Well, i do know someone who married a guy with a brother. Cheated with the brother, divorced the guy, then married the brother. Oh, and kids are involved. Say hi to Uncle Daddy!
There's a window of time in early childhood (up to about the age of 6) where, if raised with other kids, such individuals will develop a repulsion at the idea of having sex with each other. It happens with siblings, but it can also happen with people we're unrelated to - just growing up in the same household. It's called the Westermark Effect.
If anon wants a chance at this, his best bet would be to find twins that were raised apart from each other. Quite a tall order.
twincest cannot cause more abnormalities than "regular" (gross) sibling incest. If a set of twins are of diferent sex they are not identical, ie they come from different sperm and different egg. Same as any sibling pair
Almost... What you're saying is only true for fraternal or dizygotic twins. It's possible for a fertilized egg to divide in a way that it separates and both cells grow into twins, these are called monozygotic twins. Now, usually monozygotic twins are usually of the same gender but, there can be mutations. And even in those, the chance of both being fertile is rarer, because of the chance that the mutations usually are X0 leading to Turner's syndrome in the female child.
Well incest bad also because it tends to ruin families regardless of gender. Most of the time it resolves around an older sibling taking advantage of a younger child and has the power dynamics of any other type of pedophillia
Even when it's equitable and between adults people's psychology treats sexual partners differently. Introducing sexual relationship dynamics : potential jealouslies, the desire of siblings to grow apart and the secrecy pressures of keeping their relationship secret can up the risks of siblings hating each other.
That's no law, that's just the definition. Laws concerning incest differ from country to country but afaik they usually involve penis in vagina penetration (because of, frankly, outdated definitions of "sex") so twin sisters could go at it if they like.
The thing is, if I were a twin-fucking-twin, and some greasey netizen came up asking if I and my twin where interested a (2*1+1)some, my first reaction would not be that this is a person I trust enough to share my intimate desires with even if those desires were aligned.
There was a story circulating a few years ago about a pair of twins who strive to be “the most identical twins in the world”, which includes sharing a fiancé and timing their pregnancies for the same date. It is not mentioned whether they bang each other though (not something I care to speculate about lol).
I suppose the first step to making the OP’s fantasy possible would be having massive amounts of money.
It sounds like you'd have to train for it, like synchronized swimmers or Olympic floor dance routines or ballet performances. Get it right and it's incredible. But you're spending days, weeks, months mostly just crashing into one another and ending up in a pile of flailing limbs, feeling resentful because the other two didn't hit their marks.
There's a different story where a pair of twin women married a pair of twin guys, all four living together, and are all dedicated to basically living mirrored lives with each other.
Each couple had a child and while the children would be cousins they are genetically siblings. A fun fact amidst what is either mental illness, closeted polyamory, or both.
That’s crazy - I’m a pair of twin sisters who like to have sex with other, but what we’d really like is to find a guy with absolutely no social skills or sexual experience to join us, and not just as a one-off thing but on an ongoing relationship basis.
Edit: This and the previous comment are a reference to the movie Office Space. The scene is quoted verbatim below and one person did a nice riff on it.
Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
[Peter laughs and then notices Lawrence's dead serious expression]
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
If you're not an asshole and you bring your date out to a nice Michelin level meal, you're probably getting laid. Compared to McDonald's, you'll have a much better shot. Not rocket science.
Na it's complicated, you impress them too much they think you might be husband material and they wont wanna sleep on the first date because they dont wanna appear slutty. Sometimes women wanna get laid too, and a casual mcdonalds run gives that chill vibe where you can just fuck and not think about where is this going long term. Personally i have like a ten percent rate getting laid after going out and spending a lot of money, dressing up to a nice restaurant, than just casually meeting up maybe i spend money on fast food maybe i dont, that's more like a 50% hookup rate to be honest.
He doesn't need all chicks though. He just needs that one chick with a twin sister that's down for a threesome. I'm close to 100% certain those twins exist, given that you have enough cash.
I'm not meaning to judge anyone, I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of people that are willing to stretch their personal boundaries for cash. OP just needs to find those people.
Most chicks (and dudes) would prefer someone with money compared to one of equal attractiveness and broke. It’s part of the whole package.
There’s something like enough money, where having more doesn’t increase your freedom or happiness that much anymore. At some point you’re just getting the custom gold plated luxury version of a thing. A Cartier watch tells the time same as a Citizen.
