Roughly how much did you get each drive for? I think it's time I start self hosting but I've got no idea where to start. I travel for work constantly and carrying a few externals isn't a huge deal but it's not ideal either.
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they're a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / âŹ87 EUR). And I'm on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I'm very happy I'm now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I'd be swimming in it, I'd probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don't see what I'd need it for.
You don't even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
If you're in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don't know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array.
You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don't, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You're arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
If you are saying 330 movies is 'hoarding', I don't know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet... fits into about the size of a brick.
Also... you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
âJust in case I need itâ is the principle of hoarding.
a large media library achieves a similar thing a subscription to on-demand streaming achieves: pick a film to watch, and you can immediately press play. there's also a curation aspect. whenever one friend speaks highly of a film, i grab it. then once i have a larger group of friends over for movie night, we just peruse the library until we find something everyone's in the right mood for. whatever we select from that library, i can be confident it'll be received well: it's already been vetted.
i mean it's not that different from the original value proposition for Netflix, only it survives even after they turn off the money faucet.
I don't think there's a c/datahoarder. But that was exactly what the reddit community was called.
The person you're arguing with is likely running a private 'netflix' instance using Jellyfin or Plex.
It's not my cuppa, but I think I have every episode of every season of Below Deck, Love Island, and Bachelor/Bachelorette on my instance.
You start running out of space pretty quickly when a dozen people are using it for their daily media consumption.
composite video waveforms are about a treabyte per vhs tape, I don't think Jellyfin supports playing them but thats an extremely "normal" amount of video content for everyone to have created
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I'm not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today's standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn't use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let's say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That's 4 movies per day, that's 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that's without repeating.
Let's say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
It depends on the quality you're looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That's ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That's not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
Also
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it
There is no point not storing it, you're going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don't need if you find yourself low on space.
My nas started with a pile of old 2-8tb drives I had amassed through the years from fixing computers and upgrading storage of various things. Back then 20tb was crazy. Now I have a nas where a single drive is 18tb and the full array is over 200tb.
I highly encourage anyone to build with whatever you can. Get off streaming, save your money. You can run this shit on a raspberry pi with a 4tb hard drive for under $100, probably way less with a refurb drive and a used pi. Or buy an old ewaste pc for $1-200 and stuff it with drives.
it doesnât need to be a workhorse unless you want to create some monster Jellyfin server that can transcode 8+ uhd remux streams concurrently (and even then it doesnât have to be that crazy, 10th gen intel igpu will handle a lot). But if you genuinely need that many streams youâll probably need a gpu so make sure you get something with a pcie slot of appropriate bandwidth (x16 most likely)
Additionally if you truly want to stuff it full of drives def make sure it has pcie x16 so you can add hba card. Most mobos (especially office pcs and stuff like old dells and thinkcenters) come with like 2-4 sata ports max. Lsi 9300-8i or 16i will add 8 or 16 sata lanes for like $30-50 bucks (though beware of the many counterfeits) and youâll either have to move to a new case ($) or fashion some kind of external drive bay (sff cables running out of host of to whatever drive bay)
This is what I do, 2 different speced 20 TB drives. One NAS speced drive that's actually installed in the PC, and one budget drive that's in an external enclosure and is periodically used for back up. No need to be fancy.
So if you want to watch outside you're home network, the solution is to blow a hole through your firewall and just raw dog the internet through it? Air out your delicious little jelly hole for the world to see?
I wonder how we teach the kids about VPNs? Clearly their favorite brainrot youchubers/twitchies/tiktogglers nordvpn ads aren't getting through........
You really shouldnât port forward Jellyfin. Hell, you really shouldnât port forward anything. A domain is like a dollar per month. Use a reverse proxy with some sort of login gate like Authentik or Authelia.
If youâre only using it for yourself then there are a lot worse things that people do (like downloading apps for websites, using untrusted VPNs, or even just using the web)
Reverse proxy is more advanced and I think someone who needs it wouldnât be worried about ease of use.
Just use a tunneling service like tailscale. Easy as fug to set up, and only people who know your credentials can poke about in your server.
If you remember to disconnect machines other than the server from the VPN when not using them and don't share out the server too much, you don't even have to spend money.
