Came to say this! Drug addicts need help, not jail. Sure, if they commit a crime police should be involved, but it’s not going to cure their addiction!
Idk. I'm a public bus driver, am in pretty consistent contact with drug users. Not to mention living in amongst them in the poorer areas of tow. I'm not saying we should arrest them and give them lengthy sentences, but just leaving them on the street ain't working out.
I think a mandatory "time out" in a facility is in order. At least long enough to work the drugs out of their system. Maybe then they can try for a better way with a little clearer head.
But some days it feels like I'm living in a post apocalypse mad Max type place. It's bullshit that they're allowed to just trash anyplace they are. There's what's best for them, and there's what's best for the rest of us. There's gotta be something done.
I mean if you want to get specific what I really want is to remind police that doing drugs is illegal and they should focus on busting those people...instead of kids having fun on scooters
Findings: MCDA modelling showed that heroin, crack cocaine, and metamfetamine were the most harmful drugs to individuals (part scores 34, 37, and 32, respectively), whereas alcohol, heroin, and crack cocaine were the most harmful to others (46, 21, and 17, respectively). Overall, alcohol was the most harmful drug (overall harm score 72), with heroin (55) and crack cocaine (54) in second and third places.
riding scooter at 12 seems to be illegal too in vancouver, and people have fun on drugs too, so seems to me both things are pretty much interchangeable in your argument
Busting drug addicts will do ZERO to help the drug and crime problems. Even law enforcers will tell you that.
Those problems are so much more complex, and require fundamental reforms in social policies, mental healthcare, education, youth programmes, city planning etc. And then there's the issue of dealing with the gangs, smugglers and foreign organized syndicates bringing the stuff into the country.
Kids driving recklessly on scooters (which are often modified) are:
A) A danger to themselves
B) A danger to pedestrians they could crash into
C) A serious danger to cars that swerve to avoid them when they go out on the main road.
Putting someone in timeout maybe works for three year olds but it doesn't work for adults even if you hold them there 1000 times longer. Restitution and rehabilitation is a significantly more effective solution and results in much lower recidivism. Only reason to lock someone in a box is if they present a significant danger to the public, and that's not to punish them, but to protect others.
It's almost like drug addicts are still people who deserve to be treated like people. Throwing them in jail and subjecting them to police brutality does not help anyone except the fake numbers game of the police. If you really want to help people with addictions you have to be willing to work with them and treat the problems at the source rather than resort to punitive measures for no reasons.
You get people off drugs by building a society where people aren't being oppressed and used as slaves. Not by putting them in jail and making their life worse.
Kids on the other hand aren't fully mature and don't realize that 'just' 30mph on a scooter can lead to a deadly crash pretty easily
Teach the kids to use a scooter properly, all across asia children ride electrics without incident, but I am constantly hearing how dangerous they are back in America where barely anyone rides scooters.
Yeah, when I think Singapore, I think utopia with no inequality or social pressures. The only thing bad is those pesky druggies that do simply because they're bad people and want to do the bad drugs.
Drug use is a social problem. If I offered you a huge bag of fentanyl for free right now, would you take it? What conditions in your life would make you more likely to accept it? Lets address the things which cause those conditions for other people.
Well, it depends. Do I have to pay for the fentanyl? Because if not, Imma take that bag of drugs to the hospital so they can dispose of it in a safe manner.
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased
And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
There is no justice in punishing people who’ve become addicted, and are just using to satisfy the addiction.
You know who becomes addicted? The kid who runs/drives/rides in front of a car and ends up on major pain meds. Maybe ticketing parents who let their kids do that, without regard for the evidence of its dangers is a good idea after all.
Tell that to the kid in my city who got run over by a semi truck a couple of weeks ago or the dozens per week who are admitted to the ER with scooter and ebike injuries.
Why would drug addicts give up their dealers?
For one, they still need someone to distribute them drugs.
Secondly snitching out dealers is pretty dangerous.
