That's the part that's criminal about delivery fees not going to the driver. My nephew used to deliver for a pizza place but then switched to Uber Eats after his pizza company outsourced and fired all the drivers.
People place orders and see that they're paying a delivery fee, a service fee, and a higher menu price than ordering in the store and then think that they don't need to tip much (if anything) because surely that money is going to the driver doing the actual work and deliverying the food.
But nope, the driver gets paid very little for taking an order. The tip is the vast majority of their salary. My nephew will show me screenshots of orders that he gets that will be like "drive 10 miles to pickup the order, then 5 miles to picked the second piece of the order, then 10 miles to deliver it - for $2.00."
What's worse is that since companies have figured out they can hide this from consumers and get away with it, they've expanded to stuff like "same day delivery" from retail stores. Customers think "same day delivery" is the equivalent to an item being shipped, so would never consider tipping. But it turns out those services are also going through delivery drivers like Uber Eats, meaning someone will pick up a retail order in their own car and get paid next to nothing without tips (which most people don't even think to pay).
To be fair, typically in America (outside of major cities and certain planned neighborhoods), 4 minutes away implies by car. Even if driving only 20mph (unlikely), the pizza shop would be a minimum 1.3 miles away, which would be more like a 30+ minute walk for a pizza.
On top of that, there's almost no safe walking paths by design. You would likely have to traverse major roads with no sidewalks, crosswalks, or even pedestrian stop lights.
It's an unfortunate design that many are stuck with.
It doesn't occur to most Americans to walk a bit instead of drive.
This is exacerbated by the design of American neighborhoods that discourages walking and encourages driving, which of course becomes a feedback loop where Americans don't walk because their neighborhoods aren't designed for it - or worse - designed against it, and so our neighborhoods are designed for people who don't walk, etc.
don't worry. tons of folks who live in the inner city where it's easily walkable still get delivery from the place 4 blocks away.
or better let, like my neighbors, they get a single coffee delivered from the coffee shop 2 blocks away. because they want to 'spoil' themselves. then they complain about how they can't afford rent and the COL is so high and they are so poor.
and they tell me I'm an privileged ableist asshole when i suggest maybe they could walk to the coffee shop like i do.
because you know, not being a stupid lazy idiot who is terrible with money is a form of ableism, or something now.
btw this is the same neighbor who works a 5 minute walk away, but drives to their workplace everyday and complains about the cost of gas.
also their parents have $100K cars... and they used to mouth off about difficult their life was growing up compared to mine... right.
Yeah, man. The people surviving the horrors are definitely fully to blame for their survival choices related to said horrors, and not the fuckers responsible for said horrors. You got a good eye on you. You're middle management material if I've ever seen it
Your anecdote doesn't change anything I said, nor my opinion.
If anything you biased me against what you're trying to push with your lazy writing style, which is ironic given you criticize what you see as laziness in others.
What lazy? With autocorrect it actually takes loads of effort to get rid of capitalisation.
I'm not commenting on the content of the person's comments, but in terms of writing style I've always shared this person's aversion to capitalisation letters in (my own) casual communications. I don't know why, it's weird. Especially "I" as a personal pronoun. Who tf do I think I am? "i" will suffice for ones modest self.
Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing “I.”
right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here... hmm
maybe because you're one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?
let me do you one better, I'll argue about how I'm the truly lazy and privileged one, because i walk tot he coffee shop, and therefore i am depriving a hard working doordasher of their income and selfish keeping the $5 delivery fee for the $3 coffee for myself, because I horrible no good able-bodied person who is flaunting my privileged by walking to the coffee shop rather ordering delivery. if i truly cared about the plight of the working-class, i'd be ordering as much doordash as possible to make sure my income goes direct to them, or something. blah blah i'm a massive prick because i have a higher income job and work from home and I am stealing that from someone else more deserving because of my skin color and penis, or something.
literally have had this argued at me before, btw. almost always by folks whose parents are multil millionaires, who consider themselves to be struggling proletariat in their hipster job that pays shit, but offering solidarity because they order doordash everyday, and hey you can just call up the bank of mom and dad and ask for $5000 when you can't make rent this month.
because they are mad at me for what i said, and don't have a legit reason to be so, so they make up stupid shit about capitalization and writing style.
when you can't attack the content of what was said, you go after the style.
because we know in debate club, the winning move to is talk about how your fellow debater doesn't dress as well as you, so therefore they are stupid and wrong. and totally avoid staying on topic or responding to their points.
