Jenner noted that the policy could affect her ability to vote, adding that she did not believe the policy was "really thought out, what this means."
Oh, no, it was thought out: demonize and literally cast out trans people, removing their ability to work, move away, or be vocal in support of themselves. Then you move them into camps, either for "their protection" or to "protect society from them".
She described having the sex marker M on her passport as a "big problem," adding: "I don't blame President Trump. I love him." Jenner said she appealed to him for help but received no response. Then the iron door to the gas chamber was slammed shut and locked from the outside. No further comment from Jenner has been forthcoming since.
Hi Caitlyn! I do believe your supreme leader wants people like you to vanish, by shutting up, by being invisible or why not by dying.
I would normally say don't submit to any of that, you have our support. But in your case out of loyalty, maybe you should shut up, find a spot to lay low, and become invisible. You see I'm much nicer to you than him: I do NOT wish you to die!
She thought she was one of the "good ones" who wouldn't be affected. I guess the problem with focusing so much on sports instead of education is that you never heard of Himmler's "one good Jew" speech. Which was essentially that everyone knew "one good Jew" that they would save but if they did that, almost every Jewish person in the country would be saved, so there would be no exceptions for "good" Jewish people. [Excluding, of course, Hitler's mother's Jewish doctor, who Hitler ordered the Gestapo to protect, and whom Hitler eventually helped emigrate to the US, along with all his personal wealth.]
The only policy not really thought out was her policy of blind loyalty towards someone who would dehumanize her to whatever extend possible, and when those were exhausted invent new ways to do so.
I'm a trans woman living abroad. I'm in the middle of reviving my documents from my birth country because my US passport is about to expire but I can't renew it. It has caused a ton of stress as you'd Imagine. I'm grateful I have a second country to fall back on, but a lot of people in the same position don't, and it's absolutely terrifying and a human rights violation.
All just to say, on behalf of the trans community, choke on a gangrenous dick Caitlyn
Bonus: Kudos to my Central American birth country for understanding and being massively helpful after 30 years away
My trans sister from abroad is in the process of getting her passport from her other citizenship and they only recognize her ghost identity. But it is better than the rights currently afforded under USA law so we're getting her protected.
Thailand is my favorite place for trans culture (aside from bro exploitation behavior from tourist). I love that Thai people just do not care or judge, it's just a normal thing.
I recommend it! Thai people are super direct about things and not very sensitive so it might be a little weird at first. For example, a Thai person will call their friend fat to their face if they're overweight in friendly banter and it's acceptable because that person is actually fat and they know it and laugh along with their friend. It's why the term "lady boy" isn't a perjorative there. For Thai people it's just someone who is trans and hasn't had any operations. They call themselves that loudly and proudly and if you don't like it then fuck you is basically the give. I love it and they were some of the most fun people I've met.
"I haven't heard from him," she said. "He's kind of busy right now. My gender marker is not big on the issue. OK. So I get that, and I'm not blaming him whatsoever. I love the guy, and I love what he's doing."
Take a stance or STFU. If you love it, then STFU and take it like a beta. It's what you want.
Leaking all the government's personally identifiable information on its population to Musk via DOGE? Good for the rich.
With DOGE, everybody charged with securing these buildings and agencies just stood aside, and let these arrogant, disrespectful, UNSANCTIONED children, led and paid by a foreign Oligarch, plunder every bit of our data, and dismantle every regulatory agency that was investigating his companies. He went in with many investigations and lawsuits, and came out with none, and the combined governmental data of every single American citizen. It was nothing less than 21st Century PIRACY.
The first DOGE team that tried to breach a Federal Agency should have been gunned down in the lobby. That would have solved a whole lot of problems right there. Nothing in the aftermath of that action could compare with the irreparable damage DOGE did to this country. And on the heels of their success have been many more grifters, like Palantir, Lewandowski's Syndicate, the crypto scammers, the poly market riggers, the stock market manipulators, and more.
We've seen how MAGA falls apart at the slightest resistance. They NEVER think past the first step. A few bullets right up front, followed by a long, loud, noisy trial about the rights of foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs and the Epstein Predatory Class to exploit the rest of us for everything in our lives would have been productive by stopping their Blitzkreig right up front.