You don't even need to remember to disconnect machines you can have a 100 different clients(is that the right word?) on a tailnet. Honestly it's so sick and amazing it's free
Nope, free allows for up to 3 users and 100 connected devices. And if you run it on your router, the entire network only counts as one device. So for instance, you and two of your friends could all join the same tailnet. Their business model is basically the same as WinRARâs; give it to individual users for free, to get people on board. Then charge corporations to use it at scale, since the individual users already know how to use it.
The only reason I donât personally use it is because my work WiFi blocks outgoing WireGuard connections. And thatâs Tailscaleâs biggest weakness in my experience; They tout themselves as a zero-config VPN, but that means youâre not able to config things if you need to. If I were able to flip over to OpenVPN or IKEv2/IPSec instead of WireGuard, Iâd be fine. But Tailscale doesnât have the ability to do that, because it would require configuration.
Is there a time investment for scanning and importing my library? That's where Plex got me, so much stuff to sort and edit metadata after getting started
Dockstarter with jellyfin + sonarr + radarr + qbittorrent + swag is your friend. I actually found jellyfin easier to setup. Don't have to worry to much that streams are getting transcoded. Setting swag up was some effort though.
All of the *arr apps are for automatic media downloading and organization.
You want all the new seasons of a show?
Just mark that as a 'monitored' show in sonarr. When new episodes are released, sonarr uses your torrent indexer to get the torrent or magnet link and sends that to your torrent downloader. Once the download completes, it renames the file with metadata and puts it into the spot where jellyfin/plex is expecting the file to be.
It's an automation stack for media piracy.
SpaceInvaderOne has a bunch of tutorials on how to set things up if you want to dive into the full self-hosting ocean.
Maybe this is just me but using a torrent through a CLI is something I have not explored at all, I just transfer files back and forth. Seems very useful
You get a cute little user interface to browse through your movies and shows with little posters and information. You also don't have to use a flash drive and move stuff over if you want to watch from your PlayStation or other device. just a browser is enough.
In addition to the UI others have mentioned, I host mine behind a VPN so all my friends can use it over the Internet, too. It gets a decent amount of traffic every week.
Mostly, I've been fed up with music streaming platforms recently, and found that Jellyfin also supports my other media cases. I started with Navidrome, but had a computer running Mint already, so I just ran both side-by-side and find I liked Jellyfin better. They both took like 15 minutes to set up; getting my local VPN running and convincing people to use it was by far the hardest part of the setup.
That all said, I'm a software engineer in my day job, so I had a pretty good idea about how to navigate everything.
Not OP, but each friend gets a different login so that their watch stats donât get convoluted (Jellyfin does this thing where it allows you to pick up where you left off)
If I can just add to what @glinncor@lemmy.world said:
I personally have one so that I don't have to mess around with plugging in any hdmi cables and moving my laptop from where it's docked, I can flick on the server and then it can just be accessed on any tv in the house by anyone.
Neat, navigable UI. Pulls posters, metadata, etc. Can generate "trickplay" images so you've thumbnails when scrolling the progress bar. You can sync playback across connected clients (I mostly use that feature for multi-room music playback). Restrictions by account and/or tags so the little ones don't end up watching Ichi the Killer, SalĂł, your complete Cronenberg collection, or that library you created populated by a script routinely checking the e621 API for the latest animation uploads.
Runs in browser and on clients for Windows, Linux, Android, probably iOS too but homie don't Apple. Took every bit of space but I even sideloaded it onto my old Samsung Tizen TV (wouldn't actually recommend, little slow, build an HTPC or just nab an Nvidia Shield).
If you can get by without any/all of that, nothing wrong just browsing directories and playing media with your local player on a single device. In my case I'd need to set up overly complicated network shares and then configure every single device I want to have access. I'd need to change how I organize my libraries, then probably spend a little time writing an ansible playbook (that'd only really be worth it when adding new devices in the future) but... no thanks.
because it is convenient to access the movies from a smartphone or laptop from anywhere in the house without dealing with the headaches of windows file explorer shitting itself upon seeing a folder with 3000 files in it
I did this for a good while but let me tell you, keeping watch progress across devices is a killer feature! I can't go back.
When I used a folder via NFS I had to memorize my current progress on a episode, then manually open the same episode and seek to where I was on the other device.
With Jellyfin I hit pause on one and play on the other, it's seamless.
