Gotta say, IMO this has nothing to do with being a [insert genre] fan at all. It's just about not being a pompous, pretentious asshole. đ Let people like what they like! But I still have my opinions about what level of musicality and interesting aspects there need to be in the music I listen too. Again, the music ->I<- listen to. Other people can definitely listen to bland mainstream garbage if they want to. đ Not all mainstream music is garbage of course, some of it is popular because it's actually good, so not all awesome music is obscure/indie/whatever. đ
Yeah, I mean Megadeth was founded because Dave Mustaine went too hard for Metallica. I imagine your mom has seen some shit. But congrats on Dave being your dad though?
Just looked it up on YouTube and someone in the comments called it "magick metal". I've been out of the metal scene for a while now but I see the tradition of inventing goofy names for subgenres is still going strong lol
FĂTHĂM, the German Satanic Black Metal band, that had members all over the political spectrum, released 4 demos and 1 full album. They all killed each other once they all got too drunk and started to talk about politics instead of satanism, though police reports point to that Holocaust-denying Neonazi bassist, Hans Mann started the first blow, but last-man standing ancap guitarist Kristoffer Johannson also got fatally wounded by the end, and spent more time trying to write "fucking communist scum" with his own blood rather than to get medical attention.
Too bad that the now christian tradwife ex-wife of Mann tries everything in her power to stop these albums from further circulation, because "metal bad".
Interesting to mention also that their triangle player Egon Wurst was decapitated by a halberd during this fight while stabbing Mann with his triangle. They are so controversial that a German court ruled that their merch may not be worn in pre-schools and nursing homes!
Because Ghost is not going crazy with solos, screeching/belching/barking lyrics out, isn't recording their material in some hollowed out and echoed building somewhere. They also aren't catering to lyrics about how it'd be a wonderful day to be devouring some flesh and fucking the eye sockets of a skull. But you wouldn't know that with the vocalist doing said belching/barking/screeching lyrics until you read what the song is about.
So basically, Ghost is not liked because it's not catering to metal edgelords.
If someone tried to call a jazz band classical, I'd be similarly annoyed with them. It's not metal because it doesn't have any of the hallmarks of the genre and doesn't sound like metal. And no, that doesn't mean they're doing something new and groundbreaking. It means they're calling themselves the wrong thing.
Hell, they'll give you this look even when you say you like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and of all bands - Motorhead.
People have particular subgenres of taste, but who the hell decided at one point that we should evaluate what is metal and what isn't?
I have given bands like Cannibal Corpse, Death and sprinkles of other Death/Black metal bands honest tries. To me it's all just noise and the vocalist guarantees me that I will not like them because it's just belching and barking lyrics.
who the hell decided what is metal and what isn't?
I recommend freeing oneself from the chains of genre altogether.
Humans have a tendency to turn descriptive language into prescriptive language. So what started as artists experimenting ends up getting categorized into market demographics that are easier to sell to. Separate communities who, in order to exist at all, need to create rules about who does, and thus who does not, belong. And so what starts as free artistic expression reflects off of the audience and becomes economic and social pressure to conform to these rules. We end up with bands making "metal" music for the sake of being metal, at the cost of true artistic expression.
Is an artist metal? Is an album metal? Is a song metal? Is a particular instrument in a song metal? Is a particular bar played by a particular instrument metal? Is it even about the music, or is it about other things? The clothes, the color schemes, the fonts, the lyrical subject matter, the community? Does any of it actually matter?
Foe me it's the opposite. I absolutely love cannibal corps. I love cannabis corpse even more. I always feel like these bands make tge music tgey really want and not what people want to hear. There is something honest about the music. If you don't like it you fon't like it, obviously. Maiden acdc and megadeth is really boring to me. It's not that it's bad or i don't like it, it's more that i think: i could listen to worm sheppard or job for a cowboy instead. One of my favourite bands is all shall perish, i liked them before ever seeing them live, but when i saw them i truly realised that these are massive music nerds. His vocal range is crazy, because i assumed they had two singers, the bassist and guitarist seem incredibly talented, and i think they could be really successful doing "good music" but that's what they do and enjoy and i appreciate that a lot.
Thereâs a movement within black metal that calls itself âNational Socialist Black Metalâ (NSBM). Itâs what happens when any group of dickheads insert themselves into an existing scene or genre. Similar thing happened to skinhead punks in England in the 80s.
Some times it boils down to hereâs a black metal band comprised solely of neo-Nazis and while they sing songs about trolls and despair they also do Nazi shit in their spare time. This only fuels the assertion you made earlier because a lot of times you canât even tell they are NSBM from the music, you have to have read an interview, listened to their stage banter, or looked up a list of known NSBM-adjacent bands.