Thirdly, why? What incentive does an addict have? Not to go to prison? That is often a better choice than staying on the streets. In prison at least you have a place to sleep, it's warm and you get food three times a day. I don't know the prison conditions in Canada. But where I live, I'd a hundred percent rather go to prison than stay on the street.
Why not just shoot everyone who ever thought the word "weed" in the head? That'll clearly improve society. Then your kid can finally kickflip their scooter at 30mph and kill an elderly person in peace.
Freedom will always lead to more crime. If we want freedom, we will have to accept crime.
Also just because something is not visible, it does not mean it's not there. China for example appears to have no homelessness, but that is simply untrue. It has a major problem, but makes sure the majority of people and tourists don't get to see it.
Singapur may not in fact have a drug problem, but if that is due to the radical approach of criminilisation or due to broad wealth of most inhabitants cannot be seen from outside.
Also all studies show that harsh punishments are actually detrimental to battling criminal behaviour.
Scooters aren't inherently more dangerous. But people don't take their safety seriously. They don't wear helmets and protection. Resulting in more injuries and TBIs.
Counterpoint: parents should be given tickets for endangering their child's lives by giving them something that can cause death or greivous injury - calling it a "toy" that goes 30+ mph ridden on public roads with no training, license, or obeying traffic signs and signals.
One of these days it's going to be a lawmakers kid that is going to get turned into a meat crayon. Then we might just get some reasonable legislation. I hate that it pretty much has to come down to many children dying for meaningful change to take place.
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Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 133 pts · 1d
Trying to combat drug addiction through policing has been proven ineffective time and time again. You may want to rethink that one.
f314@lemmy.world · 54 pts · 1d
Came to say this! Drug addicts need help, not jail. Sure, if they commit a crime police should be involved, but it’s not going to cure their addiction!
MintyFresh@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 8h
Idk. I'm a public bus driver, am in pretty consistent contact with drug users. Not to mention living in amongst them in the poorer areas of tow. I'm not saying we should arrest them and give them lengthy sentences, but just leaving them on the street ain't working out.
I think a mandatory "time out" in a facility is in order. At least long enough to work the drugs out of their system. Maybe then they can try for a better way with a little clearer head.
But some days it feels like I'm living in a post apocalypse mad Max type place. It's bullshit that they're allowed to just trash anyplace they are. There's what's best for them, and there's what's best for the rest of us. There's gotta be something done.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -71 pts · 1d
Doing drugs is a crime tho.
Bassman27@lemmy.world · 52 pts · 23h
This guy reminds teachers they forgot to give out homework..
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -60 pts · 23h
I mean if you want to get specific what I really want is to remind police that doing drugs is illegal and they should focus on busting those people...instead of kids having fun on scooters
jeena@piefed.jeena.net · 40 pts · 23h
Why is doing drugs illegal?
village604@adultswim.fan · 32 pts · 23h
In the US it's so they can give black people felonies for being black so they can't vote.
That's literally what started the war on drugs. Well, blacks and hippies.
jeena@piefed.jeena.net · 2 pts · 13h
This is also why alcohol, which is a way more harmful drug to others than all of the illegal drugs[1], is legal.
[1] https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/21036393/
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 9 pts · 22h
Because they won't share with me :(
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -37 pts · 23h
Because of the law
lena@gregtech.eu · 29 pts · 22h
"Drugs are illegal because drugs are illegal"
jeena@piefed.jeena.net · 3 pts · 13h
It seems you're stuck on Step 4 in Kohlberg’s Stages of Moral Development:
Do you mind me asking how old you are?
edit: never mind it says it in the meme you created.
the_tab_key@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 23h
Kids having fun on scooters doing illegal things.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -30 pts · 23h
One is a felony the other a misdemeanor
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 22h
Fun fact: Vancouver is in Canada, and in Canada there's no such thing as a felony or a misdemeanor.
Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr · 21 pts · 23h
riding scooter at 12 seems to be illegal too in vancouver, and people have fun on drugs too, so seems to me both things are pretty much interchangeable in your argument
mastertigurius@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 20h
Busting drug addicts will do ZERO to help the drug and crime problems. Even law enforcers will tell you that.
