Turns Out, There Really Is a Cabal of Elite Crazies Trying to Control the World
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a71619211/peter-thiel-dialog-club-wired-report/
https://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/a71619211/peter-thiel-dialog-club-wired-report/
91 Comments
NaibofTabr@infosec.pub · 170 pts · 82d
I think it's important to understand, these people believe that they already control the world. From their perspective, they aren't "trying", they're doing. And they believe they have the right to do so. They believe that having wealth makes them more important and more capable than everyone else, even though the reality is often that having wealth separates them from having to actually do anything for themselves, making them less capable and less experienced than everyone else.
The rest of us, our needs, our concerns, our desires, our lives... none of that matters to them, except when it either enables or impedes getting what they want.
The only thing preventing the entire world from being stuck in complete, abject despotism is that these people are often at each other's throats. When they collude, everything they touch turns to garbage.
agamemnonymous@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 82d
That's the hope. I'm sure there are a handful of billionaires who are decent enough people, tech co-founders who didn't get all weird about the tech money. But the other 98% are legit sociopaths. They can't co-exist for long, they're all secretly undercutting each other. It's in their nature.
One possible future is letting the dragons fight it out, and picking off the stragglers. Fingers crossed đ¤
sundray@lemmus.org · 24 pts · 82d
Absolutely agree. They really believe that they are all that matters.
p03locke@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 82d
Imagine fighting a long war where one side knows they are fighting the war, and a vast majority of the other side thinks they are trying to help them.
There's no war other than class war. We've been fighting it for centuries. Remember that.
BeardededSquidward@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 82d
Right but there are people amongst us poor who threw their lot in with the wealthy years ago. They're as much the enemy because they would fight on the side of wealth.
Marleyinoc@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 76d
And they do do at every election. I guess those voting for parties like the Greens were the heroes so along?
jimmy90@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 82d
i think the oligarchs do defacto control a significant chunk of the world and they are trying to exercise that control to enact their deranged ai-hallucination-like version of reality that their confirmation broken brains think should be done
thankfully they do not share these visions with eachother commonly and nation states are slowly making laws to prevent them abusing the global financial system
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 82d
Being insulated from reality and surrounded by sycophants causes literal brain damage.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 90 pts · 82d
This is the reason why I always get way to mad at conspiracy theorists. You don't have to make up some shadowy cabal or the jews, be mad at the wealthy oligarchs.
Susaga@sh.itjust.works · 48 pts · 82d
One theory I heard: Crazy conspiracy theories were created by the government to make legitimate conspiracy theories look ridiculous by association. "Oh, you think there's an island of pedophile billionaires running the world? I bet you also think the moon landing was fake." A classic "the butts match" gambit.
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 82d
I don't think it is planed like the conspiracy theories are created but ampliefed to distroy the public trust and muddy the waters, I don't think that is too far fetched.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 81d
They stage things.
Seems implausible that they merely wait, then amplify.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 82d
Which is why Alex Jones was a CIA asset whether he knew it or not
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 81d
In a sea of misinformation, everybody's a shill.
Many fish are oblivious to water.
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
smoke screen
terranoid@lemmy.cafe · 16 pts · 82d
Shadow cabal and oligarchy aren't mutually exclusive. Seems to me the oligarchs are just the more obvious nodes of the shadow cabal web, the fuckers with the money and power that can go on TV and talk directly to senators.
Go one step back away from the limelight and you get dudes like Cheney, Bannon, people who interact with all the obvious oligarchs but don't need to post on social media and don't need to stay relevant to constituents. And then people like Epstein, agents in the field gathering blackmail.
Shit is pretty fucking crazy tbh.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 81d
Yup.
And in the 4 classes I've heard the spooks and crooks use, assets, agents, operators and architects, there are those above the agents like Epstein.
I say "above". But, when looking to try see the top, it looks murky. ... Sounds more like the bottom. Of a swamp. Such is kakistarchy. Ruled by the worst.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 82d
Thats level one feury. Level 2 is when they tell you a well known asshole billionaire is going to fight the shadow cabal for us.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 81d
s/billionaire/trillionaire/
Yay. A strongman hero to save us.
:|
Like we've not had that ploy before.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 81d
Messiah inflation?
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
You know them, you know their names, net worth ranked etc.
Among other things they were high on ket and thought they can teabag democracy in the face because everyone is so dumb.
They have shits for brains now that betray the game blatantly.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 81d
We know the projection of the puppets.
Don't fall for the panto.