A friend once pointed out you can replace the words of any country song with "dingle dangle doo" and it works just as well as the original. It's how I cope when Achy Breaky is inflicted.
The dangle rolls
and the dingle strikes
another dingle dangle doo
on a dingle doodle diiiiing
as the dingle doodle doOooo
dangle dingle ding
dingle dangle heart
the dangle rolls
92 Comments
PineRune@lemmy.world · 55 pts · 1d
True metal fans don't gatekeep music.
victorz@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 1d
Gotta say, IMO this has nothing to do with being a [insert genre] fan at all. It's just about not being a pompous, pretentious asshole. đ Let people like what they like! But I still have my opinions about what level of musicality and interesting aspects there need to be in the music I listen too. Again, the music ->I<- listen to. Other people can definitely listen to bland mainstream garbage if they want to. đ Not all mainstream music is garbage of course, some of it is popular because it's actually good, so not all awesome music is obscure/indie/whatever. đ
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 1 pts · 9h
True metal fans just keep spinning
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 37 pts · 1d
Love me some Megadeth
https://theonion.com/humanity-still-producing-new-art-as-though-megadeth-s-1819578062/
deft@lemmy.wtf · 10 pts · 20h
My mom partied with Megadeth. I should get a DNA test..
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 16h
Yeah, I mean Megadeth was founded because Dave Mustaine went too hard for Metallica. I imagine your mom has seen some shit. But congrats on Dave being your dad though?
lolrightythen@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5OML1etWb0
Care to weigh in on this take?
jballs@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 17h
I've never heard that before! That was dope!
fartographer@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 17h
Just like the Pied Piper
Valsa@mander.xyz · 24 pts · 1d
90s demo tapes hit different though. The crustiness really enhances the overall atmosphere of certain genres.
Ysigim - Ain Soph Or (1994) is a personal favorite. They did a digital rerelease recently and it's too clean, I don't like it.
DoubleDongle@lemmy.world · 29 pts · 1d
Guys, I think I found the guy in the meme
Valsa@mander.xyz · 13 pts · 1d
Yes and I will judge anyone who doesn't recommend me their favorite demo tape
5ibelius9insterberg@feddit.org · 6 pts · 1d
https://www.metal-archives.com/albums/Majak/The_Claws_of_the_Red_Crown/1099606 Not my favourite music, but the tape came with a dead wasp wrapped in a little piece of paper. đ Also itâs limited to 60 copies.
Valsa@mander.xyz · 10 pts · 1d
Just looked it up on YouTube and someone in the comments called it "magick metal". I've been out of the metal scene for a while now but I see the tradition of inventing goofy names for subgenres is still going strong lol
db2@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
inb4 Taylor Swift
Aedaz_@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 1d
Taylor swift is way too heavy for me. I respect people who like her but the wiggles are about as heavy as I go
db2@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 1d
Thunderbird4@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
The Wiggles?
Too heavy for me.
crank0271@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Too late
Sylence@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 5h
Here are a couple of my favs:
Labotomized@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I appreciate the recommendation. Iâve found some new music to listen to!
dingleberrylover@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 20h
Absolutely! There are many remasters nowadays, which always feel too clean to me, too.
My personal recommendation: Tyrant - Rise of the Fallen (1998)
Valsa@mander.xyz · 2 pts · 12h
Very nice, thanks. Love the sound of the cymbals.
Aedaz_@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 9h
Some blackened doom vibes here. Like some old school Bell Witch.
Ludrol@szmer.info · 22 pts · 20h
My disappointment is immeasurable and the day is ruined
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 18h
Make it happen then yourself.They're just that underground, posers like you cannot fathom it!
Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 16h
Aha, a fellow FĂTHĂM fan.
ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 12h
FĂTHĂM, the German Satanic Black Metal band, that had members all over the political spectrum, released 4 demos and 1 full album. They all killed each other once they all got too drunk and started to talk about politics instead of satanism, though police reports point to that Holocaust-denying Neonazi bassist, Hans Mann started the first blow, but last-man standing ancap guitarist Kristoffer Johannson also got fatally wounded by the end, and spent more time trying to write "fucking communist scum" with his own blood rather than to get medical attention.
