If you're openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you're an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
Am I "they" in your statement? I'm not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying "you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here's where they are going to be at X time" thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I'd imagine you're also culpable. If they say "ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans" thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I'd imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
What you think doesn't matter if it is objectively illegal. I don't think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don't have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I'm talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn't you'd be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you're using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There's an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so -- they've been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are "violent extremists"
What's to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won't keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
Yup.. usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches.. AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn't likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel's brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Yeah I'd agree "venting" about it isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they've been taking.
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security.. actually it's all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy.
Is that something you've been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that's not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don't post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don't broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
Real talk, that's why even though I'm like double VPN'd I'm not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It's either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won't come to that for you.
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
Only thing is that stop signs say stop and it requires you to stop. By that logic, this slop sign requires you to slop. If you meant stop slop, you need to use a different signage.
Yeah, lots of users seem to treat this like oldschool 4chan before they had moderators. Back when you could just casually scroll past everything from CSAM to terrorist beheading videos, because none of it was moderated.
Yeah true we still have csam circling around with over 300k IPs in the US engaged in distribution but don’t get to have the uncensored speech and freedom of thought. What a great deal so glad corporate America raided the Internet forums to make profit and totally stop the spread of csam
I never planned visiting the US until your laws become normal, which won't happen, so what will reporting someone that isn't from the US to the FBI do huh? Jack shit probably.
Remeber the head of the network at my university told me that he once was contacted by someone from a US LEA about how someone with an IP from the student housing had said something threatening about then US president George Bush Jr. and wanted information.
He told them that US law doesn't apply in Norway, and that they had to go through proper channels by the Norwegian police and court system to get that information.
Just use your local flock installation like a camera based reporting system. It works best when you scroll through your phone and hold it up to the camera so they can see.
Depending on circumstance, I don't like to block without saying the criticism behind it. If I'm then going to block, I prefer to announce to make it clear to the blockee that I won't be replying, and to make it clear to everyone else why I haven't replied, if the blockee chooses to reply. Works for me.
103 Comments
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 100 pts · 106d
If you're openly advocating for extreme violence in a public place, you're an idiot. People have been and will continue to be imprisoned for this in the US and other countries.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 106 pts · 106d
by "extreme violence" they mean speaking against ICE btw
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -9 pts · 106d
Am I "they" in your statement? I'm not familiar with what whoever this is. If a person is saying "you should shoot ICE agents with guns when you see them, here's where they are going to be at X time" thats pretty reasonable to not tolerate. As its a direct call to action with details that allow an individual or group to become an imminent threat. You can go to jail for that and if you facilitate it by not moderating it, I'd imagine you're also culpable. If they say "ICE is a contemporary gestapo and is flagrantly committing crimes against humans" thats an unreasonable thing to censor. Again, my knowledge on the statement posted is limited but I'd imagine they are talking about statements like the former, not the latter.
Wakmrow@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 106d
I don't think the first statement shouldn't be tolerated.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 106d
What you think doesn't matter if it is objectively illegal. I don't think the speed limit should be 65 on my favorite highway. I think it should be 90. Yet I will still be pulled over,ticketed and maybe arrested if I go 90 there.
EggInDisguise@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 26 pts · 106d
Lmao imagine Arguing what is legal and what is illegal when discussing dealing with ICE and all the illegal shit they do with impunity every say
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 106d
Yeah, impunity is the sticking point there lmao. You and I don't have that nor should we nor should ICE even though they seem to. Keeping yourself out of jail is step one on making a change. Making it demonstrably easier to put you in jail (by posting threats or non 1A protected speech on a PUBLIC PLATFORM) is idiotic. Like I said in another comment saying shit like I'm talking about is almost always strictly performative. If it wasn't you'd be out there shooting people or facilitating that act. Not saying how it should or could happen on social media. If you're using social media to facilitate an act of violence that is a crime, like I laid out in my other comment. Remember step one.
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 105d
Mandela, Gandhi, MLK, Pankhurst... it's not uncommon for someone to trigger revolution from behind bars.
In principle anyway. Not that any of the online idiots we're talking about are on that kind of path.
Wakmrow@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 106d
There is no such thing as objectively illegal.
Given the first amendment and the supreme courts stance on originalism one could make a compelling argument that this type of speech is legal. As an example. One could further point to any example of the current administration or the police or examine historical injustice codified into law. Or, just look at Israeli actions.
Laws are enforced by power. And are dictated by societal pressure. They are not objective in the slightest. There's an entire profession dedicated to the subjectivity of laws.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 106d
That's one way to look at it.
Wakmrow@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 106d
What does objective mean to you
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 105d
Legality and morality are two different things.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Correct
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 47 pts · 106d
Fascist governments will always find ways to imprison dissenters, this is just one way they do so -- they've been treating those trying to track ICE agents as if they are "violent extremists"
What's to stop this fascist government from defining criticism against them as violent extremism? Because that is what they are trying to do. That is always what fascists do. Just following laws won't keep us safe. Laws do not align with morality.
Typhoon@lemmy.ca · 26 pts · 106d
They're already trying to classify anyone who is against fascism as a terrorist.