It also shows in-progress and next-up episodes at the top of the homescreen, so resuming playback is just one click.
Maybe there's a plugin to do this in Kodi, but I find it rather clunky on mobile...
the best nas is the grimiest most disgusting computer you already own, filled to the brim with hard drives and shoved in the basement to slave away at media consumption and file sharing
Mine is literally that, an HP Z600 from 2006. It needs new RAM and probably a processor upgrade, but it's working pretty well for now, so I'll get to it "eventually"
Got ya, thanks for the reply! Ive got 2x8tb for 16tb total and thats worked for me for years. The drives are getting old and I've been worried about the data. Checking out other drives but it would be nice to just..... not deal with hardware. Is there any upload / download rates?
It's definitely cheaper by a lot in the long run just to host at home, and if I could get Gigabit symmetrical internet, I would do that. I really like being able to access my library from anywhere in the world, and I also share it with a handful of friends/family. I could ask them to contribute to the cost, but then I'd feel obligated to support!
114 Comments
Atropos@lemmy.world · 114 pts · 329d
VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 70 pts · 329d
Plex & sex
Emby & embrace
Jellyfin & sin
some_kind_of_guy@lemmy.world · 34 pts · 329d
Stream and cream?
AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world · 69 pts · 329d
You got to learn how to shuck those Western digital drives when they go on sale.
Korhaka@sopuli.xyz · 15 pts · 329d
Shucking drives? What part of JBOD did you not understand. Half of them don't even fit in the case, they are just piled up on top of each other.
Gaja0@lemmy.zip · 5 pts · 329d
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possumparty@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 1 pts · 327d
Roughly how much did you get each drive for? I think it's time I start self hosting but I've got no idea where to start. I travel for work constantly and carrying a few externals isn't a huge deal but it's not ideal either.
AFaithfulNihilist@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 327d
I got these for about $200 each
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 65 pts · 329d
Jellyfin and fuck.
es_eskaliert@feddit.org · 65 pts · 329d
Jellyfin and stick it in
modus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
Plex n coitus
Black616Angel@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 328d
There must be a word that rhymes better with Plex...
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 11 pts · 328d
say gex
modus@lemmy.world · 4 pts · 328d
Nope. Can't think of one.
FundMECFS@anarchist.nexus · 1 pts · 328d
Jellyfin and Sin
gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de · 59 pts · 329d
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 33 pts · 329d
How do people have so much money to buy so much storage?
tja@sh.itjust.works · 89 pts · 329d
They are not paying for all the streaming services
manmachine@lemmy.world · 42 pts · 329d
You can buy this amount each year or pay for Netflix 4k for the same year. HDDs are not that expensive.
bear@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 25 pts · 329d
Like $300? Plenty of foxes can afford that.
SnotFlickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 329d
The Standard Plan for Nextflix is about 216 bucks a year. A new 10gb HDD runs around $200. Less if you look for deals and/or go for refurbished. But a total of 20tb of storage would be equivalent to two years of Netflix without ads if paying for brand new drives and not looking for deals.
Sluyter548@lemmy.world · 25 pts · 329d
10 gb hdd for 200$? Dude I have a bridge to sell you :)
Cenzorrll@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 329d
I have many multiple tb drives to sell them. As many as they want.
OwlPaste@lemmy.world · 10 pts · 329d
i got 18tb drives at ÂŁ190 a few years ago, pretty much all streaming services are about ÂŁ100 each a year.
Longpork3@lemmy.nz · 13 pts · 329d
Trick is to buy used disks. My entire raid pool is cobbled together from large-ish drives that got pulled from commercial servers and sold off on the cheap. Last set i bought was 3x14tb for $400.
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 329d
You donât have to buy it all at once
EldritchFeminity@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 9 pts · 329d
You don't need to buy it all at once.
Long-term planning is a pathway to many powers CEOs would call...unnatural.
RedSnt@feddit.dk · 7 pts · 329d
I made do with a bit over 2 Tb for a bit over 15 years.
But earlier this year I bought two 3 Tb drives, and they're a bit more expensive here in Denmark due to 25% VAT, so it was 648 DKK per drive (or $101 USD / âŹ87 EUR). And I'm on the lowest income you can get here.
So it is possible to upgrade every now and then, and I'm very happy I'm now on 6 Tb storage (+ 2 Tb NVMe main drive, though not for storage).
