2 out of 4 answers are the same, and if we say that 25% is correct then you actually have a much higher chance of selecting the correct one. I’m sure there’s some statistics crap to say it’s not 50%, but if half your random choices are correct then that seems right to me. So now 50% is correct, but it’s only 1 in 4 and the odds go back to 25%. So now it’s 0%, except that that’s ALSO on there so now the correct answer is 25% again. The problem is that ever single time 25% becomes the correct answer you now have a 50% chance to get it right if chosen randomly and it’s wrong all over again.
Yep, that's definitely the thought process the question-asker intended. I'm sidestepping that slightly: if an answer is chosen completely at random then one should be able to completely ignore the text of the question and answer, and roll a four-sided die, leading to 25%. I agree that strategy assumes that there's a single correct answer. And the typical expectation of a multiple choice question is to only have a single correct answer. The question itself says "the answer" not "answer(s)", that's perhaps a partial support of the expectation of a single correct answer. But yes, my assumption that there's only a single correct answer, while reasonable in general, could be considered flawed considering the nature of the question itself.
The text says “the answer” and 25% having two ways to get to it does not mean there are two answers. You can’t just say you’re avoiding assumptions and then make more assumptions that are even more outlandish.
Ultimately, you can’t really side-step how impossible it is to answer it correctly. The answer is to write in “e) fuck off”
Godel showed that self-referential problems like this are impossible to resolve. He proved that the existence of these types of problems mean that math can never completely describe reality as outlined in his incompleteness theorems -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems
as far as i understand, godel's incompleteness doesn't touch reality or ability for math to describe reality. math is very vast and we only need a fraction of it to describe reality right now. whether this description is correct is debatable but not part of godel's proof, which to me only means math can't be "summarized" into a set of "universal" rules. i may be wrong tho, godel's work is a lot to take in
Yes, I described it badly and that description is inaccurate. It is technically about completeness which has a very specific definition. The implication that no formal logic system could describe even itself fully and that was a major blow to modernist “clock-maker’s universe” view of the reality.
Nono, see your chance of picking it at random is 0% because none of the answers are right - but if you pick it intentionally, then it's the correct answer. galaxy brain meme
Which means I’m wrong and has no chance to get it right. All randomly picked answers are wrong. At least that’s how I’m breaking out of the infinite loop. Or there is just a typo…
If you were to pick at random it would be 25% given there are 4 options being. However, that isn’t the same as the question about the question, which you see 25% percent twice meaning you could
Be randomly right twice actually, so the answer to this question about a question is b.) 50%.
25% would normally be the correct answer, but since it's there twice it would be 50%, but since there's only a 1/4 chance if hitting 50%, 50% would be wrong, so it's impossible to pick the right answer, making it 0%, but since there's a 1/4 chance of selecting 0%, that makes it 25%, but 25% is there twice, so it would be 50%, but....
The four answers sum to 100%, so on average each answer has a 25% chance of being right, and 25% is two of the options so you have a 50% chance of picking one of those
25% chance that guessing an answer on a 4 answer question will be true. However, two of the answers say 25%, which is 50% of the possibilities, which now invalidates those answers from being correct. With only answer being correct, it invalidates 50% from being the right answer.
But if the correct answer is 50% and there is only 1/4 chance of choosing that answer at random, you then have a 25% chance of choosing it correctly. So the answer must be 25%, but there is 2/4 chance of choosing that at random so you have a 50% chance of choosing that correctly so the answer is 50%, but there is only a 1/4 chance of...
What the question is asking for, is an answer where the value and the chance of choosing it at random are the same.
None of the answers satisfy that condition, because you have a 50% chance of choosing 25%, a 25% chance of choosing 50% and a 25% chance of choosing 0%.
None of the answers match the chance of choosing it.
The answer is 50% without it being b). There is also test optimization strategy for answering F'd up questions. If 2 options are the same, they can not be intended answer of test maker.