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 106d
Exactly
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 106d
I hear ya and I don't disagree.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 25 pts · 106d
their "domestic terrorism" is mapping ICE and Flock Cameras
SarahValentine@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 16 pts · 106d
You gonna let this loser talk about you like that, Kash?
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
flandish@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
ain’t that the tooth
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 9 pts · 106d
yes like they can gather all the instance admins around the globe, and then finally get the IP of my exit proxy
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
You recognize interpol has arrested dozens of people around the world for internent related crimes right?
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 106d
Yup.. usually involving massive IP theft, CSAM, financial fraud or data breaches.. AND often driven by industrial/financial/legal entities.
First Amendment speech issues around people venting about a government that right now, seems to have pissed EVERONE off, isn't likely going to get much traction outside of Kash Patel's brownnosing FBI circle-jerk.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -7 pts · 106d
Yeah I'd agree "venting" about it isn't going to get anyone anywhere. I do draw a distinction between venting and calling for violence while including information that would make enacting that violence quick and easy. To stay clear, I am vehemently opposed to ICE and the actions they've been taking.
foodandart@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 106d
I hear Kash got called out recently by a senator for being a drunk on the job.
You know, the more I read up on these clowns, I am beginning to wonder if the whole declarations of this group, that group and the others as being terrorists and a threat to national security.. actually it's all theater made up to hide just how incompetent the current crop of Trump asskissers all really are.
Weird timeline we're in right now, for sure.
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 105d
Is that something you've been seeing a lot of? Or are you inventing something that's not happening in order to make what is happening sound worse than it is?
musicjunkie@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 104d
Idk how often you go on Reddit but it’s extremely common there mostly in the locality subs. Like daily posts in just the few cities/states I’ve lived in so presumably happening across most of these subs so that’s not inventing something to make it sound worse it’s literally just happening in plain sight
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
I laid out two options in my other comment, one included that. Based on the implications being made about sharing the flock camera locations. Given that the information given in the post includes the words violent extremist and violence against elected officals. Makes me assume violence is involved. But overall my only real point is don't post that you want to or want people to commit violence on a public platform. Have that opinion, sure, talk about it with your friends/associates, sure, don't broadcast it to the world. Doing so is just performative bullshit that could get you tossed in jail. I hate ICE and what they have been doing with immigrants.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 106d
"internet related crimes" is like saying "ocean related crimes"
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
I mean yeah dude sure, you're invincible because you have a VPN.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 106d
a lot more than that 😎
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
Sick
HeHoXa@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 106d
https://www.security.org/vpn/best/no-log/
https://temp-mail.org/
https://arxiv.org/abs/2402.00835
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJh_nkgwTjw&t=84
https://www.raspberrypi.com/products/raspberry-pi-3-model-b/
https://www.instructables.com/Setting-Up-a-Raspberry-Pi-Wi-Fi-Extender/
https://www.kali.org/
https://dev.to/shankarsurya035/deauthentication-attack-using-kali-linux-h5e
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · -2 pts · 106d
indeed but this isnt facebook where you email crappyitdept@slopware.co and instantly get all their details
tldr: it depends
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 106d
Real talk, that's why even though I'm like double VPN'd I'm not going to say https://youtu.be/KivCRqfFcqY openly. Or that capitalism is inherently evil.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 5 pts · 106d
capitalism is evil
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 105d
You just did?
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 94d
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 106d
The problem with this stance is the line in the sand is always moving. It's either violence now or violence later. Or maybe you just hope that it won't come to that for you.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 106d
Sure, posting it on social media (which this is) is idiotic for so many different reasons as well as strictly performative 99.99999999999% of the time.
Bakkoda@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 106d
So the latter. Got it.
Return_of_Chippy@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 106d
Lmao trolling or you don't even remotely understand the concept.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 105d
If you’re privately advocating for it when you haven’t done the harder activism first there’s also room for introspection
(Try and probably find there’s too much policy/community work to have time to think about violence)
theloneyank@slrpnk.net · 2 pts · 106d
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 81 pts · 106d
Meanwhile at the fbi…
RVGamer06@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 105d
pigup@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 105d
Only thing is that stop signs say stop and it requires you to stop. By that logic, this slop sign requires you to slop. If you meant stop slop, you need to use a different signage.
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 44 pts · 105d
me waiting for my FBI agent to stop drinking and come knocking
Skankhunt420@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 105d
What's this gif from?
ChaoticNeutralCzech@feddit.org · 5 pts · 104d
Reverse image search says The Triplets of Belleville
Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 104d
It's from the film The Triplets of Belleville
It's an odd but great film, I highly recommend it!
BigDiction@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 106d
I would never bother to report anything on Lemmy to a government agency but some of y’all need to chill the fuck out on public forums sometimes.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 106d
Yeah, lots of users seem to treat this like oldschool 4chan before they had moderators. Back when you could just casually scroll past everything from CSAM to terrorist beheading videos, because none of it was moderated.
