It's actually, sadly, quite easy. In her mind there are no shades of grey, no systems, no circumstances. There are people who are Good People and people who are Bad People, and which people are which is self-evident and not as related to their actions as you might think. It's just a case of identity. They're Good when they do bad things, and Bad People are bad even when occasionally doing good.
And so celebrating the death of a Bad Person is honorable, obviously, and celebrating the death of a Good Person is sickening and deplorable. Clearly.
And if I agreed that this was the way the world was, I'd probably agree with her. Unfortunately for me, that seems fucking nuts.
Oh yea the "Good Person" who literally died the moment he was using outright lies to denigrate trans people and minorities - whom he felt should be eradicated, just as Hitler did.
Right exactly! Like the sibling comment says, in their minds Trans people are Bad. You can tell because "they're sick". (I don't believe this, I'm mimicking this mindset). Minorities are Bad. You can tell because they don't have money, they do different stuff than I do, which is Good stuff, and they do crimes and are bad parents or whatever. Doesn't matter what.
So anyway, this Knight of Justice, Paragon of Good, was out there saying the Good People are being passed over in favour of the Bad People, which is obviously unacceptable. And that the problems with society aren't caused by Good People, they're caused by Bad People. And then right in the middle of his speech, a Bad Person shoots and kills him! How do we know they were a Bad Person without knowing who they are? It's self-evident because no Good Person would kill another Good Person.
This is like if Superman died, and then the credits rolled! That's not the way this is meant to go! This is an afront to nature! This is a tragedy. To them.
I mean this dynamic is not only found on the right. Many Lemmings seem to be caught up in the same mode of thinking.
I hope we can all agree that people suffering and dying, in isolation, is bad. Obviously the implications of a death can vary widely and that’s where things get complicated. But the basic moral principle should be widely shared.
I think the current moral question society is wrestling with is along those lines. Something to the effect of, how removed from the outcome of a decision does one need to be in order to absolve themselves of responsibility for that outcome? Essentially, why is it OK for a CEO or a President to cause thousands of deaths by signing a piece of paper but not OK for that same person to go out and shoot those thousand people one at a time? The outcome is the same there's just more obfuscation along the way in the first case. The greed motivation seems to be the difference. The CEO isn't usually killing people because he wants them dead, he's doing it because he views them as acceptable casualties in his quest to make money.
Charlie Kirk is a great example of that phenomenon as well. He may not have directly shot anybody but he undoubtedly influenced people towards doing exactly that. To what degree should he bear the blame for their actions? He certainly didn't do it in complete ignorance of the possibility that people could die but does the separation from the actual crime make his actions morally acceptable? Does it make any difference if his motivations were money and power as opposed to bigotry and hatred?
To me, diffuse harm is very obviously just as bad, but it is more difficult to quantify and fix. Furthermore, these types of harms are not comparable to a mass shooter where the danger is ended by killing or capturing them. The harms are produced by systems. Does killing Charlie Kirk end the harms he committed or will the billionaires propping him up simply replace him with another identical mouthpiece?
Individual assassinations don’t usually solve systemic problems.
True! It's not unique to the right, but I do think it shows up there a lot. It's a very Objective view of the world (there is a Right and Wrong, outside of culture), and there's more objectivity on the right, and more subjectivity on the left. Not universally, but more.
I think the way this manifests on the left is actually pretty different, perhaps even the opposite, to the way it shows up on at least the current right.
The current right has Good People who can do no Bad, no matter how much wrong they do. So they can get away with a lot, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and their base will support them anyway because they're still a Good Person.
Whereas on the left we're maybe a bit quick to dismiss someone outright, or lose the forest for the trees, because we think of ourselves as the side of Morality. So there can be a person who does a lot of good, and seems like a Good Person, and then one thing can come out about them, maybe not even a substantiated thing. Maybe something they did 25 years ago, that they would never do today, and in an instant everyone has flipped on them. You see, people are either Good People or Bad People, and if you've done a Bad thing, you must not have been a Good Person afterall! You were a Bad Person in disguise! Thank goodness we caught you and ousted you, so we can continue to be the side of only Good People.
Shouldn't we be the side of spectrums? Of forgiveness? Of growth, and healing, and learning, and rehabilitation? Grace and second chances?
I mean, don't get fooled over and over by the same grifter, but there could at least be some room to say oops, sorry, and then do better going forwards.
Considering studies have shown that conservatives have, on average, smaller parts of the brain that are related to things like empathy and higher rates of aggressive personality disorders and the like, I'd say all of the above. Bigotry is learned, not natural, but people are also emotion based and don't like to be proven wrong, so facts and logic don't really convince many people. It's why so many conservatives only change their opinions when it happens to them, and why so many who do have it happen to them continue to do the thing that hurts them.
It's always a very case by case kind of situation, but I'd say don't expect them to change their opinions. Even the ones who aren't in it because they were already bigots.
Trump runs a cult, and after a certain point of commitment to a cult, it becomes basically impossible to get someone out because of the sunk cost fallacy of making it their entire personality and having to admit what they did in service to the cult was wrong.
Are there truly so many of them in the US or are they just super active in the (social) media? I live in Germany and we unfortunately have quite a lot of right wingers too but it's seems to be less of them and they seem way less stubborn with their position. A bit more open minded.
Also the whole spectrum is shifted in Germany. Your Democratic party would be seen as very conservative and almost right leaning in Germany (except for Bernie maybe, he would be leaning slightly to the left). Your Republican party would be an extreme right party.
It's difficult to say, but they're definitely overrepresented both online and in the news. They're definitely a minority, the Republican party knows this and it's why they fight so hard to maintain control, but other context in the country makes it hard to say how much of a minority they are. Conservatives generally make up the areas of the country with the lowest population density, with cities running very much in the opposite direction. And a big part of Republican policy is convincing voters to vote against their own interests. I've seen stats that say that 60% of the population is more left-leaning than the government at any time. But we also have very low voter turnout here due to things like disenfranchisement and gerrymandering. Without that and things like the Electoral College, Republicans would never hold enough seats to hold any real power ever again. Trump actually got noticeably less votes in 2024 than he did in 2016 - it's just that the Dems got way less votes and the Electoral College that allowed him to win.
