Artemis II astronauts are struggling with Microsoft Outlook issues
https://www.pcgamer.com/software/windows/apparently-you-cant-escape-microsoft-outlook-issues-even-in-space-as-artemis-ii-astronauts-ask-nasa-for-help-with-the-software/
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orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 199 pts · 137d
Why in the everliving fuck would NASA put ANYTHING Microsoft into a spacecraft?
Akh@lemmy.world · 116 pts · 137d
Because Gates fucked Children with the President on Epstein’s Island…
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 137d
It's almost as if this bullshit project was just pork barrelling for overpriced contracts.
PissingIntoTheWind@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Bro. Moon travel isn’t bullshit. It’s necessary to save the planet. We need to go colonize outer orbit on massive colonies. Let the planet heal.
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 137d
The entire craft is built by giant US legacy corporations. Boeing, Lockheed, Northrop, etc. Microsoft is just one more in the pile.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 137d
Your laptop is built by "legacy corporations, " but if you put Linux on it, it works better.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 133d
I'm going to sound super stupid but w/e.
What happens to all your files when you install Linux?
It's just basically a GUI, right so does Linux create its own space and ignore what's there?
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 133d
All operating systems we tend to use have filesystems. A filesystem is a methodology for writing data in a way that the OS can read. Windows included.
When you install a new OS, such as linux, you must choose how to allocate your disk space. You can use the whole disk - which would format and rewrite the system to be compatible with the flavor of linux you chose - or you can reallocate space on the drive if you have enough. This will move around the available free space, create the filesystem I just mentioned on that free space you designated, and leave your old windows files intact.
You can now interact with these from the Linux side with the right commands (mounting the windows partition and gaining access). You could even "dual boot," which would allow you to choose which OS you want to go to at startup.
I've HIGHLY simplified this since it's just a quick explanation, but that's the gist of it. There are obviously more scenarios, pitfalls, etc.
When I was first starting out in like 1996 or 1997, I was running FreeBSD 2.2.2. I accidentally wiped my system so many times that I stopped caring what got lost. It took me a while before I understood what the hell I was doing. Poring over man pages and instructions to figure it out.
atro_city@fedia.io · 0 pts · 133d
Windows and Linux are like an operators in a warehouse. Windows knows some ways to store stuff and keep track of what is stores, Linux knows some ways too. Sometimes the way they store stuff overlaps, sometimes it doesn't. If you put Linux into a warehouse that Windows operated, by default, Linux will be able to find boxes and stuff, but the Windows operator has some small tricks up their sleeve to make it harder to put things back at the right place, remove boxes, or add new ones, and of course Windows has kept it a secret.
If you want to find all your boxes in a Windows warehouse and continue using the warehouse without being afraid of squishing a small box with a big one because the piece of paper Windows uses has some secret handwriting that was misinterpreted for "there's no box here", it's better to take out all the boxes, let Linux setup it's storage system, and then put the boxes back in.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 133d
So backup and restore into Linux what I can.
atro_city@fedia.io · 1 pts · 133d
Correct
Tolookah@discuss.tchncs.de · 15 pts · 137d
They are going to space to seed the cloud
possiblylinux127@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 137d
It is a personal device
lagoon8622@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 137d
Personal devices running Outlook should be rapidly deorbited
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 137d
You would think that Microsoft would be like this is going to space. Let's pull out all the stops. But no, it's the same corporate crap!
dellish@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
And of all things, an email client?? What the fuck are they doing?
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 137d
Porn.
atro_city@fedia.io · 0 pts · 133d
Astronauts sending each other dickpics confirmed!
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
I sometimes wonder if the Microsoft haters are in a bubble or if people who remember just how fucked up Microsoft was are just starting to age out at this point. I would like to think that Anyone who follows security related news and current tech news are also aware just how shit Microsoft is (and always was), but again, I migjt be very biased lol
Me, and the rest of the member of the various unix enthusit groups I belong to, would never ever ever want anything to do with Microsoft unless we are forced to use it for some stupid reason.
For all we know, there might have been one person high up in the chain of command that is not aware just how fucking bad Microsoft is.