Klear@piefed.world · 4 pts · 105d
I miss the old internet, but I don't miss that.
musicjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 104d
It’s truly a shame we can’t have old internet without all the shit that came with it
Klear@piefed.world · 3 pts · 104d
We can have the shit without the good stuff tho!
musicjunkie@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 104d
Yeah true we still have csam circling around with over 300k IPs in the US engaged in distribution but don’t get to have the uncensored speech and freedom of thought. What a great deal so glad corporate America raided the Internet forums to make profit and totally stop the spread of csam
dasrael@lemmy.zip · 39 pts · 105d
Unhinged American fascists can get fucked.
fushuan@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 29 pts · 106d
I never planned visiting the US until your laws become normal, which won't happen, so what will reporting someone that isn't from the US to the FBI do huh? Jack shit probably.
Frostbeard@lemmy.world · 24 pts · 105d
Remeber the head of the network at my university told me that he once was contacted by someone from a US LEA about how someone with an IP from the student housing had said something threatening about then US president George Bush Jr. and wanted information.
He told them that US law doesn't apply in Norway, and that they had to go through proper channels by the Norwegian police and court system to get that information.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 105d
Depends on their skin color.
Treczoks@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 106d
Time to ban his account, then.
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 106d
A really effective measure to make him make a new account
Klear@piefed.world · 2 pts · 105d
Then ban his second account.
lemmy_outta_here@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 105d
I wouldn’t be friends with someone who is not on the FBI’s list of the enemies of MAGA.
Canonical_Warlock@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 104d
shininghero@pawb.social · 25 pts · 106d
Oh no, they're gonna prosecute me for... Um...
checks comment history
Academically citing their own definition of terrorism as a label for their activities! The horror!
bluesheep@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 105d
Wasn't planning to go to the USA anytime soon so I couldn't give less of a fuck
L7HM77@sh.itjust.works · 20 pts · 106d
They think we can vote our way outta this shit, LoL
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 105d
"Being reported to the FBI" used to mean something.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 16 pts · 106d
😱 they're going to put me on the same lists twice! 😱
NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 106d
Unlike Santa they arent checking it twice, that way they could say 600 million Americans are on the list!
jjlinux@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 104d
That sounds like American math? In what part of Utah did you learn that? 🤣
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 105d
Naughty & Nice?
CIA_chatbot@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 106d
Meanwhile, I’m actively hiring these same people for exciting careers in other countries! Join today!
charlieBox@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 105d
Probably works for Reddit
JennaR8r@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 105d
By those criteria, Trump qualifies to be reported to that FBI hotline. There's a non-zero chance that some wise people have indeed reported him.
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 11 pts · 106d
conservative@lemmy.today is a real community 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
Probably created by mistake.
regedit@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 105d
Said everyone who ever met the tool who created it!
TachyonTele@piefed.social · 4 pts · 106d
Is that the fake one or a real conservative com?
theloneyank@slrpnk.net · -1 pts · 106d
DarkFuture@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 105d
Lol. Who dis loser?
IAMgROOT@lemmy.wtf · 9 pts · 105d
donaldjmusk
theloneyank@slrpnk.net · 9 pts · 106d
Tattorack@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 104d
Fascist lives don't matter.
AskMeForADickPic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 106d
So they are reporting people who quote Charlie Kirk/talk bad about the president or ice. Real patriot stuff /s
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 106d
Who was it so I can block the account and keep posting extremist stuff
hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 7 pts · 106d
Some MAGA who got bullied out from Lemmy lol
Banana@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 106d
That tracks lol
Jax@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 105d
Cashapp ain't gonna do shit
bitteroldcoot@piefed.social · 5 pts · 106d
And I'm sure that when the FBI director sobers up from his latest bout of binge drinking, and trump ass kissing, he will get right on it.
tidderuuf@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 106d
Getting charged for false reporting is fun, more people should try it out.
WorldsDumbestMan@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 105d
Me too! They think the memes are pretty lit, and are cheering for you!
mirshafie@europe.pub · 1 pts · 105d
FBI is all like "thanks for the dank memes bro keep em coming"
FinjaminPoach@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 106d
Could you please not use lemmy shitpost for dragging random people into your internet arguments? This is for memes and funny things.
Rampsquatch@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 106d
No actually, it's for shitposts. Shitposts can be memes and funny things, but they are not limited to that.
AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space · 2 pts · 106d
my dog is a chonky boi
waterSticksToMyBalls@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 106d
Just use your local flock installation like a camera based reporting system. It works best when you scroll through your phone and hold it up to the camera so they can see.
RoddyStiggs@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 106d
Report this, dickhead.
9point6@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 106d
Do we reckon this is the regular wonk or a new one
whotookkarl@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 106d
FishFace@piefed.social · -8 pts · 106d
This isn't a shitpost and you sound like you need to calm down and touch grass. To aid my own touching of grass, you're going on my blocklist.
Klear@quokk.au · 21 pts · 106d
Protip - never announce your blocklist additions.
It looks pathetic. Block whoever you want, but keep it to yourself. Nobody cares.
FishFace@piefed.social · -9 pts · 106d
Depending on circumstance, I don't like to block without saying the criticism behind it. If I'm then going to block, I prefer to announce to make it clear to the blockee that I won't be replying, and to make it clear to everyone else why I haven't replied, if the blockee chooses to reply. Works for me.