As for the political spectrum here, I'd argue that the spectrum in Germany (and the rest of Europe) is normal, while the spectrum here is so shifted to the right that it's unhealthy. And it's gotten way worse just in my lifetime. Trump's party called the Republican party of the 90s communists for their policies. Back then, the two parties largely disagreed on the details of policy, though there has always been the bigoted side of the Republicans. It wasn't until the country elected a black man to office that things really went off the deep end. The Democrats every year say that they have to court some mythical moderate Republican to vote for them or else they won't win, so they shift to the right and disenfranchise the left. But that's not how Republicans operate, especially anymore. They no longer care about policy but about hurting Democrats, so they'd never vote for them anyway.
It's also important to note that Bernie isn't even really a Democrat, he just runs with them because they're the closest to being a leftwing party. The Democrats don't want him, he's too leftist for them.
It's worse and worse the more you think about it...
George Floyd was murdered by the police, a group that's supposed to protect and serve the public. George himself contributed money to their salaries (as we all do), and they killed him in cold blood as he begged for his life.
We don't know why Charlie was shot, but the biggotry and hatred he permeated far and wide into this country is his legacy. Imagine leaving this sort of quote (below) behind. What a legacy to leave...
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
Charlie Kirk (Oct. 12, 2022)
He then died in the middle of a "debate" where he was incinuating that all trans people are violent and disturbed.
“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”
Captain G. M. Gilbert, the Army psychologist assigned to watching the defendants at the Nuremberg trials
More importantly, he tried to purchase something with a counterfeit $20 bill. Which we all know is far worse than all the deaths Charlie Kirk was directly responsible for.
No he legally tried to purchase something with a 2 dollar bills. And the dumb fuck cashier or whatnot thought they were fake. That is the way I heard it.
But did he wish them harm? Was the woman pregnant? Did he actually point a gun at anyone? What were the charges for his 5 year sentence? Does it justify being choked to death in the street by police?
the kind of respect that the right demands is the respect of an authority and superior. the maximum respect that the right gives is the respect of a human. but if you're in the out-group then more is demanded of you and less is given. it's very contradictory but also self-consistent because they truly feel superior, and truly feel you are subhuman. you don't need to bow down to subhuman logic if you are of the superior species.
Fascists are the special snowflakes they complain about. I'd say they're bipolar but that'd be an insult to bipolar people since some are aware of their issues.
I gotta say, cheering on the death of somebody you hate is one thing. Cheering on the death of a poor drug addict murdered by police is a very special kind of evil.
Damn. Not that I needed convincing, but whoever thinks she's making sense needs to see this.
And they all do that. Consistency, truth, facts, actual opinions - nah, it's all about whipping up the crowd, telling them which side they're on and making sure that everybody who steps over the line is othered.
The screenshot won't look right unless there's a PARTY under the comment full of happy people replying to each other nested so deep it looks like half of a CHRISTMAS TREE! Like the one we're gonna use to celebrate the blood sacrifice of a human man for the greater good of all!
Lauren Loomer can suck my fat cock. I can't say how I really feel on Reddit, but this thread looks to be a good p
Ace to do so.
Charlie Kirk's killing has terrified MAGA leaders. Brian Thompson's killing didn't faze them because it wasn't politically motivated. This one, however, has them shook. Especially because they have no fu king clue who did it.
I hope the saint who killed this ghoul learned from Luigi's mistakes and has made a smart getaway. That photo they're passing around of a guy in a hat and glasses without so much as a chin won't get them anywhere. These fucks have no empathy, so the only way to make them change how they treat us is to make them afraid of us.
What I really expect is that Kirk will be the Archduke Ferdinand of Civil War II. CA, OR, & WA have already formed an alliance against the vaccine fuckery and the rest HHS, but I have a suspicion that it's the foundation of those three will secede before the end of 2026. Especially when we see the midterm election fuckery.
That's why I said it here. My 10+ year old Reddit account was permabanned when I said I saw nothing wrong with that guy burning Teslas. And all my alts. And my IP address, because any new account I tried to make with different email addresses.
It's not that I necessarily celebrate his death, but I celebrate that the danger he posed to an inclusive and peaceful society has been mitigated for good.
Whoever claims that this is no reason to celebrate, is an evil person.
One aspect of this that has been insane is people framing his racism and bigotry as just different opinions. His whole existence was funding and bring harm to marginalized people anyway possible. Not all violence is physical.
the Overton window has shifted so far right that racism went from unacceptable to fringe but acceptable.
look at all the propaganda memes depicting anti-racists as only having white friends, and racists as having PoC friends they jokingly razz. they're trying to rehabilitate overt racism.
Funny how this outrage against violence and death was no where to be found when "peaceful tourists" bludgeoned a cop to death. Was no where to be found when a democrats husband was beaten with hammers. Was no where to be found when elected democrat was almost kidnapped to be tortured/killed/god only know what else, wasnt there for the literal assassination of democrat and spouse and the attempted assassination of another..
But now that the hate they spread and stoked has come home to roost for one of their own, suddenly its righteous and indignant outrage over anyone refusing to fall to their knees and wail to the sky about the supposed injustice of it all. Wailing in need for empathy (that they describe as evil and unchristian), Wailing in need for decorum (Which they never show to others), Wailing in the need for sympathy for "pointless" murder (Which they've never cared about when it came to school children's murders).
and despite the tears and wails of sorrow coming out of one side of their mouth, out of the other side they are still stoking violence and spewing hatred. Calling for mass executions of democrats, saying if trump doesnt act than they will, Calling for anyone who isnt part of the group think to be condemned to prison or exile.. while blaming everyone but themselves for any of this.