🤔... with poorly written rules it might seem proper to just make up sum shit and your color outside the lines moment might just be the one. Yet IRL rockets explode dams just burst...thermal run away yada yada soooo
The question really is... are all questions really worth solving and what good is math if you are not solving problems. Self awarness is the pursuit of understanding the world we live in and math is a tool to do just that. Maybe the output is just misunderstood.... maybe there is no answer to some problems. The answer is 2
Knowing the answers makes it impossible for random. 0%, but that’s a decision based on fact, not random. Now my brain has melted into a puddle of paradox.
It's math, so if you picked at random from all real numbers then it's 0% chance of being correct. Didn't say picking at random from the choices provided. Keyboard is irrelevant tho.
I think it's actually 0%. Because it's impossible to answer correctly.
But wouldn't that make the answer 25%? Which would make the answer 50%. Which would make the answer 25%. So you get stuck in an infinite loop, except that since that makes it impossible to answer, the paradox collapses, making the true answer 0%.
Only... that would mean there's a 25% chance of guessing it. But that means it's still 0%... sorta?
I feel like this question is more philosophical than mathematical...
so
4/4 == totalChoice_permitted
one_Choice = 1/4
A=25
B=50
C=0
D=25
if one_Choice == one_Choice
then combine
reduce choices by the amount simlair plus one
A==D
combine
3/3 == totalChoice_permitted
one_Choice = 1/3
turn to decimal (one_Choice) x 100 == 33%
1 = AD =25%
2 = B =50%
3 = C =0%
if answer not equal to (one_Choice)
print “the answer is not listed but the answer is in the struggle of answering a question so 0%”
Not C but 0%
Not all odds matter or they do.
It’s a double whammy
or do I got pie on my face?
Is it the percentage or the place holder?
What are the rules?
I would think it would be safe to assume the limits are out of four choices but when two are the same.
like linear or some shit.
Update: I asked my local AI clown clanker and it gave this as a answer
A clever question!
Since the answer is chosen at random, each option has an equal chance of being correct. Therefore, the probability that I will be correct if I pick randomly is:
1/4 = 25%
So, the correct answer is (a) 25%!
So if you are playing Russian roulette with 5 loaded chambers, you can ignore 4 of them because the outcome is the same as one of the other chambers, meaning you have a 50/50 chance of winning. Truly astounding math.
94 Comments
dlsloop@lemmy.zip · 61 pts · 26d
Help, my mind is caught in a paradoxical loop!
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 31 pts · 26d
have you tried turning it off and on again?
jasoman@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 26d
I try not to day drink
01189998819991197253@infosec.pub · 5 pts · 26d
It's always nighttime somewhere
Strider@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
I've had a bit of a tumble.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 26d
Its askimg for a subscription now...
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 26d
Cave Johnson prevails again!
taiyang@lemmy.world · 43 pts · 26d
Ah fuck, there goes my right to vote in Jim Crow South.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 35 pts · 26d
Going with D. It'd be 25% for a normal question, but since it's the second 25% this provides some evidence that I read all the answers.
Soup@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 26d
2 out of 4 answers are the same, and if we say that 25% is correct then you actually have a much higher chance of selecting the correct one. I’m sure there’s some statistics crap to say it’s not 50%, but if half your random choices are correct then that seems right to me. So now 50% is correct, but it’s only 1 in 4 and the odds go back to 25%. So now it’s 0%, except that that’s ALSO on there so now the correct answer is 25% again. The problem is that ever single time 25% becomes the correct answer you now have a 50% chance to get it right if chosen randomly and it’s wrong all over again.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 6 pts · 26d
Yep, that's definitely the thought process the question-asker intended. I'm sidestepping that slightly: if an answer is chosen completely at random then one should be able to completely ignore the text of the question and answer, and roll a four-sided die, leading to 25%. I agree that strategy assumes that there's a single correct answer. And the typical expectation of a multiple choice question is to only have a single correct answer. The question itself says "the answer" not "answer(s)", that's perhaps a partial support of the expectation of a single correct answer. But yes, my assumption that there's only a single correct answer, while reasonable in general, could be considered flawed considering the nature of the question itself.
