TBF, on Debian apt install firefox installs firefox-esr, and on Ubuntu it's a placeholder that installs the snap package. Both work and are clearly better than downloading from random websites, but they do come with surprises for unsuspecting users.
The reason tutorials are always based on terminal commands is because it's much harder to describe directions for a GUI, and it's also a lot more prone to change. When the command is just a single line, not images or dependencies, that's obviously better.
I need to point out that in this case most probably will be installed snap/flatpack package (unless you mean some UI for native package manager), which is a sandboxed package and can/will have issues with things like file access.
Well, it's not like problems are guaranteed, most things just work, except maybe Steam.
I heard there was big investment from Germany into flatpack, I hope it become more polished, it would be great. I do like fully native apps, but I like stability and ease of install better.
Search " software "click download, accept security warning, navigate to wherever your default download location is, double click installer, click your way through the installer (make sure do deselect whatever crapware it tries to package along with).
From there you click Firefox, then you click the download link it gives you on the next page, that downloads a file (still not installed) or takes you to an app store if you're on a phone, you run that file or click install on the app store to actually install the application.
And rm won't work either, since you (probably) don't have files named - and rf, and then it will complain that / is a directory. And even if we correct that, you forgot to pass --no-preserve-root.
Not wrong about OP, but also both major desktop environments on linux ship with "app stores" that are friendly to anyone familiar with a phone. So it's still easier installing software on linux than searching for and downloading .msi and .exe files on the internet (and hoping the version of MSI afterburner you found is the real one).
I use Octopi generally, though the add/remove software app is prettier. If I have to install software via the command line I always have to double check the syntax. The command like version existing is extremely useful as a fallback though, and most (all?) gui package managers act as wrappers around the command line. So don't dunk on the command line
Thinking you have to use the terminal for installing programs can only mean you don't know anything about modern user friendly Linux distros. You manage to install stuff on an iOS or Android phone as well, without downloading random files from random sites and then launching random installers, do you? You can do it thesame way on Linux.
The thing is, if you want to, you can also use the terminal. Many prefer it because you can be faster and the command is not rocket science. Which is fine too. Whatever you prefer.
Looks like they have a tiling window manager running the 'stat' command on a bunch of kernel files on the left, then a bunch of smaller window tiles having random stuff like garbled text, a resource monitor, and gnucharmap?
dude, don't try to sell me on an easy to configure distro, I'm just finishing up on the configs for my debian home server/sometimes workstation. Definitely don't do it, don't send me down the rabbit hole of reproducebility
As a programmer, the moment I learned about nixos (here on lemmy, if I recall correctly) I knew that'd be the one I'd pick once I found the time to move to linux. It just seemed like a reasonable way of doing things, you know?
i think i never even used a terminal to install a browser and i dabbled with linux on and off for over a decade now. there was always a gui to install a browser. well, not on arch in 2014 but back then i never made it past a half broken desktop enviroment. so my point still stands technically.
When I used to be on windows it was a bit of pain to install Firefox via WSL2. I probably had to install like X11 while at it. I also installed modded Minecraft. It ran fabulously at 2 FPS v 1.4.7
As anyone tried Midori recently. I remembered about it this past weekend and when searching I was impressed with the project page.
Installed it on my phone and my computer.
On Android it is not ready yet. Maybe for tablets. The browser did not resize to fit the screen. It also felt heavy. Removed after a few tentative uses.
On PC, the same feeling of being heavy, slow moving. It took a long time to open and start navigating. My computer is not new but it carries itself well enough to start FF in a few seconds.
im the most tech savvy in my household. compared to general people, im still a normie.
my personal pc is linux based and whenever someone asked to use my pc for general purpose i have to do the terminal dance. now for some of you that may be easy but for me it's annoying. not to mention that i have goldfish memory so i have to duckduckgo which dependancy i need, troubleshooting and look for dependancy just to make my vlc support certain kind of media or connecting apple device to the pc.
im planning to distro hop to an easier one but im dreading to do the terminal dance all over again.
worth mentioning, my kb Fx keys are unusable for almost a year now and i exhausted all possible way to fix it. my steam streaming also outputting blank screen. i just dont have the urge and will to fix it
Don't feel bad. I've been running some distro since Y2K was a fear. And I still often need to search commands. (Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone but I have even used ChatGPT a few times also. To my secret shame). But I am wary of what I see and while I don't always remember the proper syntax all the the time, I do know when the answer is right when I see it.
If anything, it shows that you are a person that is willing to get your hands dirty to fix your own problems before you start asking random people to solve your problem for you. You will become the master yet.
And Kudos to Ephera for stepping up and helping a fellow user!
my kb Fx keys are unusable for almost a year now and i exhausted all possible way to fix it.
