Microsoft Wants to 'Make People Addicted' to its New AI Assistant, Internal Documents Reveal
https://www.404media.co/microsoft-wants-to-make-people-addicted-to-scout-its-new-ai-assistant-internal-documents-reveal/
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finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 167 pts · 66d
Ah yes, Cortana and Copilot both suck, but surely third time's the charm. And when Scout is, inevitably, unpopular as well? We'll see what they call number four.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 69 pts · 66d
You forgot clippy, but everyone forgets about clippy unless it's in this exact context. Or it's Norfolk wizard game.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 17 pts · 65d
I can't believe I forgot Clippy...
harmbugler@piefed.social · 11 pts · 65d
Miss you, Tay
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 65d
astoundingly racist, insulting reply
cybervegan@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 65d
What about Microsoft Bob? Doesn't that count as their first attempt?
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 65d
Clippy was basically an upgraded Bob kinda like how the old Jeep Cherokees are just upgraded Jeep Wagoneers.
cybervegan@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
Yeah "but not as annoying" lol. No idea what you mean about jeeps: I'm in the UK, and not a car enthusiast either.
vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 65d
The Cherokee and Wagoneer aren't distinguishable at first glance, the Cherokee was just an upgraded Wagoneer. That was my point Clippy was just an upgraded Bob with new coat of paint.
Earthman_Jim@lemmy.zip · 13 pts · 66d
Is there any fundamental difference between Copilot and Scout, or is it just a straight up rebranding?
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 11 pts · 65d
My impression is that scout is specifically going to be an agentic ai. Agentic ai platforms are supposedly a little more competent than chatbots, but still subject to the same llm chicanery and enormous energy usage.
It's hard to compare against copilot because MS has called a ton of distinct things copilot (see the diagram below).
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 65d
I really hate that out of all careers, it's developers.
gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 66d
You forgot they called it Bing in the middle too
pycorax@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 66d
Cortana was actually really good on Windows Phone but they dumbed it down and added all sort of crap to it by the time it was integrated onto the desktop. They could've doubled down on whatads it good but nope.
jt_rebelo@ciberlandia.pt · 1 pts · 66d
@pycorax I second this, Windows Phone 8.1/10 was a godsend in a world of Android/iPhone duopoly (even if made by Microslop) and Cortana was smart enough to almost do everything you could ask of it (unlike the "couldn't understand what you said" or "calling Superfun New Toy From China" instead of "Super from Building A" that "AI" assistants of its time said).
@finalarbiter
BagOfHeavyStones@piefed.social · 4 pts · 66d
"A little sign in here, a touch of wifi there..."
That's all I know of Cortana.
🔇
WizardofFrobozz@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 66d
That’s Mambo No. 6
Bytemeister@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 66d
Not sure why that had to come on automatically at maximum volume every time, but the number of times I've finished backing up and re-imaging a computer at 3 AM, on to have her start hollering at the exact moment my head hits the pillow, is too damn many
Ilixtze@lemmy.ml · 93 pts · 66d
microslop can fuck off.
StealthLizardDrop@piefed.social · 17 pts · 66d
I think you mean to say: "microslop can slop off"
popekingjoe@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 66d
Microfuck can slop off.
Neon_Carnivore@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 66d
Fuckroslop can slop off.
AntY@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
Sloprofuck can fuck slop
harmbugler@piefed.social · 8 pts · 65d
This is what happens when bots train on each other's comments
Neon_Carnivore@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 65d
Lmao
adarza@lemmy.ca · 60 pts · 66d
do you really wanna be admitting that addiction is your goal?
A $6 Million Jury Verdict Ruled Social Media Is Addictive.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/anishasircar/2026/03/30/a-6-million-jury-verdict-ruled-social-media-is-addictive-now-what/
uninvitedguest@piefed.ca · 65 pts · 66d
That kind of fine is a pittance.
adarza@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 66d
true. but this one wasn't a class action, either.. just one plaintiff.
kablez@lemmy.world · 57 pts · 66d
My non Linux savvy spouse is currently dual booting Linux Mint because Windows has become so frustrating to use.
