This is somehow both an insult to Tony Stark and Walmart. At least Walmart is just old fashioned business bastard evil and not, to my knowledge, apocalyptic techno-feudalist with immorality aspirations that belong in anime or comic books and a fucked up mannequin face
Yeah this was fun. I got the email on my last day of vacation I took for my honeymoon.
I've heard of much worse those, people that had been there 30+years, a woman 6 months pregnant, and someone diagnosed with cancer, all without insurance now, not that Oracle offered great insurance to begin with. It was UHC.
I'm never gonna get another job in software, am I?
Edit: I physically let out a cry of pain after reading possibly 10,000 engineers of varying seniority had been fired (incident was reported on LinkedIn and judged based on the dip in Oracle's internal Slack membership count).
Yeah, I should just start trying to move into a new field, huh.
The coal miners were told to learn to code, but maybe software engineers should be learning coal mining at this point. With all the AI data centers being built, there sure is going to be a lot of demand for coal.
Just speaking for myself, as a systems administrator, I am actively pursuing my backup plans to get out of IT ASAP. What's coming is topsy-turvy and will be dog eat dog.
it's possible. just, if you are looking right now, don't expect the same salary you were getting. Be willing to take a minor pay cut, and be willing to take a service industry job just to get money. (that never touches your resume)
I was in accounting and very underemployed when Arthur Andersen disintegrated. And then again for Lehman Brothers. It was rough, but I got through.
the job search will destroy your soul. take breaks to keep yourself from doing things you will regret.
oof i didn't think it was that bad, i hadn't looked at actual numbers. iirc folk were doing 15-20 cuts back during the crises i was dealing with. wfh was unheard of back then tho, so like i get where you're coming from.
The icing on the cake is that most of the offers are 6mo contracts, no benefits, with the option to hire or extend. This way the company can decide they don't really need the position in six months and walk away with no recourse.
I don't know why software engineers being on lemmy, so are using activitypub, are so down and out about industry job cuts. Don't get me wrong, change of industry might be on the cards, but that doesn't mean being a software engineer stops, and these proof of concept sites and networks are a revelation.
There are so many projects for software engineers. For example, Activitypub is the chance to develop a genuinely healthy market of small to medium sized networked social media sites that are far more reactive to users, unique, and experimental than the likes of engagement driven fb could ever be.
I don't know, the rivers of gold might be over for a portion of 'big' tech software engineers, but it seems like a super exciting time to be in small enterprise software engineering, with the plethora amount of projects that could be being explored.
Of course there are heaps of other non-social media software engineering small scale projects, i just focused on activitypub here because it seems so strange and obvious to a rando like me.
Writing iron-clad, deal-with-the-devil level contracts that cannot be broken by mere customers. And nipping open-source projects in the bud via mergers and acquisitions.
These bastards grifted $300 million dollars from my state to build a single website for the Healthcare exchange after the ACA was passed. It never once worked and was scrapped for the federal government's own version immediately after its "release." To be fair, I also blame our state leaders for this as even your average moron could see this coming from a mile away. Even if it did work, who the fuck would spend 1/3 of a billion dollars to build a webpage.
I totally agree which is why i said even an average moron would have seen through this. They only like to pretend to be working for the people when elections are near.
I mean, that wasn't the first rename for silly reasons. There is a long tradition of this for Oracle DB naming. That "c" in 23c meant "cloud". Nothing about the DB 23c required it to installed or run in the cloud. That was in 2012 with DB 12c. Before that in 2003 it was "g" in DB 10g for "grid" (remember the grid computing hype?). Before that in 1998 it was "i" in DB 8i for "internet".
Oracle completely missed the jump to cloud and, like Informatica or SAS, it’s been outcompeted by the likes of Microsoft, Google, Snowflake and Amazon for years now.
But hey, that’s not going to go down well with the shareholders, so just say you’re cutting jobs because you’re streamlining your business through the marvels of AI…
That said, who exactly are the people that are being let go? I can imagine the old guard still working at ‘their’ company, but firing young engineers hardly seems like a winning strategy
Wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere among these tens of thousands laid off this year so far, there's another Luigi willing to go full old school Teamster.
Looks like Luigi, assuming he did it, was a once in a lifetime. He was driven enough and smart enough to pull it off, and he attacked low-hanging fruit. Billionaires are surrounded by armed guards 24/7.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get a disgruntled sniper back from Iran, assuming we get boots on the ground, and they'll be able to pull it off.
77 Comments
cAUzapNEAGLb@lemmy.world · 196 pts · 144d
Does he try to look like the devil, or does that apperance just like, manifest itself after doing enough evil?
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · 81 pts · 144d
I was thinking the dark side version of president skroob
five82@lemmy.world · 37 pts · 144d
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 144d
Is that Vince McMahon?
Ibisalt@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Yes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0xQwJZ7QU0
Croquette@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 143d
I forgot he is pushing 80 years old.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
Fucking nailed it. He looked super familiar and I couldn't place it.