I have a feeling a lot of people will be asking NASA a lot of questions about it, now that there is a huge spotlight on it.
orbituary@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 136d
I have a foot on both sides of the fence. I work with MS products for a living, doing all sorts of stuff with AD - ask me specifics if you actually want to know - but I run Linux at home. Arch on my laptop, a variant on my NAS, a very scaled down one thing on a terminal, and I started my whole computer world on FreeBSD 2.2.2 back in 1997.
People in NASA who do real work know. They're like everyone else. They just don't have clout. So, if a C-level dipshit says "We're using Outlook on the space ship," that's that.
Isthisreddit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 134d
Yes, I think we are on the same page on this one lol
wesdym@mastodon.social · 1 pts · 136d
@Isthisreddit It's incredible to me that NASA was stupid enough to ever trust MS, never mind anything as horrible as Outlook.
empireOfLove2@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 149 pts · 137d
Space Force TV show continues to fulfill the prophecy.
daw@feddit.org · 2 pts · 136d
Shame that show was cancelled 🫠
rumba@lemmy.zip · 112 pts · 137d
If only there were low-bandwidth, straight-forward, well tested email clients.....
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 137d
They're on a 600Mbps connection, bandwidth isn't the problem.
Darohan@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 136d
Bro what do you mean the moon mission has faster internet than me? 😭
amorpheus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
Probably also a different price range.
FauxLiving@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
They're testing an optical communication system that will eventually give them 100+ Gbps (only 250ish Mbps for this mission)!
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 110 pts · 137d
"NASA says they'll remotely connect to the computer to see what the problem is."
'Hello, this is your NASA certified Microsoft certied tech support, you need to send us gift cards to unblock your computer"
Burghler@sh.itjust.works · 59 pts · 137d
"WHY HAVE YOU REDEEM"
Agent641@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 137d
DOOOOO NOOOT REDEEEM!
Olgratin_Magmatoe@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 137d
Kitboga is the best
Agent641@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
"The soul called Mr Barrister John Warosa" intensifies
Assassassin@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 73 pts · 137d
Also known as "nominal outlook performance"
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 61 pts · 137d
It seems you have problems with running your multi billion dollar rocket. Would you like me to help you with that?
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
100 billion dollar budget.
dizzle18@lemmy.zip · 60 pts · 137d
Imagine being literally off the planet and still be expected to check your work email.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 137d
I mean if you are on a work trip it is pretty standard
sugarfoot00@lemmy.ca · 12 pts · 137d
Gotta submit their timesheets.
filcuk@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 136d
Wednesday: 24 hours space travel
Thursday: 24 hours space travel
Ahh, gotta remember to submit the fuel receipts
dizzle18@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 136d
Sorry boss, went a bit over on fuel costs this trip. If I need to chip in a few hundred million from my personal account, I can make it work.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 53 pts · 137d
You would think that the absolute basic, minimum requirement for taking something on a space mission is that it complies with open standards.
If you have standards compliant programs, it's easy to set up a back-up client in case the primary doesn't work. If your email is "Outlook" and you are tied to the outlook server and something breaks, there's your single point of failure. Sucks to be you.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
What if the problem is server side
ripcord@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 137d
What if the problem is DNS
Zink@programming.dev · 4 pts · 137d
That's impossible. They don't even have that in space.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
I looked it up and apparently: is it DNS
Zink@programming.dev · 1 pts · 136d
There I go getting the Narrator: It was treatment!
Hupf@feddit.org · 1 pts · 136d
Why not, aren't they also handling https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timekeeping_on_the_Moon
DNS would be the same logic. Maybe we should even have some higher levels than before. Name.country.moon.planet.star.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 136d
Why not? Friggin' surrounded by internet satellites up there, their ping times must be in the minuses
Zink@programming.dev · 1 pts · 136d
Yeah I bet there is absolutely DNS in space, but that didn't fit the joke, lol.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 136d
Mfw my addition to the bit was too camouflaged
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 137d
Haha yeah, I use outlook at work as a webpage in LibreWolf in Linux, so even with open stuff on my local hardware I can definitely still have outlook issues.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 137d
It's easy to set up high-availability for servers running on the ground.
ripcord@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
Easy?
And all problems are solved by high availability?