Mint isn't perfect. We've run into a few bugs and shortcomings. But there's a big difference between dealing with genuine issues in an OS and using one that feels actively hostile and designed to exploit the user.
If both experiences can be frustrating, why choose the one that's frustrating by design (unless you absolutely have to) ?
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 16 pts · 65d
I've used Linux for a decade now and windows is so much more buggy and shortcoming. Including new bugs.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
Most of my music software doesn't function correctly on Linux :(
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 65d
What software
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 65d
FL studio along with a whole pile of third party VSTs, plus lots of weird audio routings and everything in 96kHz.
Bitwig is neat, but I'd have to buy like $1500 in third party VSTs to do what I do in FL.
ChickenLadyLovesLife@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
I really wish they'd had the balls and/or the legal power to keep calling it FruityLoops.
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
I mean it's massively outgrown the original looper app it used to be. It's top tier for DAW choices now.
terraquad@feddit.org · 1 pts · 65d
Personally I've used FL with Bottles on Fedora with terra-wine-staging package and everything except webviews (FL cloud which I don't use anyway) works perfecly (and cpu usage is higher than on windows)
LodeMike@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 65d
You should consider a VM
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
How much worse is the latency going to get
LodeMike@lemmy.today · -1 pts · 65d
IDK
RouxBru@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
You probably know this already, but Reaper is fully Linux compatible, it's not FL, so you'll have to adapt, but it is great
Poem_for_your_sprog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 64d
I'll have to adapt and buy $1,000 in third party VSTs to not have as good of a mixing/mastering solution as what's built into FL :(
RouxBru@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 61d
I seriously doubt that, maybe run your setup past the forum and ask?
stretch2m@infosec.pub · 53 pts · 66d
I will never EVER give an AI agency over any of my personal accounts.
KillerWhale@orcas.enjoying.yachts · 10 pts · 66d
You are not the target audience.
yakko@feddit.uk · 41 pts · 66d
Oh we're the target, just not the customer.
gnufuu@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 65d
Someone else has probably already done that for you.
magnue@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 66d
Instead they made me addicted to Linux.
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 66d
Yeah every time I get on my laptop it's a little more unrecognisable and unusable to me. Will be getting in Linux as soon as I get a chance.
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub · 10 pts · 66d
What’s stopping you so far?
yermaw@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 66d
Time more than anything, im only on it about 2 hours once a month
TDCN@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 65d
A good place to start, if what you do for those two hours a month is just a browser and such, is a live USB with Linux mint (or something like that) and then there is no commitment until you are ready.
Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 65d
SSDs costing $300 for me. For some reason my current drives refuse to partition. I got an old laptop on it, but it barely works regardless of what OS is on it.
HaraldvonBlauzahn@feddit.org · 1 pts · 65d
Older refurbished Thinkpads are a good and cheap way to go. They save a ton of compatibility headaches which only eat time. Linux is very economical on hardware resources. Or, just use an old pc. I work as a programmer and my main PC is 15 years old now.
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 64d
$300? I found a bunch on Amazon just now for under $30.
Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 64d
Surely not for 1 TB though. I want to stay on Linux for the most part and save my stuff there.
moobythegoldensock@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 63d
Why not cheap SSD for OS and then 1-2 TB HDD for storage?
Meatwagon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 63d
I only have 3 hard drive slots and they are for gaming.
magnue@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
I've strongly enjoyed cachyOS. Cue downvotes for this, but I installed ClaudeCode (any other cli would work fine too like opencode etc) and gave it a persistent memory as an OS helper of sorts when I get stuck.
