Hi. I'm looking for a good code editor that doesn't have any AI in it at all. My problem is, I like modern code editors like VSCodium, but I think it has AI or at least supports it. I know Zed has AI and Zed is kind of complicated to use. Here are my requests for a code editor:
No AI or telemetry Built-in live preview for HTML Built-in terminal Extensions
Right now, I'm using Pulsar, but it has no live preview that I know of. Any suggestions help. I'm not a fan of notepad++, though. It's very complicated to setup and use. Thanks in advance!
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hasnep@lemmy.ml · 34 pts · 7d
Gram
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 7d
The mission page for gram, as someone unfamiliar with it until this thread, is genuinely a thing of beauty.
victorz@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 7d
It's great, even has a Helix mode for us Helix users!
callmemagnus@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
Is that a thing ?
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
Is what a thing? Helix?
CodingCarpenter@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 7d
Looks like sublime text. How does it differ?
nlgranger@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 6d
It is actually a fork of Zed with AI features removed.
Hund@feddit.nu · 29 pts · 7d
Neovim. No other editor comes close to it.
AdamBomb@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
I love Neovim, but it lacks live HTML preview that the OP specifically requested
Hund@feddit.nu · 3 pts · 6d
That's super easy to fix with tools like entr. That's what I use when I write Markdown documents so I can automatically generate the plain text file to a PDF document using Pandoc, and preview it simply by saving the file in Neovim. :)
mik3dd0@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 7d
I also second this!
_deleted_@aussie.zone · 19 pts · 7d
vim
copygirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 7d
vim might be tainted:
Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 7d
Not sure about preview, but Kate?
mirshafie@europe.pub · 6 pts · 7d
Kate rules.
Sivecano@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 7d
I'm always surprised by its sheer power
Jozzo@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 7d
I got markdown previews somehow so it can probably do HTML too!
curbstickle@anarchist.nexus · 4 pts · 7d
It does have preview, the plugin has to be enabled/may need some libraries installed.
marcie@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 7d
Kate's dope for everything, small notes, code.
supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 7d
Emacs!!!
madnificent@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
Should work with embedded webkit widgets for the preview.
Lettuceeatlettuce@lemmy.ml · 12 pts · 6d
If you like/don't mind working in the terminal, Neovim can do basically anything, it's hyper-modular. But the learning curve is very steep. The people who use it are absolutely devoted, and it's an incredible piece of software, but it's not made with the beginner in mind.
If you want a traditional GUI app, Kate from the KDE team is a really nice, reasonably lightweight IDE. Kate IDE
It's like a simplified VSCodium. It has all the basic IDE features, LSP and syntax highlighting for 400+ programming languages, tabs/panes/window support, code breakpoints, Git integration, built-in terminal execution, and community plugins for various other features.
The one thing Kate doesn't have for your use case, is a built-in live HTML preview. Technically, Kate actually supports a simple HTML live preview if you enable it, but only in the Linux version, and from what I read online, other than very basic HTML stuff, it's not very good. There may be a community plugin that somebody built, but you would need to research that yourself.
ProdigalFrog@slrpnk.net · 10 pts · 7d
Geany is quite a nice, simple editor. Very lightweight, open-source, and no AI.
Flagstaff@programming.dev · 4 pts · 7d
The line break system is weird and should be opt-in, not opt-out, but yes, otherwise, Geany is great! I've otherwise simply been using Xed on Linux Mint.
Lanske@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
Second this!
helix@feddit.org · 9 pts · 7d
You can easily disable all AI features in Zed.
dracs@programming.dev · 7 pts · 7d
I was going to mention the same. Zed has a single global "Disable AI" option which works well.
maxihuenu@lemmy.ml · -1 pts · 7d
not enough. we need ZERO a.i trash. Why need to waste developing energy in develop a.i shit? no need. i repeat: we need ZERO A.I trash in a text editor
404@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 7d
Gram, an AI free Zed fork, fits this perfectly.
As an other commenter mentioned, you can read their mission statement here: https://gram-editor.com/docs/mission/
maxihuenu@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 3d
well, seems like Gram just take it down. F
maxihuenu@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 6d
great!
TheHobbyist@lemmy.zip · 8 pts · 7d
Vscodium
Free/Libre Open Source Software Binaries of VS Code. VSCodium is a community-driven, freely-licensed binary distribution of Microsoft’s editor VS Code.
https://vscodium.com/
mik3dd0@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 7d
I second this!
iByteABit@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 7d
If you're willing to go into the terminal based editor rabbit hole, I recommend going straight to helix, coming from vim/neovim in the past it's much easier to get into and maintain since it's batteries included and doesn't take huge dotfiles to configure it like you want, and the movement feels more intuitive to me than vim's
Swedneck@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 6d
Helix is tainted: https://github.com/helix-editor/helix/pull/15433/commits
iByteABit@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 6d
are you literally showing a 2 line change and saying "helix is tainted" because this tiny tiny change was co-authored by claude? lmao come on
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 3 pts · 5d
I will say why did they even bother using Claude for this.
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 1 pts · 6d
What? That PR does very little?
a_non_monotonic_function@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 5d
You don't understand they didn't use metadata!
somegeek@programming.dev · 8 pts · 6d
People here gave great suggestions!
Live HTML previews isn't a dealbreaker feature. Use external tools like https://github.com/Abenezer-Daniel-1/live-html
So now this requirement is decoupled from your editor.
sinewyshadow@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 5d
I read that Emacs does have live preview, but that could be wrong. I'm not advanced enough yet to use Emacs, but maybe someday I will be!
somegeek@programming.dev · 1 pts · 5d
Emacs has basically everything. If you are willing to set it up.