Those problems are so much more complex, and require fundamental reforms in social policies, mental healthcare, education, youth programmes, city planning etc. And then there's the issue of dealing with the gangs, smugglers and foreign organized syndicates bringing the stuff into the country.
Kids driving recklessly on scooters (which are often modified) are:
A) A danger to themselves
B) A danger to pedestrians they could crash into
C) A serious danger to cars that swerve to avoid them when they go out on the main road.
HerbalGamer@sh.itjust.works · 21 pts · 23h
Being this stupid should be illegal.
finalarbiter@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 23h
So was giving shelter to undesirables in Nazi Germany. Laws are not inherently moral.
surewhynotlem@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 23h
So is what the kids are doing. So...?
elflakoinri@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 23h
No is not
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -21 pts · 23h
The temporary decriminalization of doing drugs in British Columbia expired in January 2026
So doing illicit drugs like crack or fentanyl on the streets is currently illegal again.
elflakoinri@fedinsfw.app · 5 pts · 23h
Again i said NO IS NOT
Lumelore@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 19h
Putting someone in timeout maybe works for three year olds but it doesn't work for adults even if you hold them there 1000 times longer. Restitution and rehabilitation is a significantly more effective solution and results in much lower recidivism. Only reason to lock someone in a box is if they present a significant danger to the public, and that's not to punish them, but to protect others.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 1d
Also the cops handing out traffic tickets, and the cops doing narcotics investigations are different people.
trebach@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 18h
This isn't new either. A song was written about it 25 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4L20t8Dvlg
mEEGal@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
love me some oldschool SOAD songs
NoForwadSlashS@piefed.social · 2 pts · 19h
I read it as they are both bad things the police enjoys, but seeing OPs comments I don't think that was the intent.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -60 pts · 1d
If you arrest the users they'll give up the dealers
That's policing 101
chunk6235@piefed.social · 52 pts · 1d
FTFY
Treat it like the public health issue it is, not something to involve the judicial/carceral systems
FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world · 32 pts · 23h
You're stupid
I want you to know that, but I want you to feel it, where it really counts
You're a shitty person because of your stupidity
You could just be stupid, but you're that awful combination of stupid and shitty
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 21 pts · 23h
Arresting drug addicts in the war on drugs is part of how the US ended up with 25% of the world's prison population. End result? Same amount of drugs.
Criminalizing drug use does literally nothing except lead to the death of democracy.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 23h
Your percentage is off.
Recent sources put US prison population at ~2 million, with about that much under other supervision conditions.
US population is at ~342.75 million people.
rockSlayer@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 5 pts · 23h
Good call, got some wires crossed. The US contributes to 25% of the entire global prison population
DScratch@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
And is ineffective. Didn’t you watch The Wire?
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -32 pts · 23h
No I watched breaking bad
They went after the one drug user (badger) and eventually it led all the way up to the Heisenberg guy
dektep@lemmy.world · 17 pts · 23h
dumbest comments I’ve seen all day are all from you
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23h
I was just thinking the same thing.
The farther down this thread I go the dumber they get
ApathyTree@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 20h
I’ve had this user tagged as “anti-science troll” for ages.
Last time was from just a comment chain under a post but it was just as bad as this whole thing.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -25 pts · 23h
I'm just amazed how many people are on the side of the drug addicts
sharkteethsandwich@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 22h
It's almost like drug addicts are still people who deserve to be treated like people. Throwing them in jail and subjecting them to police brutality does not help anyone except the fake numbers game of the police. If you really want to help people with addictions you have to be willing to work with them and treat the problems at the source rather than resort to punitive measures for no reasons.
remon@ani.social · 11 pts · 23h
I'm amazed there is still people that think prohibition works.
dektep@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 23h
addicts need help not prison
DScratch@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 23h
Do you not remember his name?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 23h
Say my name
DScratch@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 21h
Mr. White?
