Your flock post reminder that they aren't just license plate readers. They capture Bluetooth and wifi MACs, NFC IDs, and cellphone IMEIs, scan for wifi ssids (exactly like a WiFi Pineapple, to further fingerprint a device) from every device within range. They also do facial recognition of everyone within view of the lens. All that information is sent to flock for sale to any government agency,
I'm seeing a whole lot of people say otherwise with laser strength talk and have handled cameras before so imma trust them over some random claiming otherwise.
No, and as said that only blocks the camera and nothing else.
Every single thread I've seen feels like there are people who are actively trying to suggest the worst ways to do something to them. It almost feels like paid actors who are there to lower the level of handicap made to the cameras, it's that prevalent.
Again and again it's someone who says the right thing, actually destroying them or using something to disable more than just one thing and there's always replies like yours.
I just don't understand how people witch such immense ignorance and idiocy show up and reply to every fucking thread.
I think the point is, they are scraping any possible data points they can over any tech/frequency/etc. NFC is unlikely unless that is pushed alongside BTLE, BT, or WiFi.
FWIW, businesses deploy tech that does this too, just for pure greed purposes, rather than mass surveillance.
You "can" read nfc from further away, the couple of cm limit is it's designed operation.
You need an emitter with enough field strength to power the remote chip that is also sensitive enough to read the modulation on the signal. You can buy commercial devices that go about a meter. You can get all hacky and push way past that, but you need antennas that are much larger than what would fit in a flock box
I questioned that too. Didn't get a satisfactory response. It was a in a presentation for mainly law enforcement to a generally non-technical audience. But I include it in my 'notification' anyway because those bastards are sneaky. The main push of the presentation is that if it emits a signal, it's leaving digital exhaust that can be tracked and correlated.
Well fuck me sideways, I guess. I wonder how much diabetics are tracked by their stuff. My cousin has a pump and a glucose sensor that I'm pretty sure use bluetooth.
Are some allegedly ALPR+car identification (including dents and “convoys”, associated vehicles) only while others (like some capturing walking paths) do the faces + audio & all?
Might be fake but apparently those refillable K-lighters can be loaded with paint via a spray can and depressing the lighter shoots out a perfectly lens shaped spray of paint.
Yes but also depends. The lighter is concealable. As someone whose done CCTV investigations, that will be a massive headache for anyone trying to catch you after the fact.
Just so everyone is aware, even the non-flock speed readers are almost certainly tracking you by your license plate, if not more. I helped try to find a missing elderly person a while ago, maybe five or so years ago, and the government had a record of his movements based on reading his license plate from static roadside devices. I also know that the local cops had a speed display thingie like shown on the video that would alert them to license plates that were listed as stolen vehicles. I wouldn't doubt that it also tracked every other license plate it read. That was, give or take, a decade ago.
Flock might have notoriety right now, but fuck if the 'littler' things like cops put up probably don't also have more than just cameras now. I'm especially thinking of the things that look like those shown 3 or four posts down on this old post
People have no idea. I read an article a month ago or so that said that WiFi 7 can use radio/sound frequencies to identify individual people in its range. About 20 years ago a theory was proven to be 80+% accurate at capturing passwords by using a microphone to remotely listen to someone type on a keyboard for a while. Websites, applications, operating systems, hardware, carriers, satellites, vehicle manufacturers, payment processors, healthcare systems, watches, GPS, TVs, etc. are all collecting information whether in good faith or not, and various entities, including the government and private companies, are paying and/or using regulatory enforcement to gather it all. The fight for privacy has already been lost. And most people don't care or are willing to accept it. The silver lining the thought that it's not worth fighting it anymore is kind of relieving.
In my friends city they use drones that do fly bys.
I remember visiting and we're all outside and smoking weed at night and a drone flies over the house next to us, goes down a line across other houses and makes a turn and flies down the row right next to the last one it made. Like it was mowing the lawn.
At first I thought it was a hobbyists until I noticed the pattern it was taking. It was a surveillance drone and when I asked my buddy if there was a manhunt or something going on for someone he replied that that's the local police stations drone and that they do that all the time.
I'll never forget the terror I felt when he said that. I don't smoke all the time either so I was just staring at them in disbelief while they were all laughing and just chilling about it while I was freaking the absolute hell out about it. I remember they told me I'm just being paranoid.
