I think this would probably be covered by unsporting behaviour or dangerous play.
There might be some stuff that would consider the ball out of play in this scenario too as no specific player has possession, but that might be a stretch
As far as I know it's dangerous play, because you'd be making it impossible for anyone to challenge the ball without things getting dangerous. You're supposed to defend the ball by using your athleticism to fend off your opponents, not by using medieval battlefield tactics to force a siege.
Yeah, this is coming, whether you like it or not. Anyone opposed is just regressive and afraid of trying new things and learning new tools. Probably shitty player anyway and scared they won't be able win matches anymore with their mediocre skills in this new world of siege-powered footie.
Exactly the opposite. Offsite means it is illegal to pass the ball to a player behind the last defender and instead you must walk the ball around said last defender. This tactic is all walking and zero passing so offsite never applies.
Instead its illegal because you are holding the ball. Every move where the ball is stuck for more than like a second is a foul.
Not illegal in theory but easily countered by the enemy team just encircling them or forming a wall. Pushing the enemy team out of the way of the ball bouncer would be a foul.
Also the referee could just call it unsportsmanlike or obstruction of play and give a free kick to the enemy. The referee is basically always allowed to call any bullshit.
I think it's not a foul if you're using your whole body. So you just need really big guys to slowly push the wall. And if you can't bribe a referee what are you even doing playing football?
Once you (puck/ball first) cross the line (midfield in soccer, blue line in hockey) you're free to pass it to your teammate, plenty easy to take advantage of them being off guard without being offsides
Yeah, I have similar feelings about hockey. Your team’s offense can’t be in front of the puck until it is on the opposing team’s side of the rink. Which functionally means you can’t pass the puck forwards to the offense, because they can’t be on offense until after the puck has crossed the center line.
The defense was caught with their pants down, because the opposing team managed to get a player behind them, and then managed to pass the puck to them? That should be egg on the defense’s face, not a penalty for the offense.
This is not the case, it’s the blue line you cannot cross until the puck has. If you attempt a pass from behind the redline, and no one on your team touches it, then, yes, it’s icing. So that you can’t just throw the puck out on defense.
Offside is essential to keep the game interesting. Otherwise you just have a big dude who hangs out next to the goal all game and you just launch the ball up to that dude whenever you get possession. There's no strategy, no passing, no running with the ball, no dribbling, just launch it to the big guy.
It would lead to a whistle and restart the same way you can't just sit on a ball to waste time. Not sure what the rule is called but yeah it's covered in the rules
I think you would be pretty shocked to see sumo champions next to NFL linemen. They weigh about the same, but the NFL players are 3-4 inches taller on average.
Reminds me of the old “change one rule about a sport to make it more entertaining” thing that was popular on AskReddit for a while.
My personal rule change is that the cooler for the ice rink gets turned off ~20 minutes before a hockey game starts, and it turns into a heater instead. Anyone who has ever tried to skate on wet/melting ice knows that you just stick to it like it’s made of clay. All other rules stay the same. As the game progresses, the ice will melt more and more, until the players are basically playing water polo, with like six inches of water on the concrete subfloor.
I would like to add a rule, if the game goes long then all the hockey sticks are exchanged with samurai swords at the discretion of the referee and when the samurai swords are in play then the first team to reach the zamboni can commandeer it as a combat vehicle
Thus is basically the same as the, now banned, flying wedge in rugby. The manouver aparently lead to twenty two fatalities, as well as inumerable injuries, in a single year.
All players in circle immediately flop and become massively injured, near dead. Cards flicker and flash, going from yellow to red so rapidly, fans see flames and ignite their own (in the stands, just defensively, in case).
Well if they keep the ball like that, they'd score together! That way the score would always be even! So we could also choose to leave the ball on the spot and just grab a nice pint in the pub.
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9point6@lemmy.world · 67 pts · 76d
I think this would probably be covered by unsporting behaviour or dangerous play.
There might be some stuff that would consider the ball out of play in this scenario too as no specific player has possession, but that might be a stretch
herrvogel@lemmy.world · 87 pts · 76d
As far as I know it's dangerous play, because you'd be making it impossible for anyone to challenge the ball without things getting dangerous. You're supposed to defend the ball by using your athleticism to fend off your opponents, not by using medieval battlefield tactics to force a siege.
hanke@feddit.nu · 98 pts · 76d
Games evolve over time. Get with it or get behind.
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 28 pts · 76d
Yeah, this is coming, whether you like it or not. Anyone opposed is just regressive and afraid of trying new things and learning new tools. Probably shitty player anyway and scared they won't be able win matches anymore with their mediocre skills in this new world of siege-powered footie.
snooggums@piefed.world · 11 pts · 76d
Siege powered chestie
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 6 pts · 76d
You need to think bigger if you want to keep up. Put Siege™®© into EVERYTHING!