It was cheaper and faster to doordash a restaurant quite literally across the street in college, I tested it a few times when my friends would go to buy food there and mine would come like 10 minutes before they got back. Literally across the street, like a 1 minute walk max.
what's peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver, even if you make less than them.
i think for many people, even who can't really afford food delivery, it's a social flex that 'at least i am not delivering pizzas and i'm the one getting them delivered'.
people love their social hierarchicies based on employment roles.
They probably mean a 4 minute drive, which would be like a 30 minute walk, assuming you can cross the 6-lane monstrosity of a road that the pizza place is on without being smushed by a lifted F-250.
Or half a mile if you have a couple junctions with red lights ahead, like around the block. Anon could've been living in a flat over said pizza joint for all we know. Or they are just a liar, who also have a crush on delivery driver, so they order pizza to see them again.
While there is nutrition value to some bugs, most grasses pass undigested through the human gut. We are not ruminants Also if you leave bugs for a chicken to eat, you can have eggs instead.
It's not possible to live according to the morals of everyone else. They're mutually contradictory with each other for one thing lol. I'm at peace with the idea that other people won't always agree with me.
The state that I lived in there had a tax at restaurants. Each town was allowed to add up to a percent to that. Some did 0%, some 0.5% some 1%. Also, alcohol was taxed at a different rate.
So basically you had no idea what the actual cost for food would be when you ordered.
I don't usually buy premade food in the supermarkets, but when I do - I'm super picky. The thing about them is that even the best meals I can find have too much salt. The ingredients are fine, it's really not hard to get meals that aren't superprocessed for cheap, but the macros are always off.
<2 grams of salt per serving is what I find unusually few in premade meals, and it's still an awful lot compared to what I'm personally adding when I cook.
People who are used to eating that much salt just don't even notice when good is way too salty. I grew up eating whatever processed shit was put in front of me, but after reducing my salt and sugar intake years ago, I'm now acutely sensitive to food when it's too salty or sweet, which is a serious departure from my tastes when I was young
Yeah, it's a bit of a double edged sword. On the one hand, you're less likely to binge on food you find too salty or sweet, but on the other hand, it's harder to find a treat you'll actually enjoy when you do indulge.
very few people i meet cook on a daily basis. almost everyone where i live is doordashing or doing delivery mealboxes or getting pre-made stuff from the grocery store. and constantly complaining how broke they are.
like anytime i go on a date the past few years, and say i like to cook, it's fun. the other person thinks i'm mentally ill or some kind of elitist asshole for saying that.
despite all the rugged individualist propaganda, the anti-intellectualism of our culture hinders anyone from attempting anything new and we act like anyone who does is some kind of wizard or supergenius; like with everything else, we act like cooking a decent meal with flavor is best left to the experts.
you can go on youtube--a platform where thousands of expert chefs are spilling their secrets in an easy to follow, step-by-step manner--and easily learn to cook decent food.
but people don't. just like they don't learn how to do basic tech shit, like install an OS.
systematic problems come from the choices of individuals.
You can't fix a systemic problem by just saying "stop being assholes", you can fix a systemic problem by fixing the systemic issue. For example, increasing rent and lowering wages increases homelessness. Telling people to work harder doesn't decrease homelessness, building rent-controlled housing and increasing minimum wage does.
Weird. I don't have any issues with my food, being an asshole, or lots of other common problems people have.
because i choose not to participate in the stupid shit other people do that makes their lives miserable. eat right, exercise, don't waste your money on stupid shit, and you too, might enjoy life instead of being miserable all the time.
when my rent goes up... I ask for a raise. or change jobs and then usually my company counter-offers.