"ABOUT NIGHTLY DRONE FLY BYS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT!?" I still can't believe said I'm just being paranoid about being scared shirtless about that and what ur brings for the future.
Police surveillance has been overreaching for a long time
This is what's been confusing me about this whole situation. They've been tracking vehicle movements with ANPR cameras, the movements of your phone from its Bluetooth and wifi transmissions, and your movements with facial recognition for years now. Flock just stapled "AI" on to it and marketed it harder.
It's great to see communities finally speaking up about these issues, but it's going to take a lot of work to undo it all. In the meantime, if you have people around you that you can trust, maybe pool your vehicles and phones to increase the noise in their data.
People like the EFF have been fighting these surveillance cameras that track plates for years and years. Flock specifically got notoriety because people started getting grabbed off the street and shipped off to camps or foreign Gulags and we learned Flock was providing the tracking data to do it. Families have been ripped apart and people have died in a reasonable connection with Flock.
I guess what I should have said was that I'm confused as to why more people weren't up in arms before now. I'm not actually confused, as you say, the harm has now been made obvious when it could be ignored before, but I am frustrated. My biggest concern is that Flock will act as a lightening rod for people's anger and eventually be removed, leaving the rest of the system intact. It feels very much like a sacrificial move to get people to ignore the underlying problem, whilst exposing themselves if they take action, and allowing those in favour of tracking to say "see it's just those violent extremists who don't like being tracked, you're not like that, so you have nothing to fear, right?" The public pushback needs to be widened, somehow, to encompass all forms of tracking like this.
My. Local jackasses just put a speed reader like this right in one of the lanes on my street. It tells you your speed as you swerve around it into incoming traffic. It's infuriating.. Now I want to check to see if has a flock cam in it.
Look, your time would be better served putting together a delegation to speak before your local municipal council. It's easy, it's free, it's your right, and it's far more effective than random vandalism. If you haven't even done that, you're probably not very serious about this and you're just here venting your impotence.
I do. The public does. Who do you think owns and pays for the cameras? And why are you being so cagey about answering my simple questions? The abuse and evasion you respond with makes me think they are somehow threatening to you, but that would be absurd. Right?
The same 'public' that makes all my friends own anonymizing clothing that covers all identifying features and gas masks in case they ever want to hold up a sign asking that their tax dollars not be used to fund the rape of babies and murder of entire hospitals? The same 'public' that makes everyone I know feel like they're a hunted animal when they dye their hair or go into a rich part of town or speak their mind in the open? The same 'public' that disappears people for being homeless or born an hour's drive south of here, and kills people for asking themto stop?
Because that 'public' and the people who support them need to be killed.
Damn, to bad they don’t work on Sundays lol
(Imagine publicly planning a flock heist and police go to protect it on a fucking Sunday of ask things and no one ever show s up lmao)
84 Comments
Railing5132@lemmy.world · 221 pts · 58d
Your flock post reminder that they aren't just license plate readers. They capture Bluetooth and wifi MACs, NFC IDs, and cellphone IMEIs, scan for wifi ssids (exactly like a WiFi Pineapple, to further fingerprint a device) from every device within range. They also do facial recognition of everyone within view of the lens. All that information is sent to flock for sale to any government agency,
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 58d
A couple of magnets and a small sheet of metal will not only block the camera, but also leave it fully enclosed in a metal box.
UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world · 31 pts · 58d
A stiff wind or a jostle will knock that loose. Sometimes what you need is a hammer
eyelevel@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 58d
cynar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 58d
A few neodymium magnets and that's a non issue. It also makes it harder to prove damages in front of a judge, if you're ever caught.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 57d
General Ludd's hammer always worked.
ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 58d
Fuck the people in my town have just started running them over with their cars.
To the point it's making headlines in the news lmao
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 11 pts · 58d
Black spray paint
JcbAzPx@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 58d
That doesn't stop the electronic surveillance.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 10 pts · 58d
Sure, but it makes it a whole lot easier for the next activist to disable that
We work in teams. Each accoring to their own ability and risk appetite.
First, someone maps the location of the cameras on OSM. That's totally legal and extremely important for the whole effort.
