the LLM.
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz · 28 pts · 160d
my boss loves AI and he uses it for everything. he made some stats graphs and summaries, and he was bragging how he got AI to make them errorless: he tells it to check for errors and makes it swear it's accurate... while we were looking at a graph where the y column numbers were all fucked up
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
Interestingly, AI is actually pretty good at making graphs, the trick is you don't ask it to actually make the graph itself. Instead you have to ask it to write a python script to create a graph using matplotlib from whatever source file contains the data, then run that script. Same with math. Don't ask it to do math directly, instead ask it to write a bash or python script to do some math, then run that. Still not perfect, but your success rate increases by about 1000%
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 160d
Because of so much open source and stack overflow it was trained on.
But who writes bash scripts to do math?
suicidaleggroll@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 160d
A full script? Nobody. But you can just run it interactively on the command line, which a lot of AI clients have access to. bc works great for basic math in the shell.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 3 pts · 160d
That's about 90% of what I use AI for right there: silly little bash and python scripts. A graph, some image compression, ffmpeg video shenanigans, the works.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 1 pts · 160d
It's really really bad at doing spreadsheet analysis. Even basic shit that I would give to an intern. At least an intern with generally just make shit up and pretend it's not wrong even when I point it out, and if they do I get a new intern.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 33 pts · 160d
It's Microslop. This is what's wrong. Also, that they fired too much of the testing staff in favor of (user-)testing rings.
yucandu@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 160d
It's not as bad as that time they permanently deleted user documents and photos.
See they had this trick where if you didn't have enough space on your drive to unpack an update, they'd just move your shit to OneDrive temporarily, then move it back when the update was done. Only they forgot to move it back, and lost it. Oops.
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
Seriously?!?! 😲
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 1 pts · 160d
No, but are we gonna wait until they do?
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 160d
My company is starting to roll out having AI both put up PRs AND give code reviews.
I would not be surprised to hear Microslop is doing the same thing and having horrible results.
Amazing what happens when you try to turn your talent pool into lifeless casino monitors.
evol@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 160d
No one smart is going into windows dev in 2026. It’s like working on IBM mainframes. Only people left to work are middle of the road new grads they hire and boomers who are retiring.
Rothe@piefed.social · 7 pts · 160d
Vibecoding. Microslop has peddled AI so much that they have gotten addicted to their own supply.
UnspecificGravity@piefed.social · 5 pts · 160d
Probably AI code getting tested by AI.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 173 pts · 160d
Damage@feddit.it · 29 pts · 160d
Bonjour
bilb@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 160d
That's more of an apple thing
inari@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 160d
Saluton
AceFuzzLord@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
Hello there
bilb@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 160d
CeilingPenguin is watching you masturbate
stoy@lemmy.zip · -36 pts · 160d
Let's not pretend that Linux is without bugs.
Matty_r@programming.dev · 47 pts · 160d
Let's not pretend that Microslop is capable of producing good software.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
I don't know about that, XP, 2000 and 7 was pretty solid.
Steve@startrek.website · 30 pts · 160d
That was Microsoft. Microslop lacks that ability.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
Fair point!
ElectricAirship@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 160d
Not gonna mention Windows 8? Hmm I wonder why...
socphoenix@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
Or vista lol, or windows 98 that was so bad they essentially recalled it and re-released it as a second version?
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 160d
Everyone forgets MILENNIUM!
Because of the trauma.
pharceface@retrolemmy.com · 2 pts · 159d
I used 98 as a teen, it came pre installed, what was wrong with it compared to 95? Asking out of curiosity.
socphoenix@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
Man it’s been a long time but essentially 98 was the first one to allow for plug and play without drivers if I’m remembering right. That and a few other stability issues made the original crash constantly, including during the demo at a tech show. They re-released it as a second edition that fixed most of it. If you bought the computer towards 1999 they had fixed it.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
Because it was shit.
I never claimed that everything MS did was good
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 160d
XP was probably their most solid OS. And that shouldn’t be a brag.
dustyData@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 159d
Reputation is such a strange phenomenon. XP was considered a disaster at launch. It took them years to repair everything that didn't work.
