Helen of Scandinavia

Doesn't seem that way

https://xcancel.com/ArtisanAles1/status/2078954828844146971#m

Or maybe they're not commenting on her appearance at all and saying she owns a marina with 1,000 ships.

Yes, but when the ancient Greek describe "blonde" they aren't referring to the same colors we associate blonde with. Alexander the Great's hair was said to be xanthos.... Contemporary depictions of him are with light brown or chestnut colored hair.

The greeks of today aren't necessarily representative of what the greeks back then looked like.

Yes, because a lot of Greek people have some Slavic lineage in their family history and are lighter skinned than ancient Greek would have been.

"Why would you make a movie about black people? That's racist." - MAGA

They wouldn't watch it

They just throw out the rationalization that Jesus appears to people in their own form or some shit. Nevermind he hasn’t appeared in a few thousand years.

What I find incredibly racist and chauvinistic is that if you look for “what color was Jesus” a large chunk of the returns are “Was Jesus actually (black, brown, some other skin tone than white)?”

These people start from the White Jesus and ask if a man from 2200 years ago living in the Middle East was some other color than white. Nah.

Looks Swedish to me.

Nefrititi lived 3000 years ago and based on her bust wouldn't look out of place in most Mediterranean countries today, there's no reason to think contemporaneous Greeks would look any less Mediterranean.

That's not really true, especially in southern Greece. DNA studies have shown the modern Greek people share around 90% of their ancestry with ancient Minoans and Myceenans. In the South, especially on islands like Crete they're virtually the same. In the North there is some admixture mostly with Slavic and Balkans, and some traces from the Ottoman empire.

Relatively short term occupations or small migrations tend to change an ethnic groups DNA less than you would think. After 4 generations you would end up with the same scenario of seeing the whitest person you have ever seen claiming they're 1/16th Cherokee.

Look, a thousand or so years before that, god had realized that even if he personally impregnated some dark little middle eastern girl without her consent, the best he could hope for was a light skinned son with brown hair. It was so disappointing that he didn't even notice when they tortured the boy to death. Heck, when the little fucker showed up all unexpected at gods front door, god was so surprised that he accidentally drove his soul back into the corpse and reanimated it. What a mess that was! That little brown haired zombie bastard running around scaring the hell out of people... lol.
Anyway, fast forward a thousand years and god had realized that if he wanted to reset the color palette on the human race, he was going to go west a skosh and start with something a little lighter. That worked out pretty well at first but eventually turned into its own complete mess.

Look the ancient rom- I mean greeks were bronze, that's a totally different color from hispanic. Unfortunately bronze doesn't exist anymore and all the scrolls were written in black and white so we can never verify this.

It's a real person on two different days.

Why they chose two pictures? No fucking idea.

First one is like the stupid promo tiktok for the business/for her own tiktok, second one must be an Instagram post or maybe someone met her and went "you're the lady from tiktok!! Can I get a picture?"

I think it's just two photos of some random girl at the place she works.

He knows when you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake... 🎶

Oh you better watch out, you better not cry, oh you better not pout, I'm telling you why! 🎵

Helen of Troy, famously wasn't from Troy though.
A very long and famous story was written about this.

Your picture is a few centuries after the Trojan War and from a different culture.

I think the lesson is that cultures always adapt modern and local standards to cast into their historical tales. Beauty especially can change with time and place. You know all those round-faced women from the days of early film? It's not that women got hotter over the century--those women were hot. Guys from the 1920 would probably think our hot women to be poorly-fed vagrant farm workers.

Another data point: Mar-Al-Lago face. Hideous to us, but extremely attractive to the guillotine class.

That said, the blonde, blue-eyed nordic beauty standard is perhaps the most durable beauty standard we have in the West; it absolutely dominated at least between 1950-2000, so it makes cultural sense to make Helen look like that.

Edit: Another data point this Jewish guy from 30 CE Palestine:

I don't agree there is a lesson here. But I do disagree that that might be it. It is an observation that a lot of cultures have had standards of beauty and also have depicted fictional figures alike themselves, but the reasons are as varied as they come. I do agree that trying to break from that is not accidental and it's a deliberate choice made by some artists today. And that's ok and no civilization will die because of that haha. (To kinda paraphrase some of the criticisms I've read about nolan). And my goal was to counter a bit the narrative here that the cultures white supremacists (be that true believers or regular old people who don't think much about it) enjoy, have always been diverse. And wanting a white washed version of an epic is at the very least, influenced by contemporary racism. As a teacher used to say. Racism was invented in the middle ages haha.

Seems like a person who could be from troy (aka wilusa, in modern turkey) to me 🤷‍♂️

Tojan men always going for the blonde shiksa..

It is more different and regional than pigment oriented. It would be more like my Scottish buddy who fucking HATES glasweigians and couldn't give two fucks about your skin color.

Really? People have always put other people in ‘boxes’. Even apes do it.

This is true. People were prejudiced, of course, but the concept of racism specifically, as opposed to ethnic tribalism, is comparatively modern. Don’t forget there were white slaves and black emperors of Rome, etc. Skin color is a modern obsession.

Racism is nothing more than tribalism, but in a bigger "tribe".

The mentality has existed since we were apes living in caves, and that is where it should stay.

It does not belong in a civilized society.