For physical attraction it’s similar. There’s a level of beautiful enough, after which other factor might matter more. An 8/10 with great sex life is better than a 10/10 prude starfish.
Incest? Mormons don't promote incest. Polygamy, absolutely, incest, no. White Mormons do tend to be more closely related than normal, but certainly not close enough to cause any issues. My parents are 9th cousins.
This feels like one of those "I've never kissed a girl before, but I've watched a lot of porn" fantasies that works great in your head and horrible in practice.
Every time I deliver a pizza to the posh kid's neighborhood, there's inevitably a pair of 19 year old twins wearing lingerie, covered in whipped cream, whom I've interrupted in the middle of a pillow right. And I have to tell them "No no no, there's no other way to pay me. I only accept cash or plastic."
I think there's a pair of such in Minnesota who share a single body with two heads. I vaguely remembered hearing they got married, but according to wikipedia... Only one of them got married.
That must be an awkward sex life.
Them being twins is not really important, is it? The core of anon's fantasy is that he wants to sleep with two sisters who also get all incesty with each other.
Some twins (most?) are not identical, so they're therefore indistinguishable from normal siblings unless you're some sort of age detective.
Twincest is probably the least icky type of incest. Since there is no age gap, same size and they’d know each other in and out. And in many cases same intelligence and personalities are the same or fully compatible. So the power dynamic is more equal than non twin siblings. At least if one isn’t mentally handicapped. Though still incest.
This has the same energy as those guys who go on niche hobby forums looking for "easy steps" thinking they're going to get rich quick doing something that takes years to refine, but actually they will end up buying the wrong chemical or some shit and end up disfigured for life after inhaling the deadly gases that the "nerds" online repeatedly warned them about
116 Comments
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 164 pts · 119d
elvith@feddit.org · 26 pts · 118d
...so you took the matter into your own hands?
voodooattack@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 118d
Both of them?
elvith@feddit.org · 6 pts · 118d
Insert joke about penis size here
atro_city@fedia.io · 6 pts · 118d
Insert joke about penis count here
DancingBear@midwest.social · 2 pts · 118d
humorlessrepost@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
My chocolate starfish and gonna hotdog itself.
toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 153 pts · 119d
Well, i do know someone who married a guy with a brother. Cheated with the brother, divorced the guy, then married the brother. Oh, and kids are involved. Say hi to Uncle Daddy!
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 119d
Was that how you came up with your username?
Gaja0@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 118d
Reading is hard
Tioleto b server
toiletobserver@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 118d
Nailed it
neukenindekeuken@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 118d
How...uh...how is their whole life going now?
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 118d
Username applies
chicken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 117 pts · 119d
It's funny that instead of imagining finding people who are actually into that, anon defaults to the frog boiling manipulation approach
python@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 119d
taygaloocat@leminal.space · 50 pts · 119d
I can't imagine that many twins fuck. It's still incest, there's probably genetic factors that stop them being into that
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 119d
There's a window of time in early childhood (up to about the age of 6) where, if raised with other kids, such individuals will develop a repulsion at the idea of having sex with each other. It happens with siblings, but it can also happen with people we're unrelated to - just growing up in the same household. It's called the Westermark Effect.
If anon wants a chance at this, his best bet would be to find twins that were raised apart from each other. Quite a tall order.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 118d
Love how Westermark decided this was the effect he wanted to put his name on
kobebaylor@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 118d
I think it would be even funnier if he had a different name in mind but the public was like "Nope! This shit is all you bud."
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
The Skywalker effect
maya_the_good_apple@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 119d
Worse, twincest creates much more congenital abnormalities. In this case they're both the same sex so it doesn't matter really.
ttayh@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 118d
twincest cannot cause more abnormalities than "regular" (gross) sibling incest. If a set of twins are of diferent sex they are not identical, ie they come from different sperm and different egg. Same as any sibling pair
maya_the_good_apple@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 118d
Almost... What you're saying is only true for fraternal or dizygotic twins. It's possible for a fertilized egg to divide in a way that it separates and both cells grow into twins, these are called monozygotic twins. Now, usually monozygotic twins are usually of the same gender but, there can be mutations. And even in those, the chance of both being fertile is rarer, because of the chance that the mutations usually are X0 leading to Turner's syndrome in the female child.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twin (Read the unusual twinning part of the article.)