I imagine if I had a job in IT, I'd be swimming in it, I'd probably have nerded out on a NAS, though even now I don't see what I'd need it for.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 329d
4 x 5 TB internal HDDs costs roughly $500.
Thats roughly a Switch 2 or Steam Deck...
... or about $42 a month, for a year, of maybe what, 2 simultaneous subscription services?
zaphod@sopuli.xyz · 5 pts · 329d
You don't even need to get new drives to begin, just use what you probably already have lying around, old external hard drives. Use a RAID and swap drives as they fail.
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · -2 pts · 329d
Netflix premium (4k) is like $7.35/month. But HDDs are not comparatively cheaper.
saigot@lemmy.ca · 10 pts · 329d
Uh idk where you got that but in the us market 7.99 gets you standard with ads, the 4k tier is 25 dollars a month.
https://help.netflix.com/en/node/24926/us
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 1 pts · 329d
India has cheaper subscriptions. The lowest tier, 480p is 170 INR, which is about 3 USD.
saigot@lemmy.ca · 5 pts · 329d
If you're in india then my understanding is that IPTV is the most cost effective option by a large margin. I"ve never lived there but my family is scattered between Bangladesh and india and they all use IPTVs.
but I guess to answer your original question: regional pricing
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 329d
Is Netflix 4k bitrate of comparable quality to uh, say a ripped bluray?
Does that Netflix sub have ads?
Genuine questions, I don't know.
You could also try to factor in the uh, cost of internet and datacaps and all that.
Could probably save some money in the long run, though thats gonna vary a lot by location and use case and I guess income/wealth situation, household size, all that.
nutbutter@discuss.tchncs.de · 5 pts · 329d
BluRays are obviously better. I was just saying that not subscribing to Netflix is America will save a lot more than not subscribing in India. But the storage cost is very similar.
No, that sub does not have ads. There is, however a mobile only, 480p, subscription too, for less than 3 USD.
CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 329d
Used enterprise drives and a SAS controller. Last batch of SAS drives I bought were 16TB for $115 each.
Unraid (and I think ZFS and Ceph as well) supports adding drives 1-by-1 and different sized drives to your array. You can just buy single drives or spares whenever a sale comes around to keep expanding your storage.
rarsamx@lemmy.ca · -3 pts · 329d
The real question is:
How do people have so much media to fill up those drives?
Followed by: how do people have so much time to watch that media?
Followed by: human driven climate change is real. How can people waste energy just to hoard media that they rarely ever see again?
I understand somehow if you are torrenting and contributing to the sharing ecosystem, but just hoarding?
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 329d
Q1: They have a knowledge of how to use BitTorrent, or Usenet or somesuch, without being caught.
Q2: They don't, the point of a library is having things in case you want or need them, or maybe somebody else does.
Q3: I guarantee you it takes less energy and carbon to set up and operate a relatively small local library than it does to operate a giant realtime global streaming enterprise, by probably multiple orders of magnitude.
Fuck, I could do this with a SteamDeck, external drives or something, and run it all on a home solar power / battery system you can get off the shelf.
Have you ever seen, like physically seen, a massive datacenter the size of an auto manufacturing planr, a high rise building that is 50% server racks by floor?
Just how many racks there, how much water and energy is used?
Also: You're arguing here that feeding evil megacorps is somehow better for the environment, than starving them?
Really?
rarsamx@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 329d
No, I'm trying to understand why someone would store so many pictures. 20TB is enough for 330 4K movies or 10,000 1080P movies.
"Just in case I need it" is the principle of hoarding.
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 5 pts · 329d
If you are saying 330 movies is 'hoarding', I don't know what to tell you.
When I grew up in the 90s, we had almost 50 VHS movies.
Wealthier friends of mine had up to or over 100 or 200.
Now what took a large shelfing unit or cabinet... fits into about the size of a brick.
Also... you are missing that digital data can be essentially instantly copied, duplicated, and shared with others.
You are also entirely discounting the idea that infrastructure could collapse, you are assuming that using it as we do now, will remain as relatively inexpensive as it is now, forever.
I am not so optimistic.