Unusable as in nothing at all happens, or do they do things like volume up/down when you press them?
If the latter, there may be an "FnLock" key combination you have to press. Usually, it's something like Fn+Esc. Or Fn + whatever key has a lock symbol or "FnLock" written on it...
its the latter. the fn thing doesnt work as the fn key doesnt register input. my initial asumption is that because my kb is on apple format and i couldnt change it to windows because it requires me to press the fn key (iqunix f96)
It's quite a lot of detailed technology talk, which I don't expect you to understand. The main takeaway should be this:
So the problem is [temporarily] solved by running: rmmod hid_apple
This command unloads a driver that's potentially interfering here. The driver will be loaded again on next reboot.
Which is useful, because you can just try it out and if it doesn't work (or if it breaks something), you can just do a reboot and everything is back to normal.
You will need admin/root permissions to run this command, so the real command you need to run is: sudo rmmod hid_apple
It will ask you for your login password to confirm running the command.
If that does fix it, then we can look into making it permanent.
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eruchitanda@lemmy.world · 84 pts · 1d
Literally easier than Windows.
People are falling for this and downloading software from unofficial websites.
Linux is super easy.
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 30 pts · 1d
TBF, on Debian
apt install firefoxinstalls firefox-esr, and on Ubuntu it's a placeholder that installs the snap package. Both work and are clearly better than downloading from random websites, but they do come with surprises for unsuspecting users.spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 17 pts · 1d
Why is Ubuntu even still relevant?
rumschlumpel@feddit.org · 20 pts · 1d
Inertia?
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 23h
That's because debian stable need ESR packages to make any sense, on debian unstable (debian Sid) you get the normal package
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 28 pts · 1d
click the store basket icon.
type the name of the program.
press install.
Cethin@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 23h
The reason tutorials are always based on terminal commands is because it's much harder to describe directions for a GUI, and it's also a lot more prone to change. When the command is just a single line, not images or dependencies, that's obviously better.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 14h
i know. outlines how easy it is tho.
DeLancre@piefed.social · 1 pts · 18h
I need to point out that in this case most probably will be installed snap/flatpack package (unless you mean some UI for native package manager), which is a sandboxed package and can/will have issues with things like file access.
VieuxQueb@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 16h
I use discover on opensuse tumbleweed. Simple, easy, and I can choose the source from flathub and tumbleweed when both are available.
I did have an issue once but it turned out that it was network related and not my config.
DeLancre@piefed.social · 3 pts · 15h
Well, it's not like problems are guaranteed, most things just work, except maybe Steam.
I heard there was big investment from Germany into flatpack, I hope it become more polished, it would be great. I do like fully native apps, but I like stability and ease of install better.
umbrella@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 14h
steam just works for me. flatpak has been working better and better over time for me.
it's getting polished as we speak, slowly but surely.
urushitan@kakera.kintsugi.moe · 17 pts · 1d
Ok but also
winget install mozilla.firefoxIt’s not binary
exu@feditown.com · 19 pts · 1d
It actually is a binary. Though you can probably find some version to compile in the AUR
Sturgist@piefed.ca · 3 pts · 1d
slow clap
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 19h
winget was literally robbed from appget.
serpineslair@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 1d
Or even: yay firefox
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 1d
or even: yay -S librewolf-bin
serpineslair@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 1d
No need. Librewolf got added to extra repo. yay librewolf or pacman -S librewolf will do just fine.
ekZepp@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
👍
eruchitanda@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
yay firefoxdoesyay -Ss firefox.akunohana@piefed.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 1d
Which, in turn, does
me: yay! 🥳VOwOxel@discuss.tchncs.de · 8 pts · 1d
provectus@lemmy.ml · 6 pts · 1d
It should take a moment or two to install. /s
BurgerBaron@quokk.au · 4 pts · 1d
CachyOS # pacman -S firefox-wayland-cachy-hg
edit: BTW
Honytawk@discuss.tchncs.de · -15 pts · 1d
Thinking a command line is easier than double clicking an installer shows how far you linux users are devoid from the common user.
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 25 pts · 1d
Vs
Search "
software"click download, accept security warning, navigate to wherever your default download location is, double click installer, click your way through the installer (make sure do deselect whatever crapware it tries to package along with).Yup, the Windows way is totally so much easier.
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -2 pts · 1d
https://mozilla.org/
yay -S firefox
Which is harder to type?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 10 pts · 1d
So going to mozilla.org then immediately installs firefox?
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -9 pts · 1d
Yep, you should try it
Bongles@lemmy.zip · 11 pts · 1d
It doesn't and you know that.