Climb on out of Plato's cave.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
âAs you probably know I represent the Rothschildâsâ -Jeffery Epstein in email to Peter Thiel.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 2 pts · 82d
So a wealthy oligarch?
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 82d
That's redundant. Sociopathic Oligarch is better. Wait, that's redundant, too...
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 82d
A family of old money wealthy oligarchs who founded the state of Israel and set up Epstein to blackmail politicians in the west to continue to fund their genocidal state at their citizens behest. A little more complicated when you add generations of oligarchs with nefarious agendas. Even if the problem boils down to that these oligarchs have millions brainwashed to defend them and their agenda through tribalism and media propaganda. I agree that most of the worldâs problems have boiled down to the wealthy but that is an oversimplification when you donât factor in the âconspiracyâ meaning the nefarious plots to maintain and grow their power and the control they hold over our âdemocraciesâ.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 82d
What's the point of all that money if you have to use so much of it to manipulate the world so they won't murder you and your entire bloodline?
Just get moderately wealthy, and and have a nice life, with nobody gunning for you. Is the bigger mansion or bigger yacht really that much better?
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 81d
Yup. Reminds me of my ol'
with the implication being, with the prolific provision of the emancipatory technologies, even the richest are better off.
Recently, something was pointed out to me that made me realise, even if in some grand Robin Hood style remedy to the vast economic iniquity, instead the money just went "*poof*", even then, even they[and us all]'d still be better off. The economy would adjust, and even they would have more buying power, the monopoly's "anti-competitive" brakes would be taken off the economy, and the target would be taken off their back.
... But can you imagine the psychology in the psycho oligarch class... the game theory that would be spinning in their grand-narcissistic delusion of superiority and their absence of caring... How many of them would still be foolishly thinking "but if I were the only one who did not lose all their wealth, I would have total dominion over the world! Muhahahahah"!.
Oh to get each and all out of the malconditioned short-looping separationist win delusion, and into the longer now.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 82d
Theyâre mentally ill
CmdrShepard49@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 82d
The more I see from groups like this, I cant help but agree. Maybe its all the isolation and paranoia knowing that most of the people around you are just using you for your money or influence and don't give a shit about you.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 82d
The pedo cabal is downvoting us lol
Formfiller@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 82d
I think cluster b personality disorders like malignant narcissism and psychopathy are rewarded in our broken society so itâs compounded ten fold at the top
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · 0 pts · 82d
Those damn jews, right? If somebody would just do something about them. /s
Please cut that bullshit of these shadowy dark figures in the background. There are real people like Elon Musk from whom we know what he does and influences with his wealth.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 81d
The Rothschildâs being mentioned 12,000 times in the Epstein files is pretty damning and spare me the antisemitism witch hunt. I have no issues with people practicing their religion. I do have issue with Zionists who are made up of Christians, secularists and Jewish people. I have an issue with and a genocidal colonial project run by an evil cabal of oligarchs who are blackmailing our politicians. Israel does not represent a religion. Itâs you who are the bigot. It is you who is willing to put your head in the sand despite overwhelming evidence to support your biases before this Epstein data drop I had no clue about this stuff but now itâs pretty clear what the evidence points to
Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 81d
Mate, if you paddle one of the antisemetic lies of the post war era "the Rothschilds founded Israel" then sorry, you are either not that bright or an antisemite or both. Look up the living Rothschilds. Yes they are wealthy but they aren't even billionaires. Somebody painted a picture of a boogeyman for you so you don't get mad at the real culprits who fuck you over and you took the bait. You are one of the people I meant in my first post.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 81d
I learned it from a university of Chicago history professors talk at my school. Itâs a traceable fact with evidence. France literally raided their offices due to the Epstein files. Nat Rothschild made the deal with the president of Albania for Jared and Ivankas new billionaire island retreat. Itâs you who is not very bright
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 81d
Ugly strawman to jump to, there.
Not the criteria.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 82d
Nice try Mossad.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 0 pts · 81d
Great comment.
Refreshing contrast to the murmuring misdirections away from the man behind the curtain as if he didn't exist.
"Wealth of nations" springs to mind, and how much the Rothschild empire was worth in 1900...
Some seem not even looking to the likes of the BIS, or... or even to any power players, other than those puppets that are loudly presented to them.
... Like (if this isn't too much of a poetic mangle of metaphors) the fish oblivious to water, they're kept degrees of separation away from realising the condition and context of the water, like that they're in a polluted sea of misinformation where everybody's a shill, and that flocking together in confirmation biased shoals echo-chambering to boost confidence in naive-realist stubbornly-held narratives isn't sound epistemology to help them help the situation. Could be time to climb on out of the water and evolve.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · -2 pts · 82d
Can you just fuck off with the anti-semitism? Dog whistles and all? Thx.
doben@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 82d
edit: Alright, as I'm not willing to die on that dumb Rothschild hill, I'm withdrawing.