The hypocrisy is almost as repugnant as their everyday policies and personalities are.
And to think, Russia accomplished all this with a few gifs they created on a washing machine CPU. Truly dark times we live in. How do they wash their clothes now anyway?
Let me quote your idol's second favorite book, Laura:
“good publicity is preferable to bad, but from a bottom-line perspective, bad publicity is sometimes better than no publicity at all. Controversy, in short, sells.”
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
You, your boy DJT here and hell, even Charlie Kirk himself, got famous by acting like complete fucking ghouls. "Making people famous" for acting ghoulishly won't have the effect you think it will.
I not only celebrate Kirk’s death and the manner in which it happened, but I also continue to hope that there will be many copycats. I don’t want social conservatives to feel safe anywhere in public. I want them to be terrorized.
Careful what you wish for.
When Reinhard Heydrich was killed in an attack by Czech resistance fighters the Nazis imposed martial law over the whole country for two months, arrested 3000 people, executed 1300. Additionally they burnt two villages to the ground, executed the entire male population, all women went to concentration camps and all but 9 children in those villages where murdered.
Don't get me wrong, I relish in the thought that Heydrich died like a dog and I'd say it was the right thing to do, just as I will absolutely not shed a tear for that shit stain Kirk, but the price can be very very high and those lunatics will retribute, cruel and senseless.
edit: holy cow forgot the most essential word in my comment, I will not shed a tear for that shit stain Kirk. I will not!
I definitely agree with everything you wrote in your second paragraph, it's that first part I take issue with. The American fascist movement is going full steam ahead with their Nazi shit, and would do so regardless of Charlie Kirk getting murdered.
Will they try to make a martyr out of him? Of course they will.
I however disagree with the notion that Nazis wouldn't be Nazis if opposition "took the high road" and debated the Nazis instead of responding to their violence in kind. The Nazis are gonna do Nazi shit regardless, and their justifications will always be bullshit.
Do you truly think the Nazis wouldn't have imposed martial law if it weren't for that assassination?
I however disagree with the notion that Nazis wouldn't be Nazis if opposition "took the high road" and debated the Nazis instead of responding to their violence in kind. The Nazis are gonna do Nazi shit regardless, and their justifications will always be bullshit.
Do you truly think the Nazis wouldn't have imposed martial law if it weren't for that assassination?
Again, I don't see how you get there? I did not say anything like that? I did not say to take the high road, I did not say that the fascists would leave you alone? I said that fascists disproportionately will escalate violence in reaction, I did not qualify that one way or the other.
I am just reminding, that there will be a price to pay, and that it will be expensive and that it is not fun or glorious to be in that position.
Do you truly think the Nazis wouldn't have imposed martial law if it weren't for that assassination?
Well, I this specific case they actually didn't... Martial law was declared from May 27th 1942 (the day of the assassination) until July 3rd 1942. So 37 days after the assassination the martial law over Czech was lifted again so there is a pretty clear connection as retribution to the assassination.
I'm not saying fascists aren't cruel, I'm saying they will be cruel regardless of any reactions from opponents. Will it maybe give them an excuse to accelerate their cruelness? Sure. But there's no doubt that their reaction to Kirk's murder will be to implement cruelty that they were already planning on implementing.
I'm not a fan of violence, but the right hasn't given us a choice. It's like if a woman got raped after slapping a guy harassing her in a bar. The rapist was gonna rape regardless, and the fascists are gonna be fascists regardless. It's victim-blaming.
Finding people who hate you and at least have some affinity for violence, and then ostracizing them so they have little left to lose might have a backfiring effect I think. Maybe that's what she wants.
She's gonna spend her time making people who celebrate Charlie's death miserable. I'll tell you what she won't do though. She won't speak publicly without some glass in front of her.
Anyone realize that Charlie Kirk is already being forgotten?
Most people rightly remember him as an asshole. Whatever good he did is outweighed by the evil and hate he peddled.
Conservatives are calling for war, like always, because a really nice guy was killed for sharing opinions: making up reality like always. Who was this nice guy named Kirk?
The real Charlie Kirk has been silenced and immediately memory holed. Like I'm going to believe Charlie Kirk is a martyr when conservatives marked me for death for CRT and "trans ideology." They rally behind the dumbest shit. Can a conservative who has no morals even have a martyr figure?
She might feel fear, which is deserved, but I was more referring to the people responding to her threat with her own words to seemingly achieve the same result she's after.
That stuff doesn't work on them especially when they don't need a job since Reich wing propaganda is their job. :/
She says find, not found, she's not talking in past tense, she hasn't found anyone yet, she just knows this is going to happen, what would make you so entirely sure this was definitely going to happen. And I absolutely bet she wouldn't change her behavior and stop celebrating the deaths of people she doesn't like or agree with or are the wrong demographic, in her opinion. Honestly, someone posting like this, would make me call out to everyone, to get on it. Take all of her sleep away from her.
People condemning "political violence" and sending "thoughts and prays" to Kirk are really telling on themselves that they only care when a peer who shares their class interests even if they occasionally cared dies.
It's not even peers sharing class interests that they care about. It's sharing the interests of their superiors to the detriment of their own, and the gullibile idea that it acktually helps themselves because they're due to also become one of wealthy. It's nothing more than class worship.
Did she really spend her night doing that? Or maybe just downing a few glasses of wine and some prescription meds (wink, wink) and doing whatever nasty people do? We may never know.
Why would she care anyway? Were they BFFs or something?
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ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 429 pts · 339d
Shout out to Charlie Kirk for not saying anything racist for a whole day
nozone@sh.itjust.works · 61 pts · 339d
He also hasn't lost a debate in that timeframe. New personal best.
mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca · 30 pts · 339d
somebody needs to make that a website
days since he lost a debate
13igTyme@piefed.social · 12 pts · 339d
Real time fact checking.