Soup@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 26d
The text says “the answer” and 25% having two ways to get to it does not mean there are two answers. You can’t just say you’re avoiding assumptions and then make more assumptions that are even more outlandish.
Ultimately, you can’t really side-step how impossible it is to answer it correctly. The answer is to write in “e) fuck off”
xylogx@lemmy.world · 26 pts · 26d
Godel showed that self-referential problems like this are impossible to resolve. He proved that the existence of these types of problems mean that math can never completely describe reality as outlined in his incompleteness theorems -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del's_incompleteness_theorems
This is one of the drivers of post-modernist thinking. Douglas Hofstadter talks a lot about this and the nature of consciousness in his famous book Gödel, Escher, Bach -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/G%C3%B6del%2C_Escher%2C_Bach
iltg@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 25d
as far as i understand, godel's incompleteness doesn't touch reality or ability for math to describe reality. math is very vast and we only need a fraction of it to describe reality right now. whether this description is correct is debatable but not part of godel's proof, which to me only means math can't be "summarized" into a set of "universal" rules. i may be wrong tho, godel's work is a lot to take in
xylogx@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 25d
Yes, I described it badly and that description is inaccurate. It is technically about completeness which has a very specific definition. The implication that no formal logic system could describe even itself fully and that was a major blow to modernist “clock-maker’s universe” view of the reality.
MoonManKipper@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 26d
C) none of the possible answers is correct if picked randomly so you have 0% chance to get it right
PrimeErective@startrek.website · 34 pts · 26d
That makes 0% the correct answer, which means you had a 25% chance...
Warl0k3@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 26d
Nono, see your chance of picking it at random is 0% because none of the answers are right - but if you pick it intentionally, then it's the correct answer. galaxy brain meme
novibe@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 26d
That’s the actual answer tho lol
MoonManKipper@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 26d
Which means I’m wrong and has no chance to get it right. All randomly picked answers are wrong. At least that’s how I’m breaking out of the infinite loop. Or there is just a typo…
starik@lemmy.today · 2 pts · 25d
But if c is right, then c is wrong.
Kalothar@lemmy.ca · 11 pts · 26d
If you were to pick at random it would be 25% given there are 4 options being. However, that isn’t the same as the question about the question, which you see 25% percent twice meaning you could Be randomly right twice actually, so the answer to this question about a question is b.) 50%.
whatsisface@sh.itjust.works · 15 pts · 26d
No, because if you choose randomly there's only a 25% chance of choosing B.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 26d
But if your answer is 25% there is a 50% chance of randomly getiing it right.
G.E.B.
lemonhead2@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 26d
if the correct answer is b or c, you would be right a quarter of the time
if the correct answer is a or d you would be right half the time.
athere are 3 correct answers. assuming the correct answer is chosen at random, you would be right 1/3x1/2 + 2/3x1/4 = 1/3 of the time
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
Rules don't matter anything goes. It is not what they say that matters but what they don't
Buage_@piefed.social · 10 pts · 26d
Around 33%?
Archimedes@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 26d
There's a 50% chance of choosing 25%, but 25% might not be the correct answer. So I'm going 0% because it fits all of my previous life choices.
chiliedogg@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 26d
25% would normally be the correct answer, but since it's there twice it would be 50%, but since there's only a 1/4 chance if hitting 50%, 50% would be wrong, so it's impossible to pick the right answer, making it 0%, but since there's a 1/4 chance of selecting 0%, that makes it 25%, but 25% is there twice, so it would be 50%, but....
ThePowerOfGeek@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 26d
No time to think about it! C!
eurodyne@piefed.world · 8 pts · 26d
lol
CanIFishHere@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 26d
Classical paradox question. There is no correct answer.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 6 pts · 26d
33.3333333333333333333333333333333....