If it's one thing we've learned from these losers (by being even bigger losers), is that we should always call their bluff, because they are ALWAYS bluffing.
We may have lost in the past, but we have intelligence and morality, something they do not possess, respect, or even understand. We can learn and improve, they can't. They are virtuosically incompetent, and they'll stay stupid, and that's our competitive edge.
So it's time that we learned from our mistakes, pledge to not repeat them, form a coherent plan, and take back the planet from the MAGA Apes.
I remember being a kid and for a while Jenner was literally The American. The athlete on the cereal box, on the TV, in the news.
Don't give in to the hate, people. Associate yourself with the polity that embraces a diverse, pluralistic democracy and who value science over faith. Else the leopards eat your face.
I understand that your comment relies on the understanding that Caitlyn Jenner's deadname is Bruce Jenner, that the joke is that she participated in a racing series that's nearly "Am Trans", and that she went by Bruce when she was actively racing.
To avoid deadnaming, I'd still ask that you use language like "Caitlyn Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner) was [...]" and "The series she participated in [...]" (or something similar). I totally get that none of your comment was meant as transphobia; I even used to think that "historical deadnaming" was the best way to write to avoid confusion, so I sympathize. I eventually realized, though, as e.g. on Wikipedia's article for Elliot Page, that using their real gender and their chosen name historically is not confusing and is just more accurate to how being transgender actually works – i.e. that it's not a decision somebody makes one day.
I don't think it's severe enough to rub up against Lemmy.World Terms of Service Rule 1.2 as "discrimination against queer groups", so this is just a polite request and hopefully food for thought.
Serious question here. If someone was well known as a previous name and sex, is it still deadnaming to refer to them that was in a historical context? They’re a perfect example here. If looking for historical information on their racing history and articles, you have to refer to them as Bruce.
IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary.
My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then.
In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely
CJ deserves this shit and I hope Donald makes her roll around in it. It's one thing when it's a random joe getting targeted for fascism and another when you're an independently wealthy collaborator who knows full well the monster you're supporting.
I don't understand her argument. She says it's a safety factor to have the correct gender marker on her passport. What countries is she going to where changing your gender is a safety concern? Why would you go to such countries????
Transphobia as a means of attacking a horrible woman who severely and intentionally harmed the trans community is still transphobia and only continues the harm. Please do better.
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aramis87@fedia.io · 212 pts · 129d
Oh, no, it was thought out: demonize and literally cast out trans people, removing their ability to work, move away, or be vocal in support of themselves. Then you move them into camps, either for "their protection" or to "protect society from them".
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 170 pts · 128d
My favorite part is:
Their supreme leader can do not wrong.
Totally not a cult, though.
Generica@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 128d
She described having the sex marker M on her passport as a "big problem," adding: "I don't blame President Trump. I love him." Jenner said she appealed to him for help but received no response. Then the iron door to the gas chamber was slammed shut and locked from the outside. No further comment from Jenner has been forthcoming since.
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 128d
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 128d
Hi Caitlyn! I do believe your supreme leader wants people like you to vanish, by shutting up, by being invisible or why not by dying.
I would normally say don't submit to any of that, you have our support. But in your case out of loyalty, maybe you should shut up, find a spot to lay low, and become invisible. You see I'm much nicer to you than him: I do NOT wish you to die!
manxu@piefed.social · 73 pts · 128d
The policy was not really thought out?
It was exactly what Trump and his Heritage buddies wanted. Guess the one who didn't really think things through is one Caitlyn Jenner.
aramis87@fedia.io · 46 pts · 128d
She thought she was one of the "good ones" who wouldn't be affected. I guess the problem with focusing so much on sports instead of education is that you never heard of Himmler's "one good Jew" speech. Which was essentially that everyone knew "one good Jew" that they would save but if they did that, almost every Jewish person in the country would be saved, so there would be no exceptions for "good" Jewish people. [Excluding, of course, Hitler's mother's Jewish doctor, who Hitler ordered the Gestapo to protect, and whom Hitler eventually helped emigrate to the US, along with all his personal wealth.]