Probably moronic to quit windows over AI integration and then set up Linux with the exact same vision just in a completely custom way.
snugglesthefalse@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 65d
I've just started messing around with cachy after using mint for a month and a bit, honestly kinda liking it with KDE over mint now.
edgemaster72@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 66d
look inside
enshittification
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 4 pts · 66d
looks inside" its all AI, nothing but AI"
Taleya@aussie.zone · 28 pts · 66d
Gotta produce dopamine for that to happen. Not cortisol.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 66d
Yeah but one day they will hack it, like every form of advertising and addiction that was pushed on us since tobacco. This is just a new frontier that is unknown right now, like explaining the ridiculous idea of future social media addiction to a user in 2005.
Taleya@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 65d
This is microsoft. They broke their own fucking os.
They're not gonna hack your brain with copilot.
minkymunkey_7_7@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
Clippy still whispers to us.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 24 pts · 65d
If they want people addicted to an AI, it's going to have to be a lot better than fucking Copilot.
As slop generators go, it's about the sloppiest.
Patrikvo@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 65d
Maybe their target audience are masochists?
OleFoFa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
Well, as a Windows user I can see the appeal
BigMacHole@thelemmy.club · 23 pts · 65d
We're going to MAKE people ADDICTED by
making a REALLY Good Product!SOLVING annoying Problems!TREATING Customers respectfully!FORCING ourselves Onto people like Donald Trump on Little Girls!flamingo_pinyata@sopuli.xyz · 19 pts · 66d
Did they try making it good?
Rothe@piefed.social · 13 pts · 66d
That's the beauty of it (from their viewpoint), they don't have to make it good, just unavoidable.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 66d
yes, good at self-destructing.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 65d
Yeah, we know
echodot@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 65d
Have they tried making it better, I feel like I'm more likely to become addicted to it if it was good.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 66d
Hahahaha suck it, Microslop. I look forward to your Chapter 11 filing.
it_depends_man@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 66d
Duh. I wouldn't have called it "addiction", but dependency was clearly the goal, otherwise they wouldn't take away classical search.
I thought that was obvious from the start.
Rooster326@programming.dev · 15 pts · 66d
This strategy worked so well for Bing
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 65d
Duckduck go is thriving using Bing without the AI bullshit.
Exatron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 65d
And Clippy
Aneorthisio@lemmy.ml · 13 pts · 66d
Create a captive audience through monopoly or near monopoly on a given market, then charge them more for a worse version of the product, reducing costs and maximizing profits, it's always been the goal with corporate capitalism, look at the whole Copilot and GitHub situation right now.
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 65d
No shit, Sherlock.
And people would actually happily get addicted to an AI assistant which is reliable, safe, capable, kind, and fast.
They really should try making a great product. Then they don't need any tricks. People love great products.
AlteredEgo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 65d
And local and under your control. As a "second brain" that isn't sentient but intelligent to assist you AI has great potential. In a few years we'll probably have the models and new hardware to run good enough models locally on cheap enough hardware.
But by then they'll have drummed enough support for "muh copyright" to buy legislation for AI licensing and make all AI models have to pay a license fee to... "someone". Like that poor writer who had his work illegally read by an AI. So then no open source models can exist and they have the monopoly. Big win for the little guy lol.
Kaligalis@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 63d
The answer to "copyright" overreach is just piracy. I can play pirated games, watch pirated movies, listen to pirated music... Of course, I will be able to just use a pirated model locally. Or I can just use a Chinese or Russian one - they can speak English just fine.
melsaskca@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 65d
I can't fault them for this business plan. It has worked for the opioid business professionals time and time again, for centuries!
innermachine@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 65d
Hold on let me put on my surprised look
LovableSidekick@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 65d
BREAKING - Companies want customers to get addicted to their products!!!1
truthfultemporarily@feddit.org · 10 pts · 66d
Legitimately most modern games or all of social media.
Solrac@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 64d
Oh they're making me addicted alright. I can't stop installing Linux on things. Its like a new vice for my devices
anon_8675309@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 66d
That shit should set off alarm bells of all regulators… but we elect people who don’t give a fuck so…
dracs@programming.dev · 8 pts · 66d
FE80@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 66d
nectar45@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 65d
At this rate I will have to do like Terry Davis and make my OWN minimalistic OS to escape this AI plague.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 65d
Explains why they want you to think it's also a person.