Duke_Nukem_1990@feddit.org · 3 pts · 82d
I already said I know how dog whistles work. People that go on about "them Rothchilds tho" are not criticizing Israel.
doben@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 82d
Formfiller@lemmy.world · -4 pts · 82d
What?!? Nothing I said wasnât factual. Also, the Palestinianâs are the semetic people not some white guy from jersey.
MutantTailThing@lemmy.world · 50 pts · 82d
Why yes theyâre called âbillionairesâ and thereâs like 3.5 thousand of them.
Eheran@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 82d
Sorry for this odd question, but why "3.5 thousand" instead of 3500 or 3.5k?
bort@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 82d
"3,5 thousand" seems common in spoken language, but not in writing, afaik. I don't know how common it is in english (and dialects), but in german it is.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 82d
Its fine, but in English, three and a half thousand (fraction rather than decimal) is probably more common.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 36 pts · 82d
Conspiracy theories are controlled opposition.
Tell people to be mad at a made up shadow cabinet of rich lizard people who run the world in secret so they won't be mad at the actual, real, existing cabinet of rich human people who run the world out in the open.
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 7 pts · 81d
Yup. It's just people. And we can still mend this.
Don't fall for the "it's an all powerful force beyond your reach" misdirection.
The emperor wears no clothes. We see the man behind the curtain.
[PS, "conspiracy theories"'s a term the crooks have used to dissuade scrutiny of them.]
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 82d
I thought only the queen of England, John English, and PDQ Bach's estate had that kind of wealth. I wish I was right
hansolo@lemmy.today · 36 pts · 82d
More accurate to say "several overlapping cabals trying to expand their own fifedoms"
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 82d
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 82d
No no, those are fife drums
hansolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 81d
I spell bad a lot, but I'm keeping my typo as-is so this makes sense in the future, as it made me laugh.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 81d
"Fife"doms aside, it should be thiefdoms
x0x7@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 82d
Woah man. That's what conspiracy theorists argue.
hansolo@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 82d
Nah, they think it's only one, and then oscillate between Bilderberg, the Knights Templar, and the Illuminati.
IRL, there's a Venn diagram of 3 to 7 wealthy Cool Kids groups that all compete for influence and money. They're generally not even that secretive about it other than Peter Thiel.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 31 pts · 82d
The original version of the source article identified the location as the Powerscourt Hotel; in an act of journalistic cowardice (to be expected from a CondĂŠ Nast Publication) Wired later edited their article to remove that detail "to address a security concern raised by a Dialog representative".
Esquire is unsurprisingly sticking with Wired's "near Dublin" description of the location, but fortunately it looks like some Irish media outlets (eg this and this) are reporting where it actually is so hopefully there will be some local opposition present.
cypherpunks@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 53d
update: https://www.irishtimes.com/ireland/2026/07/03/wicklow-hotel-cancels-secretive-peter-thiel-conference/ â¨
Shameless@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 82d
Whilst this was always obvious and is not at all surprising, it's definitely worth reviewing the list which someone took the time to compile: https://github.com/nzaki-dev/dialog
GMac@feddit.org · 6 pts · 82d
There are a couple of names im disappointed to see there. Robert Cialdini, Adam Grant, Jonathan Haidt stand out as likely speakers rather than members. Tim Urban and Josh Brolin are odd inclusions... unless the latter really is Thanos
mig@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
Holy shitballs.
scarabic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
Cory Booker, Ezra Klein, and Reid Hoffman arenât people I generally consider evil. I wonder if we can get them to say something about this whole affair and what goes on there.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 82d
How many of them have been on Rogan?'
LittleBorat3@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 82d
Who hasn't? Simpler that way. Someone showed up with money at Joe's, 2012 if I had to bet.
merc@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 82d
Has he had on Timothy Mellon, the second largest political contributor after Elon Musk in the last election cycle? Has he had on the Uihleins or the Adelsons?
Only a small subset of the people making huge political donations want publicity, and only an even smaller subset of those are interesting enough that Joe Rogan would do a podcast with them.
Don't think that most of them are interesting in a macabre way like Thiel or Musk. Most are old, crotchety assholes who inherited vast fortunes who aren't interesting, don't seek publicity, and just want to remake the world without pesky democracy interfering.