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 25d
If we lived in a world that was allowed to make sense.
YiddishMcSquidish@lemmy.today · 5 pts · 26d
If this wasn't an extra credit question the correct answer is to drop the class.
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 25d
🤣
🦆 this useless 💩
gandalf_der_13te@feddit.org · 5 pts · 26d
i would just pick an answer at random
CelloMike@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 26d
B
The four answers sum to 100%, so on average each answer has a 25% chance of being right, and 25% is two of the options so you have a 50% chance of picking one of those
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 16 pts · 26d
But two of those answers are the same, which reduces the number of possibilities to 3, and 33.3% isn't an option.
magnetosphere@fedia.io · 3 pts · 26d
That’s what’s messing with me, too. I am by no means a math genius, but that’s where I get stuck.
Tja@programming.dev · 3 pts · 26d
It doesn't reduce the numbet of possibilities. If you had 9999 true and 1 false, the chances are not 50/50
Dettweiler42@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 26d
25% chance that guessing an answer on a 4 answer question will be true. However, two of the answers say 25%, which is 50% of the possibilities, which now invalidates those answers from being correct. With only answer being correct, it invalidates 50% from being the right answer.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 26d
Zwiebel@feddit.org · 14 pts · 26d
But if 50% is the right answer then you only have a 25% chance of picking that one
ergonomic_importer@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 26d
But if the correct answer is 50% and there is only 1/4 chance of choosing that answer at random, you then have a 25% chance of choosing it correctly. So the answer must be 25%, but there is 2/4 chance of choosing that at random so you have a 50% chance of choosing that correctly so the answer is 50%, but there is only a 1/4 chance of...
wintermute@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 26d
What the question is asking for, is an answer where the value and the chance of choosing it at random are the same.
None of the answers satisfy that condition, because you have a 50% chance of choosing 25%, a 25% chance of choosing 50% and a 25% chance of choosing 0%.
None of the answers match the chance of choosing it.
CelloMike@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
Yeah you're right - I presupposed there was a right answer and worked backwards
Redfox8@mander.xyz · 5 pts · 26d
So what you do is, ignore the supposed answers and and write 25% next to them.
Problem solved!
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
I'm going to write and circle "e) 20%".
Redfox8@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 25d
Cunning, that'll work too!
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 26d
e) 20%
Neverclear@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 25d
The question is both self-aware and mutated. We have to burn it with fire before it learns to replicate.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 26d
Oh fuck.
MajorasTerribleFate@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 25d
My response when I saw this again a week or two ago was "the answer is 0%, but only if you don't pick it."
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 25d
NULL
humanspiral@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 26d
The answer is 50% without it being b). There is also test optimization strategy for answering F'd up questions. If 2 options are the same, they can not be intended answer of test maker.
theham@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 26d
depending on the rules
theham@lemmy.wtf · 3 pts · 26d
a == d
a + d = b
c = burn it down
imvii@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 25d
I'm writing in
e) All or none of the above.
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
or 100%
wHaTs tHe DaTa tYpe? 😤
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
🤔... with poorly written rules it might seem proper to just make up sum shit and your color outside the lines moment might just be the one. Yet IRL rockets explode dams just burst...thermal run away yada yada soooo
InnerScientist@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 26d
Gentlemen, there's a solution here you're not seeing
Vandals_handle@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
The struggle is real
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 25d
Math with no rules is a pattern. Math with rules is useful. Bouncing back and forth might refine the process?
wreckedcarzz@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
Remember The Name - Fort Minor
danc4498@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
Quantumtative Ability
homesweethomeMrL@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
Bro. Math tests aren't real, bro.
nullspace@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 26d
C because all the answers are wrong.
davidgro@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 26d
But that would make C a correct answer. Which would make A and D correct answers...
communist@lemmy.frozeninferno.xyz · 2 pts · 26d
It can't be 25% since they appear twice, since that's disqualified it is between 50% and 0, and it isn't 0.