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 7 pts · 118d
There's always a bigger geneticist
IronBird@lemmy.world · -12 pts · 118d
how's it incest if there's no chance of procreation?
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 11 pts · 118d
Incest is just "sex between close relatives". Procreation isn't necessary.
(In this and similar cases I wouldn't see an issue with it, btw. If they're having fun, who am I to judge?)
IronBird@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 118d
sounds like an outdated law tbh, incest bad cause it leads to incest babies. no chance of procreation no incest baby
DrivebyHaiku@lemmy.ca · 9 pts · 118d
Well incest bad also because it tends to ruin families regardless of gender. Most of the time it resolves around an older sibling taking advantage of a younger child and has the power dynamics of any other type of pedophillia
Even when it's equitable and between adults people's psychology treats sexual partners differently. Introducing sexual relationship dynamics : potential jealouslies, the desire of siblings to grow apart and the secrecy pressures of keeping their relationship secret can up the risks of siblings hating each other.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 4 pts · 118d
That's no law, that's just the definition. Laws concerning incest differ from country to country but afaik they usually involve penis in vagina penetration (because of, frankly, outdated definitions of "sex") so twin sisters could go at it if they like.
Confused_Emus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 118d
Incest refers to the act, not the product.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 118d
The thing is, if I were a twin-fucking-twin, and some greasey netizen came up asking if I and my twin where interested a (2*1+1)some, my first reaction would not be that this is a person I trust enough to share my intimate desires with even if those desires were aligned.
Walk_blesseD@piefed.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 119d
I know it's a popular media trope, but I'm not sure how common twincest is irl
RamenJunkie@midwest.social · 3 pts · 118d
Game of Thrones made it mainstream.
lasta@piefed.world · 92 pts · 119d
There was a story circulating a few years ago about a pair of twins who strive to be “the most identical twins in the world”, which includes sharing a fiancé and timing their pregnancies for the same date. It is not mentioned whether they bang each other though (not something I care to speculate about lol).
I suppose the first step to making the OP’s fantasy possible would be having massive amounts of money.
nickhammes@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 119d
Though to be fair, a lot of plans are at least easier if you start out with massive amounts of money.
taygaloocat@leminal.space · 15 pts · 119d
Well I'll be damned
xkbx@startrek.website · 5 pts · 118d
The sex doesn’t even sound like fun. After a few months, I’d probably end up looking just like their dad
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 118d
It sounds like you'd have to train for it, like synchronized swimmers or Olympic floor dance routines or ballet performances. Get it right and it's incredible. But you're spending days, weeks, months mostly just crashing into one another and ending up in a pile of flailing limbs, feeling resentful because the other two didn't hit their marks.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 114d
There's a different story where a pair of twin women married a pair of twin guys, all four living together, and are all dedicated to basically living mirrored lives with each other.
Each couple had a child and while the children would be cousins they are genetically siblings. A fun fact amidst what is either mental illness, closeted polyamory, or both.
onionsinmypores@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 118d
I think we should ask them in an email to ascertain the possibility of anon's dream.
NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone · 67 pts · 118d
That’s crazy - I’m a pair of twin sisters who like to have sex with other, but what we’d really like is to find a guy with absolutely no social skills or sexual experience to join us, and not just as a one-off thing but on an ongoing relationship basis.
Agent641@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 118d
Nice, how many of my credit card numbers do you need?
Crashumbc@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 117d
All of them.
man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
Lowered expectaaations...
JokeDeity@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 115d
What about poor social skills and a decent amount of sexual experience? I can pretend to be worse if need be.
SayJess@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 65 pts · 119d
Get a million dollars.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 119d
I believe you get your ass kicked saying something like that
pigup@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
two chicks
FenrirIII@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 115d
I believe you have my stapler
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 119d
Not all chicks dig a dude with money.
Edit: This and the previous comment are a reference to the movie Office Space. The scene is quoted verbatim below and one person did a nice riff on it.
Sunsofold@lemmings.world · 67 pts · 119d
Peter Gibbons: What would you do if you had a million dollars?
Lawrence: I'll tell you what I'd do, man: two chicks at the same time, man.
[Peter laughs and then notices Lawrence's dead serious expression]
Peter Gibbons: That's it? If you had a million dollars, you'd do two chicks at the same time?
