"Yes! Culture war! That's the priority right now! Look at all those made up enemies we need to fight! Nobody pay attention to the widespread corruption, collapsing standards of living, disastrous foreign policy, open treason with the enemy, stupid wars being declared for no good reason, dismantlement of checks and balances, blatantly illegal actions, complete disregard for the constitution, widespread anti-democratic practices, borderline revolting military, oh yeah and the Epstein files"
The Republicans think so. So, they have people on social media — I've even seen them on Lemmy — trying to convince everyone that the Democrats are no better, so they may as well stay home.
Also, more Americans sit out midterms anyway, when the presidency isn't up for a vote, but the Republicans are extra worried this year and have been out in force.
I’m sure lore will come out. And probably MAGA is losing some small numbers. But are those margins enough to overcome the purging of voter rolls and other literal election fraud? I hope so.
I don't expect more to come out. Election after election, Americans don't go to the polls. You don't need electoral gambits. You just need good, ol' old-timey American sloth.
In the past half century the average percent voting at midterms has been 40% VEP or so. It's been as low as about 35% (2014) and it's been as high as about 50% (2018), but over all, year after year, it dials in to about 40%. And for presidential elections it's been about 58% over the same rough time period, again with some variation here and there, but not by enough to make any meaningful difference.
I see no reason to think that this one will be any different. I would very much like to be surprised and see turnouts in the 80+% VEP range, but I won't. I'll be very surprised if this one exceeds 60%. Or even 50%.
In 2016, he was the only one talking about jobs, in 2024, he was correctly acknowledging that things hadn't improved under Biden. Culture War bullshit is always going to be secondary to paying rent.
The republicans don't actually want to help the working class, but creating a lie that explains what you're experiencing is infinitely more effective than denying the material reality for nearly all americans and telling us better things aren't possible.
I...guess? I mean, your hypothetical kinda doesn't make sense is all. I mean, every single announcement outta this illegitimate administration flat out contradicts reality, and obviously they've convinced people better things aren't possible - until you get rid of the undesirables, of course.
So not really sure what you're trying to say here...
This admin's popularity is in the gutter and they will lose both the midterms and next election.
But if another Biden wins in 2028, maintaining Trump's policies while pretending to be powerless to help the people who voted for him, it guarantees they get knocked out in the midterms and then Trump jr or kegsbreath or some other fascist ghoul wins in 2032.
they’ve convinced people better things aren’t possible - until you get rid of the undesirables, of course.
Correct, thats not a good story, but it matches his base's expectations. It appeals to racists more than "better things aren't possible because the scotus, the parliamentarian, John fetterman, the AG just needs time to button everything up" or whatever horse shit the dems feed their base and expect to be reelected.
I feel like someone needs to bait him into saying the words “final solution”, just so it’s less ambiguous for the 5-10% of voters who are still somehow ambivalent about how all of this is unfolding.
But at the same time, even if it he did say it, I genuinely don’t have a ton of faith that the fucking dipshits would even acknowledge it
If nothing else, the last decade has made it absolutely undeniable to me that there are an absolute shitload of willfully uninformed and intentionally ignorant people in this fucking country, and it’s only getting worse 🫠
Bait him? Just let him talk long enough. “I got a plan, folks. Not gonna name names, but a man, big man, strong man, he came to me, tears in his eyes, he said to me, he said, when are you gonna do something to finally fix this place up? And I told him, I got a winner, I said. A big, beautiful final solution.”
You need to practice. If your state requires paperwork for a carry license, you need to do that. Having the equipment without the skill or comfort using it isn't very helpful.
If It ever crosses your mind that you should be armed, take active steps right now to get armed and prepared.
And yeah, he seems to prioritize that because it encompasses WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE... and those people are stupid af and programmed to follow their designated authority, unfortunately.
That's exactly why this is a favorite political issue now.
Abortion has also been very reliable for decades.
These are "small ticket" issues that aren't financially lucrative, and they'd rather have this argument than discussion of our military invasions, the FED, wages, universal healthcare, and other "big ticket" issues.