ChicoSuave@lemmy.world · 58 pts · 339d
He didn't get but halfway
ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml · 67 pts · 339d
You're right, we know the moment he last said something racist with exact precision cause he was doing it as his neck sprung a leak.
Unless he managed to gurgle something racist at the paramedics, but I think that's unlikely.
samus12345@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 339d
"b-b-bullet...was...woke..." dies
MBech@feddit.dk · 23 pts · 339d
Based on the video it's unlikely he even felt it. Pity.
Korne127@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 339d
Can someone with an account please comment that under there
MrSilkworm@lemmy.ml · 27 pts · 339d
I wouldn't comment on that platform, even if it was important.
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 201 pts · 339d
Like... Really?
What the fuck is wrong with this broad? That's abhorrent.
Not to mention the 30,000 sickos who liked this of course...
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 110 pts · 339d
It's actually, sadly, quite easy. In her mind there are no shades of grey, no systems, no circumstances. There are people who are Good People and people who are Bad People, and which people are which is self-evident and not as related to their actions as you might think. It's just a case of identity. They're Good when they do bad things, and Bad People are bad even when occasionally doing good.
And so celebrating the death of a Bad Person is honorable, obviously, and celebrating the death of a Good Person is sickening and deplorable. Clearly.
And if I agreed that this was the way the world was, I'd probably agree with her. Unfortunately for me, that seems fucking nuts.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 16 pts · 339d
Oh yea the "Good Person" who literally died the moment he was using outright lies to denigrate trans people and minorities - whom he felt should be eradicated, just as Hitler did.
frezik@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 339d
That's all part of it. Those people all fit under "bad people", and it's up to "good people" to protect society from them.
It makes more "sense" if you think of Jack Bauer as being a guide to morality.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 338d
Right exactly! Like the sibling comment says, in their minds Trans people are Bad. You can tell because "they're sick". (I don't believe this, I'm mimicking this mindset). Minorities are Bad. You can tell because they don't have money, they do different stuff than I do, which is Good stuff, and they do crimes and are bad parents or whatever. Doesn't matter what.
So anyway, this Knight of Justice, Paragon of Good, was out there saying the Good People are being passed over in favour of the Bad People, which is obviously unacceptable. And that the problems with society aren't caused by Good People, they're caused by Bad People. And then right in the middle of his speech, a Bad Person shoots and kills him! How do we know they were a Bad Person without knowing who they are? It's self-evident because no Good Person would kill another Good Person.
This is like if Superman died, and then the credits rolled! That's not the way this is meant to go! This is an afront to nature! This is a tragedy. To them.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 15 pts · 339d
I mean this dynamic is not only found on the right. Many Lemmings seem to be caught up in the same mode of thinking.
I hope we can all agree that people suffering and dying, in isolation, is bad. Obviously the implications of a death can vary widely and that’s where things get complicated. But the basic moral principle should be widely shared.
krashmo@lemmy.world · 13 pts · 339d
I think the current moral question society is wrestling with is along those lines. Something to the effect of, how removed from the outcome of a decision does one need to be in order to absolve themselves of responsibility for that outcome? Essentially, why is it OK for a CEO or a President to cause thousands of deaths by signing a piece of paper but not OK for that same person to go out and shoot those thousand people one at a time? The outcome is the same there's just more obfuscation along the way in the first case. The greed motivation seems to be the difference. The CEO isn't usually killing people because he wants them dead, he's doing it because he views them as acceptable casualties in his quest to make money.
Charlie Kirk is a great example of that phenomenon as well. He may not have directly shot anybody but he undoubtedly influenced people towards doing exactly that. To what degree should he bear the blame for their actions? He certainly didn't do it in complete ignorance of the possibility that people could die but does the separation from the actual crime make his actions morally acceptable? Does it make any difference if his motivations were money and power as opposed to bigotry and hatred?
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 8 pts · 339d
To me, diffuse harm is very obviously just as bad, but it is more difficult to quantify and fix. Furthermore, these types of harms are not comparable to a mass shooter where the danger is ended by killing or capturing them. The harms are produced by systems. Does killing Charlie Kirk end the harms he committed or will the billionaires propping him up simply replace him with another identical mouthpiece?
Individual assassinations don’t usually solve systemic problems.
psycotica0@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 338d
True! It's not unique to the right, but I do think it shows up there a lot. It's a very Objective view of the world (there is a Right and Wrong, outside of culture), and there's more objectivity on the right, and more subjectivity on the left. Not universally, but more.
I think the way this manifests on the left is actually pretty different, perhaps even the opposite, to the way it shows up on at least the current right.
The current right has Good People who can do no Bad, no matter how much wrong they do. So they can get away with a lot, even in the face of overwhelming evidence, and their base will support them anyway because they're still a Good Person.
Whereas on the left we're maybe a bit quick to dismiss someone outright, or lose the forest for the trees, because we think of ourselves as the side of Morality. So there can be a person who does a lot of good, and seems like a Good Person, and then one thing can come out about them, maybe not even a substantiated thing. Maybe something they did 25 years ago, that they would never do today, and in an instant everyone has flipped on them. You see, people are either Good People or Bad People, and if you've done a Bad thing, you must not have been a Good Person afterall! You were a Bad Person in disguise! Thank goodness we caught you and ousted you, so we can continue to be the side of only Good People.
Shouldn't we be the side of spectrums? Of forgiveness? Of growth, and healing, and learning, and rehabilitation? Grace and second chances?
I mean, don't get fooled over and over by the same grifter, but there could at least be some room to say oops, sorry, and then do better going forwards.
LibertyLizard@slrpnk.net · 1 pts · 338d
Great points, I think you’re spot on with the differences.
VubDapple@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 339d
Borderline Personality Disorder (BPD)
roguetrick@lemmy.world · 9 pts · 339d
Splitting isn't BPD specific, but it is heavily associated with all cluster B disorders.
Tollana1234567@lemmy.today · 1 pts · 338d
SAW loomer syndrome.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 339d
But why? Is it intelligence related or genetic or learned? Can it be cured? Does punching them help or make it worse?