The rollout of 64 bit architecture support was so sloppy that people were holding on to old hardware so as to not have to install the x64 version of XP. The premiere of the NT kernel meant that nothing had drivers, most software wasn't compatible yet. DirectX 9 broke half of old games compatibility. There were also two entirely different versions of the shell with dramatically different start menus. Some versions didn't support multi core CPUs.
Not to mention that XP actually spans three different OSs. Upgrades were just a reinstall wizard of the OS.
It wasn't until the end life of XP and the launch of Vista that people started to cling to XP SP2 and its reputation switched due to a mix of nostalgia and fear of the much worse launch of Vista.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 160d
bilb@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 159d
I think .net is pretty good. I don't use it, but people seem to love VS Code.
Damage@feddit.it · 28 pts · 160d
It's a lot easier to accept bugs when you're not paying for it, it's not spying on you, it lets you do what you want, and it respects your freedom.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 160d
It is a hell of a lot less buggy
And the bugs that are there we are aware of. Microsoft may or may not fix severe security bugs, opting to hide the information instead because it's better for their bottom line
Microsoft always had been a bug riddled mess that people paid for and then they needed to pay even more to be able to get their shit still working
Now with the AI slop apparently contributing 30% of the code, things have gone off a cliff
So no, nobody is pretending Linux is bug-less, it's just that Microsoft is that bad
flameleaf@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 160d
It doesn't lock you out of your C: drive
Theoriginalthon@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 160d
Also remember that it's called C drive because your A and B drives are still floppy drives in 2026
mech@feddit.org · 9 pts · 160d
In 20 years I never had a system-breaking (or really even any noticeable) bug from an update.
stoy@lemmy.zip · -4 pts · 160d
Cool anecdote
mech@feddit.org · 6 pts · 160d
I know, right?
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 159d
The downvotes for this little nugget of truth suggest to me that linux fans are somewhat cultish.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 159d
Yeah, I made my comment as I am tired of fanboyism, I have daily driven Linux in the past, I was the Linux sysadmin at a major financial institution for years, Linux is awesome!
But please don't get arrogant and claim it is faultless, with constructive criticism it can only get better.
Right now I am running Windows as my daily, and my work is only in Windows.
I dailied Linux back in the 2.8 days, I remember a class mate having to manually edit the kernel source code to get his USB mobile broadband modem to work, I had modems from another brand, so I only had to run USB mode switcher to get mine working.
I set up Fluxbox from scratch to get a fantastic UI experience on my laptop.
I know Linux.
I switched back to Windows for gaming, and now with W11 and gaming support for Linux, I am looking to move back to Linux.
I am no Windows nor Linux fanboy.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 159d
It's not so much Linux fanboyism as it is Windows (whatever the total polar opposite of fanboyism is)
The only good argument for Windows is specific software compatibility. If there were equivalent solutions on both for everything, it is an absolute truth that Windows is worse.
That is not an opinion, outside of intentionally wanting to be commercially oppressed.
Also games access to your kernel just screams to me "I wanna have fun and don't care about security at all, now gimme my fortnite vbux mom" in the most middle-school voice possible.
stoy@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 159d
Wow, how quickly people forget....
Back in 2011, with kernel 2.8.x, gaming on Linux was nothing like it is today, it required dedication, skills and time.
And at the time I didn't have the energy to deal with it.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 158d
Not sure how that's related to what I said
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 95 pts · 160d
I like how, once AI is invented, there is never a problem that isn't AI related.
Microsoft made broken shit before AI, it isn't like they suddenly lost that capability once AI was invented.
WanderingThoughts@europe.pub · 43 pts · 160d
It's more like the old adage but extended: "To err is human, to really foul things up you need a computer, but to make an unbelievable mess you need an AI."
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 160d
That is certainly true and may very well be the case here.