Brummbaer@pawb.social · 7 pts · 76d
Better idea yet, just carry the ball in your hand, much easier and can be done by one person..
hanke@feddit.nu · 8 pts · 76d
Streamlining the game, I like it!
Could mean great savings for team owners. Now they only have to pay one player.
Brummbaer@pawb.social · 7 pts · 76d
We should also give both players cars, more efficient than running.
I'll call that Auto Polo
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auto_polo
Marcopolo1613@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 76d
Or bumper cars for a good time with friends - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whirlyball
Guttural@jlai.lu · 2 pts · 70d
I think some players have already tried this. They named their specific technique "rugby".
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 76d
Detroit add lions to their defense. Denver rushes while mounted. Chicago doubles down on drafting large, hirsute men for their team.
tpyo@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
I had to look up that word:
Cool!
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 76d
Dallas: YEEHAW!!
backalleycoyote@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 76d
Bring back the Oilers!
LH0ezVT@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 76d
But they don't allow siege cannons and mortars in stadiums :(
Those damn woke are taking our guns away, it is not even modern football without artillery.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Yet*
luciferofastora@feddit.org · 2 pts · 75d
They're overrated anyway. The true art of siegecraft will always be in the earthworks.
itsjustachairmary@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 75d
Why are you trying to cross the field with the Ball when you can just use a trebuchet, arguably the best siege weapon?
MeThisGuy@feddit.nl · 2 pts · 76d
you have exactly 10 seconds to leave the field at the nearest point of exit (the sidelines)
joyjoy@piefed.social · 2 pts · 76d
Someone's gonna do this and make the game evolve by making them add a new rule.
LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 76d
Surround the players with your own and starve them out.
CanadianCarl@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 76d
The future is now, old man.
bhamlin@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 76d
Pretty sure this will trigger offsides, unless they also trap an opposing team player and take them with them...
Lumidaub@feddit.org · 44 pts · 76d
A hostage.
groet@feddit.org · 23 pts · 76d
Exactly the opposite. Offsite means it is illegal to pass the ball to a player behind the last defender and instead you must walk the ball around said last defender. This tactic is all walking and zero passing so offsite never applies.
Instead its illegal because you are holding the ball. Every move where the ball is stuck for more than like a second is a foul.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 12 pts · 76d
What if one guy just bounced the ball on his head constantly while the other 10 players surround him tightly?
groet@feddit.org · 18 pts · 76d
Not illegal in theory but easily countered by the enemy team just encircling them or forming a wall. Pushing the enemy team out of the way of the ball bouncer would be a foul.
Also the referee could just call it unsportsmanlike or obstruction of play and give a free kick to the enemy. The referee is basically always allowed to call any bullshit.
ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net · 4 pts · 76d
I think it's not a foul if you're using your whole body. So you just need really big guys to slowly push the wall. And if you can't bribe a referee what are you even doing playing football?
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 76d
Offsides is the most bullshit rule ever invented. "You're behind all our defenders!!!" Yeah no shit that's because I'm trying to SCORE
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 76d
"How dare you catch us off-guard!!!"
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
Once you (puck/ball first) cross the line (midfield in soccer, blue line in hockey) you're free to pass it to your teammate, plenty easy to take advantage of them being off guard without being offsides
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 76d
Yeah, I have similar feelings about hockey. Your team’s offense can’t be in front of the puck until it is on the opposing team’s side of the rink. Which functionally means you can’t pass the puck forwards to the offense, because they can’t be on offense until after the puck has crossed the center line.
The defense was caught with their pants down, because the opposing team managed to get a player behind them, and then managed to pass the puck to them? That should be egg on the defense’s face, not a penalty for the offense.
Donjuanme@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 76d
They came up with it because cherry picking is outrageously boring.
Hathaway@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 75d
This is not the case, it’s the blue line you cannot cross until the puck has. If you attempt a pass from behind the redline, and no one on your team touches it, then, yes, it’s icing. So that you can’t just throw the puck out on defense.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 74d
Offside is essential to keep the game interesting. Otherwise you just have a big dude who hangs out next to the goal all game and you just launch the ball up to that dude whenever you get possession. There's no strategy, no passing, no running with the ball, no dribbling, just launch it to the big guy.
Feathercrown@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 74d
Just put a defender in front of that guy
eyesaremosaics@lemmy.zip · 36 pts · 76d
It would lead to a whistle and restart the same way you can't just sit on a ball to waste time. Not sure what the rule is called but yeah it's covered in the rules
jpablo68@infosec.pub · 23 pts · 76d
Yeah, there's a rule against that, you can't force the ball to stay with you (like holding it between your legs or in between two people)
tetris11@feddit.uk · 19 pts · 76d
what if they stayed close but never touched, the ball vibrating between them
jpablo68@infosec.pub · 21 pts · 76d
If they could pull that off I would not only be impressed but it wouldn't technically break the rules.
gray@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 76d
hah everything with a temperature is vibrating all the time!