First they came for the trans and I did nothing. Then they came for Bessent…
Does Bessent, the “genius” investor that took his startup money from Soros, a “dumocrat” not realize that the MAGA cult he claims to love and support think he is an abomination?
Hopefully he finds out soon, but he’s a piece of shit so I don’t mind if he dies, painfully.
Everything from the heritage foundation and project 2025 actually happens though, and forceful eradication of trans people is a major part of both the HF and P2025 specifically.
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arotrios@lemmy.world · 148 pts · 5d
When someone says they're going to try to kill you, believe them.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 101 pts · 5d
"Yes! Culture war! That's the priority right now! Look at all those made up enemies we need to fight! Nobody pay attention to the widespread corruption, collapsing standards of living, disastrous foreign policy, open treason with the enemy, stupid wars being declared for no good reason, dismantlement of checks and balances, blatantly illegal actions, complete disregard for the constitution, widespread anti-democratic practices, borderline revolting military, oh yeah and the Epstein files"
minorkeys@sh.itjust.works · 34 pts · 5d
It's what his base responds to. He's going to promise the worst of things that appeal to the worst parts of his supporting base to save the midterms.
DaddleDew@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 5d
FOX News ruined the country.
yakko@feddit.uk · 17 pts · 5d
You can connect those dots back a little further, if you try.
"Okay smart guy, so Nixon?"
Yes, but...
"Ah, you're about to mention the southern strategy."
Which happened because?
"Alright, but it's pretty tenuous to attribute the modern rise of fascism to failed reconstruction!"
I wasn't. I was going to attribute it to the existence of slavery in America. The seeds of this destruction were already planted at the beginning.
(Sorry for this writing style, it started as a joke and I couldn't make it properly funny while also making my point.)
nilloc@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 4d
Add in the north being settled by a mix of Christian fundamentalists and tax cheats, and you get whatever we’re calling this now.
Lemmyoutofhere@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 5d
Americans ruined the country.
Sharkticon@lemmy.zip · 7 pts · 5d
Hey remember Murdoch's Australian. That hillbilly Island deserves a little bit of the blame.
WasabiWabbit@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 4d
It’s like the English and the Scot’s. Or the Irish and the Scot’s. Or Scot and other Scot’s. They ruined Scotland!!!!
FE80@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 4d
The consequences of Fox News have been known for decades, still, nothing changes.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outfoxed
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brainwashing_of_My_Dad
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 7 pts · 5d
I'm sure that all those people who sat out the last election will come out and vote in large numbers this time, right?
RIGHT!?
cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 5d
The Republicans think so. So, they have people on social media — I've even seen them on Lemmy — trying to convince everyone that the Democrats are no better, so they may as well stay home.
Also, more Americans sit out midterms anyway, when the presidency isn't up for a vote, but the Republicans are extra worried this year and have been out in force.
Waste their money.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 3 pts · 5d
Waste their money. They'll just grab more of it from the tax trough to make up for it.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 5d
I’m sure lore will come out. And probably MAGA is losing some small numbers. But are those margins enough to overcome the purging of voter rolls and other literal election fraud? I hope so.
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 4 pts · 5d
I don't expect more to come out. Election after election, Americans don't go to the polls. You don't need electoral gambits. You just need good, ol' old-timey American sloth.
In the past half century the average percent voting at midterms has been 40% VEP or so. It's been as low as about 35% (2014) and it's been as high as about 50% (2018), but over all, year after year, it dials in to about 40%. And for presidential elections it's been about 58% over the same rough time period, again with some variation here and there, but not by enough to make any meaningful difference.
I see no reason to think that this one will be any different. I would very much like to be surprised and see turnouts in the 80+% VEP range, but I won't. I'll be very surprised if this one exceeds 60%. Or even 50%.
Sloth is too powerful a force.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -7 pts · 5d
In 2016, he was the only one talking about jobs, in 2024, he was correctly acknowledging that things hadn't improved under Biden. Culture War bullshit is always going to be secondary to paying rent.
ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 5d
That must be why they aren't doing shit about rent, but invent new culture war bs all the time.
No, I'm sorry, but propaganda is all you need.
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · -2 pts · 5d
The republicans don't actually want to help the working class, but creating a lie that explains what you're experiencing is infinitely more effective than denying the material reality for nearly all americans and telling us better things aren't possible.