It could also be the case that a human developer forgot to bounds check an array and iterated out of bounds, corrupting some important kernel variable. We won't know unless we get a postmortem.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 160d
AI enables them to automate the generation of shitty code for broken systems even more efficiently
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 160d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
That seems like an easy statement to prove. How many bugs were there before AI vs after?
I may be wrong, but I would guess that you haven't seen any data to back up your statement and you're basing it on your perception based on social media posts.
You see a lot of clickbait articles where the author highlights a specific patch note or vulnerability and tries to tie that to AI. They're doing that to earn revenue because anti-AI posts get traffic... they're not trying to objectively inform you about the rate of bugs in Microsoft's products. Your perception is being skewed by selection bias.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
Well, that's certainly what you're doing at least.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
You think I'm basing my perception based on a social media post? That's very observant.
You're right.
I am responding to a social media post and so my perception of that social media post is based on a social media post (specifically the one that I'm responding to).
The difference between my comment and their comment is that they present their statement as a fact and I indicate uncertainty.
I don't know the person, I may be wrong and they may have the statistics to back up their fact claim. Since I didn't know for sure I wrote:
This indicates that I am not confident in my answer but it is the current top hypothesis among many.
I assume (<- see, indicating uncertainty) that they don't have this data and are simply making it up.
As far as WHY they are making it up
Considering that social media is the top news source for most people. (Since this is a fact claim, here is a source: https://www.niemanlab.org/2025/06/for-the-first-time-social-media-overtakes-tv-as-americans-top-news-source/). If you don't know about a person you have to assume an average person. An average person is more likely to receive their news from social media.
I don't think it's uncontroversial to say that AI is a divisive topic online and so guessing that this person's perceptions are built on misinformation about AI posted on social media seems to be a pretty rational conclusion based on the facts that I have before me.
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 157d
You sure love your weasel words.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
I think maybe you don't know what 'weasel words' mean.
From Wikipedia:
There's none of that here.
Summary review:
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
Dear lord. You've upgraded to weasel paragraphs.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 159d
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 159d
I use Linux exclusively, my family's laptops are all Linux, I self-host, etc. I'm no Microsoft fanboy, so believe me when I tell you...
...that is a stupid name and anyone using it sound like a clown.
AI's use in industry is destructive to knowledge workers, the massive dump of capital in the computer hardware markets have caused massive disruption in secondary markets and the coming market crash will affect everyone in the world. There are plenty of easy arguments to be made against using AI.
Going into a comment section and posting "Well, acktually, you mean MicroSLOP!" does none of that. It's performative, not substantive.
DickFiasco@sh.itjust.works · 90 pts · 160d
Huh, my computer doesn't seem to be affected.
I'm using Arch, btw.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 50 pts · 160d
I think I'm affected because I can't access the C: Drive.
I'm using Debian, btw.
LordCrom@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 160d
I think I'm affected because I can't locate a c: drive.
I'm using Mint, BTW.
Pringles@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 160d
I managed to park over half the c:drive. I drive an X5, BMW.
Crackhappy@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 160d
I can't spot my c: from this altitude, in my G6
mybuttnolie@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 159d
greetings from the International Space Station
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 160d
There's your problem. You should be using Arch.
I use slackware, btw.
psx_crab@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 160d
Seems like your pc isn't affected because you don't have a C drive? Try create a C drive and see if there's an issue.
cabillaud@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
mount c:\windows /root
bilb@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 160d
Fedora's better ;)
I posted this in a jocular mood, don't take it seriouslymarighost@piefed.social · 69 pts · 160d
30percentofcodewrittenbyai.jpeg
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 160d
Who are we kidding that number is outdated at this point. Probably 40% now given the increase in ridiculous bugs.
saltnotsugar@lemmy.world · 60 pts · 159d
pennomi@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 160d
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 50 pts · 160d
They aren't capable of doing that.
Source on that is me, I worked for MSFT during the rollout of Windows 8 and the 360 red ring nightmare.
They're internally wayyyyy too culty and cliquey.
Everyone has to do things the MSFT way, and the MSFT way is team leads all leading their own thing and arguing about why its so cool and necessary.