From there you click Firefox, then you click the download link it gives you on the next page, that downloads a file (still not installed) or takes you to an app store if you're on a phone, you run that file or click install on the app store to actually install the application.
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · -1 pts · 1d
Wow! That sounds complicated and seems like a lot of unnecessary steps
IrateAnteater@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 1d
To be fair, I'm guessing that most people will just type "Firefox" into Google and click the first link
libewa@feddit.org · 1 pts · 19h
"There's no need to download a different browser"
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 2 pts · 23h
mmh http://mozilla.org/ IMO
homosapien@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
what do you do with the extra 2 seconds?
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 6 pts · 1d
My wife.
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
2 whole seconds? You animal.
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Sudo rm - rf /
🤷♂️
libewa@feddit.org · 2 pts · 19h
bash: Sudo: command not foundAnd
rmwon't work either, since you (probably) don't have files named-andrf, and then it will complain that/is a directory. And even if we correct that, you forgot to pass--no-preserve-root.elfpie@lemmy.eco.br · 1 pts · 17h
Maybe they are being nice to people trying to test a random command from the internet.
punkfungus@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 1d
Not wrong about OP, but also both major desktop environments on linux ship with "app stores" that are friendly to anyone familiar with a phone. So it's still easier installing software on linux than searching for and downloading .msi and .exe files on the internet (and hoping the version of MSI afterburner you found is the real one).
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 1d
Common users type into chatbots. They can 100% type the install commands. But also using the Bazaar or software center is super easy.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Who's typing those long ass command chains? Let's be honest, it's all copy pasta from those chatbots.
_stranger_@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
that's not what devoid means.
ReCursing@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 1d
I use Octopi generally, though the add/remove software app is prettier. If I have to install software via the command line I always have to double check the syntax. The command like version existing is extremely useful as a fallback though, and most (all?) gui package managers act as wrappers around the command line. So don't dunk on the command line
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 18h
I find installing or running software from the cli is excellent for getting hints and clues to errors that the gui won't show you.
Jiral@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 15h
Thinking you have to use the terminal for installing programs can only mean you don't know anything about modern user friendly Linux distros. You manage to install stuff on an iOS or Android phone as well, without downloading random files from random sites and then launching random installers, do you? You can do it thesame way on Linux.
The thing is, if you want to, you can also use the terminal. Many prefer it because you can be faster and the command is not rocket science. Which is fine too. Whatever you prefer.
eruchitanda@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
I disagree.
But still, you need to get the installer somehow.
treadful@lemmy.zip · 43 pts · 1d
Don't know what the fuck is going on there, but that's not installing a browser.
girsaysdoom@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 1d
Looks like they have a tiling window manager running the 'stat' command on a bunch of kernel files on the left, then a bunch of smaller window tiles having random stuff like garbled text, a resource monitor, and gnucharmap?
Marduk73@sh.itjust.works · 8 pts · 1d
They think they are movie hackers sitting in a back seat in a high speed chase going clackity clak ok got it, next light is green.
FreddiesLantern@leminal.space · 4 pts · 1d
DOWNLOAD THE SERVER ON A DVD!
RogueBanana@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 1d
Damn, this repo is tough to fetch from. I will take the left side of the keyboard and you take the right.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 19 pts · 1d
Add
programs.firefox.enable = true;to configuration.nix.Call
sudo nixos-rebuild switch. Maybe add--flakeif you're feeling adventurous.Done.
Or, more realistically...
... and keep the whole thing in a git repository to track changes and have it available for other machines.
NoFood4u@sopuli.xyz · 7 pts · 1d
And you can even add
programs.firefox.package = pkgs.librewolf;if you prefer it!libewa@feddit.org · 2 pts · 19h
And the default GUI configs come with Firefox iirc!
ttayh@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 19h
dude, don't try to sell me on an easy to configure distro, I'm just finishing up on the configs for my debian home server/sometimes workstation. Definitely don't do it, don't send me down the rabbit hole of reproducebility
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 16h
As a programmer, the moment I learned about nixos (here on lemmy, if I recall correctly) I knew that'd be the one I'd pick once I found the time to move to linux. It just seemed like a reasonable way of doing things, you know?
Bit of a learning curve, but worth it, I believe.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 19h
Lol,
yay firefox-esr.And optionally
ln -s /usr/sbin/firefox-esr ~/bin/webbrowser.sik0fewl@piefed.ca · 17 pts · 1d
Real Linux users use Lynx because they fucked up their XF86Config.
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 19h
You be nice to Lynx. It was the first browser I used way back in the day. Fast and sometimes confusing and limited, it was the perfect experience.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 19h
Or the display manager is a bitch with your custom $XAUTHORITY place (looking at you, Lightdm).