ReptilianCleric@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 5d
I...guess? I mean, your hypothetical kinda doesn't make sense is all. I mean, every single announcement outta this illegitimate administration flat out contradicts reality, and obviously they've convinced people better things aren't possible - until you get rid of the undesirables, of course.
So not really sure what you're trying to say here...
Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz · 1 pts · 5d
This admin's popularity is in the gutter and they will lose both the midterms and next election.
But if another Biden wins in 2028, maintaining Trump's policies while pretending to be powerless to help the people who voted for him, it guarantees they get knocked out in the midterms and then Trump jr or kegsbreath or some other fascist ghoul wins in 2032.
Correct, thats not a good story, but it matches his base's expectations. It appeals to racists more than "better things aren't possible because the scotus, the parliamentarian, John fetterman, the AG just needs time to button everything up" or whatever horse shit the dems feed their base and expect to be reelected.
Auli@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 4d
Sure but they didn't tank.
teslekova@lemmy.ml · 11 pts · 5d
It's not really a culture war if they're planning to kill all the trans people.
Sunshine@lemmy.ca · 66 pts · 5d
Defend your families against this horrible person.
inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 5d
Talk to your families about taking this horrible person serious.
Kolanaki@pawb.social · 60 pts · 5d
Trans people should end Trump and the GOP. Everyone else should help.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 54 pts · 5d
Wow ok
So like
I feel like someone needs to bait him into saying the words “final solution”, just so it’s less ambiguous for the 5-10% of voters who are still somehow ambivalent about how all of this is unfolding.
But at the same time, even if it he did say it, I genuinely don’t have a ton of faith that the fucking dipshits would even acknowledge it
thebeardedpotato@lemmy.world · 23 pts · 5d
Most of the US won’t even understand the significance of him saying “final solution.”
This isn’t me being a pessimist and cynical, I have just met many people over the past few years who are woefully ignorant of basic history :(
I spoke to someone who somehow confused the American Revolution and the Civil War
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
lol yeah… checks out
If nothing else, the last decade has made it absolutely undeniable to me that there are an absolute shitload of willfully uninformed and intentionally ignorant people in this fucking country, and it’s only getting worse 🫠
CileTheSane@lemmy.ca · 7 pts · 5d
He's raped and murdered children. They won't care.
gravitas_deficiency@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
Yeah, you are probably right
thesohoriots@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 5d
Bait him? Just let him talk long enough. “I got a plan, folks. Not gonna name names, but a man, big man, strong man, he came to me, tears in his eyes, he said to me, he said, when are you gonna do something to finally fix this place up? And I told him, I got a winner, I said. A big, beautiful final solution.”
osanna@lemmy.vg · 35 pts · 5d
I'm anti-guns, but i think it is time for trans people to arm up.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 19 pts · 5d
There’s conservative trans people who thought voting for Trump would “secure their access to guns”
osanna@lemmy.vg · 24 pts · 5d
conservative... trans.....? wow. I don't even.
Coldcell@sh.itjust.works · 17 pts · 5d
You can find baseless stupidity and hatred in all walks of life.
osanna@lemmy.vg · 6 pts · 5d
walks*
but yes, I have to agree.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 5d
Woks of Life is my new fusion inspired cookbook.
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 5d
Should be All Woks of Life. Hurry up and publish, I'd like a copy.
jaybone@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 5d
I hate to be presumptuous.
Coldcell@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 5d
Thanks, I've disabled all autocorrect on my phone and still get caught out!
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 9 pts · 5d
It's like Confederate blacks. Stupid people are everywhere.
treesapx@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 5d
Whenever you're confused about something like this just remember that there are legitimate, unironic Nazi furries.
DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social · 4 pts · 5d
I would point to the historical Jews For Hitler types but sure that too
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Association_of_German_National_Jews
marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 5d
The SA used to be a gay thing until the Night of Long Knives.
13igTyme@piefed.social · 7 pts · 5d
Conservatives are stupid. Some are extra stupid.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 7 pts · 5d
It’s like 10% of the us trans community.