Entirely locality dependent. Where I live, tax on a $20 tab would be a little under $2. I know there's some municipalities where it'd be as high as $2.40.
So, sure, technically still not $25, but once you need more than a $20 bill, it's not obscene to round up to the nearest $5.
Many Americans don’t have healthy grass if they have grass in the first place. In many places in the US keeping a pristine grass yard requires a shit ton of human intervention, which means fertilizers and a ton of chemicals. Since grass isn’t native to those areas.
because people have no perspective on anything anymore let alone any connection to physical reality.
they just consumer hyperbolic nonsense on the internet and regurgitate it for the likes. and then like... then bring that shit into the real world. which is the scariest part.
and if you like try to converse with them, they just call you names and tell you how offensive you are if you like, cite a GDP PP number. Or they would clap back and be like the 7.5% growth rate in Ethopia last year compared to the USA 2% means ethopia is a economic paradise and americans should immigrate there.
i had several exes who spend $1000 a month on delivery food. and that was 10 years ago. today that would be easily 2-3K a month for the same volume of food.
and if you confront them about it, they tell you to fuck yourself, if you really cared you'd just pay the bill for them and help them, instead of 'attacking and criticizing' them by pointing out if you make 2-3K a month, spending most of your income on food isn't really a smart move.
I mean you can but back in the olden days (the 90's) take away pizza was a treat not dinner every night and before the 90's going out to a restaurant was a treat there was no delivery
He's also 4 minutes away from the pizza shop, just go out and pick it up ya fatty
Things don't have to be that bad. Here in vietnam you can get a bahn mi or soup for 75 cents to 2 dollars, people who make way less than you do eat out every single day and still manage to save money.
The problem isn't that people want to pay someone else to make or deliver food, the problem is that it's all insanely overpriced because capitalism.
Are you a CEO or something? You're so detached from reality. Are all your memories based on sitcoms from 1992? Ya been at a grocery store lately? Seen the prices there? Exactly when do You think delivery was invented?
Nothing to do with that. But You're suggesting that ordering a pizza is wasting money. Well currently a delivered pizza isn't much more expensive than food from the store. You seem unaware of that.
delivered pizza isn’t even as cheap as pickup, which if we go by the OP’s post is over 50% cheaper, let alone the $5 meals at aldi that even I can get in Australia and we have the highest labour costs in the world
they are just your typical chud who grew up w/ money and thinks anyone who had less money than them growing up didn't exist.
and is also totally outraged that they don't have as much spending power as their parents did, instead of appreciative of how good they actually have it compared to most everyone else.
i never had delivery pizza until i was like 25. but what do i know, i was a poor piece of shit most of my entire life, who like had to cook my own food. the horror.
It gets twice as hot as a normal oven in a few minutes and makes amazing pizza. You can buy dough, pizza sauce, and shredded cheese - or make all of these from scratch very easily.
It doesn't take a lot of space. My rough estimate is that it uses the same electricity as cooking pizza in an oven.
If you're spending $25 on pizza then it will quickly pay for itself.
One downside is that it does take some space, so if you're in a really cramped living environment (dorm room, Manhattan apartment) then you might not have room. Also, you may end up eating a lot more pizza than you should...
One of the food delivery apps labeled something “long distance delivery” at five miles. I could walk that. I didn’t, but I certainly didn’t pay someone else to drive it.
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arctanthrope@lemmy.world · 86 pts · 23d
if an 8 minute round trip saves you $15, then you're essentially paying yourself $112.50/hr to be your own delivery driver
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 28 pts · 23d
And yet the delivery driver makes fuckall.
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 23d
That's the part that's criminal about delivery fees not going to the driver. My nephew used to deliver for a pizza place but then switched to Uber Eats after his pizza company outsourced and fired all the drivers.
People place orders and see that they're paying a delivery fee, a service fee, and a higher menu price than ordering in the store and then think that they don't need to tip much (if anything) because surely that money is going to the driver doing the actual work and deliverying the food.