Lawrence: Damn straight. I always wanted to do that, man. And I think if I were a millionaire I could hook that up, too; 'cause chicks dig dudes with money.
Peter Gibbons: Well, not all chicks.
Lawrence: Well, the type of chicks that'd double up on a dude like me do.
Peter Gibbons: Good point
veroxii@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 119d
The kind who'd bang their twin sister with Anon does.
AlfalFaFail@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 118d
Only person to get the reference. Nice adaptation.
Retail4068@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
If you're not an asshole and you bring your date out to a nice Michelin level meal, you're probably getting laid. Compared to McDonald's, you'll have a much better shot. Not rocket science.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 118d
Na it's complicated, you impress them too much they think you might be husband material and they wont wanna sleep on the first date because they dont wanna appear slutty. Sometimes women wanna get laid too, and a casual mcdonalds run gives that chill vibe where you can just fuck and not think about where is this going long term. Personally i have like a ten percent rate getting laid after going out and spending a lot of money, dressing up to a nice restaurant, than just casually meeting up maybe i spend money on fast food maybe i dont, that's more like a 50% hookup rate to be honest.
Ummdustry@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 118d
True, but even fewer chicks dig a guy without money.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 118d
Most of the people in the world are poor and most of them get laid FYI
python@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 119d
I dig a dude with the financial responsibility to not date a person who digs a guy with money.
thebestaquaman@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
He doesn't need all chicks though. He just needs that one chick with a twin sister that's down for a threesome. I'm close to 100% certain those twins exist, given that you have enough cash.
I'm not meaning to judge anyone, I'm just pointing out that there are plenty of people that are willing to stretch their personal boundaries for cash. OP just needs to find those people.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 117d
Most chicks (and dudes) would prefer someone with money compared to one of equal attractiveness and broke. It’s part of the whole package.
There’s something like enough money, where having more doesn’t increase your freedom or happiness that much anymore. At some point you’re just getting the custom gold plated luxury version of a thing. A Cartier watch tells the time same as a Citizen.
For physical attraction it’s similar. There’s a level of beautiful enough, after which other factor might matter more. An 8/10 with great sex life is better than a 10/10 prude starfish.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 119d
Come 'ere, I've got words!
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
I don't think it would take a million. Maybe a couple grand.
mika_mika@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 119d
Easy, just look for twins in the Bible belt.
Gullible@sh.itjust.works · 48 pts · 119d
Saved from papas incest basement only to land in papa’s incest basement. Tragic
timewarp@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 119d
Utah & Idaho too. Don't forget about the Mormons.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 119d
Mormons would be the most likely to actually engage in this behaviour since their religion actually promotes it.
EDIT: Sorry mormons.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 2 pts · 118d
Incest? Mormons don't promote incest. Polygamy, absolutely, incest, no. White Mormons do tend to be more closely related than normal, but certainly not close enough to cause any issues. My parents are 9th cousins.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 118d
This feels like one of those "I've never kissed a girl before, but I've watched a lot of porn" fantasies that works great in your head and horrible in practice.
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 16 pts · 118d
Feel free to turn down as many hot twins that want to have a threesome as you want mate
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 117d
Every time I deliver a pizza to the posh kid's neighborhood, there's inevitably a pair of 19 year old twins wearing lingerie, covered in whipped cream, whom I've interrupted in the middle of a pillow right. And I have to tell them "No no no, there's no other way to pay me. I only accept cash or plastic."
Hadriscus@jlai.lu · 31 pts · 118d
Regardless of ethics, I gotta commend the pragmatism against such an uphill battle
Fleur_@aussie.zone · 13 pts · 118d
This guys literal pipe dream is more achievable than my groceries because he at least wrote it down
SatansMaggotyCumFart@piefed.world · 29 pts · 119d
Drugs.
voidsignal@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 119d
a lifetime stockpile, apparently
graycube@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 119d
Siamese twins
BreakerSwitch@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 116d
I think there's a pair of such in Minnesota who share a single body with two heads. I vaguely remembered hearing they got married, but according to wikipedia... Only one of them got married. That must be an awkward sex life.