Triumph@fedia.io · 2 pts · 5d
October 2024 is when I changed my mind.
You need to practice. If your state requires paperwork for a carry license, you need to do that. Having the equipment without the skill or comfort using it isn't very helpful.
If It ever crosses your mind that you should be armed, take active steps right now to get armed and prepared.
alapakala@quokk.au · 1 pts · 5d
Just don't be anti-astronaut!
ZDL@lazysoci.al · 1 pts · 4d
There was a time when revolutionaries knew how to deal with fascists.
saltesc@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 5d
Nation's burning, falling apart, starving...
"I got the solution!"
urandom@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 5d
It better be a final one!
marcela@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 5d
This will be remembered as Trump's prophecy, and historians will discuss why it wasn't taken seriously before a big bad thing happened.
philipp_@discuss.tchncs.de · 22 pts · 5d
This is Trump saying that your vote actually does matter. Act accordingly, don't fall for the useful idiots on here telling you otherwise.
Sunshine@piefed.ca · 4 pts · 5d
Tankies love spreading misinformation.
alapakala@quokk.au · 3 pts · 5d
Do they still allow arms at poll booths?
Not in, just right outside.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 19 pts · 5d
That's a big turnaround from the promise that he'd be the best LGBT president ever.
Canconda@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 5d
"Lotta Hispanics. We love our Hispanics. Get out and vote."
Mk23simp@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 18 pts · 5d
Meanwhile, if Trump gets what he deserves, transgender people will finish. :3
TerdFerguson@lemmy.ca · 18 pts · 5d
He is pandering to his Christo-fascist base.
And yeah, he seems to prioritize that because it encompasses WAY TOO MANY PEOPLE... and those people are stupid af and programmed to follow their designated authority, unfortunately.
dasrael@lemmy.zip · 18 pts · 5d
I cant wait for this orange headed fuck to die... The parties are going to be wild!
explodicle@sh.itjust.works · 5 pts · 5d
You'll be able to simply walk into any bar and say "I'm not drunk yet" for free rounds.
MunkyNutts@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 5d
So not a fascist, but has a Final Solution for those out-groups.
DarkDecay@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 5d
Interest payments are at a trillion a year on the country's debt. Better worry about how many genders there are.
Mulligrubs@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 5d
That's exactly why this is a favorite political issue now.
Abortion has also been very reliable for decades.
These are "small ticket" issues that aren't financially lucrative, and they'd rather have this argument than discussion of our military invasions, the FED, wages, universal healthcare, and other "big ticket" issues.
SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 4d
Sounds like Donald is proposing The Final Solution.
some_guy@lemmy.sdf.org · 15 pts · 5d
Threatening more people I love. Fucker.
Ulrich_the_Old@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 5d
What will make trump end? Asking for a country....
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 6 pts · 5d
The grim reaper was going after famous 80 year olds in the last couple of weeks. He just missed the one that everyone wanted gone.
wirebeads@lemmy.ca · 8 pts · 5d
First they came for the trans and I did nothing. Then they came for Bessent…
Does Bessent, the “genius” investor that took his startup money from Soros, a “dumocrat” not realize that the MAGA cult he claims to love and support think he is an abomination?
Hopefully he finds out soon, but he’s a piece of shit so I don’t mind if he dies, painfully.
compostgoblin@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 5d
Wataba@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 4d
Thank you to all the shitbrains that stood by and did nothing while the regressives boasted about a trans genocide.
captainlezbian@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 4d
He does seem dedicated to ending trans people in the only way possible …human extinction
kokesh@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 5d
Someone end tRump.
kent_eh@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 5d
Toss it onto the pile of lies and threats that Trump has made since being returned to power.
DillDough@lemmy.zip · 10 pts · 5d
Everything from the heritage foundation and project 2025 actually happens though, and forceful eradication of trans people is a major part of both the HF and P2025 specifically.
GalacticGrapefruit@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 5d
I'm still here, you overgrown shitsicle! 🖕🖕🖕
You wanna end me? End us? Fucking try! I double dog dare you!
CanadianMade@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 4d
Just leave them alone, they’re not harming anyone.
Nagrom@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 5d
That’s a promise