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 338d
Considering studies have shown that conservatives have, on average, smaller parts of the brain that are related to things like empathy and higher rates of aggressive personality disorders and the like, I'd say all of the above. Bigotry is learned, not natural, but people are also emotion based and don't like to be proven wrong, so facts and logic don't really convince many people. It's why so many conservatives only change their opinions when it happens to them, and why so many who do have it happen to them continue to do the thing that hurts them.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 338d
So you think there is no cure besides letting it happen to themselves?
Maybe Trump is a good thing then because so far it seems he doesn't mind to betray his own supporters.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 337d
It's always a very case by case kind of situation, but I'd say don't expect them to change their opinions. Even the ones who aren't in it because they were already bigots.
Trump runs a cult, and after a certain point of commitment to a cult, it becomes basically impossible to get someone out because of the sunk cost fallacy of making it their entire personality and having to admit what they did in service to the cult was wrong.
affenlehrer@feddit.org · 1 pts · 337d
Are there truly so many of them in the US or are they just super active in the (social) media? I live in Germany and we unfortunately have quite a lot of right wingers too but it's seems to be less of them and they seem way less stubborn with their position. A bit more open minded.
Also the whole spectrum is shifted in Germany. Your Democratic party would be seen as very conservative and almost right leaning in Germany (except for Bernie maybe, he would be leaning slightly to the left). Your Republican party would be an extreme right party.
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 337d
It's difficult to say, but they're definitely overrepresented both online and in the news. They're definitely a minority, the Republican party knows this and it's why they fight so hard to maintain control, but other context in the country makes it hard to say how much of a minority they are. Conservatives generally make up the areas of the country with the lowest population density, with cities running very much in the opposite direction. And a big part of Republican policy is convincing voters to vote against their own interests. I've seen stats that say that 60% of the population is more left-leaning than the government at any time. But we also have very low voter turnout here due to things like disenfranchisement and gerrymandering. Without that and things like the Electoral College, Republicans would never hold enough seats to hold any real power ever again. Trump actually got noticeably less votes in 2024 than he did in 2016 - it's just that the Dems got way less votes and the Electoral College that allowed him to win.
As for the political spectrum here, I'd argue that the spectrum in Germany (and the rest of Europe) is normal, while the spectrum here is so shifted to the right that it's unhealthy. And it's gotten way worse just in my lifetime. Trump's party called the Republican party of the 90s communists for their policies. Back then, the two parties largely disagreed on the details of policy, though there has always been the bigoted side of the Republicans. It wasn't until the country elected a black man to office that things really went off the deep end. The Democrats every year say that they have to court some mythical moderate Republican to vote for them or else they won't win, so they shift to the right and disenfranchise the left. But that's not how Republicans operate, especially anymore. They no longer care about policy but about hurting Democrats, so they'd never vote for them anyway.
It's also important to note that Bernie isn't even really a Democrat, he just runs with them because they're the closest to being a leftwing party. The Democrats don't want him, he's too leftist for them.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 338d
Systemic defunding of education, and the denigration of critical thinking as a concept.
NOT_RICK@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 339d
Not enough time in the day to unpack that, friend
Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works · 23 pts · 339d
It's worse and worse the more you think about it...
George Floyd was murdered by the police, a group that's supposed to protect and serve the public. George himself contributed money to their salaries (as we all do), and they killed him in cold blood as he begged for his life.
We don't know why Charlie was shot, but the biggotry and hatred he permeated far and wide into this country is his legacy. Imagine leaving this sort of quote (below) behind. What a legacy to leave...
"I can't stand the word empathy, actually. I think empathy is a made-up, new age term that — it does a lot of damage."
He then died in the middle of a "debate" where he was incinuating that all trans people are violent and disturbed.
saimen@feddit.org · 23 pts · 339d
“In my work with the defendants (at the Nuremberg Trails 1945-1949) I was searching for the nature of evil and I now think I have come close to defining it. A lack of empathy. It’s the one characteristic that connects all the defendants, a genuine incapacity to feel with their fellow men. Evil, I think, is the absence of empathy.”
Sibshops@lemmy.myserv.one · 128 pts · 339d
An important distinction is that George Floyd didn't wish harm on people.
marighost@piefed.social · 31 pts · 339d
Ah, but he was a criminal! So it's obviously worse. Hope this helps.
(/s)
StupidBrotherInLaw@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 339d
Don't forget that he was black, so a gang member too!
/s²
yeather@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 339d
Didn’t he rob a pregnant woman at gunpoint?
crunchy@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 339d
More importantly, he tried to purchase something with a counterfeit $20 bill. Which we all know is far worse than all the deaths Charlie Kirk was directly responsible for.
Fredselfish@lemmy.world · 16 pts · 339d
No he legally tried to purchase something with a 2 dollar bills. And the dumb fuck cashier or whatnot thought they were fake. That is the way I heard it.
Mexigore@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
I'm quite uninformed about Charlie Kirk, could you give me more info or/and sources about the deaths he is directly responsible for?
apftwb@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 339d
But did he wish them harm? Was the woman pregnant? Did he actually point a gun at anyone? What were the charges for his 5 year sentence? Does it justify being choked to death in the street by police?
Let's turn to our 8 panelists to discuss.
DylanMc6@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 240d
do you support charlie kirk?
elbiter@lemmy.world · 122 pts · 339d
Ah, the double standards of fascists: they can be absolute cunts, but everyone must be super nice and considerate to them.
baguettefish@discuss.tchncs.de · 35 pts · 339d
the kind of respect that the right demands is the respect of an authority and superior. the maximum respect that the right gives is the respect of a human. but if you're in the out-group then more is demanded of you and less is given. it's very contradictory but also self-consistent because they truly feel superior, and truly feel you are subhuman. you don't need to bow down to subhuman logic if you are of the superior species.
elbiter@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 339d
So... They're basically batshit crazy?
