Just got this in the parent app, Ive truly become unhinged in that I responded immediately to the post: Ai really? Slop.
I cant take it anymore. A lady at the checkout of my dr appointment yesterday had a large poster, ehem, large ai poster of herself as a queen with text on it like "phone queen" and it was so hard to stand there and not say anything.
Imma get introuble at my son's school this year, I can tell. Fuck Camino Alto, Fuck ai.
76 Comments
threeonefour@piefed.ca · 46 pts · 3d
Interesting that the thread is filled with people saying using AI to make a flyer is fine because the person making the flyer doesn't have the time, skill, or budget to do anything more than some text and clip art.
Doesn't that argument literally apply to everything AI is used for? Isn't AI literally being marketed as the tool to use to do the thing you don't have the time, skill, or budget to do?
Someone doesn't have the time, skill, or budget to make a nice looking website? Just use AI. Someone doesn't have the time, skill, or budget to make a nice looking menu for their restaurant? Just use AI.
Why does that argument work here but not for everything AI is used for?
rekabis@lemmy.ca · 14 pts · 2d
It’s always someone saying, “AI is fine to use if you use it for [skill that is outside my wheelhouse], but you shouldn’t use it for [skills I depend on to make a wage].”
Like, even as a software dev I acknowledge there are places where it should be readily used in directly making software, and places where it should never touch the actual code.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 8 pts · 2d
yeah Ive dipped from this convo when I saw a post shortly after mine with an Ai menu with no confrontation in the thread under it.
Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 1d
Back in the day this is something clipart would have been used here. Clipart is almost as soulless.
When clipart completes with jobs, or even worse, passionate people that publish their art for free, the consequences are way more dire
Mokopa@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 2d
I would have to agree that AI has valid use cases, this seems like one. My issue with AI is people's insistence on trying to shoehorn it into everything and then using it (just because it's there) to churn out shite, like the phone queen example the op gave us.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 13 pts · 2d
People have been advertising their small business or event with crappy clipart and a complete lack of design sense for as long as we've had access to personal computers. Didn't stop people making these things a success.
The current wave of stuff they're making with LLM tools just all have this uncanny valley feel where all you can see are the slop markers and, for me at least, it's incredibly distracting from what the thing is even trying to tell me.
Do I think there's a meaningful loss of business for people using LLMs? Probably not, but I'm not alone in just now ignoring any product, service or event if it uses LLM image generation to advertise it.
Mokopa@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 2d
Of course, this is just a lot faster, so it's equally shitty, but more time effective for them.
The sooner they have to pay for shit like this, the sooner it should reduce... I think the amount of "free" usage is too damn high.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 2d
They're like drug dealers handing out free samples, they're getting people hooked so when they jack the prices up they'll be desperate for it.
Gerudo@lemmy.zip · 29 pts · 3d
That font style is so pervasive in every AI flyer I see made .
0ops@piefed.zip · 17 pts · 3d
And they always, like nearly 100% of the time, have all the text rotated just slightly counter-clockwise. If you haven't noticed this yet you'll start to see it everywhere.
renrenPDX@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 1d
Yeah, it's the new Comic Sans.
LodeMike@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 3d
dumnezero@piefed.social · 13 pts · 3d
regdog@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 3d
Save the upcoming dates:
NathanDerWeise@feddit.org · 10 pts · 3d
There's a school event the day before Christmas Eve? Getting those future wage slaves used to barely having any time off early.
jim_v@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 3d
My kids have Winter Break from Dec 24th, until Jan 4th.
anarchy79@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
Of all the gripes you can have with AI, elementary school teachers using it to save time printing out pointless time schedules is a pretty stupid one.
MidsizedSedan@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I work at a school, and its still depressing seeing the exec team using ai posters hyping up a school event, but asking the acemedic staff to come up with activities to do in the event.