But nope, the driver gets paid very little for taking an order. The tip is the vast majority of their salary. My nephew will show me screenshots of orders that he gets that will be like "drive 10 miles to pickup the order, then 5 miles to picked the second piece of the order, then 10 miles to deliver it - for $2.00."
What's worse is that since companies have figured out they can hide this from consumers and get away with it, they've expanded to stuff like "same day delivery" from retail stores. Customers think "same day delivery" is the equivalent to an item being shipped, so would never consider tipping. But it turns out those services are also going through delivery drivers like Uber Eats, meaning someone will pick up a retail order in their own car and get paid next to nothing without tips (which most people don't even think to pay).
Tipping in lieu of salary is a scam.
Ice@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 23d
Yeah that's some pretty insane cost/benefit for time.
It's one of those things I like doing to encourage myself to do things. "OK so if I do this thing by myself, what am I 'getting paid'?"
...and then I compare that to the number of hours I'd have to work to earn the same amount of money (after taxes).
red_bull_of_juarez@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 23d
That's something my father taught me. Always consider what your time is worth. Invest 2 hours just to save 8 Euro? Not a great deal for most people.
TheFerrango@feddit.it · 81 pts · 23d
Joke’s on OP
nullspace@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 23d
Ordering a personal taxi for your food instead of walking a few blocks is peak American.
abysmalpoptart@lemmy.world · 39 pts · 23d
To be fair, typically in America (outside of major cities and certain planned neighborhoods), 4 minutes away implies by car. Even if driving only 20mph (unlikely), the pizza shop would be a minimum 1.3 miles away, which would be more like a 30+ minute walk for a pizza.
On top of that, there's almost no safe walking paths by design. You would likely have to traverse major roads with no sidewalks, crosswalks, or even pedestrian stop lights.
It's an unfortunate design that many are stuck with.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 23d
Unironically, yes.
It doesn't occur to most Americans to walk a bit instead of drive.
This is exacerbated by the design of American neighborhoods that discourages walking and encourages driving, which of course becomes a feedback loop where Americans don't walk because their neighborhoods aren't designed for it - or worse - designed against it, and so our neighborhoods are designed for people who don't walk, etc.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
don't worry. tons of folks who live in the inner city where it's easily walkable still get delivery from the place 4 blocks away.
or better let, like my neighbors, they get a single coffee delivered from the coffee shop 2 blocks away. because they want to 'spoil' themselves. then they complain about how they can't afford rent and the COL is so high and they are so poor.
and they tell me I'm an privileged ableist asshole when i suggest maybe they could walk to the coffee shop like i do.
because you know, not being a stupid lazy idiot who is terrible with money is a form of ableism, or something now.
btw this is the same neighbor who works a 5 minute walk away, but drives to their workplace everyday and complains about the cost of gas.
also their parents have $100K cars... and they used to mouth off about difficult their life was growing up compared to mine... right.
chuckleslord@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 23d
Yeah, man. The people surviving the horrors are definitely fully to blame for their survival choices related to said horrors, and not the fuckers responsible for said horrors. You got a good eye on you. You're middle management material if I've ever seen it
/s
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 23d
Your anecdote doesn't change anything I said, nor my opinion.
If anything you biased me against what you're trying to push with your lazy writing style, which is ironic given you criticize what you see as laziness in others.
Sadbutdru@sopuli.xyz · 0 pts · 23d
What lazy? With autocorrect it actually takes loads of effort to get rid of capitalisation.
I'm not commenting on the content of the person's comments, but in terms of writing style I've always shared this person's aversion to capitalisation letters in (my own) casual communications. I don't know why, it's weird. Especially "I" as a personal pronoun. Who tf do I think I am? "i" will suffice for ones modest self.
HCSOThrowaway@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
It's just widely-agreed-upon conventions to make the text more readable.
Injecting your personal feelings about how English should be written into everything you write is way more selfish than capitalizing "I."