Too bad that the now christian tradwife ex-wife of Mann tries everything in her power to stop these albums from further circulation, because "metal bad".
crashex@crazypeople.online · 3 pts · 11h
Interesting to mention also that their triangle player Egon Wurst was decapitated by a halberd during this fight while stabbing Mann with his triangle. They are so controversial that a German court ruled that their merch may not be worn in pre-schools and nursing homes!
crazycraw@crazypeople.online · 11 pts · 1d
FELLOW ĂLGINAUGHT REPORTING INWARD AND OUTWARD
/weird salute thing with my balls
mrsemi@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
My favorite metal band is Ghost
Don't ratio me
criss_cross@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 1d
I love my unpronounceable black metal bands and OSDM bands.
I also loved going to the Volbeat /Ghost concert a few years back. Variety is fun.
aldhissla@piefed.world · 6 pts · 1d
Hol' up. Volbeat is playing concerts with their one single song?
zod000@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 17h
lmao
aldhissla@piefed.world · -1 pts · 9h
That's the one! Just gotta stretch those vocals out for a second or ten...
PapaStevesy@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 4h
Why listen to Ghost when Trans-Siberian Orchestra already exists?
SinningStromgald@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Love Ghost! Not my favorite, which is probably Gloryhammer, but still top five.
Why is iGhost disliked by metal fans?
Leviathan@fedinsfw.app · 6 pts · 23h
You can like what you like, I just don't think Ghost is Metal.
kettuli@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 1d
Itâs hardly even metal if you look at it from atop some grindcore mountain.
decolo@piefed.social · 3 pts · 23h
Let's be real, its pop rock, but that doesn't make it less fun to listen to
Aqarius@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 16h
It's not even disliked, it's just a running gag that Ghost's subgenre is "Scooby Doo chase music"
rabber@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 6h
It's not disliked it's just not a metal band
Toasticus@piefed.social · -4 pts · 23h
Because Ghost is not going crazy with solos, screeching/belching/barking lyrics out, isn't recording their material in some hollowed out and echoed building somewhere. They also aren't catering to lyrics about how it'd be a wonderful day to be devouring some flesh and fucking the eye sockets of a skull. But you wouldn't know that with the vocalist doing said belching/barking/screeching lyrics until you read what the song is about.
So basically, Ghost is not liked because it's not catering to metal edgelords.
The downvotes prove me right. :)
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social · 2 pts · 15h
If someone tried to call a jazz band classical, I'd be similarly annoyed with them. It's not metal because it doesn't have any of the hallmarks of the genre and doesn't sound like metal. And no, that doesn't mean they're doing something new and groundbreaking. It means they're calling themselves the wrong thing.
nightlily@leminal.space · 2 pts · 9h
Thatâs as bad a take as the genre elitists.
PabloSexcrowbar@piefed.social · 1 pts · 4h
Yeah this guy is either a troll or an idiot.
mrsemi@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 19h
https://youtu.be/0PakoE1eBps
Zacryon@feddit.org · 10 pts · 23h
"who who"
Toasticus@piefed.social · 9 pts · 23h
Hell, they'll give you this look even when you say you like Iron Maiden, Judas Priest and of all bands - Motorhead.
People have particular subgenres of taste, but who the hell decided at one point that we should evaluate what is metal and what isn't?
I have given bands like Cannibal Corpse, Death and sprinkles of other Death/Black metal bands honest tries. To me it's all just noise and the vocalist guarantees me that I will not like them because it's just belching and barking lyrics.
paultimate14@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17h
I recommend freeing oneself from the chains of genre altogether.
Humans have a tendency to turn descriptive language into prescriptive language. So what started as artists experimenting ends up getting categorized into market demographics that are easier to sell to. Separate communities who, in order to exist at all, need to create rules about who does, and thus who does not, belong. And so what starts as free artistic expression reflects off of the audience and becomes economic and social pressure to conform to these rules. We end up with bands making "metal" music for the sake of being metal, at the cost of true artistic expression.
Is an artist metal? Is an album metal? Is a song metal? Is a particular instrument in a song metal? Is a particular bar played by a particular instrument metal? Is it even about the music, or is it about other things? The clothes, the color schemes, the fonts, the lyrical subject matter, the community? Does any of it actually matter?
zo0@programming.dev · 7 pts · 16h
It's only metal if I like it, anything heavier is just noise, anything softer is poser
crashex@crazypeople.online · 3 pts · 11h
Thank you, this needed saying! It would be nice if we could return to just playing music without worrying at all what genre it is.