NocturnalMorning@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 339d
The word i like to use is bigot.
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 28 pts · 339d
Fascists are the special snowflakes they complain about. I'd say they're bipolar but that'd be an insult to bipolar people since some are aware of their issues.
Wilco@lemmy.zip · 15 pts · 338d
They are sociopaths that have no empathy. Probably why the big headed freak got neck shot.
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works · 13 pts · 339d
One of my best friends is bipolar and he is leagues more sane than these dipshits
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 4 pts · 338d
Fascism and similar forms of "extreme conservatism" are all about being part of the in-group, vs the out-group. Always.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 100 pts · 339d
I gotta say, cheering on the death of somebody you hate is one thing. Cheering on the death of a poor drug addict murdered by police is a very special kind of evil.
saimen@feddit.org · 17 pts · 339d
But he was black, so she was hating him as well.
SkunkWorkz@lemmy.world · 80 pts · 339d
Getting shunned by MAGAs, Republicunts and DINOs is a net positive in a person’s quality of life.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 3 pts · 338d
This is a great quote.
(the internet says it originates with Rick and Morty and nobody before that)
LustyArgonianMana@lemmy.world · 72 pts · 338d
Interesting, because some are speculating that it was one of her supporters that got him, since she essentially called him out last week.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 19 pts · 338d
Damn. Not that I needed convincing, but whoever thinks she's making sense needs to see this.
And they all do that. Consistency, truth, facts, actual opinions - nah, it's all about whipping up the crowd, telling them which side they're on and making sure that everybody who steps over the line is othered.
If that isn't fascism I don't know what is.
MrVilliam@sh.itjust.works · 68 pts · 339d
So much for the war on cancel culture.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 46 pts · 339d
No, no. You misunderstand. Cancel culture is when the left does it. When conservatives do it, it's just getting justice.
danc4498@lemmy.world · 28 pts · 339d
They have ALWAYS been hypocrites. Cancel culture, wokeness, the fucking national debt, inflation… these have only ever been applied to democrats.
HulkSmashBurgers@reddthat.com · 66 pts · 339d
I'm sure she tweeted the same thing a few months back when those democratic politicans were assinated right? RIGHT?
ThePantser@sh.itjust.works · 54 pts · 339d
Charlie Kirk is dead!
Am I famous yet?
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 11 pts · 339d
I want to be in the screenshot too
Zink@programming.dev · 3 pts · 339d
The screenshot won't look right unless there's a PARTY under the comment full of happy people replying to each other nested so deep it looks like half of a CHRISTMAS TREE! Like the one we're gonna use to celebrate the blood sacrifice of a human man for the greater good of all!
garretble@lemmy.world · 48 pts · 339d
Reminder that she's only like 32 years old, but you wouldn't know by any photo you have ever seen of her.
Hope@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 339d
Wtf
toomanypancakes@piefed.world · 16 pts · 339d
No fucking way, she looks 48
That's wild, hate really does age you.
SexualPolytope@lemmy.sdf.org · 13 pts · 339d
Inordinate amount of hatred does that.
ODuffer@lemmy.world · 45 pts · 339d
Shot through the neck and you're to blame, you give Trump a bad name 🎶
AngryCommieKender@lemmy.world · 21 pts · 339d
You played your part, and they played their game,
Charlie
You give Trump a bad name.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 338d
Lauren Loomer can suck my fat cock. I can't say how I really feel on Reddit, but this thread looks to be a good p Ace to do so.
Charlie Kirk's killing has terrified MAGA leaders. Brian Thompson's killing didn't faze them because it wasn't politically motivated. This one, however, has them shook. Especially because they have no fu king clue who did it.
I hope the saint who killed this ghoul learned from Luigi's mistakes and has made a smart getaway. That photo they're passing around of a guy in a hat and glasses without so much as a chin won't get them anywhere. These fucks have no empathy, so the only way to make them change how they treat us is to make them afraid of us.
What I really expect is that Kirk will be the Archduke Ferdinand of Civil War II. CA, OR, & WA have already formed an alliance against the vaccine fuckery and the rest HHS, but I have a suspicion that it's the foundation of those three will secede before the end of 2026. Especially when we see the midterm election fuckery.
A_norny_mousse@feddit.org · 13 pts · 338d
Honestly, I'd shrivel.
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
She'd have to wear a Jackie Kennedy mask.
Zozano@aussie.zone · 8 pts · 338d
Speaking of ghoul, who's face is Laura Loomer wearing?
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Ivanna Trump's
Soup@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Some people started accusing a nearly 80yo guy from Toronto lol, they’re desperate and stupid.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
They are also desperate to control the narrative.
hence why murdoch backed media ran that stupid obviously false story about the bullets being engraved with "trans antifa leftist manifestos"
pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 338d
Good thing you're on Lemmy cause this wouldn't be allowed on Reddit
AngryRobot@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 337d
That's why I said it here. My 10+ year old Reddit account was permabanned when I said I saw nothing wrong with that guy burning Teslas. And all my alts. And my IP address, because any new account I tried to make with different email addresses.
Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world · 38 pts · 339d
She’s gonna make everyone who celebrated his death famous?
Guess Andy Warhol was right
ExtremeDullard@piefed.social · 27 pts · 339d
She's gonna have a longer night of work than Santa Claus.
zergtoshi@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 339d
It's not that I necessarily celebrate his death, but I celebrate that the danger he posed to an inclusive and peaceful society has been mitigated for good.
Whoever claims that this is no reason to celebrate, is an evil person.
Suavevillain@lemmy.world · 36 pts · 338d
One aspect of this that has been insane is people framing his racism and bigotry as just different opinions. His whole existence was funding and bring harm to marginalized people anyway possible. Not all violence is physical.
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 9 pts · 338d
the Overton window has shifted so far right that racism went from unacceptable to fringe but acceptable.
look at all the propaganda memes depicting anti-racists as only having white friends, and racists as having PoC friends they jokingly razz. they're trying to rehabilitate overt racism.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 338d
This is the logical result of years (decades) of the media sane washing these horrific opinions and worldviews.