Next, someone spray paints them. Then someone cuts them down and smashes them. Finally, scrappers come to collect the waste.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
Ooh, what a good turn of phrase. I'm taking it.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 57d
Some people burn the cameras out with lasers instead of spray paint!
possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 57d
lasers don't damage the entire sensor, it puts dots in the sensor but rarely kills it entirely.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 56d
I'm seeing a whole lot of people say otherwise with laser strength talk and have handled cameras before so imma trust them over some random claiming otherwise.
Marthirial@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
I was going to go with dog shit but an I am not crafty as all of yous.
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 58d
I'm just pragmatic. It works better at scale to fill an old fire extinguisher with black spray paint and pressurize it
M137@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 58d
No, and as said that only blocks the camera and nothing else. Every single thread I've seen feels like there are people who are actively trying to suggest the worst ways to do something to them. It almost feels like paid actors who are there to lower the level of handicap made to the cameras, it's that prevalent.
Again and again it's someone who says the right thing, actually destroying them or using something to disable more than just one thing and there's always replies like yours.
I just don't understand how people witch such immense ignorance and idiocy show up and reply to every fucking thread.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 23 pts · 58d
Also microphones
BassTurd@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 58d
It would be a shame if someone much smarter than me used that knowledge to exploit these systems with
malwarefreedomeware.fyzzlefry@retrolemmy.com · 1 pts · 57d
What are their inputs?
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 12 pts · 58d
How does it fetch NFC data when it's only readable within a few cm?
plz1@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 58d
I think the point is, they are scraping any possible data points they can over any tech/frequency/etc. NFC is unlikely unless that is pushed alongside BTLE, BT, or WiFi.
FWIW, businesses deploy tech that does this too, just for pure greed purposes, rather than mass surveillance.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 58d
You "can" read nfc from further away, the couple of cm limit is it's designed operation.
You need an emitter with enough field strength to power the remote chip that is also sensitive enough to read the modulation on the signal. You can buy commercial devices that go about a meter. You can get all hacky and push way past that, but you need antennas that are much larger than what would fit in a flock box
lazynooblet@lazysoci.al · 4 pts · 57d
That's really insightful, thanks đź‘Ť
Railing5132@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 58d
I questioned that too. Didn't get a satisfactory response. It was a in a presentation for mainly law enforcement to a generally non-technical audience. But I include it in my 'notification' anyway because those bastards are sneaky. The main push of the presentation is that if it emits a signal, it's leaving digital exhaust that can be tracked and correlated.
imadethis@fedinsfw.app · 7 pts · 58d
Well fuck me sideways, I guess. I wonder how much diabetics are tracked by their stuff. My cousin has a pump and a glucose sensor that I'm pretty sure use bluetooth.
brbposting@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 58d
Are some allegedly ALPR+car identification (including dents and “convoys”, associated vehicles) only while others (like some capturing walking paths) do the faces + audio & all?
0ndead@infosec.pub · 83 pts · 58d
That one’s begging for some spray paint
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 47 pts · 58d
A camera is only one of the many sensors in the surveillance system
DragonOracleIX@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 58d
It will at least have one less method to surveil us with.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 22 pts · 58d
Might be fake but apparently those refillable K-lighters can be loaded with paint via a spray can and depressing the lighter shoots out a perfectly lens shaped spray of paint.
jackal@infosec.pub · 12 pts · 58d
Well shit… let me go do some research. For science.
ThouHastNoPizza@sh.itjust.works · 6 pts · 58d
Any results?
jackal@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 58d
Not really. Now, I honestly got sidetracked after coming up short with a few different attempts.
Where are my people who can hunt down any information at? Because that sure as shit isn’t me lol
ThouHastNoPizza@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 58d
I know that feeling all too well
not@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 58d
Found this on the tube: https://youtu.be/QrNZnwyWCMg
ThouHastNoPizza@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 58d
Very nice
quick_snail@feddit.nl · 3 pts · 58d
Fire extinguisher filled with paint works better
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 58d
Yes but also depends. The lighter is concealable. As someone whose done CCTV investigations, that will be a massive headache for anyone trying to catch you after the fact.
Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 58d
Try EMP.