Wirlocke@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 114d
I wonder how often photos of them get accused of being AI nowadays?
atro_city@fedia.io · 1 pts · 118d
They can fuck themselves, but can they fuck each other?
psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 118d
Step one: Become a billionaire
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 117d
You don’t need that much. Some money is certainly helpful to have though.
If you go to a poor country to find suitable twins and marry them in a country that allows polygamy, you only need modest wealth.
Pman@lemmy.org · 25 pts · 118d
Well to be fair to the guy the first step would be to find a set of twins. It won't help him at all but that would be the first step.
PuddleOfKittens@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 117d
The first step is to learn basic social skills so he doesn't make said twins disregard him the moment he meets them. First impressions are important.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 117d
The first step is to level up your attraction levels. Status, money, fame, power, and let’s not forget physical attraction.
unmagical@lemmy.ml · 22 pts · 119d
Step one would be to meet some twins.
BananaOnionJuice@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 119d
Step two is to explicitly explain them your fantasies in graphic detail.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 16 pts · 119d
Step three: find another set of twins.
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 117d
Get feedback. Review. Adapt. Try again. Repeat until success.
Ep1cFac3pa1m@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 119d
My wife has a twin sister. What do now?
ByteJunk@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 119d
Life's hard enough as it is, don't go looking for challenge levels.
czl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 119d
Is the sister hot? Am not your wife, pinky promise
100_kg_90_de_belin@feddit.it · 9 pts · 119d
Her?
cabillaud@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 118d
Hold my beer
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 118d
Satisfying two women at once? That's awful bigamy.
Bluescluestoothpaste@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 118d
Eh idk make a lot of money or lower your standards and find two drug addict sisters who wont give a fuck, or I guess do both to maximize success rate.
ICastFist@programming.dev · 15 pts · 118d
Step 1: be rich. Like, rich enough that you could buy twins into doing that and still have money left to keep them
DancingBear@midwest.social · 15 pts · 118d
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 118d
Its, ok if its in a threeway
DancingBear@midwest.social · 2 pts · 115d
T00l_shed@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 115d
Fuckin' eachothers moooooms
derry@midwest.social · 13 pts · 118d
Have they checked the polycule poster?
TheGiantKorean@lemmy.today · 13 pts · 118d
They were fraternal twins, but I still feel like he'd approve.
onionsinmypores@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 119d
Has anyone reached this stage yet? Besides the cheating example in the comment below.
cannedtuna@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 119d
There is this example which is wholly disturbing
Samskara@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 117d
All three seem to be happy. Good for them.
man_wtfhappenedtoyou@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 117d
I am surprised at the amount of genuine discussion this meme has provoked here.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 117d
"So, any takers?"
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 118d
He's a saint!
WanderWisley@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 119d
Move to Alabama, do meth.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 119d
Them being twins is not really important, is it? The core of anon's fantasy is that he wants to sleep with two sisters who also get all incesty with each other.
Some twins (most?) are not identical, so they're therefore indistinguishable from normal siblings unless you're some sort of age detective.
tazeycrazy@feddit.uk · 7 pts · 119d
I was having a look round the back. We are all out of twin sisters. The best I can do is a woman with a twin brother.
FerretyFever0@fedia.io · 1 pts · 118d
God dammit, that'd be gay!
Saprophyte@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 117d
I dated twins once. The easiest way to tell them apart was that Ruby always had her nails painted red and Ron had a huge cock.
SethTaylor@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
🎶 You get the best of both worlds 🎶
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 117d
And what was the hardest way to tell them apart
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 118d
Twincest is probably the least icky type of incest. Since there is no age gap, same size and they’d know each other in and out. And in many cases same intelligence and personalities are the same or fully compatible. So the power dynamic is more equal than non twin siblings. At least if one isn’t mentally handicapped. Though still incest.
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 118d
True I suppose. A male twin will be stronger than his sister though
allidoislietomyself@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 119d
"What the fuck is this piece of shit?" - Vic Stetson
Sunsofold@lemmings.world · 3 pts · 119d
There's someone out there for everyone, even if they want two someones.
Lushed_Lungfish@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 118d
Godspeed my brother.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 117d
This has the same energy as those guys who go on niche hobby forums looking for "easy steps" thinking they're going to get rich quick doing something that takes years to refine, but actually they will end up buying the wrong chemical or some shit and end up disfigured for life after inhaling the deadly gases that the "nerds" online repeatedly warned them about