A_Random_Idiot@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 338d
Funny how this outrage against violence and death was no where to be found when "peaceful tourists" bludgeoned a cop to death. Was no where to be found when a democrats husband was beaten with hammers. Was no where to be found when elected democrat was almost kidnapped to be tortured/killed/god only know what else, wasnt there for the literal assassination of democrat and spouse and the attempted assassination of another..
But now that the hate they spread and stoked has come home to roost for one of their own, suddenly its righteous and indignant outrage over anyone refusing to fall to their knees and wail to the sky about the supposed injustice of it all. Wailing in need for empathy (that they describe as evil and unchristian), Wailing in need for decorum (Which they never show to others), Wailing in the need for sympathy for "pointless" murder (Which they've never cared about when it came to school children's murders).
and despite the tears and wails of sorrow coming out of one side of their mouth, out of the other side they are still stoking violence and spewing hatred. Calling for mass executions of democrats, saying if trump doesnt act than they will, Calling for anyone who isnt part of the group think to be condemned to prison or exile.. while blaming everyone but themselves for any of this.
The hypocrisy is almost as repugnant as their everyday policies and personalities are.
Tiger666@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 338d
So eloquently put. Thank you for wording our thoughts into reality.
HugeNerd@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 337d
And to think, Russia accomplished all this with a few gifs they created on a washing machine CPU. Truly dark times we live in. How do they wash their clothes now anyway?
athairmor@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 339d
She plays a similar role to Charlie Kirk in the whole fascist agenda and is about as approachable. She should be careful.
aesthelete@lemmy.world · 35 pts · 339d
Let me quote your idol's second favorite book, Laura:
― Donald J. Trump, Trump: The Art of the Deal
You, your boy DJT here and hell, even Charlie Kirk himself, got famous by acting like complete fucking ghouls. "Making people famous" for acting ghoulishly won't have the effect you think it will.
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works · 10 pts · 339d
Yeah trumps illiterate ass definitely wrote that book
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 5 pts · 338d
I mean, the real writer is credited on the cover. That's not too bad for a ghostwritten memoir. The writer had... things... to say about it though.
lmdnw@lemmy.world · 33 pts · 339d
I not only celebrate Kirk’s death and the manner in which it happened, but I also continue to hope that there will be many copycats. I don’t want social conservatives to feel safe anywhere in public. I want them to be terrorized.
Captainvaqina@sh.itjust.works · 18 pts · 339d
It's about time they reap what they sow.
Lupus@feddit.org · 0 pts · 339d
Careful what you wish for. When Reinhard Heydrich was killed in an attack by Czech resistance fighters the Nazis imposed martial law over the whole country for two months, arrested 3000 people, executed 1300. Additionally they burnt two villages to the ground, executed the entire male population, all women went to concentration camps and all but 9 children in those villages where murdered.
Don't get me wrong, I relish in the thought that Heydrich died like a dog and I'd say it was the right thing to do, just as I will absolutely not shed a tear for that shit stain Kirk, but the price can be very very high and those lunatics will retribute, cruel and senseless.
edit: holy cow forgot the most essential word in my comment, I will not shed a tear for that shit stain Kirk. I will not!
Evkob@lemmy.ca · 15 pts · 339d
Wow if only the Czech resistance didn't kill that dude, we could have avoided the Holocaust! The real fascists are the ones resisting fascism.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 338d
Oh come on, theirs was a completely measured, and perfectly reasonable response
Lupus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 338d
Is what I said.
I don't know how you got from that to your comment.
All I was saying is that the fascist will retribute cruel, unreasonably and disproportionately.
Maybe there's some phrase I misused, English is not my mother tongue, but I still feel that your facetious comment misses my point completely.
Evkob@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 338d
I definitely agree with everything you wrote in your second paragraph, it's that first part I take issue with. The American fascist movement is going full steam ahead with their Nazi shit, and would do so regardless of Charlie Kirk getting murdered.
Will they try to make a martyr out of him? Of course they will.
I however disagree with the notion that Nazis wouldn't be Nazis if opposition "took the high road" and debated the Nazis instead of responding to their violence in kind. The Nazis are gonna do Nazi shit regardless, and their justifications will always be bullshit.
Do you truly think the Nazis wouldn't have imposed martial law if it weren't for that assassination?
Lupus@feddit.org · 1 pts · 338d
Again, I don't see how you get there? I did not say anything like that? I did not say to take the high road, I did not say that the fascists would leave you alone? I said that fascists disproportionately will escalate violence in reaction, I did not qualify that one way or the other.
I am just reminding, that there will be a price to pay, and that it will be expensive and that it is not fun or glorious to be in that position.
Well, I this specific case they actually didn't... Martial law was declared from May 27th 1942 (the day of the assassination) until July 3rd 1942. So 37 days after the assassination the martial law over Czech was lifted again so there is a pretty clear connection as retribution to the assassination.
Evkob@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 338d
I'm not saying fascists aren't cruel, I'm saying they will be cruel regardless of any reactions from opponents. Will it maybe give them an excuse to accelerate their cruelness? Sure. But there's no doubt that their reaction to Kirk's murder will be to implement cruelty that they were already planning on implementing.
I'm not a fan of violence, but the right hasn't given us a choice. It's like if a woman got raped after slapping a guy harassing her in a bar. The rapist was gonna rape regardless, and the fascists are gonna be fascists regardless. It's victim-blaming.
vin@lemmynsfw.com · 1 pts · 338d
They might have done that regardless of retribution being a rationale.
pyre@lemmy.world · 30 pts · 338d
I'd rather open my mouth than my neck, jigsaw cunt. nazi lives don't matter, fuck you.
Denjin@feddit.uk · 22 pts · 339d
She can add me to the list, he sounds like a right cunt and the world is better with him out of it.