Like they made the poster adveticing KFC and pool time. But the person who made the poster stayed back. Everyone else had to set up the tables, buy the food, supervise the kids for the event. While the guys upstairs didn't even use comic sans and clip art. They went to Copilot and said "do this for me", and went back to their coffee and friends.
chronicledmonocle@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 2d
My school sells shirts for funding the PTA and various programs at the school every year. This year the company making the shirts used AI to generate the images and logos.
It was extremely hard to want to support the school's funding, but also not want to support this bullshit.
master_baiter@programming.dev · 6 pts · 1d
My school recently posted a fundraiser, except this time they completely AI generated the poster and advertising for it. Funnily enough literally only 1 person has donated so far and they've made 1% of what they did last year
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 1d
Before gen“AI” this flyer would have been comic sans and clip-art images... the economic, social, and mental costs of gen“AI” obviously make this worse, but I'm not sure that would have looked any better...
hansolo@lemmy.today · 3 pts · 1d
This is true. Whoever spent 10 minutes doing this in Canva would have also spent 10 minutes doing this at any stage of history. If this was from the 80s, it would have been black marker and then 100 copies would have been made.
strop@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 2d
Can we hide these behind a blur or a warning? I get educational cause but more control is good
CheesyFingers@piefed.social · 5 pts · 2d
I don't want to see it tbh
kevinchen88881@thelemmy.club · 4 pts · 1d
My biology high school teather starts to use ai-gened html instead of video. And it is funny. Like some sort of games designed for pupils. It presents nothing more than the sentense on the textbook. When you use AI to demonstrate or simulate something for the class, make sure you have much more knowledge prepared and plan thoroughly. Bear in mind the iceberg principle.
IamMoonPie@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
My kids high school uses AI for everything this year. After talking with him he decided to try to suggest that students do the designs for posters moving forward. We haven’t heard anything back yet but I guess we’ll see.
But honestly, with high schools especially — how are they not taking advantage of that fun learning opportunity with the kids?
babysmokesalot@sh.itjust.works · 2 pts · 2d
The gipity gonna make it so the levy don't pass then they go back to the gipity to make a flyer that looks like ass. I hacked the system I didn't breed. Knew this day was cumming. derp welcum to the footurd. Donkey steaks and diarrhea lettuce
Flauschige_Lemmata@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Wispy2891@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
Same here
The problem (at least in public schools in my country) is that those flyers are made by a teacher during their unpaid free time, so they try to get maximum result in minimum time. Before genai they would use a canva template and before canva a PowerPoint template. It always been some kind of slop.
The solution would be easier: You're a middle school so just let the kids do it during a lesson of an art or computer class....
Not as "pretty" as the genai but definitely not as sterile
pattycake@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 2d
What are the AI tells here? I can't tell at all.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 5 pts · 2d
Generally the images looking like they have been nail polished and subjected to a strong light And those errors:
InFerNo@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 2d
That's a butterfly, but the whole thing is AI generated regardless. is it the overall lack of sharpness? idk
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 2d
Why is there a butterfly there? Why is it the exact same color as the numbers? Why is the butterfly a single color blurry mess when the depictions of the food have a sickening amount of detail bordering on perfectly symmetrical?
Grimy@lemmy.world · 0 pts · 2d
No one is zooming into a school poster and getting upset over this. It's nitpicking to nitpick.
Squirrelanna@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 1d
My attention was drawn to it because it looks like it's supposed to signal a footnote at first glance, but there's no foot note. It's odd size makes this stand out.
lawks@aussie.zone · 4 pts · 2d
The entire style is the same generic crap that ChatGPT and others pour out. The significant detail and cutesiness is always indicative for low-stakes events, because it's rare for a human to put in that much effort for something this simple.
rumba@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
It sucks ass, but at least it's not a tryptophoic burrito or Riverstone's hash browns. These waste of resources just make me mad, not sick :)
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 3d
AI used like this is basically just the modern version of The Print Shop. It was immediately obvious back then that someone used it and it gave a similar low effort feel, but nothing to get so upset about. Also consider that the school staff may retaliate against your child in ways that may not be visible to you. https://archive.org/details/msdos_broderbund_print_shop
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 29 pts · 3d
Except print shop wasnt trying to take over society with its tools.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · -12 pts · 3d
A school using AI to create flyers isn't helping AI companies take over society. You're blaming the wrong organization. It's like blaming a crackhead for drug cartels.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 3d
yeah and your little paper towell order on amazon isnt funnelling bezos money. right. Good to hear ai is like crack.