From that standpoint, it is less hoarding, as it is archiving.
colin@lemmy.uninsane.org · 5 pts · 328d
a large media library achieves a similar thing a subscription to on-demand streaming achieves: pick a film to watch, and you can immediately press play. there's also a curation aspect. whenever one friend speaks highly of a film, i grab it. then once i have a larger group of friends over for movie night, we just peruse the library until we find something everyone's in the right mood for. whatever we select from that library, i can be confident it'll be received well: it's already been vetted.
i mean it's not that different from the original value proposition for Netflix, only it survives even after they turn off the money faucet.
CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 2 pts · 329d
I don't think there's a c/datahoarder. But that was exactly what the reddit community was called.
The person you're arguing with is likely running a private 'netflix' instance using Jellyfin or Plex. It's not my cuppa, but I think I have every episode of every season of Below Deck, Love Island, and Bachelor/Bachelorette on my instance.
You start running out of space pretty quickly when a dozen people are using it for their daily media consumption.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 0 pts · 328d
composite video waveforms are about a treabyte per vhs tape, I don't think Jellyfin supports playing them but thats an extremely "normal" amount of video content for everyone to have created
procapra@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 329d
On my own, I can somewhat regularly use 1tb of internet data in a month and I'm not even a data horder. I always keep a tv on in the background (which these days usually means streaming stuff). I also stream music pretty frequently.
Its not at all unrealistic these days for someone over the course of 2+ years to get 20tb of data all in one place. And if thats media that gets accessed frequently (like music) it probably saves bandwidth and energy storing it that way.
rarsamx@lemmy.ca · 1 pts · 329d
Music we listen to many times but it barely uses any space for today's standards.
Streaming TV is always something different, so, no point in storing it.
And movies? There may be a few favourites we watch again and even if they were 4K wouldn't use that much space. 20TB is space enough for 330 4K 2 hour movies! Or 10,000 1080P movies. Let's say that your job is to watch movies 8 hours a day. That's 4 movies per day, that's 500 weeks to watch 10,000 movies. Or 10 years (if you take a two week vacation every year). And that's without repeating.
Let's say you have 100 favourite movies that you like to watch on demand on 4 K (really an exaggeration) you only need 6 TB.
Si, my question stands.
procapra@lemmy.ml · 4 pts · 329d
It depends on the quality you're looking for. Data hoarders often keep really really high quality files so they can convert it into whatever they want later on.
A 4k remux can range from ~30gb-80gb. That's ~200 4k movies assuming most are around 50gb.
A 48khz .flac music album is ~500mb. That's not alot but music makes sense to save locally, plenty of people just keep their music going all the time on shuffle.
Also
There is no point not storing it, you're going to use the data either way, why not keep it? At the end of the day, you can get 20tb of storage for a reasonable amount of money, and typically the people with that kinda storage have accumulated it over the course of several years. You can always decide to get rid of stuff you don't need if you find yourself low on space.
rivvvver@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 28 pts · 329d
those are rookie numbers
ragebutt@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 25 pts · 329d
Gotta start somewhere
My nas started with a pile of old 2-8tb drives I had amassed through the years from fixing computers and upgrading storage of various things. Back then 20tb was crazy. Now I have a nas where a single drive is 18tb and the full array is over 200tb.
I highly encourage anyone to build with whatever you can. Get off streaming, save your money. You can run this shit on a raspberry pi with a 4tb hard drive for under $100, probably way less with a refurb drive and a used pi. Or buy an old ewaste pc for $1-200 and stuff it with drives.
it doesnât need to be a workhorse unless you want to create some monster Jellyfin server that can transcode 8+ uhd remux streams concurrently (and even then it doesnât have to be that crazy, 10th gen intel igpu will handle a lot). But if you genuinely need that many streams youâll probably need a gpu so make sure you get something with a pcie slot of appropriate bandwidth (x16 most likely)
Additionally if you truly want to stuff it full of drives def make sure it has pcie x16 so you can add hba card. Most mobos (especially office pcs and stuff like old dells and thinkcenters) come with like 2-4 sata ports max. Lsi 9300-8i or 16i will add 8 or 16 sata lanes for like $30-50 bucks (though beware of the many counterfeits) and youâll either have to move to a new case ($) or fashion some kind of external drive bay (sff cables running out of host of to whatever drive bay)
cupcakezealot@piefed.blahaj.zone · 24 pts · 329d
setting up a small jellyfin server for my family instead of getting 32402398423948 subs to shitty streaming companies was the best thing i did
Burghler@sh.itjust.works · 11 pts · 329d
Just don't talk about the part where we spend ~$1000 on acquiring 20TB of HDD
atoro@lemmy.ml · 10 pts · 329d
24TB Seagate drives are on sale for 249 right now, actually a good time to stock up
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 328d
refurbished drives are great for storing easily replaceable data
Endymion_Mallorn@kbin.melroy.org · 24 pts · 329d
Okay, I want to see your RAID.
drosophila@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 12 pts · 329d
Nowadays that could just be an external drive bay with a few HDDs + ZFS.