The culture is diametrically opposed to simplifying things and reorienting around a fundamentally minimized, more stable core system.
Everything has to be able to plug into as many other things as possible, which creates insane nested dependency loops and chains that they fuck up all the time.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · 6 pts · 160d
The Red Ring of Death was around 2009 or so, Windows 8 rolled out in 2012. That was 14 years ago now.
Headcount numbers:
The median tenure of employment at Microsoft is 5.3 years, so most of those 94,000 employees will be long gone by now.
Also, Satya Nadella took over in 2014 and made major changes to the corporate culture from the earlier Balmer era. Stack ranking was abolished, there were major corporate acquisitions that brought external corporate cultures inside (eg LinkedIn, GitHub, ZeniMax/Bethesda, Activision Blizzard, Nokia).
I have no idea what Microsoft's current internal culture is like but I think your impression is likely quite outdated by this point.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 160d
I mean, do those headcount numbers count contractors?
V dashes? A dashes? Etc?
The majority of MSFT's workforce has been temp contractors for a very long time, and they do everything they can to have as few actual employees as possible.
If your source is saying the average tenure is 5.3 years, no, no it is not counting contractors.
Beyond that, unless you have an actual source for the culture shift beyond 'you think so', I'm going with no, everything I've described has gotten worse.
That's why I've, for years, been able to predict moves that MSFT would likely make, that people at the time think are ludicrous or incredibly pessimistic, worst case scenarios... and then they happen.
As an example, I was saying MSFT probably just set Xbox with impossibly unrealistic profit targets for the Xbox/Gaming division, to more or less intentionally downsize it and then basically kill it off, over time, while acting like that's not what they were doing... I said that a good deal of time before the news broke, that is exactly what happened.
They are a gormless faceless machine that is unimaginably high on their own supply.
Given the amount of outright caste based racism I saw amongst Indian actual employees vs Indian contractors when I was there, where HR told.me that actually 'that's just their culture' and that I was being racist for pointing out abusive managers literally screaming at their lower caste underlings, whom they had by their H1-B balls...
....yeah, I'm willing to bet it is now even worse.
I've also worked at other large corps, a place or two in fairly high responsibilty positions.
I've met a fair deal of the Seattle/Bellevue/Redmond upper management of various texh and other firms, and the thing they all have in common is an unimaginably inflated ego, elitist attitude, that propogates downward via basically an essentially religious level of respect for people in higher positions... its just expected to be shown by anyone under them.
They really are like the corpos from Cyberpunk 77, they just don't have the nakedly open bloodlust most of those corpos do.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 159d
I worked at the Comcast Center back when Comcast was building a new skyscraper two blocks away. The reason for this new building was that the CC had become jam-packed with InfoSys contractors, like literally five or six developers jammed into one-person offices, floor after floor after floor. The executives -- a majority of whom were Indian-American -- wanted to see a lot fewer Indians around their headquarters (and they talked about this openly) so they built an entire new building to house them.
FaceDeer@fedia.io · -2 pts · 160d
I linked the source for my information, feel free to dig into it for more detail.
I literally said I didn't know whether there had been a culture shift. Reread the last line of my comment. All I'm doing here is pointing out that your own view on the subject is likely very outdated at this point. There's been enormous employee turnover, including right to the top CEO position, and other major companies have merged into Microsoft in the interim.
Based on?
I'm not doubting your previous experience. I'm just pointing out that it was a long time ago and a lot has happened since then, so I'd like to hear some more recent evidence.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 160d
Why use their stock ticker instead of their name?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 160d
Force of habit, shorter to type, everyone knows what I mean.
EDIT:
It took me an embarassingly long amount of time to realize that does not work with 3RR.
That was the internal code in a fair number of processes, for referring to 'The Red Ring of Death', the 3 red lit segments of a 360 that means basically 95% chance its gotta be RMA'd, likely just wholly replaced.
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 160d
Great idea, I'll ask Copilot to do that
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 160d
That was the state of windows in 2005
wunderbred@fedinsfw.app · 44 pts · 160d
Never again, Windows.