Qzr@programming.dev · 8 pts · 66d
At least they're honest (internally) about their intentions. Obviously this is also the goal of the other big AI foundries; it either already is or it will be in the future.
Luckily Microsoft is famously bad at this, but Google and perhaps OpenAI will be more successful. We're still in the subsidized honeymoon phase, but this window is closing with the increasing pressure to return profit.
As a skeptic, I'm not worried about myself, but I'm scared for the people who will get addicted and then ruined by full prices or devastated when their mind drug is taken away again.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 66d
seems like google and OPENAI have the same problems, just as a slower decline. google trying to force gemini into all thier services. anthropoic isnt doing any better either.
Qzr@programming.dev · 1 pts · 65d
Agreed, but I give Google a better chance with Google, Android & Gemini to actualy make an "addicting" chatbot.
unexposedhazard@discuss.tchncs.de · 7 pts · 66d
Uhh yeah thats the long term profit concept of LLMs, force them onto people for free until they cant live without them, then jack up the price. Its been pretty obvious...
Lemminary@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 66d
Knowing Microslop, I'm not too worried. They'll either scrap the idea before implementing it or make it so shitty people won't use it. Let them try for the shits n giggles.
mycodesucks@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 66d
Only Scout believed in himself.
ooterness@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
I understood that reference. ♥️
Siegfried@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 64d
Today i tried to unbind the windows key from a computer because it was getting annoying. Tutorials pointed to the registry. I found nothing but ended up understanding why some keyboards directly have locks on that stupid key
macke49@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 65d
Ha ha ha, no Microslop !
eleitl@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 65d
If it's agentic it's going to burn through tokens even faster, so what's their business model?
teslekova@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 66d
Well, Microsoft, if you want that, put more cocaine in it.
Magnum@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 66d
Congratz you are the first person to successfully sell AI to me.
CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 65d
Scout will only be available for MS 365 customers.
elucubra@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 64d
Phew!
gedaliyah@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 66d
Never heard of Scout or seen the logo, but that's a big swirly poo, right? I'm not crazy, am I? This feels like being punked.
It's most definitely a poo.
hark@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
The next step after all AI company logos looking like an anus.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 65d
They should make slop vapes.
kreskin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 66d
addictive? hahahahah. Poor Microsoft. Everything started going wrong for them when they got rid of Clippy.
THE_GR8_MIKE@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 65d
... how? They can't just say it and expect it to happen. People have to want to use it. How, in the absolute shit sauce, could you possibly be addicted to an AI? What even is the goal?
eronth@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 65d
This is kinda where big business have ended up. They no longer care for the product they're making, and instead directly aim at the end goal
Snapz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
NOBODY WANTS TO WORK (on loving scout) ANYMORE!!!
JensSpahnpasta@feddit.org · 2 pts · 65d
That will really help all those lawsuits from people who got addicted to that thingy.
liking625@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 64d
In the times we live , where sociopath billionares seem to reign, this is no surprising
wizzkidd@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 66d
Attention economy. Gotta fight it or gotta leave it for something better.
vala@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 65d
When you ask an LLM to name itself, "Scout" is a very common name for it to come up with. That and "echo".
lonesomeCat@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 65d
I used the LLM to make the LLM
VoodooMischief@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 64d
Out of touch execs still chasing metrics instead of focusing on quality. Their desperation betrays the awareness that an end is near.
jj4211@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 64d
Sadly, the strategy tends to work. Just like slop and clickbait by any sane world should not be rewarded, it rakes it in for the people who do it.
LightYagami@lemmus.org · 1 pts · 65d
Very surprising
MadMadBunny@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 63d
RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 65d
By taking away any other options?
Be like google, make search so shitty and monetized the only thing left is AI results.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 66d
its like trying to make people like fly agaric.