Or if you just want to rawdog it with no redundancy they make single hard drives with 20 TB capacity now.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 4 pts · 329d
Yeah, I had two 10s but replaced one of them with a 20.
I need to get a proper setup.
CubitOom@infosec.pub · 4 pts · 329d
This is what I do, 2 different speced 20 TB drives. One NAS speced drive that's actually installed in the PC, and one budget drive that's in an external enclosure and is periodically used for back up. No need to be fancy.
mushroomman_toad@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 329d
I'm using ceph with 100tb of drives and 30tb of nvme, but it's a bit overkill.
BakedCatboy@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 329d
I do a 6 drive synology btrfs with double redundancy with WD ultrastar 14TB for about 50TB storage after accounting for all overhead.
SaharaMaleikuhm@feddit.org · 20 pts · 328d
And that Linus Torvalds poster? I'd be on my knees in an instant. To propose of course.
quantenzitrone@lemmings.world · 13 pts · 328d
yeah to propose
thats what i would be on my knees for too
Killercat103@slrpnk.net · 20 pts · 329d
Love the potrait of Linus Torvalds behind Xenia
wintervoid@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 14 pts · 328d
I LOVE SELF HOSTING
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 13 pts · 329d
How's the barrier to entry for Jellyfin? I just got done investing in Plex when they started changing their payment model
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 13 pts · 329d
Harder than plex to set up, but not difficult.
If you want to watch outside the network then youâll need to port forward.
three@lemmy.zip · 9 pts · 329d
So if you want to watch outside you're home network, the solution is to blow a hole through your firewall and just raw dog the internet through it? Air out your delicious little jelly hole for the world to see?
I wonder how we teach the kids about VPNs? Clearly their favorite brainrot youchubers/twitchies/tiktogglers nordvpn ads aren't getting through........
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 9 pts · 329d
You really shouldnât port forward Jellyfin. Hell, you really shouldnât port forward anything. A domain is like a dollar per month. Use a reverse proxy with some sort of login gate like Authentik or Authelia.
ILikeBoobies@lemmy.ca · 2 pts · 329d
If youâre only using it for yourself then there are a lot worse things that people do (like downloading apps for websites, using untrusted VPNs, or even just using the web)
Reverse proxy is more advanced and I think someone who needs it wouldnât be worried about ease of use.
VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 2 pts · 329d
Just use a tunneling service like tailscale. Easy as fug to set up, and only people who know your credentials can poke about in your server.
If you remember to disconnect machines other than the server from the VPN when not using them and don't share out the server too much, you don't even have to spend money.
Stez827@sh.itjust.works · 3 pts · 329d
You don't even need to remember to disconnect machines you can have a 100 different clients(is that the right word?) on a tailnet. Honestly it's so sick and amazing it's free
VinesNFluff@pawb.social · 1 pts · 329d
afaik (and I might be super wrong) you can have up to 100 machines IN the network, but only 3 connected at any given time in the free plan.
But yes, it's sick and amazing either way.
mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 329d
Nope, free allows for up to 3 users and 100 connected devices. And if you run it on your router, the entire network only counts as one device. So for instance, you and two of your friends could all join the same tailnet. Their business model is basically the same as WinRARâs; give it to individual users for free, to get people on board. Then charge corporations to use it at scale, since the individual users already know how to use it.
The only reason I donât personally use it is because my work WiFi blocks outgoing WireGuard connections. And thatâs Tailscaleâs biggest weakness in my experience; They tout themselves as a zero-config VPN, but that means youâre not able to config things if you need to. If I were able to flip over to OpenVPN or IKEv2/IPSec instead of WireGuard, Iâd be fine. But Tailscale doesnât have the ability to do that, because it would require configuration.