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 41 pts · 160d
Microslop.
ryper@lemmy.ca · 39 pts · 160d
We just had this month's Patch Tuesday and they're still dealing with problems caused by last month's?! I really need to try harder to convince my father putting Linux on his current computer is a better idea than buying a Windows 11 computer.
rodneylives@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 160d
There was a story going around back in September ago about the person whose wife used OneDrive on her phone. It had taken upon itself to copy 25+GB of data on the phone into OneDrive, despite only having the free account tier, and copying it to their Windows 11 PC. There it completely filled up its small SSD boot drive, putting it into a condition of extremely low disk space, which in made it impossible for Windows to boot. Here it is.
Auth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
I doubt that story. I'm a linux user at home but at work I admin windows and linux systems. I can see his logic because hes thinking how I would. But windows doesnt behave like that. On linux you can fill a drive and get issues booting but windows leaves space so that even when the user drive is full the system can still create temp files needed for operation. Whatever he did trying to get around the default behavior he misconfigured something
rodneylives@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
I dunno? It sounds very plausible, exactly the kind of thing that Windows would do. I posted about it to Metafilter some time back and no one there seemed to think it couldn't happen.
Auth@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
It sounds like user error to me. There is like 2 settings on onedrive and they couldnt even be bothered to configure it yet hes going through all this complicated troubleshooting.
rodneylives@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
If you can't log into Windows you can't change its OneDrive settings! What's more, the user had no idea what was causing the problem, be it OneDrive or something else, until he did that troubleshooting! And, just setting up a new phone shouldn't make your computer unbootable for any reason! Geez, way to victim-blame there.
Auth@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 156d
He wasnt able to log in because he broke something on the back end not because of onedrive.
Sam_Bass@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 160d
Bunch braindead vibe coders at fault I bet
lechekaflan@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 160d
Install Linux. Problem Solved.
Pirate@feddit.org · 16 pts · 159d
It’s hilarious that the issues people think Linux has, like for example the disk deleting itself, are exactly what happens on Windows lol.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · -8 pts · 159d
It's hilarious how far you had to jump to land on that conclusion.
Zomg@piefed.world · 22 pts · 160d
Sounds like they let AI touch it
Lanske@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 160d
What a sloppy OS they produced!
subignition@fedia.io · 12 pts · 160d
No longer do you have A: as a floppy drive, now it's C: as a sloppy drive
AeonFelis@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 159d
You don't need
C:\. All your data should be in the 365 cloud anyway. Storing files locally inC:\leads to antipatterns like not paying Microsoft for 365 access (a.k.a "Software Piracy")ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 159d
What would happen if you trained an AI entirely and solely on Microslop's knowledge base?
maplesaga@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 159d
It would be stuck on thousands of missing articles and unable to go back due to a bunch of redirects, like a sketchy page from the 90s.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 159d
So ... just as good as any other AI.
mkhopper@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 159d
Ugh... I'm so tired of "microslop" and "AI slop".
I'm not defending Microsoft in any way, but they were releasing buggy updates long before the rise of AI.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 159d
You know what's going on inside the large companies that are hoping to cash in on the AI thing? All workers are being pushed to use AI and goals are set that targets x% of all code written be AI-generated.
And AI agents are deceptively bad at what they do. They are like the djinn: they will grant the word of your request but not the spirit. Eg they love to use helper functions but won't necessarily reuse helper functions instead of writing new copies each time it needs one.
Here's a test that will show that, with all the fancy advancements they've made, they are still just advanced text predictors: pick a task and have an AI start that task and then develop it over several prompts, test and debug it (debug via LLM still). Now ask the LLM to analyse the code it just generated. It will have a lot of notes.
An entity using intelligence would use the same approach to write the code as it does to analyze it. Not so for an LLM, which is just predicting tokens with a giant context window. There is no thought pattern behind it, even when it predicts a "thinking process" before it can act. It just fits your prompt into the best fit out of all the public git depots it was trained on, from commit notes and diffs, bug reports and discussions, stack exchange exchanges, and the like, which I'd argue is all biased towards amateur and beginner programming rather than expert-level. Plus it includes other AI-generated code now.