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 21h
SCIENCE! YEAH!
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -11 pts · 23h
Ya Heisenberg
marcos@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h
That widely known to not work that way.
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
Ok bootlicker
eestileib@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 18h
No no no. This is just building a prison pipeline.
elflakoinri@fedinsfw.app · 1 pts · 1d
Fishnoodle@lemmy.world · 49 pts · 23h
You get people off drugs by building a society where people aren't being oppressed and used as slaves. Not by putting them in jail and making their life worse.
Kids on the other hand aren't fully mature and don't realize that 'just' 30mph on a scooter can lead to a deadly crash pretty easily
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 14 pts · 23h
Teach the kids to use a scooter properly, all across asia children ride electrics without incident, but I am constantly hearing how dangerous they are back in America where barely anyone rides scooters.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -29 pts · 23h
Is that how Singapore got rid of their drug problems?
Phil_in_here@lemmy.ca · 17 pts · 22h
Yeah, when I think Singapore, I think utopia with no inequality or social pressures. The only thing bad is those pesky druggies that do simply because they're bad people and want to do the bad drugs.
kugel7c@feddit.org · 10 pts · 21h
There are no drugs in bar sing se obviously.
ikidd@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 22h
Probably by caning them to death when they spit their gum on the ground.
kugel7c@feddit.org · -1 pts · 21h
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · 34 pts · 21h
Both are stupid.
hpx9140@fedia.io · 5 pts · 20h
Thats what makes this an A tier shitpost.
I'm willing to concede I have it wrong but I wouldn't take it seriously. Just Karmanopoly goofing around with quality bait.
alexquiniou@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 14h
Indeed, very good stuff. Make my blood boil.
lukstru@piefed.social · 19 pts · 1d
Dont fight drug use, fight drug distribution and the root problems why people are on the street taking drugs
Swemg@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Follow the money
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 23h
Drug use is a social problem. If I offered you a huge bag of fentanyl for free right now, would you take it? What conditions in your life would make you more likely to accept it? Lets address the things which cause those conditions for other people.
Swemg@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 23h
It sure is a problem but not in any way can it be solved by the police.
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 23h
Well, it depends. Do I have to pay for the fentanyl? Because if not, Imma take that bag of drugs to the hospital so they can dispose of it in a safe manner.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -19 pts · 23h
If you have a bag of fentanyl to give out then putting you in jail solves the problem in my view
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 22h
You missed the point of the question entirely. Are you just playing dumb here?
noxypaws@pawb.social · 18 pts · 17h
All research and successful drug policy shows that treatment should be increased And law enforcement decreased while abolishing mandatory minimum sentences
JoMiran@lemmy.ml · 16 pts · 1d
OP, did a cop give you a ticket for riding a scooter?
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 1d
No they gave a 12 yr old a ticket... Well actually hey gave it to his father
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 15 pts · 23h
Maybe they shouldn't have been doing something illegal. 🤔
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 23h
Maybe unjust laws shouldn't be obeyed
Grostleton@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 23 pts · 22h
If only you had the brain capacity to notice your own hypocrisy...
liuther9@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
Lol I am shocked. Yall believe he is for real? Guy is troll
running_ragged@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 21h
There is no justice in punishing people who’ve become addicted, and are just using to satisfy the addiction.
You know who becomes addicted? The kid who runs/drives/rides in front of a car and ends up on major pain meds. Maybe ticketing parents who let their kids do that, without regard for the evidence of its dangers is a good idea after all.
cattywampas@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 23h
Tell that to the kid in my city who got run over by a semi truck a couple of weeks ago or the dozens per week who are admitted to the ER with scooter and ebike injuries.
mmcintyre@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 21h
Exactly. Not sure you'll put 2 and two together, tho.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 1 pts · 17h
first good point you've made anywhere in your own post's comments.
MightBeAlpharius@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 23h
Well, sorry they gave your dad a ticket
PattyMcB@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h
Love the username.