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 3 pts · 329d
Or reverse proxy, but that's a bit more complex
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 8 pts · 329d
sad_detective_man@sopuli.xyz · 3 pts · 329d
Is there a time investment for scanning and importing my library? That's where Plex got me, so much stuff to sort and edit metadata after getting started
Cevilia@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 6 pts · 329d
Markus29@feddit.nl · 8 pts · 329d
Dockstarter with jellyfin + sonarr + radarr + qbittorrent + swag is your friend. I actually found jellyfin easier to setup. Don't have to worry to much that streams are getting transcoded. Setting swag up was some effort though.
seadoo@lemmy.world · 5 pts · 329d
I just use jellyfin, what is all of the rest of those things for?
CoopaLoopa@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 10 pts · 329d
All of the *arr apps are for automatic media downloading and organization.
You want all the new seasons of a show? Just mark that as a 'monitored' show in sonarr. When new episodes are released, sonarr uses your torrent indexer to get the torrent or magnet link and sends that to your torrent downloader. Once the download completes, it renames the file with metadata and puts it into the spot where jellyfin/plex is expecting the file to be.
It's an automation stack for media piracy.
SpaceInvaderOne has a bunch of tutorials on how to set things up if you want to dive into the full self-hosting ocean.
seadoo@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Very cool, thanks for the explanation!
Maybe this is just me but using a torrent through a CLI is something I have not explored at all, I just transfer files back and forth. Seems very useful
millie@slrpnk.net · 12 pts · 329d
What exactly is the point of a Jellyfin server? Wouldn't it be easier to just like, open the files? Why would that require a server?
glinncor@lemmy.world · 40 pts · 329d
You get a cute little user interface to browse through your movies and shows with little posters and information. You also don't have to use a flash drive and move stuff over if you want to watch from your PlayStation or other device. just a browser is enough.
Bombastion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 22 pts · 329d
In addition to the UI others have mentioned, I host mine behind a VPN so all my friends can use it over the Internet, too. It gets a decent amount of traffic every week.
Echolynx@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 328d
How did you get started with hosting your setup?
Bombastion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 2 pts · 328d
Mostly, I've been fed up with music streaming platforms recently, and found that Jellyfin also supports my other media cases. I started with Navidrome, but had a computer running Mint already, so I just ran both side-by-side and find I liked Jellyfin better. They both took like 15 minutes to set up; getting my local VPN running and convincing people to use it was by far the hardest part of the setup.
That all said, I'm a software engineer in my day job, so I had a pretty good idea about how to navigate everything.
all4one@lemmy.zip · 1 pts · 328d
Are you just giving them a shared login or do you set them all up individually?
CriticalMiss@lemmy.world · 6 pts · 328d
Not OP, but each friend gets a different login so that their watch stats donât get convoluted (Jellyfin does this thing where it allows you to pick up where you left off)
Bombastion@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 3 pts · 328d
All individual logins. It just requires making an account through the UI, which is pretty quick.
basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 13 pts · 329d
If I can just add to what @glinncor@lemmy.world said:
I personally have one so that I don't have to mess around with plugging in any hdmi cables and moving my laptop from where it's docked, I can flick on the server and then it can just be accessed on any tv in the house by anyone.
derry@midwest.social · 9 pts · 329d
This is the way. And you can watch from anywhere in the world if you set things up with a VPN.
__hetz@sh.itjust.works · 12 pts · 328d
Neat, navigable UI. Pulls posters, metadata, etc. Can generate "trickplay" images so you've thumbnails when scrolling the progress bar. You can sync playback across connected clients (I mostly use that feature for multi-room music playback). Restrictions by account and/or tags so the little ones don't end up watching Ichi the Killer, SalĂł, your complete Cronenberg collection, or that library you created populated by a script routinely checking the e621 API for the latest animation uploads.
Runs in browser and on clients for Windows, Linux, Android, probably iOS too but homie don't Apple. Took every bit of space but I even sideloaded it onto my old Samsung Tizen TV (wouldn't actually recommend, little slow, build an HTPC or just nab an Nvidia Shield).