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 23d
right, so why are you doing that then? almost like you are directly contradicting yourself here... hmm
maybe because you're one of these folks and you are angry at being called out?
let me do you one better, I'll argue about how I'm the truly lazy and privileged one, because i walk tot he coffee shop, and therefore i am depriving a hard working doordasher of their income and selfish keeping the $5 delivery fee for the $3 coffee for myself, because I horrible no good able-bodied person who is flaunting my privileged by walking to the coffee shop rather ordering delivery. if i truly cared about the plight of the working-class, i'd be ordering as much doordash as possible to make sure my income goes direct to them, or something. blah blah i'm a massive prick because i have a higher income job and work from home and I am stealing that from someone else more deserving because of my skin color and penis, or something.
literally have had this argued at me before, btw. almost always by folks whose parents are multil millionaires, who consider themselves to be struggling proletariat in their hipster job that pays shit, but offering solidarity because they order doordash everyday, and hey you can just call up the bank of mom and dad and ask for $5000 when you can't make rent this month.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23d
because they are mad at me for what i said, and don't have a legit reason to be so, so they make up stupid shit about capitalization and writing style.
when you can't attack the content of what was said, you go after the style.
because we know in debate club, the winning move to is talk about how your fellow debater doesn't dress as well as you, so therefore they are stupid and wrong. and totally avoid staying on topic or responding to their points.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 22d
This reeks of "millenials and their avocado toast" energy
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 23d
4 minutes is 2 miles.
AnUnusualRelic@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 23d
You walk at a brisk pace!
lessthanluigi@lemmy.sdf.org · 2 pts · 22d
Walking 30mph
dil@piefed.zip · 4 pts · 23d
It was cheaper and faster to doordash a restaurant quite literally across the street in college, I tested it a few times when my friends would go to buy food there and mine would come like 10 minutes before they got back. Literally across the street, like a 1 minute walk max.
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 22d
That sounds like the before days. These days, they profit the fuck out of us. Kids in college now know no different. Fuck these types of businesses
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
what's peak American is the fact you think you are better than the delivery driver, even if you make less than them.
i think for many people, even who can't really afford food delivery, it's a social flex that 'at least i am not delivering pizzas and i'm the one getting them delivered'.
people love their social hierarchicies based on employment roles.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
I'ma need you to connect the dots for me on this one dawg.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23d
people love to look down on other people. and ordering delivery is one way they get to do that.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
Can you show me the part of the post looking down on the driver and not the person too lazy to walk a few blocks for a pizza?
zedgeist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
He wasn't saying you were wrong or arguing with you. He was adding on to your post.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
Eh
daggermoon@piefed.world · 38 pts · 23d
If it's 4 minutes away why not walk? The fuck?
Zorcron@lemmy.zip · 63 pts · 23d
They probably mean a 4 minute drive, which would be like a 30 minute walk, assuming you can cross the 6-lane monstrosity of a road that the pizza place is on without being smushed by a lifted F-250.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 23d
Or half a mile if you have a couple junctions with red lights ahead, like around the block. Anon could've been living in a flat over said pizza joint for all we know. Or they are just a liar, who also have a crush on delivery driver, so they order pizza to see them again.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
I never had a hot delivery driver.
they should let you pay an extra fee for hot delivery drivers only. would def boost revenue.
Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 23d
While there is nutrition value to some bugs, most grasses pass undigested through the human gut. We are not ruminants Also if you leave bugs for a chicken to eat, you can have eggs instead.
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 6 pts · 23d
Don't mention keeping chickens on Lemmy, you'll get some vegan telling you how unethical it is to have a chicken and eat its eggs
whyNotSquirrel@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 23d
eating bugs isn't vegan neither tho
Bad_Ideas_In_Bulk@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
It's not possible to live according to the morals of everyone else. They're mutually contradictory with each other for one thing lol. I'm at peace with the idea that other people won't always agree with me.
Trampampoline@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 23d
No more than it is to have a pet cat and give away its 6-8 week old children to strangers by force.
alsimoneau@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 23d
sigh
Eggs aren't babies, they're periods.
nsrxn@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -3 pts · 23d
chickens don't menstruate
ryannathans@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 22d
They ovulate, if you want to be technical about it
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 22 pts · 23d
I assume op just burned and extra $5 for fun as part of this whole interaction..