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · -8 pts · 3d
I'd encourage you to read the responses to your post and realize that you overreacted. Your outrage is not helping anything. Now you're just lashing out and being rude. I originally responded because I cared, and didn't want to see you go down the same path that I did (different causes but same results). I'd encourage you to get some kind of therapy. It's likely that your inability to choose your battles and control your emotions has already affected your kid. But it's not too late to improve things.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 3d
All I said was, "ai really? slop"
Hardly anger, more like overwhelming dissapointment. This school is for profit and has issues.
Thanks for uh, the concern, little wierd here though, lots of misunderstandings, and maybe some projection? Maybe no, but uh.
I just want to engange in the content man. Talk some shit- and move on. Posting here is was the cope move. Here you are putting me down, like seriously. Wierd move on you tbh.
I have a therapist, Ill let her know your concern, dead ass, I will.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 4 pts · 2d
"Oh my god I can't stop slopping myself! 🫨 I'm just a good little slopper 😩 who loves gorging myself with yummy slopy goodness. 😋 How dare you not feed your kids Slop!? 🤬" - you probably
forbiddencherry@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 1d
Considering that I lost not just my job, but my entire career years ago due to LLMs, I'd say that you owe me an apology although I know you never will.
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 1d
I don't owe you anything. And if that really is the case, you should be pissed, and just as anti AI as I am.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 1 pts · 4h
mushroommunk@lemmy.today · 14 pts · 3d
I think literally killing the planet and continuing to use fascist's tools because they're lazy is worth getting upset about.
TurgidSturgeon@piefed.zip · 5 pts · 2d
Wow... I haven't thought about Print Shop in decades. I used to make my crappy 'zine with that program many years ago as a bored teenager 😀
spicehoarder@lemmy.zip · 2 pts · 2d
Print shop required people.
BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today · 0 pts · 3d
The issue is that AI can actually have useful purposes, but we know that those managing it don't give a single flying fuck about that. They only want it for the most nefarious purposes possible.
We should be using AI to make nice flyers for school events, not tracking the movements and personal finances of every person. Unfortunately, since they only want to use AI to enslave us, we have to surrender all the positive things it could do.
Just have the kids in the art department design the flyers.
Hawke@lemmy.world · 15 pts · 3d
No, we should not.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 2d
thank you. Pay them fairly, too.
Grimy@lemmy.world · -2 pts · 3d
Fact is people pay more attention when it looks nice and they probably don't have a budget and time for a graphic designer.
People are getting mad just to get mad. Nobody is going to read a word doc poster and it literally takes longer to make, it's just how it is.
Hawke@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 3d
So they’ll be ignoring this shitty-looking poster?
Denjin@feddit.uk · 6 pts · 2d
Word doc posters existed and were perfectly acceptable ways to advertise something for decades, I don't think suddenly over 18 months people are now incapable of parsing them.
llii@discuss.tchncs.de · 6 pts · 2d
Yeah, I read this often regarding sloppers, "Theres just no other waaayy!!1". What? Weren't you alive two years ago?!
adarza@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 2d
bring back the glorious wordart!
besides that, the print shop software has been around since 1984. yea, it still exists! print master and print artist, too (from 1985 and 1992, respectively).
bstix@feddit.dk · 3 pts · 2d
This has the opposite effect in my opinion.
I get that as a tool, AI isn't worse than somebody using WordArt and comic sans for everything. However the result is actually worse.
It doesn't look nice. It looks soo generic that it sends the message that nobody spend a second giving a flying fuck about what it looked like. They might as well have typed it on a blank page using Times New Roman.