We are Alpharius
glasratz@feddit.org · 6 pts · 23h
So they did something good for once: traffic education.
remon@ani.social · 3 pts · 23h
So ... your classmate?
DrBob@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 23h
Remember that time we legalized cannabis and it had literally zero impact on society? Let's do that with the rest of them too.
FuyuhikoDate@feddit.org · 13 pts · 21h
I hate the police like everybody elese, but why huntig addicts? They do nothing except to themself... But a 12yo on a scooter is mostly dangerous.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 15h
Addicts will steal your shit to pay for their drugs
RidderSport@feddit.org · 12 pts · 23h
Why would drug addicts give up their dealers? For one, they still need someone to distribute them drugs. Secondly snitching out dealers is pretty dangerous. Thirdly, why? What incentive does an addict have? Not to go to prison? That is often a better choice than staying on the streets. In prison at least you have a place to sleep, it's warm and you get food three times a day. I don't know the prison conditions in Canada. But where I live, I'd a hundred percent rather go to prison than stay on the street.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -23 pts · 23h
What if it was life in prison?
Places like Singapore don't have drug problems because they deal with it like it should be
toomanypancakes@crazypeople.online · 13 pts · 22h
Why not just shoot everyone who ever thought the word "weed" in the head? That'll clearly improve society. Then your kid can finally kickflip their scooter at 30mph and kill an elderly person in peace.
RidderSport@feddit.org · 7 pts · 21h
Freedom will always lead to more crime. If we want freedom, we will have to accept crime.
Also just because something is not visible, it does not mean it's not there. China for example appears to have no homelessness, but that is simply untrue. It has a major problem, but makes sure the majority of people and tourists don't get to see it. Singapur may not in fact have a drug problem, but if that is due to the radical approach of criminilisation or due to broad wealth of most inhabitants cannot be seen from outside.
Also all studies show that harsh punishments are actually detrimental to battling criminal behaviour.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -1 pts · 15h
Except for Singapore
xyro@morbier.foo · 1 pts · 14h
Punishment in Singapore are hard for drug dealers, not drug addicts.
Singapore separates low-level abusers from traffickers, bringing them to mandatory rehabilitation and supervision centers.
CompactFlax@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 1d
Scooters are more dangerous than bikes or motorbikes.
Steve@communick.news · -3 pts · 23h
Scooters aren't inherently more dangerous. But people don't take their safety seriously. They don't wear helmets and protection. Resulting in more injuries and TBIs.
likebudda@reddthat.com · 9 pts · 19h
Drug problem is a healthcare issue, not a crime issue.
einlander@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 18h
Well if they would fix traffic infrastructure to support bicycles and other alternative transports they would have less of a problem with this.
WereCat@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 22h
Why would they give 12y old tickets? Don’t they have any newer ones?
HikingVet@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 21h
They don't update the forms often. Huge issue with the printer.
Blackfeathr@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 23h
Counterpoint: parents should be given tickets for endangering their child's lives by giving them something that can cause death or greivous injury - calling it a "toy" that goes 30+ mph ridden on public roads with no training, license, or obeying traffic signs and signals.
One of these days it's going to be a lawmakers kid that is going to get turned into a meat crayon. Then we might just get some reasonable legislation. I hate that it pretty much has to come down to many children dying for meaningful change to take place.
Karmanopoly@lemmy.world · -17 pts · 23h
USA reports 11 deaths under 16 and Canada 10
So 21 deaths in what 15 or 20 years these have been around
Probably around 1 per year
How many kids have been killed by drug users or drug dealers... probably more than 1 per Year
USA alone has so many drug related shootings they probably can't even reliably track how many kids get shot
dektep@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 23h
in this case the police are correct
balsoft@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 1d
Rumo161@feddit.org · 2 pts · 4h
This ragebate works like a charm. Ken got a coppycat.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 17h
I wish.
noxypaws@pawb.social · 2 pts · 17h
HazardousBanjo@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4m
I mean, they shouldn't be going after drug addicts either.