BCsven@lemmy.ca · 65 pts · 58d
Land of the free home of the Surveillance State
imadethis@fedinsfw.app · 35 pts · 58d
Just so everyone is aware, even the non-flock speed readers are almost certainly tracking you by your license plate, if not more. I helped try to find a missing elderly person a while ago, maybe five or so years ago, and the government had a record of his movements based on reading his license plate from static roadside devices. I also know that the local cops had a speed display thingie like shown on the video that would alert them to license plates that were listed as stolen vehicles. I wouldn't doubt that it also tracked every other license plate it read. That was, give or take, a decade ago.
Flock might have notoriety right now, but fuck if the 'littler' things like cops put up probably don't also have more than just cameras now. I'm especially thinking of the things that look like those shown 3 or four posts down on this old post
quarkquasar@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 57d
inmate_p01135809@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 57d
People have no idea. I read an article a month ago or so that said that WiFi 7 can use radio/sound frequencies to identify individual people in its range. About 20 years ago a theory was proven to be 80+% accurate at capturing passwords by using a microphone to remotely listen to someone type on a keyboard for a while. Websites, applications, operating systems, hardware, carriers, satellites, vehicle manufacturers, payment processors, healthcare systems, watches, GPS, TVs, etc. are all collecting information whether in good faith or not, and various entities, including the government and private companies, are paying and/or using regulatory enforcement to gather it all. The fight for privacy has already been lost. And most people don't care or are willing to accept it. The silver lining the thought that it's not worth fighting it anymore is kind of relieving.
DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip · 12 pts · 57d
In my friends city they use drones that do fly bys.
I remember visiting and we're all outside and smoking weed at night and a drone flies over the house next to us, goes down a line across other houses and makes a turn and flies down the row right next to the last one it made. Like it was mowing the lawn.
At first I thought it was a hobbyists until I noticed the pattern it was taking. It was a surveillance drone and when I asked my buddy if there was a manhunt or something going on for someone he replied that that's the local police stations drone and that they do that all the time.
I'll never forget the terror I felt when he said that. I don't smoke all the time either so I was just staring at them in disbelief while they were all laughing and just chilling about it while I was freaking the absolute hell out about it. I remember they told me I'm just being paranoid.
"ABOUT NIGHTLY DRONE FLY BYS BY THE POLICE DEPARTMENT!?" I still can't believe said I'm just being paranoid about being scared shirtless about that and what ur brings for the future.
Police surveillance has been overreaching for a long time
grrgyle@slrpnk.net · 3 pts · 57d
Welcome, to City 17. It's safer here.
notabot@piefed.social · 6 pts · 58d
This is what's been confusing me about this whole situation. They've been tracking vehicle movements with ANPR cameras, the movements of your phone from its Bluetooth and wifi transmissions, and your movements with facial recognition for years now. Flock just stapled "AI" on to it and marketed it harder.
It's great to see communities finally speaking up about these issues, but it's going to take a lot of work to undo it all. In the meantime, if you have people around you that you can trust, maybe pool your vehicles and phones to increase the noise in their data.
Jason2357@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 57d
People like the EFF have been fighting these surveillance cameras that track plates for years and years. Flock specifically got notoriety because people started getting grabbed off the street and shipped off to camps or foreign Gulags and we learned Flock was providing the tracking data to do it. Families have been ripped apart and people have died in a reasonable connection with Flock.
notabot@piefed.social · 7 pts · 57d
I guess what I should have said was that I'm confused as to why more people weren't up in arms before now. I'm not actually confused, as you say, the harm has now been made obvious when it could be ignored before, but I am frustrated. My biggest concern is that Flock will act as a lightening rod for people's anger and eventually be removed, leaving the rest of the system intact. It feels very much like a sacrificial move to get people to ignore the underlying problem, whilst exposing themselves if they take action, and allowing those in favour of tracking to say "see it's just those violent extremists who don't like being tracked, you're not like that, so you have nothing to fear, right?" The public pushback needs to be widened, somehow, to encompass all forms of tracking like this.
bitjunkie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
Joke's on them, I can't afford car registration
SSETranquility@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 58d
Ty for the link. Interesting topic
BeUnique@lemmy.zip · 35 pts · 58d
Wouldn't it be absolutely horrible if somebody accidentally swung a sledgehammer into the back of that from the other side before being filmed.
devaly@ani.social · 36 pts · 58d
do not bring any phone or smart device with you
far_university1990@reddthat.com · 2 pts · 58d
As soundtrack i recommend Savant - Slegdehammer.