Romkslrqusz@lemmy.zip · 30 pts · 144d
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 144d
WTF I can't believe thats a real photo. It looks like someone cut two heads in half and then swapped halves before squishing them back together.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 144d
Remember this is the BEST he can look. The hair color, the skin ointments and surgery, all of it. This is him at his best.
This guy was never a looker.
Also, the gloves are off for the filthy rich, we should attack them on every level, including calling them ugly. Never defend a monster.
etherphon@piefed.world · 5 pts · 143d
7101334@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
SloppyJane@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 20 pts · 144d
I was JUST going to say!! Disney Villain looking ass lmao
SlurpingPus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
He nailed the look, though, I have to give him that. It's the nineteenth century magnate look, on which cartoon villains were obviously based.
massacre@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 144d
He looks so old that even the botched plastic surgeries are looking old now. Damn he looks frail....
NekoKoneko@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 144d
If you're evil nowadays, you can just buy a Mar-a-lago face to short circuit the whole process.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 144d
How can you afford to own your own island but not afford a suit that fits?
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 144d
It's a combination of buccal fat removal (apparently everyone is doing this?), hard drugs probably and shit genetics.
SolarMyth@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 143d
Jhex@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 144d
yes
gergolippai@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
this is the male equivalent of those MAGA women with the botched plastic surgeries.
lemmyng@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 144d
Needs more Bobby Kotick, with a dash of that evil sham pastor who actually looks like the devil.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 143d
He looks slightly burnt, or grilled.
HereIAm@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
I saw the image first, thought it was bbno$ cosplaying as trump.
devfuuu@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Yes.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 142d
Guy looks like a hot dog that went bad
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 61 pts · 144d
One Rich Asshole Called Larry Ellison
HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 55 pts · 144d
Look at that ghoul
DarthPub@retrofed.com · 53 pts · 144d
SpaceNoodle@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 144d
Phony Stark?
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 144d
This is somehow both an insult to Tony Stark and Walmart. At least Walmart is just old fashioned business bastard evil and not, to my knowledge, apocalyptic techno-feudalist with immorality aspirations that belong in anime or comic books and a fucked up mannequin face
DarthPub@retrofed.com · 8 pts · 144d
cmbabul@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 144d
Ah my bad, I would’ve thought that was Great Value Tony Stark
Edit: Clover Valley Tony Stark would be the Dollar Store variety
_haha_oh_wow_@sh.itjust.works · 39 pts · 143d
One
Rich
Asshole
Called
Larry
Ellison
ObsidianZed@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 143d
Yeah this was fun. I got the email on my last day of vacation I took for my honeymoon.
I've heard of much worse those, people that had been there 30+years, a woman 6 months pregnant, and someone diagnosed with cancer, all without insurance now, not that Oracle offered great insurance to begin with. It was UHC.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 34 pts · 144d
Larry Ellison looks like the cartoon superlative of the devil
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 34 pts · 143d
Look on the bright side, at least they don't have to work for Larry fucking Ellison any more.
qarbone@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 144d
First, Epic, now Oracle.
I'm never gonna get another job in software, am I?
Edit: I physically let out a cry of pain after reading possibly 10,000 engineers of varying seniority had been fired (incident was reported on LinkedIn and judged based on the dip in Oracle's internal Slack membership count).
Yeah, I should just start trying to move into a new field, huh.
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 27 pts · 143d
I trained as a clown at literal clown school. Everyone laughed at me and told me I should've been a software engineer. Well, no ones laughing now.
gergolippai@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 143d
so you're a bad clown then?... :)
greyscale@lemmy.grey.ooo · 5 pts · 143d
:|
resipsaloquitur@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 143d
Do I amuse you?
InternetCitizen2@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 144d
I feel you here. I graduated into covid and then as soon as things started opening again all these non stop layoffs
melfie@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 143d
The coal miners were told to learn to code, but maybe software engineers should be learning coal mining at this point. With all the AI data centers being built, there sure is going to be a lot of demand for coal.
Damage@feddit.it · 6 pts · 143d
learn electrician...ship? it's always useful, especially when there's lots of solar panels to install
axx@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 143d
I believe it's electrical engineering. A safe trade (pun intended) for the foreseeable.
BanMe@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 144d
Just speaking for myself, as a systems administrator, I am actively pursuing my backup plans to get out of IT ASAP. What's coming is topsy-turvy and will be dog eat dog.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 143d
it's possible. just, if you are looking right now, don't expect the same salary you were getting. Be willing to take a minor pay cut, and be willing to take a service industry job just to get money. (that never touches your resume)
I was in accounting and very underemployed when Arthur Andersen disintegrated. And then again for Lehman Brothers. It was rough, but I got through.
the job search will destroy your soul. take breaks to keep yourself from doing things you will regret.
diablomnky666@lemmy.wtf · 14 pts · 143d
Minor pay cut?! Try 30% and no work from home. Companies smell blood in the water and low balling salaries across the board.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 143d
oof i didn't think it was that bad, i hadn't looked at actual numbers. iirc folk were doing 15-20 cuts back during the crises i was dealing with. wfh was unheard of back then tho, so like i get where you're coming from.
diablomnky666@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 143d
The icing on the cake is that most of the offers are 6mo contracts, no benefits, with the option to hire or extend. This way the company can decide they don't really need the position in six months and walk away with no recourse.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 143d
oh, the fuck you contractors special. i know those contracts. it's better to go work retail. they at least will give you benefits and stability.
my outlook might be colored by some incidents but you may have better luck than i have on those six month shit contracts.
diablomnky666@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 143d
Gorgritch_umie_killa@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 143d
I don't know why software engineers being on lemmy, so are using activitypub, are so down and out about industry job cuts. Don't get me wrong, change of industry might be on the cards, but that doesn't mean being a software engineer stops, and these proof of concept sites and networks are a revelation.