postmateDumbass@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 26d
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 26d
But it has to be 0%, because it's impossible to answer correctly, collapsing the paradox
grubberfly@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 26d
32 questions like this one.
baltakatei@sopuli.xyz · 2 pts · 25d
A. I'll go with A. Huh, that was easy.
abc@suppo.fi · 1 pts · 25d
Wrong. Correct answer is D.
bampop@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 25d
Any answer is correct as long as you don't pick it at random
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 25d
The question really is... are all questions really worth solving and what good is math if you are not solving problems. Self awarness is the pursuit of understanding the world we live in and math is a tool to do just that. Maybe the output is just misunderstood.... maybe there is no answer to some problems. The answer is 2
LapGoat@pawb.social · 1 pts · 25d
if you were to pick randomly, the correct answer would change something you didnt pick.
meaning the chances of a random selection picking the correct answer is zero.
since your answer is not a random selection, you can input the answer as C.
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 25d
FINE! Post modernism in the chat like bla bla bla but greed is good and we were born in its shaddow. The answer is 100%
unabart@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 26d
Knowing the answers makes it impossible for random. 0%, but that’s a decision based on fact, not random. Now my brain has melted into a puddle of paradox.
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
Mathmatical riddles. Kinda like turds that taste like skittles. News flash the people in charge don't know what they are doing.
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 26d
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 25d
Truth is a popularity contest created in a poorly written language. Garbage in garbage out. The answer is 666,666,666 X 10^(3000/3) or all the above
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · -1 pts · 26d
Well if I pick it at random the chances of typing one of those specific char strings into the keyboard is small enough to be effectively 0%
Creative interpretation of the question is a valid test taking method
f314@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 26d
This is a paper test, though… Not sure how your keyboard factors in to that 😅
ShellMonkey@piefed.socdojo.com · 1 pts · 26d
Not paper to me, just a picture of paper. I suppose on paper circling a random small space would be fairly similar results though.
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 25d
The rules are poorly defined. Post modernism in the chat bla bla bla
WalrusDragonOnABike@reddthat.com · 1 pts · 26d
It's math, so if you picked at random from all real numbers then it's 0% chance of being correct. Didn't say picking at random from the choices provided. Keyboard is irrelevant tho.
bedwyr@piefed.ca · -5 pts · 26d
We need to know the question do we not? OP failed here. The question could change the answer.
webghost0101@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 26d
The question is quite clear
“What is the % chance that you can guess the right answer on this multiple choice question”
i just wish we knew the intended answer… assuming this isn’t fake.
wonderingwanderer@sopuli.xyz · 4 pts · 26d
I think it's actually 0%. Because it's impossible to answer correctly.
But wouldn't that make the answer 25%? Which would make the answer 50%. Which would make the answer 25%. So you get stuck in an infinite loop, except that since that makes it impossible to answer, the paradox collapses, making the true answer 0%.
Only... that would mean there's a 25% chance of guessing it. But that means it's still 0%... sorta?
I feel like this question is more philosophical than mathematical...
theham@lemmy.wtf · -5 pts · 26d
Chance == odds
Not C but 0% Not all odds matter or they do. It’s a double whammy
or do I got pie on my face?
Is it the percentage or the place holder?
What are the rules?
I would think it would be safe to assume the limits are out of four choices but when two are the same.
like linear or some shit.
Update: I asked my local AI clown clanker and it gave this as a answer
The olgipity is very sure of A) and not D)
SkyezOpen@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 25d
So if you are playing Russian roulette with 5 loaded chambers, you can ignore 4 of them because the outcome is the same as one of the other chambers, meaning you have a 50/50 chance of winning. Truly astounding math.
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
I need to go and buy two lottery tickets instead of one.
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
The gun is the rule...Confidence... That is the answer
theham@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 26d
the_wizard_of_0Z@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 25d
I down vote the shit out of this and I will leave you with no real output just like this stupid problem. 🤪