I'm not going to spend my time even looking at it or let alone read it to get any info from it, because I can tell from a glance they didn't care about putting it there in the first place.
I stop listening to the radio or walk away from the TV when the commercial break starts. I put my phone away when it plays unskippable ads. This flyer has the same effect on me as a billboard at the busstop that I also don't look at.
So it could be argued that maybe I'm just not the target demographic for this flyer. But I am. And this flyer is not advertising. Yet it's presented in the way a computer has decided would be appealing to humans or some shit. And it just fails completely, while also screwing up the purpose of communication.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 0 pts · 2d
Canva makes so easy to just get a template, modify it slightly in ~15-30 minutes and have something looking good enough, no need for a graphic designer
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
A flyer's job is to communicate concisely and unambiguously. These Ai bullshits op has been sharing, they are not concise. They aren't just bad because llms made them, the llms made poor design choices. Then they slopped ugly images all over the paper
mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works · -3 pts · 3d
I mean staff at the school probably just wanted a nice poster and don’t have the time or skill to do it. I generally hate AI but I also wouldn’t get upset about this. As lazy as it may seem, it might be someone doing the best they can with what is available to them.
nightwatch_admin@lemmy.world · 27 pts · 3d
They probably have tons of enthusiastic kids at school that love to design posters, and some are actually very good. But noooo run dem slop maschinen!
mrnngglry@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 2d
Totally a better alternative. I’d be a terrible teacher.
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 2d
These days... I don't know, maybe a few. Also if you force kids to do stuff it will backfire =)
I had to make a poster for the Special Olympics when I was in school. It was mandatory, and a "competition" in the classes lol
I made the most offensive possible poster I could but was the only one that followed the rules to a tee and won the competition, even my peers who actually tried were like wtf? Only a few know, so I can describe it but it was an image, looking like a crayon drawing (I used a drawing tablet), with someone (use your imagination for the drawing) running into a brick wall with stacks of cash and of course the obligatory fake coffee mug stain.
Let's just say it wasn't mandatory the following year and after graduating the program was shut down. Yeah I'm pretty sure I'm partially to blame.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 2d
I would suggest to hire the students to do it, not require them to do it. Give them some experience earning a little money doing art.
myyass@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 1d
I agree except fair wage should be paid to set an example for their future.
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
AGREE HOW DARE YOU yeah i probably should have included paying them a fair wage or better in there
myyass@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 1d
Hahaha, I figured you implied so, but getting an actual market wage is even a better motivator!
riskable@programming.dev · -12 pts · 3d
Yes! Let's bring back child labor in order to fight AI!
snooggums@piefed.world · 10 pts · 2d
School is literally about kids learning and doing things to gain experience.
Axolotl_cpp@feddit.it · 1 pts · 2d
As i said in another comment:
freijon@lemmy.zip · -1 pts · 2d
Agreed. I feel like some people here just get super triggered when they see AI stuff. I'm not a fan either, but getting infuriated because of every slop they see anywhere will become frustrating soon. The sad reality is that AI is easy and convenient and most people are lazy.
EDIT: I just noticed that this was posted in the fuck_ai community. Please continue lol
FluorideMind@lemmy.world · -5 pts · 3d
Yeah fuck ai. But you're getting angry at the smallest fish in the pond. Choose your battles.
Madzielle@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 14 pts · 3d
Or speak up and try and reach people who dont pay attention.
mnemonicmonkeys@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 3d
No. Word art exists and is fine. No slop needed
HeyThisIsntTheYMCA@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 2d
Ms paint shitart is better
zd9@lemmy.world · -8 pts · 3d
This use of AI is really such a tiny tiny issue. Is this really the hill you want to die on? Why not save your energy and attention for the big issues like the Capital class using AI to fuck over the Labor class? Save your energy for the real fight, against Thiel and Co.
Also, how would this have been done prior to AI? They would find some random illustrations on google, copy+paste, then print it out. Who is this actually negatively affecting?
regdog@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 1d
We can do both