So yeah, MS did introduce bugs in the past, even some pretty big ones (it was my original reason for holding back on updates, at least until the enshitification really kicked in), but now they are pushing what is pretty much a subtle bug generator on the whole company so it's going to get worse, but admitting it has fundamental problems will pop the AI bubble, so instead they keep trying to fix it with bandaids in the hopes that it'll run out of problems before people decide to stop feeding it money (which still isn't enough, but at least there is revenue).
SoleInvictus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 11 pts · 159d
You're spot on regarding how AI operates.
AI is stupid story time!
I recently helped a friend with a self-hosted VPN problem. He had been using a free trial of Gemini Pro to try to fix it himself but gave up after THREE HOURS. It never tried to help him diagnose the issue, but instead kept coming up with elaborate fixes with names that suggested they were known issues, like The MTU Traffic Jam, The Packet Collision Quandary, and, my favorite, The Alpine Ridge Controller Trap. Then it would run him through an equally elaborate "fix". When that didn't work, it would use the failure conditions to propose a new, very serious sounding pile of bullshit and the process would repeat.
I fixed it in about fifteen minutes, most of that time spent undoing all the unnecessary static routing, port forwarding, and driver rollbacks it had him do. The solution? He had a typo in the port number in his peer config.
I can't deny that LLMs are full of useful knowledge. I read through its output and all of its suggestions absolutely would have quickly and efficiently fixed their accompanying issue, even the thunderbolt/pcie bridging issue, if the real problem had been any of them. They're just garbage at applying that information.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
Yeah, they don't do analysis but can fool people because they can regurgitate someone else's analysis from their training data.
If could just be matching a pattern like "I have a network problem with . Your issue is and you need to ." Where the problem and solution are related to each other but the problem isn't related to the symptoms, because the correlation with "network problem" ends up being stronger than the correlation with the description of the symptoms.
And that specific problem could likely be solved just by adding a description of that process to the training data. But there will be endless different versions of it that won't be fixed by that bandaid.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 158d
Not only will it have a lot of notes, every time you ask if to analyze the code it will find new notes. Real engineers are telling me this is a good code review tool but it can't even find the same issues reliably. I don't understand how adding a bunch of non-deterministic tooling is supposed to make my code better.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
Though on that note, I don't think having an LLM review your code is useless, but if it's code that you care about, read the response and think about it to see if you agree. Sometimes it has useful pointers, sometimes it is full of shit.
ExperiencedWinter@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 158d
So when do I stop asking the LLM to take another look? If it finds a new issue on the second or third or fourth check am I supposed to just sit here and keep asking it to "pretty please take another look and don't miss anything this time"?
I'm not saying it's a useless tool, it's just not a replacement for a human code review at all.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
Stop when you feel like it, just like any other verification method. You don't really prove that there are no problems with software development, it's more of a "try to think of any problem you can and do your best to make sure it doesn't have any of those problems" plus "just run it a lot and fix any problems that come up".
An LLM is just another approach to finding potential problems. And it will eventually say everything looks good, though not because everything is good but because that happens in its training data and eventually that will become the best correlated tokens (assuming it doesn't get stuck flipping between two or more sides of a debated issue).
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
That sounds worse than useless. It would be better to fail utterly than make up shit that you have to waste time parsing through.
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 158d
It helps in the sense of once you've looked at code enough times, you can stop really seeing it. So many times I've debugged issues where I looked many times at an error that is obvious in hindsight but I just couldn't see it before that. And that's in cases where I knew there was an issue somewhere in the code.
Or for optimization advice, if you have a good idea of how efficiency works, it's usually not difficult to filter the ideas it gives you into "worthwhile", "worth investigating", "probably won't help anything", and "will make things worse".
It's like a brainstorming buddy. And just like with your own ideas, you need to evaluate them or at least remember to test to see if it actually does work better than what was there before.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 159d
They’ve earned that name at this point
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 159d
I agree, but if microslop can be the downfall of microslop I will jump on the bang wagon. I think they should add more IA. Did they try live GenIA update of the user system yet ? Sound a money making idea.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 159d
Are you having a stroke?