SubArcticTundra@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 23d
Tax.
Rawrosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 23d
Is that not already included in the price in the US? I don't live in the US, this is a genuine question.
iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app · 6 pts · 23d
Tax is not included in listed prices in the USA.
It's infuriating.
The state that I lived in there had a tax at restaurants. Each town was allowed to add up to a percent to that. Some did 0%, some 0.5% some 1%. Also, alcohol was taxed at a different rate.
So basically you had no idea what the actual cost for food would be when you ordered.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
taxes are almost never included in prices in the USA.
they are added on at the time of sale.
we do not have VAT. we have sales taxes. and those sales taxes are different in every city, and sometimes town/state.
and the items that are taxed are also different in every state, and sometimes city/town.
additionally some places have meal taxes, specifically for pre-made and restaurant food.
and many restaurants charge service fees now.
in my city, you would typically pay 7% tax, 2% fee, and 20% tip all added on top of the menu price.
which is why when I get a hamburger and a beer, and it's $30 on the menu, I actually pay $40 or more.
Rawrosaurus@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 23d
That sounds insanely frustrating to deal with.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
it's not if you are used to it.
just like using imperial measurements.
vaionko@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 23d
I think not, even the prices in grocery store don't include VAT. It seems absurd to me
sepiroth154@feddit.nl · 4 pts · 23d
He used coins as extra topping.
Nurse_Robot@lemmy.world · 22 pts · 23d
It's remarkable how much people will complain about delivery fees and refuse to cook themselves, or even go out and buy premade food
ddplf@szmer.info · 3 pts · 23d
I don't usually buy premade food in the supermarkets, but when I do - I'm super picky. The thing about them is that even the best meals I can find have too much salt. The ingredients are fine, it's really not hard to get meals that aren't superprocessed for cheap, but the macros are always off.
<2 grams of salt per serving is what I find unusually few in premade meals, and it's still an awful lot compared to what I'm personally adding when I cook.
protist@retrofed.com · 4 pts · 23d
People who are used to eating that much salt just don't even notice when good is way too salty. I grew up eating whatever processed shit was put in front of me, but after reducing my salt and sugar intake years ago, I'm now acutely sensitive to food when it's too salty or sweet, which is a serious departure from my tastes when I was young
Buddahriffic@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 22d
Yeah, it's a bit of a double edged sword. On the one hand, you're less likely to binge on food you find too salty or sweet, but on the other hand, it's harder to find a treat you'll actually enjoy when you do indulge.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
salt tastes good
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 23d
they are lazy and entitled.
and they think people who cook are assholes.
very few people i meet cook on a daily basis. almost everyone where i live is doordashing or doing delivery mealboxes or getting pre-made stuff from the grocery store. and constantly complaining how broke they are.
like anytime i go on a date the past few years, and say i like to cook, it's fun. the other person thinks i'm mentally ill or some kind of elitist asshole for saying that.
whereitsat@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 23d
has nothing to do with being lazy or entitled.
despite all the rugged individualist propaganda, the anti-intellectualism of our culture hinders anyone from attempting anything new and we act like anyone who does is some kind of wizard or supergenius; like with everything else, we act like cooking a decent meal with flavor is best left to the experts.
you can go on youtube--a platform where thousands of expert chefs are spilling their secrets in an easy to follow, step-by-step manner--and easily learn to cook decent food.
but people don't. just like they don't learn how to do basic tech shit, like install an OS.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
right, everyone is just helpless victims who lack any/all agency for their own choices.
and that isn't a choice they make at all...
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 3 pts · 23d
It's not useful to look at a systemic problem and go "Well obviously those are just dumb bad no good individuals and nothing can be done".