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 137d
The rare occasion when "It's not rocket science!" means it's harder.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 35 pts · 137d
silver@das-eck.haus · 27 pts · 137d
Wtf do they need email for in space
Hupf@feddit.org · 21 pts · 137d
In space, no one can hear you call tech support.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 137d
Who the f permits taking unverified software on a space trip?
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 137d
This is just… so perfectly emblematic of where we are as a society.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 136d
Why would you not use internal NASA programmed software? Oh wait, we're beyond that now, we just ask Claude to vomit up a mess from its exabytes of source code and vibe our way to the Moon!!!
sheogorath@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 136d
Is NASA using Claude? It makes me shudder to think that people are developing mission critical (literally, not that corpo bullshit) software using LLMs.
middlemanSI@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 137d
They say Microslop CoPilot is already on the case.
Angrydeuce@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
The best part is there was literally an MS service outage just this afternoon. Email was seemingly flowing but admin portal was fucked and returned nothing but "service unavailable".
mechoman444@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 137d
This made me laugh harder than I expected.
Boppel@feddit.org · 18 pts · 137d
they rely on microsoft?!?
holy shit, and here i thought the job is dangerous as is.
inari@piefed.zip · 7 pts · 137d
Can you imagine if Copilot fucks up the mission
Boppel@feddit.org · 3 pts · 137d
ai and microsoft. it's like a entshittyfication bingo. chivers down my spine.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 136d
Let this be a lesson about putting windows OS on space equipment.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 133d
Let this be a lesson about putting it anywhere.
Angryhumanoid@fedinsfw.app · 10 pts · 137d
See? They're just like us!
nuko147@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 137d
Microsoft, because sucking only on one planet isn't enough..
devolution@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 137d
Microsoft has always been questionable at best but ever since Steve Ballmer left, is been incredibly shit.
phoenixarise@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 137d
What a surprise. Microslop
Airfried@piefed.social · 8 pts · 137d
The Apollo 13 movie sequel will be wild...
dellish@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
Trying to imagine Jim Lovell's reaction when Apollo 13 blue-screens and has to reboot. What an amateurish shitshow NASA has become.
Angrydeuce@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
"Id love to, you know, land on the moon, but unfortunately it can't verify my license with the server so most of the functionality is locked out. Did you guys forget to pay the sub again this month?"
fargeol@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 136d
User : "Houston, we've had a problem! There's an electrical outage and CO2 is accumulating, what should I do?"
ChatGPT: "Just open the windows!"
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 137d
embarrassing.
DupaCycki@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 137d
So they're not only using Microslop in offices, but also on space missions...? Gee, I wonder why they've been failing to return to the Moon for 50 years...
Eryn6844@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 137d
screw outlook? WTF where is thunderbird when you need it.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 137d
I've been using Evolution mail client, it seems to work well for outlook accounts if you enable IMAP access in the outlook account. I have to be able to get my work emails at home.
DioramaOfShit@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 137d
Have they tried unplugging it and plugging it back in?
0oWow@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
Don't worry, the Microsoft
spywaretelemetry will tell them what went wrong.Blaster_M@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 137d
Shoulda installed Thunderbird
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 137d
I give them a 45% chance of coming back
lemmydividebyzero@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 136d
They need to open the event viewer now, which takes 2 minutes.
collapse_already@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 136d
Maybe someone should introduce them to PINE and SMTP and MIME.
Etterra@discuss.online · 3 pts · 136d
I never would have thought that astronauts could be so relatable.
Cnote5@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 136d
TCP/IP?
OrteilGenou@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 136d
Evil_Shrubbery@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 137d
... it would be pretty
funnymagnificent if the engineers would (have to) talk them through how to deMicroSlop themselves & install foss OS & foss apps.They have more than enough time.
Bot@sub.community · 1 pts · 134d
I miss BlackBerry
green_red_black@slrpnk.net · -3 pts · 137d
smh@slrpnk.net · 4 pts · 137d
Having a hardware solution to a problem doesn't mean you had a hardware problem. You might have had a software problem that could be solved with hardware.
Basic example: I had an issue with the controls in a game, where I kept accidentally pressing the Windows key which swapped me to a different view. I'd say having the OS swap programs is a software problem.
My solution was to remove that keycap so I'd stop pressing it. The "proper" solution was some esoteric key press combination that disabled the Windows key.