Hond@piefed.social · 15 pts · 1d
i think i never even used a terminal to install a browser and i dabbled with linux on and off for over a decade now. there was always a gui to install a browser. well, not on arch in 2014 but back then i never made it past a half broken desktop enviroment. so my point still stands technically.
djdarren@piefed.social · 1 pts · 1d
Ironically, I used a terminal to install LibreWolf on my Macbook.
RickyRigatoni@piefed.zip · 13 pts · 1d
What distros are ya'll using that firefox isn't installed by default?
KernelTale@programming.dev · 2 pts · 21h
When I used to be on windows it was a bit of pain to install Firefox via WSL2. I probably had to install like X11 while at it. I also installed modded Minecraft. It ran fabulously at 2 FPS v 1.4.7
Pat_Riot@lemmy.today · 7 pts · 1d
Installing a flatpack looks different on my system.
germanatlas@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 1d
There are several gui applications for your package manager you can use to install various browsers.
This ironically fits more to windows users trying to uninstall edge
qyron@sopuli.xyz · 6 pts · 23h
High-jacking the thread a bit.
As anyone tried Midori recently. I remembered about it this past weekend and when searching I was impressed with the project page.
Installed it on my phone and my computer.
On Android it is not ready yet. Maybe for tablets. The browser did not resize to fit the screen. It also felt heavy. Removed after a few tentative uses.
On PC, the same feeling of being heavy, slow moving. It took a long time to open and start navigating. My computer is not new but it carries itself well enough to start FF in a few seconds.
MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip · 6 pts · 19h
The installing, not the webbrowser.
thagoat@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 1d
Live by the cli, die by the cli.
mcmodknower@programming.dev · 3 pts · 1d
That's not installing Firefox, that's https://github.com/dustinkirkland/hollywood
wopalopa@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
im the most tech savvy in my household. compared to general people, im still a normie.
my personal pc is linux based and whenever someone asked to use my pc for general purpose i have to do the terminal dance. now for some of you that may be easy but for me it's annoying. not to mention that i have goldfish memory so i have to duckduckgo which dependancy i need, troubleshooting and look for dependancy just to make my vlc support certain kind of media or connecting apple device to the pc.
im planning to distro hop to an easier one but im dreading to do the terminal dance all over again.
worth mentioning, my kb Fx keys are unusable for almost a year now and i exhausted all possible way to fix it. my steam streaming also outputting blank screen. i just dont have the urge and will to fix it
Bluewing@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 18h
Don't feel bad. I've been running some distro since Y2K was a fear. And I still often need to search commands. (Shhhhh! Don't tell anyone but I have even used ChatGPT a few times also. To my secret shame). But I am wary of what I see and while I don't always remember the proper syntax all the the time, I do know when the answer is right when I see it.
If anything, it shows that you are a person that is willing to get your hands dirty to fix your own problems before you start asking random people to solve your problem for you. You will become the master yet.
And Kudos to Ephera for stepping up and helping a fellow user!
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 1d
Unusable as in nothing at all happens, or do they do things like volume up/down when you press them?
If the latter, there may be an "FnLock" key combination you have to press. Usually, it's something like Fn+Esc. Or Fn + whatever key has a lock symbol or "FnLock" written on it...
wopalopa@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
its the latter. the fn thing doesnt work as the fn key doesnt register input. my initial asumption is that because my kb is on apple format and i couldnt change it to windows because it requires me to press the fn key (iqunix f96)
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 1d
This sounds exactly like your problem: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=269796
It's quite a lot of detailed technology talk, which I don't expect you to understand. The main takeaway should be this:
This command unloads a driver that's potentially interfering here. The driver will be loaded again on next reboot.
Which is useful, because you can just try it out and if it doesn't work (or if it breaks something), you can just do a reboot and everything is back to normal.
You will need admin/root permissions to run this command, so the real command you need to run is:
sudo rmmod hid_appleIt will ask you for your login password to confirm running the command.
If that does fix it, then we can look into making it permanent.
wopalopa@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 23h
thank you, ill try it asap
punkfungus@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 1d
That just sounds like your keyboard is broken. Your keyboard switching its own functions does not involve the OS
Ephera@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 1d
That would have also been my intuition, but apparently the driver is involved. At least, unloading the driver solved it in this case: https://bbs.archlinux.org/viewtopic.php?id=269796
realitaetsverlust@piefed.zip · 3 pts · 1d
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ThSgB4WJD8I
Uri@infosec.pub · 2 pts · 19h
Nope just use w3m it's better
UnfortunateShort@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
yay -S librewolfdone