Like I said, my suggestion is to not get hung up on the live preview feature and use an external tool for that. This way you can decouple your editor from that specific functionality you need.
geneva_convenience@lemmy.ml · 8 pts · 6d
Who cares if it supports AI if it doesn't ship with it by default?
boonhet@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 6d
Most ship with it by default now, but the good ones make it really easy to opt in or fully out (which one it is exactly differs by editors)
DrunkAnRoot@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 7d
Neovim so many plugins and customization you can look st chadvim or lazyvim plugins for it
sudoer777@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 6d
Helix is the least complex terminal editor in that it's easy to configure and doesn't try to outsmart you like most of the graphical ones. Neovim and Emacs are also good choices with comprehensive plugin support.
stsquad@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 7d
What do you need/use that you find in modern editors that you can't get in something like Emacs? While there are AI integrations for Emacs they are all optional.
communism@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 7d
Have you tried disabling the AI in Zed? There's a toggle in the settings to disable all AI features. I've disabled the AI and it's actually a really nice, responsive, clean editor. Just one toggle, and it doesn't re-enable itself. The whole "AI-native" marketing really put me off trying it, but it's now become my go-to IDE for when I'm working on a project where I want a more fully-featured IDE than Vim (my go-to for just editing text files eg standalone scripts, small projects).
If you don't want to do that, or if you try it and still don't like Zed, maybe Kate?
vas@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 7d
Which operating system are you on? (Sometimes it's relevant, and you mention notepad++.)
On Linux, I like kate, but IDK if it has live html preview. I use it for Rust and general editing, not for web development admittedly.
BananaTrifleViolin@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
I believe it does have HTML preview when using the document preview plugin and with kparts packages installed. When ive used the preview tool i think you can have a split screen view with one half the file and the other the preview, but ive not tested it with html.
I like Kate myself, its a good editor with support for numerous languages, and a decent session system and a range of plugins.
moonpiedumplings@programming.dev · 5 pts · 7d
Only in electron based editors AFAIK. It requires an integrated browser engine, and electron already is an integrated browser engine so that makes it easy.
INeedMana@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 7d
!emacs@lemmy.ml !emacs@programming.dev
I've been using it for many, many years. C++, Bash, Python, LaTeX, Rust...
The setup and learning can take a bit but once you figure it out, you can move your config file across machines. You can define your own functions, define shortcuts per mode you're in and lots more. Works both in GUI and CL
copygirl@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 7d
Not sure about live HTML preview, but I ended up picking Gram as well, on my search for AI-free software. (By the way, I found open-slopware a good resource for this.) Someone else already mentioned it in this thread, but I wanted to add some context. Gram is a fork of Zed, which is built for and with AI. It is therefore already tainted, if that's something you care about. However, I found the Manifesto neat. (It also has official support for Zig which is what I was looking for specifically at the time.)
Oh and I was also recommended Kate. I haven't gotten to try it, but it could be an alternative worth considering.
umutkzl@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 6d
You can disable AI in Zed
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 6d
sublime editor has never steered me wrong before
Forester@pawb.social · 3 pts · 5d
Nano Vim Vi
victorz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 7d
Helix and Gram. Try em out. Gram even has a Helix bindings mode.
jaypatelani@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 7d
nvi
Zerush@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 6d
I know CherryTree, hirarquical rich text notes and also programming editor (FOSS, GNU GPL), existed long before AI https://github.com/giuspen/cherrytree
IanTwenty@piefed.social · 2 pts · 7d
I'd like to say neovim but if notepad++ is too complicated then neovim definately is. There are 'distributions' that give you a setup ready to go e.g. Lazyvim but you're still going to have to fiddle with it sometimes.
https://www.lazyvim.org/
I don't think Lazyvim has any ai features out of the box.
If you are at all curious the 'Lazyvim for Ambitious Developers' book is a great way in and easy to skim through. Here's the chapter on ai which proves you have to turn it on to enable it:
https://lazyvim-ambitious-devs.phillips.codes/course/chapter-16/
I can't say for sure if the developers of neovim are using ai themselves for the codebase, I suspect they might be as they have made positive statements on it in the past. Love to hear if someone can confirm or not.
AustralianSimon@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 6d
VSCode and Pycharm do it all for me. You can turn all that shit off.
I think I might move to VSCodium, hail libre!
asdfasdfasdf@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
Zed has a simple disable_ai: true config setting which disables everything related to AI.
I have never heard it's complicated from anyone. I use it every day and it's amazing.
sinewyshadow@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 5d
I'm giving Zed another shot. I like the layout. I'm not sure if it has Live Preview or not, but I'll look into it.
kayazere@feddit.nl · 1 pts · 3d
You should try Gram instead. It is a Zed fork with all the AI and other anti-features removed.
https://gram-editor.com/
Zeddex@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 7d
I don't know about VSCodium specifically since I use VSCode, but it does allow you to disable all AI features. Don't know about telemetry.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7d
I use VSCodium. I happen to like it pretty well, since it supports a niche language I use to mod games. I really like that it disables so many annoying features that Microsoft seems to think essential. But I wouldn't be opposed to switching to a new IDE if it seems more workable.
quiteopposite@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 7d
Bell@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 7d
+1 for pulsar
DieserTypMatthias@lemmy.ml · 0 pts · 5d