GuyFawkesV@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 128d
The only policy not really thought out was her policy of blind loyalty towards someone who would dehumanize her to whatever extend possible, and when those were exhausted invent new ways to do so.
AnchoriteMagus@lemmy.world · 130 pts · 129d
"Surely this leopard won't eat MY face?"
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 116 pts · 129d
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 129d
You can call me Shirley. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
aeronmelon@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 128d
“And baby when you call me, you can call me Al.”
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 128d
Just call me maybe?
nop@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 128d
Maybe you're gonna be the one that saves me
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 128d
Maybe, this is getting out of hand
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
Look everyone, this making it hard to concentrate
I've got to concentrate . . . concentrate concentrate . . ..
I've got to concentrate . . . concentrate concentrate . . ..
Hello?
Echo . . . Echo . . . Echo . . ..
Pitch hitting for Pedro Borbón . . ..
CapuccinoCoretto@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
Hello?
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 128d
Hello
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 128d
Is it me you're looking for?
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d
in the distance Paul Simon horns start playing WHY AM I SOFT IN THE MIDDLE
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 118 pts · 128d
I'm a trans woman living abroad. I'm in the middle of reviving my documents from my birth country because my US passport is about to expire but I can't renew it. It has caused a ton of stress as you'd Imagine. I'm grateful I have a second country to fall back on, but a lot of people in the same position don't, and it's absolutely terrifying and a human rights violation.
All just to say, on behalf of the trans community, choke on a gangrenous dick Caitlyn
Bonus: Kudos to my Central American birth country for understanding and being massively helpful after 30 years away
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 128d
My trans sister from abroad is in the process of getting her passport from her other citizenship and they only recognize her ghost identity. But it is better than the rights currently afforded under USA law so we're getting her protected.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 6 pts · 128d
“Gangrenous” is a nice touch
prenatal_confusion@feddit.org · 2 pts · 128d
How does it feel? To the touch I mean
vilastromaz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d
Thailand is my favorite place for trans culture (aside from bro exploitation behavior from tourist). I love that Thai people just do not care or judge, it's just a normal thing.
Witchfire@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
I've actually heard similar stories from other trans friends who've gone there!
vilastromaz@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 128d
I recommend it! Thai people are super direct about things and not very sensitive so it might be a little weird at first. For example, a Thai person will call their friend fat to their face if they're overweight in friendly banter and it's acceptable because that person is actually fat and they know it and laugh along with their friend. It's why the term "lady boy" isn't a perjorative there. For Thai people it's just someone who is trans and hasn't had any operations. They call themselves that loudly and proudly and if you don't like it then fuck you is basically the give. I love it and they were some of the most fun people I've met.
GorillaSheep4130@lemmy.zip · 73 pts · 128d
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d
Ha! Good one.
spaghettiwestern@sh.itjust.works · 66 pts · 128d
This ghoul wouldn't give a crap if she wasn't directly affected. Typical conservative.
banazir@lemmy.ml · 58 pts · 128d
"I don't blame President Trump. I love him."
Janx@piefed.social · 57 pts · 129d
You stupid bitch... You enabled him and his awful policies!
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 54 pts · 128d
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 128d
TribblesBestFriend@startrek.website · 3 pts · 128d
Love it
ramenshaman@lemmy.world · 47 pts · 128d
Who could have seen this coming?
Oh, right. Everyone.
agingelderly@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 128d
Ftfy
RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works · 40 pts · 128d
Take a stance or STFU. If you love it, then STFU and take it like a beta. It's what you want.
8oow3291d@feddit.dk · 16 pts · 128d
What exactly is it she thinks Trump is doing so well? Trump genuinely has done nothing good, right?
Sunflier@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 128d
Everything he's done has been good . . . for the rich. Overwhelmingly cut taxes for the top? Good for the rich.
Overwhelmingly print money? Good for the rich.
Decimate the communities of the poor? Good for the rich.
Hike up gas prices? Good for the rich.
Scapegoat a vulnerable population when people were starting to realize how caustic the Epstein class is? Good for the rich.
Killing off infrastructure and mass-transit projects? Good for the rich.
Spying on and setting up a massive database on the general population? Good for the rich.