FatVegan@leminal.space · 6 pts · 22h
Foe me it's the opposite. I absolutely love cannibal corps. I love cannabis corpse even more. I always feel like these bands make tge music tgey really want and not what people want to hear. There is something honest about the music. If you don't like it you fon't like it, obviously. Maiden acdc and megadeth is really boring to me. It's not that it's bad or i don't like it, it's more that i think: i could listen to worm sheppard or job for a cowboy instead. One of my favourite bands is all shall perish, i liked them before ever seeing them live, but when i saw them i truly realised that these are massive music nerds. His vocal range is crazy, because i assumed they had two singers, the bassist and guitarist seem incredibly talented, and i think they could be really successful doing "good music" but that's what they do and enjoy and i appreciate that a lot.
finallymadeanaccount@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 17h
What ... what ... what possible problem can anybody have with Motorhead?!
Nouvellalia@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17h
Maybe jealousy? They cracked the mold when they popped Lemmyđ° out. Now the metals are left with only like 2-3 to choose from.
Lodespawn@aussie.zone · 7 pts · 1d
They just look like sad Kiss fans ..
FishFace@piefed.social · 6 pts · 20h
Are these guys juggalos?
flee
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · -5 pts · 18h
I think it's worse : Black (aka racist) metal
Aedaz_@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 14h
Most black metal is not racist.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 11h
Good to know. I heard it was :/ i guess a lot of it must be, or it has a history of racism or something
derfunkatron@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 11h
Thereâs a movement within black metal that calls itself âNational Socialist Black Metalâ (NSBM). Itâs what happens when any group of dickheads insert themselves into an existing scene or genre. Similar thing happened to skinhead punks in England in the 80s.
Some times it boils down to hereâs a black metal band comprised solely of neo-Nazis and while they sing songs about trolls and despair they also do Nazi shit in their spare time. This only fuels the assertion you made earlier because a lot of times you canât even tell they are NSBM from the music, you have to have read an interview, listened to their stage banter, or looked up a list of known NSBM-adjacent bands.
sem@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 10h
Thank you for taking the time to explain this -- I'm learning there is a lot more to it than i thought.
rabber@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 6h
Why bother speaking on a topic that you know nothing about
Look up fire in the mountains fest, literally the most left wing music festival in north america
J3N5T4R@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 17h
As long as its not fash trash or country achy breaky farts i'll listen.
atx_aquarian@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 13h
A friend once pointed out you can replace the words of any country song with "dingle dangle doo" and it works just as well as the original. It's how I cope when Achy Breaky is inflicted.
Here are my new words.
derfunkatron@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 11h
I gave it a go with âChattahoocheeâ by Alan Jackson:
And âThunder Rollsâ by Garth Brooks:
realitista@lemmus.org · 6 pts · 19h
I just went and looked up Ulgethroom, so disappointed.
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 18h
Why is Ulgethroom censored?
blackberry28@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 15h
It's not, I might be wrong, but isn't it a polish letter? Here: Ć
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 14h
yes they're mixing languages. Ć/Ć is pronounced as "w" in Polish as W/w is pronounced as "v"
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 7h
stop being so wulgar
ivanafterall@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 9h
Whoa, Ćanguage!
treesquid@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 14h
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 4 pts · 1d
They're Angry Again.
jesusactuallyhateshorses@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 1d
... and again and again, again ...
Sp00kyB00k@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 18h
I like it when people like music. Don't care what it is.
Personally, I am a metalcore, deathcore kind of person. But to each their own.
rabber@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 6h
Nah Deafheaven would never wear corpse paint
pet1t@piefed.social · 2 pts · 21h
TRVE KVLT
CultLeader4Hire@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
lol tell my why I read âmental health fansâ Iâm too tired for this, Iâm going to bed!
inari@piefed.zip · 2 pts · 1d
That's a great metal band name
Almacca@aussie.zone · 1 pts · 1d
NEEEERDS!
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 7h
and they're right to do so
deft@lemmy.wtf · -8 pts · 20h
Let's be real most metal blows. And all your different types of cores is just so you can collect more and claim this growly metal is better than that.
Tool fucking sucks
FrostyTheDoo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 18h
Yeah, well, whatever you like probably sucks too. And worse, I'll say
deft@lemmy.wtf · 1 pts · 16h
Saying Tool sucks is a classic Tool fan joke bro
funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 14h
I think you mean Primus
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 0 pts · 18h
Is Tool even "metal"?
NotASharkInAManSuit@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 17h
No.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 17h
Yeah didn't think so. Probably closer to prog
deft@lemmy.wtf · -1 pts · 16h
Tool is from the 90s when what you'd call metal then is rock today. But most people consider Tool to be a precursor to the modern metal scene.
Also saying Tool sucks is a Tool fan joke.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 15h
Tool isn't metal now, and it wasn't metal then. Metal existed in the 90s and it wasn't Tool.
deft@lemmy.wtf · 2 pts · 14h
It absolutely is lol metal isn't just screaming and blast beats.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 14h
Ya don't say