Sorry, bye
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 1 pts · 76d
Is absolute zero not also a temperature? 🤔
Sludgeyy@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Depends how you define temperature.
"There's no such thing as cold"
Something at absolute zero would have zero heat.
If you define temperature as heat then it wouldn't have heat or temperature.
Kind of similar to trying to measure nothing with a ruler. It says 0. There is no length, but is 0mm still a "measurement"?
gray@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 74d
I would say it is a lack of temperature
tetris11@feddit.uk · 5 pts · 76d
the moment robot football becomes a thing, I bet this is the first loophole they come up with
owenfromcanada@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 76d
I had a similar idea for american football.
snooggums@piefed.world · 26 pts · 76d
That is what the offensive line is now and they can't grab anyone to throw them aside because that would be holding.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 11 pts · 76d
I mean, surely the team with the gun wins.
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 76d
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 76d
You're thinking of Pro Thunderball
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EpwbvFvn9W0
tetris11@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 76d
what show?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 75d
Upright Citizens Brigade
The original Comedy Central sketch show that spawned the improv group.
tetris11@feddit.uk · 1 pts · 75d
thanks!
mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 76d
This is literally the point of an offensive line already, you think those boys can't sumo wrestle?
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 76d
Not to mention many of them are easily as big as the sumo wrestlers.
Serinus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 76d
Because they're also fast.
Omgpwnies@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 76d
Something about someone the size of a fridge being able to outrun most amateur athletes can be a little unsettling for sure.
mrmacduggan@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 76d
Sumo guys attack and maneuver really fast too. It's just when they hit the open field, the football dudes are going to have a much faster 40m time.
socsa@piefed.social · 2 pts · 76d
I think you would be pretty shocked to see sumo champions next to NFL linemen. They weigh about the same, but the NFL players are 3-4 inches taller on average.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 74d
After the first play they're completely exhausted and unable to continue.
Sumo wrestlers are good at sumo wrestling. Those are matches that last between 2 and 30 seconds, after which the wrestler gets about an hour to rest.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 76d
Reminds me of the old “change one rule about a sport to make it more entertaining” thing that was popular on AskReddit for a while.
My personal rule change is that the cooler for the ice rink gets turned off ~20 minutes before a hockey game starts, and it turns into a heater instead. Anyone who has ever tried to skate on wet/melting ice knows that you just stick to it like it’s made of clay. All other rules stay the same. As the game progresses, the ice will melt more and more, until the players are basically playing water polo, with like six inches of water on the concrete subfloor.
musubibreakfast@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 76d
I would like to add a rule, if the game goes long then all the hockey sticks are exchanged with samurai swords at the discretion of the referee and when the samurai swords are in play then the first team to reach the zamboni can commandeer it as a combat vehicle
DrSoap@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 75d
This would be an amazing video game with no context going in.
iocase@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 74d
It honestly would and it could use 8 bit graphics and still be amazing
varnia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 76d
You just reinvented Rugby. Wait till you develop that into American Football.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 76d
I've invented the beer commercial just in time!
notabot@piefed.social · 13 pts · 76d
Thus is basically the same as the, now banned, flying wedge in rugby. The manouver aparently lead to twenty two fatalities, as well as inumerable injuries, in a single year.
Bacano@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 76d
Enders Game (of soccer)
Odo@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 76d
"The enemy goal is down."
Calfpupa@lemmy.ml · 9 pts · 76d
Shaolin Soccer
csolisr@hub.azkware.net · 8 pts · 75d
What kind of Captain Tsubasa shenanigans are these?
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 75d
Well the goally could just grab the ball
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 75d
All players in circle immediately flop and become massively injured, near dead. Cards flicker and flash, going from yellow to red so rapidly, fans see flames and ignite their own (in the stands, just defensively, in case).
Checkmate, goally
solidheron@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 75d
Lol. I realized that the red shirts are members of the same team.
Soccer goals are big but I'd assume opposing team could form a barrier
PolarKraken@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 74d
More carnage!
the flopping is relentless...teams of medics rush the field, to no avail...not an injury to be found
(I'm just goofing around to be clear lol)
Soulphite@reddthat.com · 6 pts · 76d
Bold move, let's see how it plays out for 'em, Cotton.
protist@retrofed.com · 6 pts · 76d
New gay porn concept
borQue@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 76d
Well if they keep the ball like that, they'd score together! That way the score would always be even! So we could also choose to leave the ball on the spot and just grab a nice pint in the pub.
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 76d
Yeah, in fact, what is this all for? waves around generally It's all pointless, let's just go to the pub