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
systematic problems come from the choices of individuals.
if we all act like assholes being an asshole becomes systematic.
if you want to stop people from being assholes, you've got to start with yourself.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 22d
You can't fix a systemic problem by just saying "stop being assholes", you can fix a systemic problem by fixing the systemic issue. For example, increasing rent and lowering wages increases homelessness. Telling people to work harder doesn't decrease homelessness, building rent-controlled housing and increasing minimum wage does.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 22d
Weird. I don't have any issues with my food, being an asshole, or lots of other common problems people have.
because i choose not to participate in the stupid shit other people do that makes their lives miserable. eat right, exercise, don't waste your money on stupid shit, and you too, might enjoy life instead of being miserable all the time.
when my rent goes up... I ask for a raise. or change jobs and then usually my company counter-offers.
weird how that works!
protist@retrofed.com · 18 pts · 23d
$10 + $7 + $2 or $3 = $19 or $20. Sales tax would be less than a dollar. Anon's unhealthy lifestyle is causing cognitive decline
tmyakal@infosec.pub · 9 pts · 23d
Entirely locality dependent. Where I live, tax on a $20 tab would be a little under $2. I know there's some municipalities where it'd be as high as $2.40.
So, sure, technically still not $25, but once you need more than a $20 bill, it's not obscene to round up to the nearest $5.
protist@retrofed.com · 4 pts · 23d
Where I'm at, I'm pretty sure sales taxes aren't assessed on the fees, only on the product
bequirtle@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23d
you see, the delivery fee is $7, but then you also have to pay $5 in "other fees", whatever that means
Whats_your_reasoning@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
Probably an “online convenience fee,” as if it’s more work to have an order print up at the restaurant than to make someone there take a phone call.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 23d
Many Americans don’t have healthy grass if they have grass in the first place. In many places in the US keeping a pristine grass yard requires a shit ton of human intervention, which means fertilizers and a ton of chemicals. Since grass isn’t native to those areas.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 23d
honestly the way some of you talk about America you make it seem like Ethiopia
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
because people have no perspective on anything anymore let alone any connection to physical reality.
they just consumer hyperbolic nonsense on the internet and regurgitate it for the likes. and then like... then bring that shit into the real world. which is the scariest part.
and if you like try to converse with them, they just call you names and tell you how offensive you are if you like, cite a GDP PP number. Or they would clap back and be like the 7.5% growth rate in Ethopia last year compared to the USA 2% means ethopia is a economic paradise and americans should immigrate there.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 23d
where isn't grass native? are you referring specifically to their lawns? because like, even our deserts here have grass.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
Yeah I mean lawn grass. Most people don’t use native species.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 11 pts · 23d
People in Australia are literally like the OP and then say there's a cost of living crisis unironically
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 15 pts · 23d
Right? If they didn't order 25 dollar avocado toast every day, they'd be able to afford a house by the time they're 70.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 0 pts · 23d
If you weren't spending $25k per year on obscene uber eats take away fee's you could have a deposit in 3-5 years
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 6 pts · 23d
Nobody is spending 25K per year on uber eats pizza.
Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe · 3 pts · 23d
I have a family member doing just that.
So yea, it's out there.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
they are.
i had several exes who spend $1000 a month on delivery food. and that was 10 years ago. today that would be easily 2-3K a month for the same volume of food.
and if you confront them about it, they tell you to fuck yourself, if you really cared you'd just pay the bill for them and help them, instead of 'attacking and criticizing' them by pointing out if you make 2-3K a month, spending most of your income on food isn't really a smart move.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 2 pts · 23d
https://www.statista.com/statistics/185335/median-hourly-earnings-of-wage-and-salary-workers/
according to this the median hourly wage is $20 in 2024, so it would take the median worker 1.25 hours to afford this overpriced pizza
if he picked it up instead of relying on delivery he could get it for $10, which is 30 minutes work
average worker does 8.4 hours of work per day
i think this all might be a bit hyperbolic 😅
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23d
the average working isn't ordering doordash everyday.
it's the person making 100K+ a year working 60 hours+ a week
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 23d
1 person can make dozens of pizzas per hour, the ingredients are cheap. Its extremely abnormal for basic prepared food to be considered a luxury.