If you can get by without any/all of that, nothing wrong just browsing directories and playing media with your local player on a single device. In my case I'd need to set up overly complicated network shares and then configure every single device I want to have access. I'd need to change how I organize my libraries, then probably spend a little time writing an ansible playbook (that'd only really be worth it when adding new devices in the future) but... no thanks.
sommerset@thelemmy.club · 7 pts · 329d
So one can watch from a phone, tablet, TV etc.
jumping_redditor@sh.itjust.works · 4 pts · 328d
because it is convenient to access the movies from a smartphone or laptop from anywhere in the house without dealing with the headaches of windows file explorer shitting itself upon seeing a folder with 3000 files in it
LiveLM@lemmy.zip · 3 pts · 327d
I did this for a good while but let me tell you, keeping watch progress across devices is a killer feature! I can't go back.
When I used a folder via NFS I had to memorize my current progress on a episode, then manually open the same episode and seek to where I was on the other device.
With Jellyfin I hit pause on one and play on the other, it's seamless.
It also shows in-progress and next-up episodes at the top of the homescreen, so resuming playback is just one click.
Maybe there's a plugin to do this in Kodi, but I find it rather clunky on mobile...
JackbyDev@programming.dev · 11 pts · 329d
I didn't hear no chill though.
white_nrdy@programming.dev · 27 pts · 329d
"Jellyfin and put it in"
wolfeh@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 329d
I'll show you how hard my drives are.
thatKamGuy@sh.itjust.works · 7 pts · 329d
My QNAP NAS is rapidly approaching 20 years old, I just dump media onto it and then use Infuse as the front end on my Apple TVs.
It does the trick for the time being, but I do want to spin up a HexOS system with a set of 3x16TB drives to eventually replace it.
goodboyjojo@lemmy.world · 7 pts · 329d
Self-hosting is pretty cool. I want to buy a nas
Nikki@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 10 pts · 329d
the best nas is the grimiest most disgusting computer you already own, filled to the brim with hard drives and shoved in the basement to slave away at media consumption and file sharing
swab148@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 4 pts · 329d
Mine is literally that, an HP Z600 from 2006. It needs new RAM and probably a processor upgrade, but it's working pretty well for now, so I'll get to it "eventually"
sp3ctr4l@lemmy.dbzer0.com · 6 pts · 329d
I actually did this 3 years ago... and it also legitimately worked.
Yeah I got sick of Plex before it was cool, lol.
Granted, only 15 of the 20 TB was for movies... gotta have some space for a miniature personal archive of selected written works, as well as music.
You know, for the uh... playlist.
Ahem.
NihilsineNefas@slrpnk.net · 5 pts · 328d
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pringus@lemmy.blahaj.zone · 4 pts · 328d
fuck yeah
padraig@caint.ie · 3 pts · 329d
basiclemmon98@lemmy.dbzer0.com Ah shit. Not again. I hate it when this happens!
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 329d
Mines "in the cloud" and my 20TB storage box is almost full đ
tux7350@lemmy.world · 3 pts · 329d
Hmm curious, what's the cost for something like that? Do you also encrypt / employ any security for the data?
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 2 pts · 329d
My total cost for the VPS that runs my stack, plus the Hetzner storage box is around $50 USD/mo.
I have the storage box mounted as an encrypted volume using rclone.
tux7350@lemmy.world · 2 pts · 329d
Got ya, thanks for the reply! Ive got 2x8tb for 16tb total and thats worked for me for years. The drives are getting old and I've been worried about the data. Checking out other drives but it would be nice to just..... not deal with hardware. Is there any upload / download rates?
electric_nan@lemmy.ml · 3 pts · 329d
It's definitely cheaper by a lot in the long run just to host at home, and if I could get Gigabit symmetrical internet, I would do that. I really like being able to access my library from anywhere in the world, and I also share it with a handful of friends/family. I could ask them to contribute to the cost, but then I'd feel obligated to support!
I've never hit any rate limits if there are any.
ArmchairAce1944@discuss.online · 2 pts · 329d
As all should have
jlow@discuss.tchncs.de · 2 pts · 329d
O woe us, what are we gonna do!
morphballganon@lemmy.world · 1 pts · 329d
No ads?
Hot.
knightly@pawb.social · 1 pts · 329d
Don't call me out like this. XD
DeathByBigSad@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 329d
Idk what that is. Just yaRrr, watch, then delete.
How many harddrive do y'all have? Too much file management break my brain.
kruhmaster@sh.itjust.works · 1 pts · 329d
Creepy