Smaile@lemmy.ca · 31 pts · 58d
still vulnerable to a hammer and a lock cutter
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 58d
It's got six itty bitty phillips screws.
Imgonnatrythis@sh.itjust.works · 29 pts · 58d
My. Local jackasses just put a speed reader like this right in one of the lanes on my street. It tells you your speed as you swerve around it into incoming traffic. It's infuriating.. Now I want to check to see if has a flock cam in it.
SalamiDommie@lemmus.org · 24 pts · 57d
The game is now the people vs the unelected.
The elected feel entitled to their positions and are trying to established the unelected to attain their desires outside of the will of the people.
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au · 19 pts · 58d
Dismantle the whole thing. Punish them.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 58d
How does that punish anyone? You may feel righteous venting your anger on a hunk of plastic, but that feeling doesn't signify anything.
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au · 5 pts · 58d
Dismantle not wreck. Take every part.
It hits their budget. In so much as they have one. Its not the punishment they deserve, but you need to find their families for that.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 57d
Look, your time would be better served putting together a delegation to speak before your local municipal council. It's easy, it's free, it's your right, and it's far more effective than random vandalism. If you haven't even done that, you're probably not very serious about this and you're just here venting your impotence.
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au · 2 pts · 57d
You think someone doing this gives a shit what I have yo say? Have you seen what they spend on tear gas?
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 56d
lol
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 57d
It hits YOUR budget. Who is this "they"??
No, seriously, who is this "they" with families that you are now threatening? Who do you think this punishes? I really want to know.
n7gifmdn@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 56d
There are those who want to be left alone, and They/them/those are those ones you just won't leave them alone.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 0 pts · 57d
Who owns the cameras, numbnuts?
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 57d
Oh, you're just some random abusive user, not the person I was talking to. Both please forgive my mistake.
jerkface@lemmy.ca · 0 pts · 57d
I do. The public does. Who do you think owns and pays for the cameras? And why are you being so cagey about answering my simple questions? The abuse and evasion you respond with makes me think they are somehow threatening to you, but that would be absurd. Right?
cavitationfetishist2@quokk.au · 1 pts · 57d
'The public'?
The same 'public' that makes all my friends own anonymizing clothing that covers all identifying features and gas masks in case they ever want to hold up a sign asking that their tax dollars not be used to fund the rape of babies and murder of entire hospitals? The same 'public' that makes everyone I know feel like they're a hunted animal when they dye their hair or go into a rich part of town or speak their mind in the open? The same 'public' that disappears people for being homeless or born an hour's drive south of here, and kills people for asking themto stop?
Because that 'public' and the people who support them need to be killed.
gamermanh@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 57d
No, Flock owns their cameras. The public paying for damages only extends until the public refuses to do so.
I'm not being cagey, I'm someone else pointing out that you're an idiot who apparently can't even read usernames
Felis_Catus_Domesticus@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 58d
Put a little vaseline on the lens..
nullspace@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 57d
What's the legality of something like that? You aren't damaging property and you aren't defacing in the same way as spray paint.
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 57d
Lil spray paint won’t hurt
modus@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
Neither will fire. Prove me wrong. If I'm wrong, we still win.
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 57d
Stick an axe in it for fun? >:3c
modus@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 57d
My psych says I'm not allowed to have so much fun.
GarboDog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 56d
Damn, to bad they don’t work on Sundays lol (Imagine publicly planning a flock heist and police go to protect it on a fucking Sunday of ask things and no one ever show s up lmao)
Ascend910@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 57d
If glass, add a lot if super glue. If plastic, blow torch the lens If other a sledge hammer will do the trick
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 57d
Is covering it a obstruction? Since the device it's in clearly is for another usecase.
belated_frog_pants@beehaw.org · 1 pts · 57d
Big ball of mud should take care of that for a while
Etterra@discuss.online · -23 pts · 58d
These things aren't new, even a little bit. Whoever posted this really must be from Podunk if this is the first time they've seen one.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 19 pts · 58d
With the flock camera in the back?