Fedizen@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
A lot of the griftiest sorts have to make public appearances to sell their poison pills (such as elon's meme stock.) So them also being on rogan says they are particularly scammy.
luthis@lemmy.nz · 25 pts · 82d
What's next? 'Actually, the sky is blue'
sundray@lemmus.org · 14 pts · 82d
𤡠New people get born every day. Gotta restate the obvious from time to time, make sure everyone is caught up.
W3dd1e@lemmy.zip · 24 pts · 82d
Eat the rich.
Escape13@slrpnk.net · 14 pts · 82d
And compost them too!
dan1101@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 82d
I almost wonder if Rogan is a useful idiot, if someone running his show is the elite crazy or at least wannabe elite.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 17 pts · 82d
No need to wonder, it's been obvious for years now.
Being a useful idiot doesn't require the person being aware of their idiotic usefulness. Usually they aren't.
lobut@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 82d
I think Rogan believes he's in charge though. He talks like he's making his own decisions.
Undoubtedly he's being manipulated but yeah at the very least he's a useful idiot.
can@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 82d
Yes, and that someone is largely believed to be Thiel.
phoenixz@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 82d
I mean, we all know what these people are about but I'm just taken back by the brazenness and openness of all of it.
This is basically "Yes, I made a cult to become a billionaire with a following, what about you?" and somehow nobody bats an eye? That is, of course, nobody that could do something about this.
Bloomcole@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 82d
There Really ARE Cabals of Elite Crazies Trying to Control the World
It's more than this one.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 82d
âAs you are probably aware I represent the Rothschildâsâ -Jeffery Epstein in email to Peter Thiel
hopesdead@startrek.website · 9 pts · 82d
Is Inside Job based on a true story?
Bo7a@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 82d
This shit never changes.
Binturong@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 82d
yes... trying...
Taleya@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 82d
Having a lot of money doesn't make you immune to grifters, bullshit, facebook cooker theories or just plain going nuts.
droniecarp@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 81d
It's not a cabal, it's all narcissists with money competing against each other. They all know what's best for them and are the main characters in their feeble minds.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 82d
No, there's not.
There's many of them, and they are all rich and trying to stab each other's backs to get more power and money.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 81d
And history shows that EVERY time they felt their wealth and power were genuinely threatened, they conceded both. You don't even need a bloody revolution, they just need to see that it is a possibility before their thin skin starts crawling.
The british monarchy saw the french revolution and invented the parliamentary system. The robber barron's saw the communist revolutions in the east and suddenly the new deal, suffrage, and civil rights. Today, the billionaires are outclassed and out numbered worse than either of those examples, and will crumple like a paper tiger the second their facade is broken. All they have is their propaganda networks to protect them.
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 3 pts · 81d
Watching Musk get behind a mic and start bellyaching about declining fertility rates is rather revealing
EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com · 4 pts · 81d
"The greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn't exist"
Digit@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 81d
"They know what's good for them" -- George Carlin
x0x7@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 82d
And yet when people tried to point this out earlier, they were called conspiracy theorists. There are false conspiracy theories and true conspiracy theories. That's just how theories work. The ones that espouse true theories are then denigrated for seeing things faster than you.
This is why labeling something a conspiracy theory is not a useful way to dismiss an idea. The dismissal is only right half the time. And the other half you are missing something important, or refusing to believe something without looking into it. Instead, more correct is to critically assess what is true and false and not what is a conspiracy theory and not a conspiracy theory. It's more work but it's also more correct.
Who prefers the term "conspiracy theory" to be a shortcut for claiming an idea is false? A: People involved in actual conspiracies.
Also, people who use that pattern to claim something is false just generally struggle with English. Conspiracy != Conspiracy theory != False. But a common trope of a useful idiot is to claim something is false because it's just a conspiracy. And a shocking number of people take that argument seriously. Despite the fact that this person can hardly differencial aspects in the English language, much less develop useful anticipation of how the powerful will strategize, or worse, comprehensively determine without evidence what is not possible there.
If you discuss an idea of what powerful people will do, you are technically engaging with conspiracy theory. And we can't be having any of that!
badgermurphy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 82d
1984@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 82d
Easy fix, just don't talk about what you know to random people. :)
It's like trying to sell icecream to people who hate icecream. Also, I certainly didnt learn about these things from someones comment on the internet. It was just watching world events like 9/11 and not being a complete moron believing the official story. :)
Then I got interested, found lots of good documentaries. YouTube used to be full of very good ones before they deleted them. I was very interested in that stuff.
Now the world is very different and people are seeing evil openly in the white house even. But it was very different back then.