There are so many projects for software engineers. For example, Activitypub is the chance to develop a genuinely healthy market of small to medium sized networked social media sites that are far more reactive to users, unique, and experimental than the likes of engagement driven fb could ever be.
I don't know, the rivers of gold might be over for a portion of 'big' tech software engineers, but it seems like a super exciting time to be in small enterprise software engineering, with the plethora amount of projects that could be being explored.
Of course there are heaps of other non-social media software engineering small scale projects, i just focused on activitypub here because it seems so strange and obvious to a rando like me.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 144d
DrCake@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 144d
I can’t believe Oracle has 10,000 employees to begin with. What the hell are they doing that even needs that many people to begin with?
VeryVito@lemmy.ml · 35 pts · 144d
Writing iron-clad, deal-with-the-devil level contracts that cannot be broken by mere customers. And nipping open-source projects in the bud via mergers and acquisitions.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 144d
These bastards grifted $300 million dollars from my state to build a single website for the Healthcare exchange after the ACA was passed. It never once worked and was scrapped for the federal government's own version immediately after its "release." To be fair, I also blame our state leaders for this as even your average moron could see this coming from a mile away. Even if it did work, who the fuck would spend 1/3 of a billion dollars to build a webpage.
BackgrndNoize@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 142d
Your state leaders weren't stupid, they were greedy corrupt piece of shits who were in on the scam with oracle
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 142d
I totally agree which is why i said even an average moron would have seen through this. They only like to pretend to be working for the people when elections are near.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 144d
They have way more than 100,000 employees
flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 144d
Firing 30,000 of them. You can't fire people if you don't hire them in the first place. And as you all know stock price jumps after big layoffs.
massacre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 144d
nutsack@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 143d
Java, mysql, vmware...
SocialMediaRefugee@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 143d
You should see their license fees
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 144d
Yeah, just like the other comment: likely mostly lawyers, lobbyists and trolls of all colors.
redlemace@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 144d
But hey! We are in on the AI bubble !! /s
allywilson@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 144d
When they renamed 23c to 23ai I cringed so hard. You don't install the DB and get an AI, you get an empty DB that has vectors.
partial_accumen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 144d
I mean, that wasn't the first rename for silly reasons. There is a long tradition of this for Oracle DB naming. That "c" in 23c meant "cloud". Nothing about the DB 23c required it to installed or run in the cloud. That was in 2012 with DB 12c. Before that in 2003 it was "g" in DB 10g for "grid" (remember the grid computing hype?). Before that in 1998 it was "i" in DB 8i for "internet".
AbidanYre@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 144d
Kinda late to the party aren't they?
CandleTiger@programming.dev · 2 pts · 144d
Oracle are not fast movers. But also this is not their first recent layoff.
maplesaga@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 144d
Feels like a month ago they were spending billions on some AI scheme.
itisileclerk@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 143d
Is this AI image or this scumbag is mimicking Trump's hair.
P1k1e@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 143d
Lol no he just looks like that
metermatic26@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 143d
Oracle completely missed the jump to cloud and, like Informatica or SAS, it’s been outcompeted by the likes of Microsoft, Google, Snowflake and Amazon for years now.
But hey, that’s not going to go down well with the shareholders, so just say you’re cutting jobs because you’re streamlining your business through the marvels of AI…
That said, who exactly are the people that are being let go? I can imagine the old guard still working at ‘their’ company, but firing young engineers hardly seems like a winning strategy
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 144d
We need socialism. Seriously!
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 144d
Wouldn't be surprised if, somewhere among these tens of thousands laid off this year so far, there's another Luigi willing to go full old school Teamster.
DarrinBrunner@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 144d
Looks like Luigi, assuming he did it, was a once in a lifetime. He was driven enough and smart enough to pull it off, and he attacked low-hanging fruit. Billionaires are surrounded by armed guards 24/7.
Maybe, just maybe, we'll get a disgruntled sniper back from Iran, assuming we get boots on the ground, and they'll be able to pull it off.
massacre@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 144d
Anyone taking odds on this being a prepare for the bubble popping vs. the corporate line that it's to invest further into AI?
ripcord@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 144d
It's just a continuation of the trend that's been going on for 2+ years now.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 143d
Monster.
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 144d
Time to organize
DylanMc6@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 144d
If that's NOT another reason to study socialist theory, then I DON'T know what is. Seriously! https://redsails.org/