Leaking all the government's personally identifiable information on its population to Musk via DOGE? Good for the rich.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 128d
*Good for the rich in the short term
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 128d
With DOGE, everybody charged with securing these buildings and agencies just stood aside, and let these arrogant, disrespectful, UNSANCTIONED children, led and paid by a foreign Oligarch, plunder every bit of our data, and dismantle every regulatory agency that was investigating his companies. He went in with many investigations and lawsuits, and came out with none, and the combined governmental data of every single American citizen. It was nothing less than 21st Century PIRACY.
The first DOGE team that tried to breach a Federal Agency should have been gunned down in the lobby. That would have solved a whole lot of problems right there. Nothing in the aftermath of that action could compare with the irreparable damage DOGE did to this country. And on the heels of their success have been many more grifters, like Palantir, Lewandowski's Syndicate, the crypto scammers, the poly market riggers, the stock market manipulators, and more.
We've seen how MAGA falls apart at the slightest resistance. They NEVER think past the first step. A few bullets right up front, followed by a long, loud, noisy trial about the rights of foreign Sociopathic Oligarchs and the Epstein Predatory Class to exploit the rest of us for everything in our lives would have been productive by stopping their Blitzkreig right up front.
If it's one thing we've learned from these losers (by being even bigger losers), is that we should always call their bluff, because they are ALWAYS bluffing.
We may have lost in the past, but we have intelligence and morality, something they do not possess, respect, or even understand. We can learn and improve, they can't. They are virtuosically incompetent, and they'll stay stupid, and that's our competitive edge.
So it's time that we learned from our mistakes, pledge to not repeat them, form a coherent plan, and take back the planet from the MAGA Apes.
nymnympseudonym@piefed.social · 35 pts · 129d
I remember being a kid and for a while Jenner was literally The American. The athlete on the cereal box, on the TV, in the news.
Don't give in to the hate, people. Associate yourself with the polity that embraces a diverse, pluralistic democracy and who value science over faith. Else the leopards eat your face.
lemonhead2@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 129d
wait, was she a trump supporter?
wander1236@sh.itjust.works · 105 pts · 129d
Caitlyn Jenner is one of the most famous examples of pulling the ladder up after yourself
Clent@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 34 pts · 128d
She's clearly still got at least one foot on the ladder or she wouldn't be raising an issue here. That's a special kind of stupid.
YesButActuallyMaybe@lemmy.ca · 16 pts · 128d
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 129d
True story: Bruce Jenner was an active race car driver in the 90s. The series he participated in was the Trans Am series.
Skullgrid@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 128d
This better not awaken something in them
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 128d
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world MOD · 10 pts · 128d
I understand that your comment relies on the understanding that Caitlyn Jenner's deadname is Bruce Jenner, that the joke is that she participated in a racing series that's nearly "Am Trans", and that she went by Bruce when she was actively racing.
To avoid deadnaming, I'd still ask that you use language like "Caitlyn Jenner (formerly Bruce Jenner) was [...]" and "The series she participated in [...]" (or something similar). I totally get that none of your comment was meant as transphobia; I even used to think that "historical deadnaming" was the best way to write to avoid confusion, so I sympathize. I eventually realized, though, as e.g. on Wikipedia's article for Elliot Page, that using their real gender and their chosen name historically is not confusing and is just more accurate to how being transgender actually works – i.e. that it's not a decision somebody makes one day.
I don't think it's severe enough to rub up against Lemmy.World Terms of Service Rule 1.2 as "discrimination against queer groups", so this is just a polite request and hopefully food for thought.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · -1 pts · 128d
LOL. Lemmy... downvoted for facts.
EponymousBosh@awful.systems · 18 pts · 128d
Downvoted for deadnaming someone. It'd be a decent joke otherwise.
ramble81@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 128d
Serious question here. If someone was well known as a previous name and sex, is it still deadnaming to refer to them that was in a historical context? They’re a perfect example here. If looking for historical information on their racing history and articles, you have to refer to them as Bruce.
EponymousBosh@awful.systems · 13 pts · 128d
IMO, best practice is still to use the current name/pronouns. I think it's OK to say something like "Caitlyn, formerly known as Bruce" if clarity is needed and then proceed with current name going forward. In this instance, everyone knew who we were talking about so it was unnecessary.