Diurnambule@jlai.lu · 0 pts · 159d
Yes but any specific part in mind ?
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 158d
Have someone call 911 for you.
stoly@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 159d
It’s because they got rid of testing and quality control. They are only doing minimal testing now in controlled environments while the world is messy.
Auth@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 159d
A lot of people didnt read the issue. This was an issue with the samsung connect app.
golden_king@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 158d
isVeryLoud@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 158d
It's funnier that way
melfie@lemy.lol · 12 pts · 160d
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 158d
Who could have possibly predicted that an operating system with vibe code in the kernel would be complete ass
golden_king@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 158d
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 158d
Its funny how literally every bug in code now is assumed to be AI, as if we didn't live/deal with buggy programs for decades before it.
Logical@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 157d
Sure, but it certainly seems like we are seeing a greater number of software errors caused by bad or sloppily implemented features now, compared to before LLMs were readily available and good enough to produce (mostly) passable code. Far too many companies, including Microslop, put too much faith in the technology, and that seems to correlate with many of these problems popping up.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 157d
Is there any data to back that up? I remember many Microsoft issues throughout the years, pretty bad or dumb bugs frequently.
Logical@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 157d
I have no scientific sources I can point to to back it up. A hunch is what it is, ultimately. It seems true to me, but I suppose I could be wrong. I suspect it's difficult to really prove this one way or the other.
Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 156d
Can you imagine if heartbleed happened today? Everyone would just assume it was AI immediately lol.
But yeah, it would pretty difficult to know for sure, it was funny at first but at this point it's just annoying because a bunch of people who know literally nothing about programming just assume it was an AI fuckup when I've been using buggy software my entire life already lmfao
nocteb@feddit.org · 12 pts · 159d
morged continvously
mazzilius_marsti@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
ffs how can at this much further into Windows cycle, and we still have shit like this? I mean the main drive is the most important one, I can understand if this happens to Win 1 or 2 but after soo many iterations? Just no.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 160d
Hopefully this doesn't give Microslop executives the idea of turning it into a feature to force their users to save their files onto OneDrive
fonix232@fedia.io · 25 pts · 160d
They're already doing that by partnering with the likes of HP who keep pushing "1TB" Laptops - 128GB eMMC + 1TB OneDrive for a year.
HexaBack@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 160d
that is fucking filthy.
Wildmimic@anarchist.nexus · 17 pts · 160d
They are marketed this way? Holy fraudulent ads Batman, I would never want to work at technical support for an OEM who does this, the phone lines will start glowing a bright orange after a year!
Whostosay@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 160d
Well after a year, the pc you bought is out of warranty, so for us to help you resolve this, I would kindly ask for your credit card information
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
Eh, as long as the laptops break within one year, it's not fraud.
thethunderwolf@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 159d
Solution: install linux
Just like I have been calling macOS "NonfreeBSD" I will now be calling Windows 11 "Slop_OS"
fne8w2ah@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 159d
This should be yet another opportunity for Windows refugees to come to the Kingdom of Torvalds.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 159d
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 3 pts · 159d
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 7 pts · 160d
I'm sick of it. I had 4 different problems with it this year at work. And we are paying them money for it....
Denalduh@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 159d
Hmm.. I should start updating my work computer since the "IT" got upgraded my pc to 11 to fix a problem that wasn't fixed with the upgrade.
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 160d
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
pkjqpg1h@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 159d
wabafee@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 159d
Clearly the fix is boot in Linux
FatVegan@leminal.space · 4 pts · 158d
Microsoft is pretty bad at a lot if things, but you have to hand it to them... They are great at making Linux commercials
golden_king@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 158d
vacuumflower@lemmy.sdf.org · 4 pts · 160d
It's a feature.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 159d
they are planning to roll out MS 12 eventually which is fully AI slop.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 159d
Was false news.
Asfalttikyntaja@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 159d
But it could be true.