MourningDove@lemmy.zip · 20 pts · 338d
missfrizzle@discuss.tchncs.de · 11 pts · 338d
there's so many examples of this kind of thing. Richard Spencer and Nick Fuentes are other examples.
AniZaeger@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
And every one of them are probably wondering if they're next, and when.
Lucky_777@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 338d
She sucked the little mushroom. Made her magical in MAGA world.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 338d
Make your face look plastic and literally suck the dictator's dick, and I guess you'll go a long way.
apftwb@lemmy.world · 20 pts · 339d
I'm going out on a limb here and guessing she is a free speech absolutist
birdwing@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 7 pts · 339d
Her opening her mouth would require people wear a gas mask, for how terrible her words smell.
Carmakazi@lemmy.world · 19 pts · 339d
Finding people who hate you and at least have some affinity for violence, and then ostracizing them so they have little left to lose might have a backfiring effect I think. Maybe that's what she wants.
DarkDecay@lemmy.world · 18 pts · 339d
Well said! The "eat a dick bitch" part that is
lemmylump@lemmy.world · 14 pts · 338d
Here's a screenshot and fuck you Laura you cunt.
Treetrimmer@sh.itjust.works · 14 pts · 339d
Do it bitch, I have no career prospects anyways so jokes on you
molestme247@lemmy.world · 12 pts · 339d
Aceticon@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 12 pts · 339d
Respect is a Social Contract, not a Right.
Diplomjodler3@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 339d
I think the world is a better place without this despicable piece of shit. When do I get famous ? Should I get an agent?
Supervisor194@lemmy.world · 11 pts · 339d
She's gonna spend her time making people who celebrate Charlie's death miserable. I'll tell you what she won't do though. She won't speak publicly without some glass in front of her.
mhague@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 338d
Anyone realize that Charlie Kirk is already being forgotten?
Most people rightly remember him as an asshole. Whatever good he did is outweighed by the evil and hate he peddled.
Conservatives are calling for war, like always, because a really nice guy was killed for sharing opinions: making up reality like always. Who was this nice guy named Kirk?
The real Charlie Kirk has been silenced and immediately memory holed. Like I'm going to believe Charlie Kirk is a martyr when conservatives marked me for death for CRT and "trans ideology." They rally behind the dumbest shit. Can a conservative who has no morals even have a martyr figure?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 338d
Sad, pathetic creature.
Asafum@feddit.nl · 9 pts · 339d
Too bad it doesn't affect her in any way whatsoever :/
ButtermilkBiscuit@feddit.nl · 15 pts · 339d
It should tho. She occupies the same space as KKKirk and should fear for her own safety every time she's in public now. Good.
Asafum@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 339d
She might feel fear, which is deserved, but I was more referring to the people responding to her threat with her own words to seemingly achieve the same result she's after.
That stuff doesn't work on them especially when they don't need a job since Reich wing propaganda is their job. :/
LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 9 pts · 338d
She says find, not found, she's not talking in past tense, she hasn't found anyone yet, she just knows this is going to happen, what would make you so entirely sure this was definitely going to happen. And I absolutely bet she wouldn't change her behavior and stop celebrating the deaths of people she doesn't like or agree with or are the wrong demographic, in her opinion. Honestly, someone posting like this, would make me call out to everyone, to get on it. Take all of her sleep away from her.
porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml · 1 pts · 338d
You imagine she'd actually do what she said? I don't think so. It's all aesthetics. Maybe she'd try to make an example of one or two people.
LavaPlanet@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 338d
Yeah, you're absolutely right, I was just venting my angry feelings.
Gudl@feddit.org · 7 pts · 339d
Eat shit Laura
Doomsider@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 338d
Careful guys, she is going to loomer you.
deacon@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 339d
Listen, creature, it is very much already not in vain. There was never any question of that.
dellish@lemmy.world · 8 pts · 339d
More like very much in artery.
theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 339d
People condemning "political violence" and sending "thoughts and prays" to Kirk are really telling on themselves that they only care when a peer who shares their class interests even if they occasionally cared dies.
pivot_root@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 339d
It's not even peers sharing class interests that they care about. It's sharing the interests of their superiors to the detriment of their own, and the gullibile idea that it acktually helps themselves because they're due to also become one of wealthy. It's nothing more than class worship.
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 338d
I think it's more about self-preservation. It could have been her.
leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 339d
Hah, cute, she thinks we still have aspirations beyond surviving another day, or seeing another fascist get shot.
ScrambledEggs@lazysoci.al · 6 pts · 338d
Didn't she claim to suck off trump?
derry@midwest.social · 6 pts · 339d
Did she really spend her night doing that? Or maybe just downing a few glasses of wine and some prescription meds (wink, wink) and doing whatever nasty people do? We may never know. Why would she care anyway? Were they BFFs or something?
prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 338d
She probably did it like two times before crying herself to sleep
bigbabybilly@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
What a trash bag. Having said that, I don’t celebrate the shooting death of anyone who isn’t an imminent threat to the innocent.
vga@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 338d
What an excellent idea! Make the people who hate you have nothing to lose.
Formfiller@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 338d
Ok jigsaw karen
Cold_Brew_Enema@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 339d
What an ugly fucking cunt
IhaveCrabs111@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 339d
socsa@piefed.social · 4 pts · 339d
Come at me bitch
takeda@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 339d
Never judge a book for its cover unless it is Loomer.
panda_abyss@lemmy.ca · 3 pts · 339d
What an awful thing to say.
Blackmist@feddit.uk · 2 pts · 338d
If you're not already on their watchlist, what the fuck are you even playing at?
psycho_driver@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 338d
She's made a career of it.
MuskyMelon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 335d
Is Jigsaw gonma jigsaw on all of us now?
Liljekonvalj@feddit.org · 1 pts · 337d
How will she have time for every individual post? Isn't this just scare tactics?
halfapage@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 339d
vga@sopuli.xyz · 1 pts · 338d