CrackedLinuxISO@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 128d
My personal take: If I'm synthesizing historical information and recounting it in the current day, I would use their current name and pronouns. The person they are today (or died as) still did those things. It also gives space to recognize that, although they might not gave had the opportunity to be out as a trans person during those achievements, doesn't mean they didn't feel trans back then.
Janx@piefed.social · 4 pts · 128d
They didn't. Jenner went by Bruce and their gender identity was male at the time.
EponymousBosh@awful.systems · 7 pts · 128d
Still best practice to use current name unless the person has specified otherwise.
hamid@crazypeople.online · 6 pts · 128d
In 2020 I was recalling a story about wanting to be them as a kid because of the Wheaties box and deadnamed them and people got really really mad at me. I had absolutely no idea they were the same person as Caitlyn Jenner, never seen or knew anything about the Kardashian's and had no idea they didn't just fall off and disappear completely
binarytobis@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
Like you, I am almost completely unaware of anything said or done by the Kardashians, and I love that for both of us.
FoxyFerengi@startrek.website · 13 pts · 128d
There are plenty of recent pictures of her at Mar-a-lago. She's not just a supporter, she's someone that has been to his parties
BurgerBaron@piefed.social · 8 pts · 128d
Still is.
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 22 pts · 128d
Lol. Lmao even
MapleFawn@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 19 pts · 128d
How about the ancient forgotten ‘ROFL’ maybe even a ROFl-Copter?
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 128d
ROFLMAO
betahack@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 128d
get fucked Jenner
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 128d
The leopard obesity epidemic is reaching epic proportions
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 128d
I can't get behind that, I got my own problems. You take on the leopard obesity problem, see where that gets you. I think we can all predict.
PalmTreeIsBestTree@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
Bruh that leopard should be on my 600 pound life
W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 128d
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 128d
Stupid bitch.
I was going to come up with something less crass to say, but this stupid bitch doesn't deserve it.
TwilitSky@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 128d
Caitlyn Jenner is a total car crash.
pyre@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 128d
hmmmmmmmmm
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 10 pts · 128d
"Except MEEEEE!!"
Archangel1313@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 128d
I am shocked at how much I don't care about this person's problems.
FlashMobOfOne@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 128d
No criticisms of this one.
CJ deserves this shit and I hope Donald makes her roll around in it. It's one thing when it's a random joe getting targeted for fascism and another when you're an independently wealthy collaborator who knows full well the monster you're supporting.
motogo@feddit.dk · 8 pts · 128d
Hypocrite!
AntiBullyRanger@ani.social · 1 pts · 128d
For Conservatives, that is a praise word.
For Nazis, a “Heil.”
silver_wings_of_morning@feddit.dk · 8 pts · 128d
At least something positive came out of it
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 128d
Seems like it is legal for her to travel internationally, but is scared of being outed by the passport.
Triumph@fedia.io · 6 pts · 129d
Lol no
RedRibbonArmy@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 128d
I don't understand her argument. She says it's a safety factor to have the correct gender marker on her passport. What countries is she going to where changing your gender is a safety concern? Why would you go to such countries????
matlag@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 128d
The answer is most likely US on her way back…
Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 128d
TSA or ICE or the police see agab on your ID they may beat you or abduct you, etc.
finalaccountforreal@piefed.social · 4 pts · 128d
Excellent work on those pictures, bravo
Iheartcheese@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
Stupid bitch.
GreenBeanMachine@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
Reygle@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 128d
No
RumorsOfLove@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 128d
https://youtu.be/BiSpnOVUU7E?t=2380
devolution@lemmy.world · -27 pts · 129d
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 128d
Bruce is dead. Kaitlyn is a cunt
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 128d
And not an ozzie one, a bad one
null@piefed.nullspace.lol · 21 pts · 129d
Nah, not okay
TheTechnician27@lemmy.world MOD · 18 pts · 128d
Transphobia as a means of attacking a horrible woman who severely and intentionally harmed the trans community is still transphobia and only continues the harm. Please do better.
pooberbee@lemmy.ml · 15 pts · 128d
You don't speak for us