Appoxo@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 159d
No denial in that.
oopsgodisdeadmybad@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 159d
You mean Windows 12?
Calling it that won't be funny until 13 comes out.
TomMasz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 160d
Has the prediction market latched onto offering a line on Patch Tuesday yet?
bridgeburner@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
Microsoft is a corporation that turns ...
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 159d
fatalicus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 160d
So probably not a Microsoft issue, but a Samsung issue, since Samsung share is the culprit?
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 159d
fatalicus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 159d
If the only laptops having the issues is the laptops that have Samsung share installed, why is it then Microsofts fault that an update broke something?
Apperantly they changed something in the updated that made a bug in Samsung share appearent.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 159d
davetortoise@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 158d
Seems like quite an important drive to have access to. They should probably try to fix that. imo
kreskin@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 159d
Security to some level is important, but whatever idiot at msft sold exec on "user access control" as a standard service really effed windows hard. Security types have a role in the world, but a lot of them are authoritarian idiots. One of those idiots wrote this patch, and msft was so used to UAC problems in everything, they just let it on through during testing.
chunes@lemmy.world · -6 pts · 159d
As usual, the bug only affects a tiny subset of hardware and lemmy is pretending every windows computer got bricked
Zwrt@lemmy.sdf.org · 15 pts · 159d
its not about the number of effected devices/people. Its about it demonstrating the bigger more structural problems getting more obvious every time one of these happen.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -35 pts · 160d
Can you still use the computer? Other than the home folder (or the user folder), I think it's fine if regular users go a week without touching their C drive until Microslop fixes it (which they will, inside like a week).
I use Windows at work, and it's fine. I do use the home/user folder just because it's there and it's how everything's set up, but there is no other drive to use instead. If I were using it at home, especially if I had a laptop, I'd want the home drive to be on an SSD I could move between machines... maybe. But, I use Macs at home.
Kongar@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 32 pts · 160d
I…. I can’t believe you are defending (or more accurately saying “it’s not that bad”) losing access to the root of your hard drive. It screams incompetence on Miroslop’s part.
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 160d
And it screams incompetence on his part if he actually thinks this isn't a problem.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 159d
Well I'm obviously not, I'm just saying, if the system wouldn't boot at all, they'd lead with that. For most users, it won't matter. For the more technical users, we're either using Linux or macOS.
aaa999@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 160d
i put my computer stuff on the part of the computer where the stuff goes, losing access to the stuff on the computer would be a problem yes
brickfrog@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 22 pts · 160d
from the article
Having a computer that cannot launch applications, let alone access files, is basically the same as not having a working computer.
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 159d
But it can boot into Windows, which is also on the C drive? So it's not locking users out of the C drive, it's locking users out of parts of the C drive.
luluberlue@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 159d
The boot process isn't an user process, Windows would still be able to use the C:/ drive for itself, for every other user software though, that's another story...
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 159d
So only the user process is locked out of the C drive, not the boot/system. Fortunately, the way Windows 10/11 works by default, if you sign into a Microslop account, it backs all that stuff up to OneDrive. At least your documents. And no one's saying it's not bad, it just seems like most affected individuals will be able to go about most of their day. I have a Mac, so I
don't need to worry about any of thishave separate issues to worry about.luluberlue@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 159d
Having OneDrive wouldn't help as you still won't be able to use programs as a user, which is pretty much the reason we use computers in the first place, this bug effectively makes whole computers glorified paperweight in the meantime.
Encephalotrocity@feddit.online · 5 pts · 160d
laughs in Linux
luluberlue@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 160d
Hardly.
The system drive (very usually C:/) is where the Users folder lies by default (and you can't move it anyway IIRC), folder that contains stuff like the Appdata folder where... well... apps keeps their data like settings, history, backups... Most software will try to access it and would meet an "access denied" error.
This is also the default location for all the documents, music, videos, pictures,[...] folders (but you can change those though)
Basicaly you'd be limited to the "portable" versions of softwares located on other drives, which is not quite the norm on Windows.