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 23d
Well, about that ...
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 4 pts · 23d
Are you ordering 3 pizzas every day?
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 23d
LAWYER! I need my lawyer! I'm under undue pressure!
hOrni@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 23d
How much detached from reality is this guy. Is he a CEO or something?
hOrni@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
Imagine this. People should be able to afford delivery pizza.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 10 pts · 23d
I mean you can but back in the olden days (the 90's) take away pizza was a treat not dinner every night and before the 90's going out to a restaurant was a treat there was no delivery
He's also 4 minutes away from the pizza shop, just go out and pick it up ya fatty
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 23d
Things don't have to be that bad. Here in vietnam you can get a bahn mi or soup for 75 cents to 2 dollars, people who make way less than you do eat out every single day and still manage to save money.
The problem isn't that people want to pay someone else to make or deliver food, the problem is that it's all insanely overpriced because capitalism.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 3 pts · 23d
You think Vietnam has cheap food because it’s not capitalism?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -1 pts · 23d
No, I think prices increase under capitalism as commercial rent increases and effective monopolies are formed.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 23d
Why not just lookup the actual answer instead of guessing badly?
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 0 pts · 23d
Talk to literally any business owner, ask them how much rent is.
hOrni@lemmy.world · -3 pts · 23d
Are you a CEO or something? You're so detached from reality. Are all your memories based on sitcoms from 1992? Ya been at a grocery store lately? Seen the prices there? Exactly when do You think delivery was invented?
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 23d
What does grocery store prices have to do with a fat fuck ordering pizza delivery on uber eats from a pizza shop 4 minutes away?
hOrni@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 23d
Nothing to do with that. But You're suggesting that ordering a pizza is wasting money. Well currently a delivered pizza isn't much more expensive than food from the store. You seem unaware of that.
Eyekaytee@aussie.zone · 5 pts · 23d
lmao get fucked
delivered pizza isn’t even as cheap as pickup, which if we go by the OP’s post is over 50% cheaper, let alone the $5 meals at aldi that even I can get in Australia and we have the highest labour costs in the world
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23d
they are just your typical chud who grew up w/ money and thinks anyone who had less money than them growing up didn't exist.
and is also totally outraged that they don't have as much spending power as their parents did, instead of appreciative of how good they actually have it compared to most everyone else.
i never had delivery pizza until i was like 25. but what do i know, i was a poor piece of shit most of my entire life, who like had to cook my own food. the horror.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 10 pts · 23d
Second anon is an illuminati lizard person shill tryna get people to eat bugs.
moopet@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 22d
This post has literally inspired me to order a pizza for my lunch today rather than open the fridge.
TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 22d
congratulations!
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 7 pts · 23d
Frozen
Pizza
iknewitwhenisawit@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 23d
I don't know if they deliver to the USA, but this electric pizza cooker is amazing:
https://a.aliexpress.com/_EHPM5iA
It gets twice as hot as a normal oven in a few minutes and makes amazing pizza. You can buy dough, pizza sauce, and shredded cheese - or make all of these from scratch very easily.
It doesn't take a lot of space. My rough estimate is that it uses the same electricity as cooking pizza in an oven.
If you're spending $25 on pizza then it will quickly pay for itself.
One downside is that it does take some space, so if you're in a really cramped living environment (dorm room, Manhattan apartment) then you might not have room. Also, you may end up eating a lot more pizza than you should...
altkey@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 23d
no
UltraGiGaGigantic@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 20d
Your body, your choice.
DonkeyStar@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23d
One of the food delivery apps labeled something “long distance delivery” at five miles. I could walk that. I didn’t, but I certainly didn’t pay someone else to drive it.
ddplf@szmer.info · 4 pts · 23d
No wonder if you're living in a metropolitarian area, 5 miles is quite hefty in big cities
Mwa@thelemmy.club · 2 pts · 22d
There are delivery apps the delivery Fee is lower based on how near the restaurant is.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23d
i mean you joke but fried cicadas aren't half bad